Can I suffer serious, health threatenning condition if I do liver flush?
Can I experience stone stuck following liver flush?
Can I suffere Pancreatitis caused by stone stuck following liver flush?
Can I suffer blocked duct and jaundice if I do liver flush?
Answers:
Yes.
We can estimate, based on stories reprted on CureZone.com, that one out of 10,000 people doing Liver Flush will endup with one or several of the prblems:
- Stone stuck in bile ductcs following liver flush
- Pancreatitis - Caused by blocked common bile duct
- Jaundice, Yellow skin and eyes;
It is also estimated that over 70% of those people can solve the problem by repeating the flush immediately.
Other may need to visit doctor, may need ERCP, surgery or some other invasive procedure.
The stories of people who suffered after doing liver flush are copied in reply to this message.
Pancreatitis
Pancreatitis is an inflammation of the pancreas. The pancreas is a large gland behind the stomach and close to the duodenum. The duodenum is the upper part of the small intestine. The pancreas secretes digestive enzymes into the small intestine through a tube called the pancreatic duct. These enzymes help digest fats, proteins, and carbohydrates in food. The pancreas also releases the hormones insulin and glucagon into the bloodstream. These hormones help the body use the glucose it takes from food for energy.
Normally, digestive enzymes do not become active until they reach the small intestine, where they begin digesting food. But if these enzymes become active inside the pancreas, they start "digesting" the pancreas itself.
Acute pancreatitis occurs suddenly and lasts for a short period of time and usually resolves.
Chronic pancreatitis does not resolve itself and results in a slow destruction of the pancreas. Either form can cause serious complications. In severe cases, bleeding, tissue damage, and infection may occur. Pseudocysts, accumulations of fluid and tissue debris, may also develop. And enzymes and toxins may enter the bloodstream, injuring the heart, lungs, and kidneys, or other organs.
Acute Pancreatitis
Some people have more than one attack and recover completely after each, but acute pancreatitis can be a severe, life-threatening illness with many complications. About 80,000 cases occur in the United States each year; some 20 percent of them are severe. Acute pancreatitis occurs more often in men than women.
Acute pancreatitis is usually caused by Gallstones or by drinking too much alcohol
Chronic Pancreatitis
If injury to the pancreas continues, chronic pancreatitis may develop. Chronic pancreatitis occurs when digestive enzymes attack and destroy the pancreas and nearby tissues, causing scarring and pain. The usual cause of chronic pancreatitis is many years of alcohol abuse, but the chronic form may also be triggered by only one acute attack, especially if the pancreatic ducts are damaged. The damaged ducts cause the pancreas to become inflamed, tissue to be destroyed, and scar tissue to develop.
Jaundice
Jaundice is a condition produced when excess amounts of bilirubin circulating in the blood stream dissolve in the fat (the layer of fat just beneath the skin), causing a yellowish appearance of the skin and the whites of the eyes.
With the exception of physiologic jaundice in the newborn (normal newborn jaundice in the first week of life), all other jaundice indicates overload or damage to the liver, or inability to move bilirubin from the liver through the biliary tract to the gut.
JAUNDICE IN AN INFANT, CHILD, OR ADULT SHOULD ALWAYS BE MEDICALLY EVALUATED.
Newborn jaundice is common and unless associated with an abnormal condition will clear without treatment. Another condition called Gilbert's syndrome is a hereditary condition in which mild jaundice develops during times of stress. This condition, once recognized, requires no further treatment or evaluation. There are also other more rare hereditary causes of elevated bilirubin levels. All other jaundice is the result of an underlying disease, condition, or toxicity.
A yellow-to-orange color may be imparted to the skin by excessive intake of beta carotene, the orange pigment seen in carrots. People who consume large quantities of carrots or carrot juice or take beta carotene tablets may develop a distinctly yellow-orange cast to their skin. This condition is called hypercarotenemia or just carotenemia. Hypercarotenemia is easily distinguished from jaundice in that the whites of the eye (sclera) remain white, while people with true jaundice have a yellow sclera.
Hi everyone:) The other night I was suffering from insomnia yet again and spent half the night off and on here. It turns out just as well as my daughter came downstairs with a fever and a lot of pain in her kidney and gallbladder area.
Apparently she had been having pain and shaking since her flush on the weekend but was telling me she was fine because she knew I would tell her she needed to flush again. I had been repeatedly asking her how she felt and did she have any pain and checking on her well being through out the first flush and the recovery period. She told me later that she wishes she had told the truth.
Well we went on and did a flush right then though it was 4 in the morning. As soon as the Epsom Salts started working she had pain relief. By 6 hours after taking the oil she was fine and felt great later that same day. It's the following day of her second flush and she is up and about as normal. Feels great, passed lots and lots of stones, and has her full appetite back though not able to handle greasy foods yet.
Make sure if any of you have someone in your household that might be of the nature to hide thier problems that you keep checking with them to see if they are alright. If I hadn't made such a fuss about it she might never have come to me and wound up in the hospital.
Thank goodness for this site as I wouldn't have known what to do if I had only had Dr. Hulda's book.
Would someone please list all the symptoms of a stuck stone? I want to print it up so that I can give it to my kids and the info is coming from someone else and not from mom.
Hi all - I really can't see how a 16 year-old would have stones, or why you'd want to do a flush. And, Epsom Salts don't alleviate anything - they basically cause you intestines to purge themselves.
I had a high liver test functions, and did the flush... you know where I'm at now? Had a lower AB ultrasound, endoscopy, and now waiting for a CT and liver biopsy because my liver functions are double after I did the flush.
There is no way a 16 year old is passing stones - when did my flush, the same thing everyone here is calling 'stones' are just little balls of turd. The epsom flushes your intestines - and in the final stages you're just seeing small bits of crap. Mine looked just like the 'stones' in the pictues, and after close analysis, they were just poop.
What this forum needs is some Science - I'm sure there is something good in here - but there's just too many people confusing this.
Sounds like either you disolved the stones and didn't have them very bad or you just need to do another one. I agree to a point that Science should work with herbal and holistic medicine, but don't down play someone that had a great experience and got results when you didn't.
Sounds like you're disappointed that you didn't achieve the same results.
I'm actually glad to hear this worked so well. I've had many friends that have had their Gall Bladder removed with the same exact symptoms Friday and I think you did the right thing. If she didn't have gall stones, then I guess "SCIENCE" screwed up with my friends and removed a healthy gall bladder for no reason.
Hi Folks: It's with some difficulty that I am writing this, however, I believe that it's important that anyone entering into flushes be educated and make the best decision for themselves. I expect some flack coming from some members, but I am hoping that these individuals understand and respect that everyone has the right to communicate and all individuals have a right to see another view and be educated when making any decisions.
Using the Clark procedure and the curezone information, I proceeded to conduct my flush. As many will see from my postings, it was successful and perfect to the "t". However, I also discovered the possible consequences of the flush. I know that all over this website it has stated that no-one has been hopitalized, etc. However, I wonder if individuals who did try the flush and ended up in the hospital did not report it. I did end-up in the hospital and I am reporting it to ensure that anyone who decides to try the flush understands that there could be complications to flushing.
After my flush, the next day I experienced vomiting and chills. The following day, I went to see the doctor and was diagnosed with jaundice. I was rushed to emergency and released from the hospital 9 days later. For one full week I was living on an IV. I had to have an ECPT surgery to remove the Gallstones that blocked the movement of bile from the liver causing jaundice, and I also developed pancreatitis. Anytime there is a blockage of gallstones in the main bile duct, it is very dangerous and can be fatal. To take this one step further, the ducts in the area also connect to the pancreas and intestine. If there are any blockages in this area, again, it can be fatal. I was very lucky to have 3 surgeons overseeing my recovery, but it was very very dangerous and I could have lost my life.
I have a very strong and clear message. Please be educated when you make the decision to flush. I'm not telling people not to flush. However, I am telling people to make sure you fully understand what flushing can mean. Speak to your doctor and also learn more about consequences of possible blockages (http://www.medicinenet.com/Gallstones/article.htm). If you choose to flush and become ill, please go to the nearest emergency department at your local hospital immediately and fully explain to them what happened. Also, if you think it costs money to get your gallbladder out, think about how much it costs to stay at a hospital while they're trying to save your life. Remember, it's not about money; it's about your life and making the most educated and best decision for your life. If you're wondering....I still have my gallbladder.
I actually am afraid of doing a "liver flush". I suffer from rosacea & I found out at the Acne Rosacea Forum that "liver flush" is the best cure for acne & it could even cure a lot of ailments.
But, as a medical student myself, I was wondering how this "liver flush" really works. Liver is a very very vital organ! You're right, the gallbladder's & the pancreas' ducts are really narrow, and obstructions can really be fatal.
However, I found a simple recipe of this "liver flush". It's a 7-day program wherein all you do is drink apple juice, grapefruit or lemon, and virgin olive oil. And I thought: That don't seem to be harmful. I'm planning to try this "liver flush" soon, but I've read your post, and makes me think again.
People who get good results must be lucky and thankful! However, "liver flush" is still quite dangerous...
It's good to hear you're alright now, and thanks again! You might have saved my life! :)
Thank you Trinkles. I hope that you have a better experience than I did. As a medical student, I think you're more educated with the sciences and will have greater understanding and exposure to what works and what the consequences are. Hats off to you for checking out more holistic methodologies. Since my last posting, I had another attack (approximately 5 days after I got out of the hospital) and I got jaundiced again. This time, we made the decision to take out the gallbladder (emergency situation...they found more stones caught in the bile duct...they didn't want the jaundice to continue and the threat of pancreatitis to linger). When they took out the gallbladder, it was so jammed packed with stones, that they had to make the incision a little larger to drag the sack out. As the surgeon stated, "it was packed like marbles, there was no way any bile could have been stored in it." It has been 6 months since my 3 procedures (2 ERCP's and the removal) and I'm feeling OUTSTANDING. I feel better than I have in YEARS!!! More energy and I look at least 10 years younger. I should have had the damn thing out earlier.
I spoke with several naturopaths and chiropractors and based on what I told them about the condition of my gallbladder, they agreed that the surgeons and specialists did the right thing. The gallbladder was too far gone that I would have ended up with pancreatis and jaundice for the rest of my life. Remember...jaundice is toxic to the body...it's poisoning of the blood. Since the procedures, I have lost 20 pounds, I look great and feel even better (ie. regular bowl movements and more energy). I DO NOT account the improvements due surgery, but I do account the surgery to MAKING ME change my lifestyle. I do need to be careful of what I eat because I have to make sure I digest everything properly, and I also watch my intake of fatty foods. It's very rare to see me eat french fries, chips or any other deep fried foods. I KNOW I did the right thing by getting my gallbladder out and I KNOW that my doctors took excellent care of me. Just remember, for every bad story you hear, there are also many many successful and happy stories out there. People have a tendency to complain about all the bad things and don't really take the time to talk about the really good things. Anyways, I wish everyone luck with their gallbladders....I don't have a thing to worry about anymore!!!!!! I'm happier than a pig in @#$%.
I read some of the other postings, especially the ones from Spirit and I think it's important to remember that stones can get caught in the bile duct with or without the flush. Scaring people with stats (from what recognized medical journal?) and also playing doctor is not a good thing. Modern medicine was developed for a reason, because the older/traditional remedies weren't effective enough or couldn't cure...therefore people were in constant pain or died earlier than they should have. If you're in pain or if you're jaundiced (one easy way to know is via your urine...it turns a little rusty in colour), go to the nearest emergency department. If you have a fever, chills, are throwing up or just feeling sick, GO TO THE HOSPITAL. If it's nothing, they'll send you home, but if it's serious, they'll make sure that you're taken care of. Don't play doctor, unless you're a real licensed medical physician. Just remember, if you would go to the hospital for a broken finger or stitches, why wouldn't go to the hospital for internal pain inside your body? Which is more serious? You don't need a PHD to answer this question.
Best of luck to everyone. I DON'T HAVE MY GALLBLADDER ANYMORE, and I'm damn happy!!! I have absolutely NO regrets.
I think one has to understand the severity of a condition and the best way to correct it at each stage. It seems that your gallbladder was in very serious condition and only surgery could help.
It is wise to understand that every part of our body is important. The gallbladder concentrates bile to one tenth of it's original volume to enable digestive processes further down the line. Without this, you will now have to take very great care with your digestion for the rest of your life so you will not have more problems. I think I would try less drastic measures first, to retain my gallbladder. Perhaps a dissolving and softening protocol might have helped before trying a flush. Unfortunately we often discover these things as hindsite.
It may be worthwhile to keep in mind that stones can also form in the liver. Many people without gallbladders have passed hundreds of stones. It may be a more sobering experience to have to part with a liver.
Because I have had many serious health issues, I have struggled to find the answers too and tried many things as well. I used the Hulda Clark Liver Cleanse and eliminated about 1000 gallstones, most in my first cleanse. I have done about 30 liver cleanses since and am only getting to the point where my liver is clear. In addition to this I have done parasite, kidney and bowel cleanse (mucoid plaque removal). Gallstones, kidney stones and mucoid plaque removeal are obvious signs of house housecleaning and are very beneficial for the body. Less obvious and more difficult to deal with are the toxins and heavy metals lodged in the tissues throughout the body. Once the body is cleared and has the resources to remove the tissue toxins a person can become very fatigued and the immune system seriously depressed if these toxins are not removed. Dr. Max Gerson during his treatment of critically people determined that coffee enemas stimulate the liver to aid in the removeal of the toxins while chemicals in the coffee carry it through the digestive tract. Without the coffee the toxins would continue to recirculate in the body causing major problems. The information is compiled most completely by his daughter Charlotte Gerson in 'The Gerson Therapy'.
I know this is an old message here, but this statement:
"Modern medicine was developed for a reason, because the older/traditional remedies weren't effective enough or couldn't cure...therefore people were in constant pain or died earlier than they should have."
is absolutely, positively FALSE. The only reason we use the ALLOPATHIC method is because the Rockafellers supported the research. It was purely political. Homeopathy was the leading source of medical treatment until the Rockafellers got involved. Then the Allopathic believers and supporters, got the government to certify ONLY their Schools and later made rules that if an Allopathic trained doctor used any other method of treatment (like natural, homeopathy or ANYTHING else) they they would lose their license to practice medicine. SOOOOO The ONLY REASON WE USE THE TYPE OF MEDICAL PRACTICE THAT WE USE TODAY IS POLITICAL!!! NOT because it was better, but because of money and power.
Many, many, many well researched books have been written about this. Please educate yourself before you make such statements.
Hi I know this is old but you said you look 10 yrs younger after surgery, what did you notice as a difference, I have problems with mine and I feel like I look 10 years older my eyes are kinda puffy on upper area etc. just wondering if it has anything to do with gallbaldder. Thanks
I understand you had a problem; however, I have many reasons I would not go to the doctor. Charlotte Gerson is famous for saying the most dangerous people are doctors, and the second most dangerous people are dentists.
For example, the Gerson therapy (developed, and applied by medical doctors) sucessfully treats pancreatic cancer. Unfortunately the Gerson Therapy has not yet worked for any patient with pancreatic cancer after chemo.
I have a patient I am following up with pancreatic cancer. This patient was pre-treated with chemotherapy, and now has a damage immune system and his prospects are very bad.
Also what does medicine cure? People with high cholestorol today, have it tomorrow, next year, and forever.
Patients with appendecitis get their appendix removed. Others get their tonsils removed. What is it they are curing?
You got your Gallbladder removed.
People with diabetes always have diabetes under conventional treatment. Interestingly, I have seen cases of patients with diabetes who have had it go away is as short as 3 weeks.
I will agree that a person needs someone who really understands natural treatments. Perhap if you were working with an experience practitioner, he might have directed you to do a gentle 21 day gallbladder flush, before trying a 7 day strong flush. Possibly the practitioner could have directed with a remedy that would have saved you from the 9 days in the hospital, and also from the gallblader removal.
I understand where Charlotee Gerson is coming from.
For what it is worth I feel this site has saved my GB. I came here two years ago when I was having serious GB pain. I was scheduled for surgery and cancelled it. The doctor told me what I was doing was life threatening. I have not had one problem until last week. It has been 6 months since my last flush. I was doing them every other month and getting stones out. I was just too busy to flush.
Last week I had another attack. I was out of town. I rushed to the nearest store and got my epson salt and olive oil and went to work.
I drank 4 ounces of the oil right away to relieve the pain. It did. Then I started the epson routine etc. More stones and big ones.
Pain gone. Stones gone. GB still with me and doing well. The head of gastro a friend of mine said what I am doing is excellent. If and when it does not work then maybe we will have to take the GB out. Until then keep flushing. It is painless just a little distastful.
Good Luck..
In case of any unpleasant symptoms that you may encounter during or after the flush, the best what has been reported is to do another flush immediately.
In case of pancreatitis caused by a stone blocking common bile duct, another flush could push that stone out, and there is no pancreatitis, and no need for surgery.
Beware that symptoms and problems can only appear if you have large stones inside your biliary tree, and most people who has stones of that size are symptomatic.
So, if you are symptomatic, your chances of encountering any problems during the flush are higher, then in case of people who have no pain symptoms.
Be also aware that less then one out of 5000 people reported any serious symptoms ... so ... you have to see the problem from both sides ...
Number of people encountering problems with surgery is hundreds time higher ...
Number of people dying from cancer is hundreds time higher ...
Number of people dying from heart attack is hundreds time higher ...
But, all this is just rambling based on statistics ... and considering that you are not a statistic, you are somebody, statistics can only help you by giving you some idea what may happen ... statistics can never tell you what will happen.
I am 35 and I recently had a ct scan for pain in the abdomen. Nothing appeared abnormal. My blood test prior had shown a very slight elevation in the liver, 40 normal, mine was 41. I am tired of the mild/med. pain in my mid/right section and worried. My doctor said that my elevation (41) could be due to excercise (about an hour and a half a day)
I also drink wine, most days with dinner or after.
Anyone who has experienced similar, do you think a flush is the way to go?
Where do I get all of these products needed? Any health store?
Also, I think I will let my doctor know before I decide.
CT being based on Xray may not show stones at all.
>I also drink wine, most days with dinner or after.
Me Too!
>Anyone who has experienced similar, do you think a flush is the way to go?
Yup, I was up one point. Later it went up +15 points. An ultrasound showed stones. Thank GOD I found this flush a few days before surgery, had great results, and cancelled it - only to get crap from the surgeon. Read my other posts!
>Where do I get all of these products needed? Any health store?
ES, GF, OO, almost any supermarket will do. Many use organic stuff, that may take a health food market.
>Also, I think I will let my doctor know before I decide.
Some folks docs have said it won't hurt. www.askwaltstollmd.com or something like that Walt Stoll endorses more or less the Hulda Clark method used here.
Thankyou for your message. I am sitting here thinking I am dying a slow death - liver failure.
I am really ready to try this, but the parasite cleanse and zapping is sort of overwhelming me. I also don't know where to get a Zapper and what the best product is, if I were to buy one.
Also I have 2 kids and 2 pug dogs, it overwhelms me that the recommendation is to parasite and zap them too!
I still need to get the book, but I would like to flush as soon as I can. Any thoughts out there?
p.s. It is hard enough to keep up with cleaning the house!
My wife has Gallstones and she also has cancer. We did a parasite cleanse for a few weeks but not the kidney cleanse. I have a couple of questions. I too am very skeptical, not about the Liver Flush but my confidence in helping my wife through this flush as she has encountered a number of side effects through the many years of cancer from allopathic medicine. So, I just don't want her to go through any more discomfort.
My question is this, how do I get over this fear that I have?
And, you mentioned if there is some pain or discomfort to do another cleanse right away. Am confused as to what ingredients of the cleanse would I do for her? The Dr. Clark liver flush has progressions of the flush with various ingredients, Epsom Salts , olive oil, etc. What in your opinion, would you use to do a flush immediately if the person, my wife, felt pain?
Would you also mind sending your reply to my e-mail address?
fitecancer@earthlink.net
I want to bring to your notice that the liver problem that Jaundice causes is now treated and if you are interested in it you can just send an email to Mr. James at concisecorp@yahoo.co.uk and if you are in doubt just request that he send a sample for you to know if it really works.
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