I have 8 Amalgam fillings that need to be replaced with "non-toxic" alternatives. 6 normal sized ones on bottom molars, two small ones on upper molars.
I have been doing extensive research for about 4 months and have read the recommended materials...plus. Anyway, to get to the point I need some advice about on the following matters. I simply can't find the answers on my own.
I went to a consultation as they like to call it. Paid money for it. Went fine. Dentist recommends a material called Herculite XRV. Now I have been reading a lot of past posts here and people say I had mercury ones replaced by "the white one" or "metal-free ones" or "resin based ones"...yet every single time no one mentions the brand.
I would like to know what some of the knowledgeable members think about Herculite XRV. THe dentist called it a metal free filling, but I know it is not. Nor is any filling based on my research. There is no such thing, from what I can tell.
When they talk about resin (glass filled resins), they aren't talking about "glass", they are talking about aluminum and most notably BARIUM. It is glass filled the way amalgam is a "silver" filling.
Herculite XRV is supposed to be among the better ones. This is what it has:
Barium --> A known Toxic Metal.
Aluminum --> a known Toxic Metal.
Titaium --> I think Ti is OK on its own.
and another metal I can't remember now. The barium and aluminum are mixed into a compound called bariumaluminoxide or something like that. I am just going by memory here. The composition is for sure, but I don't know how much metal is there by weight 100% for sure. I have read 60% by weight, but this weight info was from website.
Anyway, I know other composites leak ARSENIC, and I mean 2 to 3 times the amount that the government deems is safe for occupational exposure. Especially some of the glue that is used to bind the "composite" material to the teeth is known to leek mercury.
Porcelains are really Aluminum according to Huggins. So that is a no go. As you guys know, the now infamous neurological studies done at the university of Manitoba show that aluminum increases the toxicity of mercury 50fold (not 50%, but 5,000%, times 50).
I read good things about DiamondCrown...from the [u]MANUFACTURER[/u]. I have not been able to substantiate any of their bold claims. I have not come across ANY, and I mean any studies that they supposedly have done. I have called their office and they refused to provide info about what materials it contains. THIS IS A VERY BAD SIGN!! Take a good look at their website. very unprofessional. Were are their studies? They do not make them available. What do they have to hide. Quite a lot I would imagine. They trash others products, but they aren't filling to disclose any of the ingredients. Let me guess. It has BARIUM - a toxic metal, and other toxic metals. What a surprise. They refuse to provide the quoted tests. And I mean quoted, they certainly did not reference it properly. SO I would like as much input about this material from you guys as possible. I need to choose a filling material. I've been very sick.
On a note. Kerr, the maker of Herculite XRV did provide me with a list of the materials that account for the composition of the materials. Well, at least they don't lie about it, that is something in this day and age.
The Questions. Please Help if you can.
--Can you get DiamondCrown materials in Canada??? My dentist said he can't get them. Very interesting, and yes he is a real biological dentist, and an IAOMT member.
--Does Morals use Air mask?
--Does Morales use water drill?
--Does Morales use vit C iv
--Does Morales take out the fillings suing the sectioning method?
--Does Morales use a rubber a FULL rubber dam?
--What does Morales charge per tooth in a best case scenario. --Molars, healthy tooth otherwise, not to close to nerve, no cracks, crowns or anything like that.
--How would one arrange for accommodations and travel stuff to go to Morales. Sorry, I am student, don't know this type of stuff.
P.S. THANK you for everyone that helps and contributes to this thread.
Also please do not talk about biocompatibility testing. That is mostly a sham. If something is toxic, like lead, arsenic, mercury, aluminum, then is toxic, PERDIO. people aren't any more oar any less "aLLeRgiC" to it. It's just that some people are more sick than others.
If it kills thybroplast cells in a cell culture then that is that. Next! People shouldn't be sent off to gods knows were to pay exorbitant costs to be tested for these materials, but they aren't.
This is just a convenient excuse for those dentists that do care to research the materials to find the safest product, the ones with the best general biocompatibility- the one that kills the least cells in a culture.
Instead they just say, "hey do a test, I don't know were, no we don't do them, yeah they cost $250-$400, I think I know a person...bla bla", and shift responsibility. The tests don't tell you anything anyway, if you have been doing your reading, then you know they show a lot of positive and negative false results, and for obvious reasons. Scratch your skin or probe you with rod. Please....
Do a cell culture study...then you'll know. But unfortunately that goes back to general biocompatibility, which means that the product does not kill cells in a cell culture...and from what I can tell they all do.
Sorry my mind is tired, a lot of typos, but there doesn't seem to be any way to edit a post. Anyway, I meant some of the popular adhesives leak arsenic, not mercury.
Three years ago, I had nine mercury-
amalgam fillings removed. My dentist
put composite resin fillings in their place. They've given me
absolutely no trouble.
Composite is a very hard plastic
resin, that contains silicon dioxide. Up until about 5 years ago,
composite fillings didn't last long
at all. But now they're good for
at least 7 years, and probably a
lot longer.
If I were you, I'd opt for white,
composite fillings.
As insurance, eat a spponful of
cilantro pesto every day. See my
post on this forum, maybe 2 months
ago, entitled "Heavy Metals Begone!
Eat Cilantro Every Day."
Between the new composite fillings
and the healing cilantro, Tobi,
I think you'll be fine.
I think all the cilantro and foot pads in the world won't help you if you put a filling in your mouth that leaches Barium, Aluminum, Arsenic, and cytotoxic petrochemicals. Nor am I interested in meditating myself to health or to do power meditation to re-grow new teeth.
There are more than 250 diff types of white resin (composite) fillings. I am a little tired of people calling them white fillings. The coloring added is white. It is really a metal filling. There is little plastic in them. And even the plastics leach petrochemicals that cytotoxic, kill cells, cause RNA damage (cancer).
My dentist told me that up until a few years ago there were TRUE metal free fillings out there but now they are all metal fillings...its just that no one tells you the truth. Each and every white filling is mostly a toxic metal caller barium.
Anyone that knows what they are talking about when it comes to material choices out there, please help out.
Does anyone have the studies for DiamonCrown?? Maybe that lady making appointments for Dr.Morales can come forth with the DiamonCrown studies since that is all Dr. Morales uses. I would also like to know why Dr.Morales is not a dentist refered by Higgins. Did they have a falling out?
Can you find the information that you are looking for by contacting Hal Huggins? It's not good to jump to conclusions. They may not be true, and then people have those conclusions in their memory.
I want to say immediatedly that i unfortunately don't have any specific advice to help with your situation.
Your post interested me as im in the exact same situation currently. I've been sick for 2 years and 2 months. Mostly bedridden. I have 5 fillings i need removed.
I live in Denmark. I'm also not interested in the blood test as i doubt the blood would stay the same being transported from here to the US.
I've been looking into this for almost 2 years now and i have to say polycarbonate and Diamond Crown is what i am interested in having put in as this to me seems like the best 'bet.'
Unfortunately i need to be put in full sedation due to my situation and the one (1!) dentist who uses this product here doesnt use full sedation. (Dentist Henrik Lichtenberg)
Therefore this is not an option for me and i will be taking my chances with a more or less random plastic filling in about a month or so.
The 'holistic' dentist i will be using did a compatibility test on me with a 'swing of a pendulum'. To me this - of course - appeared absolutely useless as a way of deciding on the chances of me ever getting my life back. I've given up on this whole thing though and will be taking my chances.
If you're still around this board in a few months time and still haven't found a solution - (i hope you have and wish you the best) - i'll let you know which product and brand she used and if my situation changed.
I completely agree with you when you say you dont want to 'medicate your health back', 'powermeditation', 'regrow teeth' etc. im very tired of hearing these things.
After 2 years of searching, i unfortunately doubt that there is any truly useful information to be found on this subject anywhere.
Just an idea but havnt you ever considered having those teeth just pulled!
It would save you being bed ridden for a lot longer!
You could have saved yourself the last 2 years of misery by just having extractions which would be cheaper and totaly remove the cause of any future problems regarding refills and more toxicity.
After all its only a few teeth and no ones gonna be looking in your mouth except the dentist once in a while!
I personally have 12 huge silver Amalgams which are making me pretty damn toxic and so rather than pay out thousands only to have more bloody metal put in im going to have the lot ripped out.
I would rather eat soup for the rest of my life than be ill and unable to do the things i like.
Eventually i`ll get dentures but for now i just want my good health back and to hell with a few knackered old teeth.
Just an idea but havnt you ever considered having those teeth just pulled!
It would save you being bed ridden for a lot longer!
You could have saved yourself the last 2 years of misery by just having extractions which would be cheaper and totaly remove the cause of any future problems regarding refills and more toxicity.
After all its only a few teeth and no ones gonna be looking in your mouth except the dentist once in a while!
I personally have 12 huge silver Amalgams which are making me pretty damn toxic and so rather than pay out thousands only to have more bloody metal put in im going to have the lot ripped out.
I would rather eat soup for the rest of my life than be ill and unable to do the things i like.
Eventually i`ll get dentures but for now i just want my good health back and to hell with a few knackered old teeth.
Believe me i have considered having them pulled - and also some more extreme solutions. Ive had to scrape these ideas though.
I read some of your earlier posts and i can see that we share many of the same symptoms, although ringing in my ears is only a minor issue for me. My food intolerance is absolutely horrible. I lost between 15 and 20 kilos within the first 3 months. I do not leave my apartment due to sound/light/motion sensitivity and general dizziness. I also have bad physical/mental fatigue. I have many symptoms, but these have been the ones that have kept me from getting anywhere.
Teeth pulled solution:
1. The dentists i have talked to - even the MP aware ones - wont pull my teeth.
2. Due to problems with my weight and diet, not being able to chew for months would be an unbearable problem. I have nothing liquid in my diet, except for water and blackcurrant juice. Ive tried all kinds of protein drinks. No luck. Intolerance.
3. Going through having implants inserted seems like more than i can currently take in this state.
When i found out no-one would pull my teeth, i considered damaging my teeth to such an extent that they would need to remove what was left and then help me with implants. I considered doing this in my apartment and then calling an ambulance and say that i fell coming out of the shower - and unfortunately landed with my teeth down on the toilet brink. Trust me, i have considered all alternatives to suicide. I will not live like this. I am 26. Almost 27. I was 24 when i got sick. Had a job, a life and my health. Then i had a root canal done and a mercury filling placed. Apparantly not a good idea.
Im going to try out the diet you mentioned in another post. This is what i can eat with the least problems:
Whole grain rye bread (90% of my daily diet)
Figs + dadler (dont know what you call those, dates?)
Blackcurrant jam, pears, honey rye bread and cooked chicken (only once a week, cant deal with it more than once a week)
I had the root canal done in feb. 2002, started getting sick in april/may 2002 and have been bedridden since june 2002.
I found out what was causing my situation in september 2002, but at the same time i also discovered (the hard way, i would say) that MP 'doesnt excist.' I was thrilled to finally have discovered what was causing this hell and talked to my father about it. Unfortunately my father - whos a doctor - believed i had to be suffering from severe mental problems since i suddenly began talking about being poisoned by my fillings and he had me committed to a psychiatric hospital against my will. The police showed up and there was nothing i could do. I was then medicated against my will and the whole thing was horrific as i was going through all this while being MP sick at the same time. And i had, and still dont have, anyone whatsoever to turn to. Everyone believes me to be a mental case.
Ive gotten in contact with a 'holistic' dentist who does believe in MP. She uses full sedation and is willing to treat me. I will have all my 5 fillings removed and the tooth with the root canal (incl. my sixth filling) pulled. Shes uses rubber dam etc.
Its my last attempt. The last 2 years have been brutal. I see no-one. I will not be talked to like a mental patient anymore and have completely isolated myself for the last close to 2 years. My mother brings me groceries twice a week. I talk to no-one, except a few dentists through e-mail or by phone every now and then.
Sorry for the long post. Got carried away. If my english is less than perfect at times, keep in mind that im danish!
Ill be very interested in hearing about your situation in the future and wish you the best.
What a nightmare you've been living
in for the last few years! I hope
you'll book appointments with that
holistic dentist ASAP, and get those
fillings and root canal OUT!
I shudder to think that your father,
a doctor, would have you committed
because he sees no connection between your illness and all the
toxic metal in your mouth. Talk about malpractice! What a horror!
I think there's a very good chance
that you'll regain your health
when the dental work is over. What
you and your father will have to say
to each other at that point, I have
no idea.
Your diet is very limited. Have you
tried fresh juices? Have you tried
a colon or liver cleanse? Have you
tried a modified vegetarian eating
regimen, substituting some sardines
or salmon for the chicken? Have you
tried drinking LOTS of distilled
water every day? Dehydration causes
an enormous number of problems.
You will be in my prayers, Miss.
You've been through a terrible ordeal. I hope you can keep your
spirits up, and that you not only
survive, but thrive.
I thought i had it bad!
How on earth have you managed thus far?
You must have some unbelievable will power inside of you 3years!
Yes i see in some ways how you and i are very similar i.e age,intolerances(you have a seriously small list of foods you can eat there),and having everyone think that we are as the saying goes"mad as hatters".
I cant even imagine what it must be like having your own father a bloody doctor not even take you seriously!
I myself gave up on the doc ages ago as he used to look at me like i was a scitzo.
You said you were gonna try out the diet i mentioned in another post.
Did you mean the anti-candida/alkalinizing/ayurvedic type diet?
Wow try saying that fast.Sounds like a disease or something!
I was wondering how you are coping with rent,food moneys and such?
I know its a bit personal asking you that but its just that i am finding it so hard living on 44 pounds a week from state benefits(income support).
I dont see how i can ever pay for what i eventualy decide to do with my teeth, and i know for sure the goverment will not help pay for it so im in a catch 22 if you get my meaning.
How are you gonna pay for your treatment?
Also how did you find out it was definately MP causing your problems?
So far now i have lost in excess of 50 pounds in muscular weight(my bodyfat was about 6% when i first got ill as i was dieting for a competition) and i think that is mostly down to candida issues as im not getting the nutrients out of my food and the candida is.
I wonder if maybe you have candida issues too what with your intolerances,weight loss etc.
I am using the diet i mentioned above and am starting to feel pretty good but i know its gonna be a long time before i can put any weight back on again.
As far as having dentures im not too keen as i read theyre just as bad as Amalgams but to be honest my teeth are so knackered some of the ones that have been filled have no sides at all.
Theyve just been shaped and built up with the filling.
I havent contacted any dentists yet and asked if i can have them pulled as i am waiting for my mother to get her retirement fund and then we can get me sorted, but thats not for a while yet so i`ll just have to sick it for now.
I dont know what id do without her i really dont!
I just dont like the idea of having the same old tired teeth filled yet again with something that in 5 years is found to have dangerous materials in.
Whats the point in having them refilled for the rest of my life anyway? I say rip the blighters out and to hell with it!
Firstly your exposing yourself to more vapours in a couple of hours than you would in a life time.
Secondly your put on a ridicoulous amount of vitamins and iv etc just to get over the treatment.
Thirdly you can guarentee that you will feel like sh1t for a while afterwards, and last of all you will probably have to do this whole process not just once but a few times!
For my teeth as they are shot to hell i just want them out!
For you maybe they arent so laden with filling and can easily be extracted.
I`ll still have 7 top teeth and 8 bottom ones at the front and ive always liked soup anyrhode so thats ok :) :)
You know you can blend anything and chug it down so its all good.
Get back to me as im intrigued about how you are managing life in general.
Unfortunately its not just my father who believes that the only problems i have are mental ones. The same goes for my mother and my sister and every single other person ive talked to for the last 2 years. Excepting two dentists. I got out of the psychiatric hospital in november 02 and i havent spoken a word to my father since. He has done nothing to help me out in any way what-so-ever. His opinion is that as long as i dont accept the treatment that i 'need' (anti-psychotic medication etc.) the situation im in must be of my own choosing.
About the money aspect. Before i got sick i worked for a computer company for four years. I never really 'did' anything per se, but was paid quite well anyhow. Its horrible reading that the money issue is what is keeping some people here from getting their lives back. Im not drowning in money at all, but i do have enough to pay for a treatment and still not work for at least another year while i recover (hopefully). The danish welfare system is quite good. If i run out of money i will get a decent welfare.
About the diet. Yes i guess i meant the anti-candida/alkalinizing/ayurvedic type diet. There are a couple of those foods i will try out.
You asked me how i found out it was MP. At first it felt like a flu that wouldnt go away, but after a few weeks i started doing searches on the net on food intolerance. I read about Irritable Bowel Syndrome and these things, but i thought my symptoms were a bit worse than that. I started thinking about what i had been through in the last 6 months. Trying to think of anything that could have caused this. I had a cat. Tried looking up if it was possible it had 'given' me something i hadnt asked for. I had also tried living as a vegetarian just prior to becoming ill. At first i thought that that might be it, but my blood tests were fine and i had only been a vegetarian for about 2 months. I kept thinking about the root canal i had had done 3-4 months earlier and considered the possibility that the dentists instruments hadnt been 'clean' and maybe he had given me something 'extra'. I thought this to be unlikely. A few months later i see the word(s) mercury poisoning mentioned in a book about food intolerance. I looked it up on the net and started reading about other peoples experiences with this - and well it was pretty obvious to me. All the symptoms i had registered and a dozen more i hadnt paid attention too. And then all hell broke loose.
That my situation has remained unchanged for so long is also partly my own fault. For long periods of time - months at a time - i have just given up on this. Given up on ever finding a solution. Been lying around on my bed listening to music and just been bitter about my experiences with the danish psychiatric system. Bitter that ive constantly had to defend myself while being sick. In february i desperately started trying to find a solution again. I got in contact with a dentist who does use both precautions and sedation. And now i hope that this is the solution. There is only 1 dentist here who follows all Huggins guidelines and he doesnt use full sedation.
However i also do feel lucky that ive even discovered what my problem is. Its horrible to think about the number of Crohns, Multiple Sclerosis, Fibromyalgia etc. etc. etc. patients out there who are unaware of what could very likely have caused their situation.
About having the teeth pulled out. I would prefer this too. Last thursday i went to talk to this dentist in person for the first time. The first time ive been going anywhere in more than a year. She took x-rays and apparently i have around 6 (!) new cavities. So, after i have my mercury removed and find out if im tolerant to the new plastic product or not, i will have to have around 6 more placed. Not good at all. I havent been brushing my teeth much - due to the worsening in my day-to-day situation - and i guess i havent gotten away with it. I would prefer dentures and have been looking into titanium implants. Just seems unrealistic to me.
I do hope you find a way of paying for this. And very soon. When will your mother get her retirement fund? Wouldnt taking out a loan be possible at all?
hopefully we'll get some answers. It's not that they aren't out there. its just that dentists and business aren't on the level when you ask them the hard questions.
I'd really like to get my hands on a study showing that Diamond Crown is safe. Based on how unavailable this study is and how much work it is to contact biodent in N.A. by phone, I doubt there is such a study done by a competent 3rd party. Again, I hope I am wrong and some hero can get us the studies and post them here. There are cytotoxicity studies of all the other products available except Diamond products.
SHAGLEY, I would not consider having my teeth pulled. I'll tell you why. My teeth are healthy. I have been brushing every day since I was a kid. I am a young adult now and have healthy teeth.
Further, I was able to obtain my original dental records from the dentist that put the mercury fillings in, including the pre procedure dental x-ray. My holistic dentist informed me that I did NOT have any cavities before my old dentist put in the mercury amalgams!! He even showed me how to read the x-ray.
Therefore the dentist drilled out my healthy teeth to fill them with toxic mercury. So for a few hundred dollars he drilled out, what, 30-40% of the molar surface, all to make just a few hundred bucks. A decision that I will have to live with for the rest of my life. I like most was young and didn't know any better than to let a so called "doctor" do what ever he wanted. Not anymore.
If you think there is no healthy filling, and underlying assumption behind pulling ones teeth, them what makes you think there are safe materials to make your dentures? Go to the website of Huggins. He talks about dentures. They are made of the same crap but also have NICKLE (the metal that is most prone to cause cancer) and other toxic materials. And then you have 3 to 120 times as much of that material in your mouth, toxic or not, as opposed to having some holes filled.
I think the best bet is to find the healthiest filling material and go with that. Keeping your own teeth if they are healthy is a very smart thing to do. You would be better of even just having the filling taken out and letting your teeth rot in your mouth than having them pulled. How are you going to chew?
I think in few years they should be able to use hydroxyapetite to fill teeth if already not being done underground. That is akin to having your original teeth back. Tooth or dentin is pretty much hydroxyapetite.
They are already using it to fix broken hip bones etc from what I have read. Supposedly they were very close to using it for fillings 5 years ago but suddenly the technology disappeared. I really wonder if the same forces that ensure people are poisoned by amalgams, thymerisol,artificial sweeteners, toxified drinking water and the countless other stuff made sure it is taken of the market. Think about it. The most deadly non radioactive material known to man does not get into vaccines etc on its own. That is one coincidence theory too many.
Here have some thymerisol, its good for you! Young and old, the more the merrier! The government is paying for your shot. But Doc, how can it fight the flue? I’ve heard on the nightly news that they haven’t isolated this years strain yet. Isn’t that necessary before you can make a vaccine? Ahhhh well yes, that is, true…. I think it has last years strain though…. Let me see, hmmm, what’s this…it doesn’t have last years train either? Ohh well, do you want the shot or not, take it, its good for you.
Nope, I think we’re on our own.
P.S. Anyone that has the DiamonCrown studies PLEASE post them.
Sorry 3 years, we posted at the same time. I missed your post.
Sounds like you really have it bad. My advice to you is not to *%#&¤?§* against the wind. Find a dentist that is educated and deal with them. You are not going to be able to educate any dentist or doctor, that just isn't going to happen ;)
Doctors don't think own their own. That is how you get into med school. You can't be a rebel. You got to do what your told, be able and willing to memorize and regurgitate everything word for word. if you can do that, you can be a doctor. The free thinking wise men are filtered out early. They become the scientists and researches. In the very industry is controlled top down. Who can enter, compete, talk and how they can talk, to whom, what and how they should conduct business, and who to pay how much. Its kind of like communism.
Anyway, I didn't find vitamins to help with energy. But they did help with memory. The best thing I found for energy, believe it or not...and maybe I wasn't imagining it since someone else posted about this though no one answered him, is a method of breathing.
Do this little test for 3 days. I say 3 days because it is too much work to do every day. I can't bring myself to do it every day. I did for 3 days, felt better after the 3rd day than I did for years. It is really a HUGE change. But its just too much to continue it until the Amalgams are removed. The basic purpose is to get an idea of the difference of not having mercury in your teeth. A very rough approximation. Anyway I want to replicate my results to see if there is something to it. So please tell me how it went.
THE TEST.
Materials Needed.
1) bottle of 500MG vit C. No preservatives, additives, no coloring. Hopefully not Jameson or Swiss. Try to get something from a small company.
2) another bottle of 500mg vit Ester-C. make sure its diff brand.
No preservatives, additives, no coloring or yeast.
3)bottle of L-methionine 100mg. No preservatives, additives, no coloring or yeast.
4) bottle of vit e 500mg. No preservatives, additives, no coloring or yeast.
5) get good filtered water. Really do you best to find something with no Fluoride, Fluorine or Chlorine. Reverse osmosis or something like that. Taste it to make sure it doesn't have an after taste. if it does try another brand. When you find something good buy a case of 24.
6) a carbon water filter. They are very cheap. Brita is what I use. Doesn't work great but it does work.
7) a non fluorinated tooth paste.
Precautions to be taken.
1) Nothing hot!! Everything you eat must be cold. Mercury is a metal that is liquid at room temperature! Hot accelerate the release of mercury.
2) You must not let any food touch your amalgams. This means no chewing with your molars! When you chew your food, chew slowly take your time and chew with your front teeth only. nice and slow.
3) You must not brush your amalgams! When you brush in the morning, brush your teeth and your tongue. But do not rub the amalgams. Following the brushing, rinse your mouth 20 times with water to make sure your amalgams are cooled down, and to wash out any diluted mercury in your mouth.
4) the breathing technique. This is crucial. This also the main reason why you can't do this test for more than 3 days. you'll go nuts ;) bet it does work. Take note, it does sound really silly. But again it does work. I didn't tell my dentist I did this he'd think I am mental but it worked. Breathe in your nose ONLY! Exhale through your mouth. Try to make sure that you do this all day. yes you will have to concentrate. This is a lot of work. You'll have problems falling asleep using this technique. Just do it until you fall asleep. You can't help what happens after. But do it from marring to the point were you fall asleep.
5) throughout the day, when you feel saliva accumulate in your mouth spit it out. Have an empty Kleenex or tissue box handy. Nasty and silly...yes ;)
6) every hour or two, go to the bathroom and rinse your mouth 20 times with cool water. Not cold, just cool.
7) Make sure you drink 2 to 3 liters of that water you bought each day. Spread it out throughout the day in schedule that you like. Make sure you filter that good water you bought with the Brita filter. Yes this is extra but you never know what you really bought. Most likely its just tap water. In that case it can have tin, nickel, copper, arsenic, aluminum...etc. In marketing collectively called minerals. In reality....
8) take 2grams (4 pills) of vit C, 2 grams of vit Ester C (4 pills), and 2 l-methionine pills each day of the 3 day test.
The Test.
Note. between each step, drink your allotment of the prescribed amount of water, make sure you drink at the end of the day 2 to 3L. Do the BREATHING!!! Rinse your mouth once in while with water and spit when you need to. This is the real important part. The rest is just repeating what I did in case it was a combo of things.
1) every morning get up. Take a shower and brush your teeth using the non fluorinated toothpaste. Cleaning your mouth is essential. Rinse it afterward thoroughly with cool tap water. if your water stinks, use the bottled water. This can be to expensive, so you may want to buy a second carbon filter for $20 and use that to filter water for this stuff and cooking. Rinse your mouth 20 times. Start breathing.
2) Take your Vitc, Ester C, Vit e, and L-methionine pills.
3) have breakfast. Cook some egg in water. eat only the egg whites. have some high fiber natural bread with that. and drink one or two bottles of your clean water.
4) A few hours later take vitc, ester c, vit e again.
5) Have lunch. Try to await acids that may bother the amalgam. Have chicken breast or egg whites again. make sure you eat lots of that bread. Water! ;) Each cheese if you like it. Have ONIONS! the sulphur will help get out the mercury in the blood. Try that cilantro recipe. go easy on the amount of cilantro. take very little or none. I didn't use it and I want to keep the test scientific. Rinse your mouth 20 times.
5e) have a nice walk if you can. Nice fresh polluted air, as opposed to old stale polluted air in your apartment is good for you. ;) take your bottle of water with you!
6) take your pills again. vitc, esterC, vitE. Water! Breathe!
7) Have dinner. Make some broccoli with GARLIC (the sulphur). Bur some sour cream on it. bake potato. have chicken meat. Do not eat FISH!! Do not eat NUT! try to stick to the foods I ate. its only 3 days. Rinse your mouth 20 times.
8) have you pills again. VitC, EsterC, VitE, L-methionine. Water!
9) Rinse your mouth. Go to bead and relax if possible. breathe.
that's it. The key is the water, the breathing, and the spiting. if you don't do these things I am sure the vitamins won't help you. Since I stopped the breathing and the water, the things are back to the usual. Also keep this to yourself. People will think you are crazy. It's just a test to see how your body would be after the removal.
I'm fascinated by your test and will try it out. Or at least get close to it.
The dentists i have been dealing with are the educated ones. Unfortunately none of the educated ones here use full sedation. Due to my condition full sedation will be necessary. I was planning on having them removed slowly, with all precautions in place and polycarbonate placed. Unfortunately i will need full sedation. I have to *%#&¤?§* against the wind a little bit. However, she will be using the water flushes, rubberdam and the extra suction.
Many of the things you mention in your test are things i've been experimenting with on-and-off myself. Not the breathing aspect though.
The change i get in my condition when i havent brushed my teeth at all for a day or two is huge. The same goes for avoiding hot meals. The only hot thing i eat is the chicken and the consequenses are the same every single time.
Hot meal = confusion, irregular heart rhythm, stress, irritability, aggression, headache.
Brushing my teeth = I immediately start spiting pretty much non-stop for about an hour due to the taste and the increased saliva (sorry). 20 mins later my face feels numb and flushed. My hands feel bloated and i get strange sensations in my fingers and feet. About 45 mins after the brushing the physical and mental fatique sets in. The physical aspect is no energy what-so-ever, some-to-moderate pains in arms and legs, heavy arms/legs and sweating. The mental aspect is hopelessness, confusion, trouble speaking (as in wording things), the feeling of being completely and utterly stupid (and also actually being completely and utterly stupid at this point), im in slow-motion mentally and physically. This only gets worse as the hours go by and i only fully 'recover' after ive slept for at least 3-4 hours.
I've tried brushing my teeth while avoiding the fillings, but gave up on this. Ill try it out again. I've tried getting hold of a non-fluorinated tooth paste through other people, but i also gave up on this a while ago. Apparantly not easy to find here, and im not able to do any shopping myself. I know about the fluor aspect.
I have been experimenting constantly and with unmistakable positive results with these things: No tooth brushing, regular spitting, rinsing mouth again and again during the day (often more than 20 times at a time), lots of water and no hot meals.
The first 6 months i tried out pretty much all foods and kept a journal. I think i narrowed it down to what i can handle already. I keep re-trying different foods with bad results. Including broccoli and a couple of the other foods you mention. I take 0.5 - 1 mg of Ester C daily. Although i've only been doing this for a few months.
A question.. i've been worrying about giving myself the daily acute worsenings of my condition through brushing my teeth. Do you believe this is just a 'for the moment' worsening or could this keep me from ever fully recovering again? i mean, putting myself in that state daily by continuing to brush my teeth, although im well aware of what im doing to myself. I only brush my teeth at night before i sleep for obvious reasons. Do i damage myself further every single time i choose to do something as 'drastic' as brushing my teeth? i mean in the long run, the immediate worsening is unmistakable. What i would really love to know is.. Do i get dumber and sicker for every single toothbrushing. The reaction is so strong that im fearing im probably damaging myself more than i think. Damaging my intelligence, nervous system etc. I don't know. I'm hoping its just a temporary, immediate worsening. Fearing that its not. Whenever i experiment with this, i always end up swearing ill never brush my teeth again until ive had my fillings removed. The next day i however start worrying about my dental hygiene and repeat the procedure. In short.. should i completely stop brushing my teeth for now?
Very uplifting to see that other people have noticed the same things. Im impressed that you've been able to do these tests so thorougly and meticulously. I'll give it a try, but i won't be able to include all aspects.
Thanks again.
Im very impressed that youre so well-informed. Why are you still stuck..? is it purely the lack of an alternative filling or are there other aspects as well. And for how long have you been in this situation?
Sorry about the long url. Wouldnt work any other way.
Only 74 patients were tested and the method could be discussed, but i do find the results interesting. Especially since i was recommended to have either Charisma or Tetric placed just this last week. Tetric gets the worst result. Diamond Crown the best. Or 'best guess' as it says.
If you have the reserves and the energy to go to Morales and Mexico and have this done.. that really truly seems like the 'best guess' of all. My impression of him is purely positive.
It says that this is his price list: (scroll down)
http://www.bikerchick.freehomepage.com/photo.html
I know a homepage like this looks terribly unprofessional. But the most incompetent dentists seems to be the ones who have the time and funds for the most flashy ones. Same goes for the Diamond Crown homepage. Doesnt have to be a bad sign. The only true MP expert in Denmark has one of the worst looking homepages on the subject.
There:
http://www.lichtenberg.dk (in English)
Thats a guy im certain could give me my health back. I've talked to him many times and corresponded through e-mail. He's an expert on the subject, he's treated MP patients since the mid-eighties, uses DC and he's cheap. Unfortunately i need sedation.
Morales uses conscious sedation. How do you feel about this? Having everything done in one appointment. I used to think this was a bad solution, but ive seen no evidence that patients who have the slow, monthly - 1 or 2 fillings removed at a time etc. - treatments recover any better than others.
Have you read about any bad experiences with DC?
The only ones i have seen mentioned are direct allergic reactions.
About being 'hell bent' on finding the right filling. So was i for a long time. I'm taking my chances now as i feel the neurological symptoms are getting a bit too worrying. So im taking my chances. I cant live like this anymore anyway. I will unfortunately at this point be satisfied with a less than full recovery. If it all goes to hell.. well i never had that many options. I've looked into this for 2 years now.
I was first recommended Diamond Crown way back in september 2002, i've seen nothing since then to make me really question it and i still believe it to be the 'best guess.'
I dont even know the name of the product my new 'holistic' dentist is planning on using. She did the (useless?) test on me. Tested about 10 different composites on me - using the magic pendulum - and said there were 2 options. I asked for the names of these two products so i could look them up myself. She gave me a note with the names of 2 products, but for some reason when i returned home and looked them up on the net, it turned out she had given me the names of two commonly used dental anaesthetics (!). Xylocain Adrenalin and another one. Now due to the holiday i've been unable to get in contact with her and get the brand names i need. I know she doesnt use DC though, due to the lack of tests. I have been completely unable to tell how much she actually knows about MP from talking to her. She doesnt answer my questions and she seems to lean towards the more vague, holistic and watered down opinions on the subject. However shes the only one who at least uses the precautions (or some) and also sedation.
I dont know how reliable this list is, but..:
http://www.testfoundation.org/hgfreedentists.htm#CANADA
There must be some of these dentists that use Diamond Crown.
My dementia-like state is scaring the *%#&¤?§* out of me. Its getting worse and worse. Very close to what you described. Im fascinated by what you said about having a perfect memory before this and the correlation with mercury fillings. I absolutely fear completely 'losing' it at this point. My confusion is so bad. It wasnt just 6 months ago. I know there are other aspects that could play a part. Perhaps B-12 deficiency.
You said:
:::The accumulated mercury, unless your chelating does not play a crucial factor because it is not free to inhibit these pathways. The mercury is already deeply attached within cells, namely fat cells, heart cells, and brain. This great reduction of available free floating mercury the blood will make sure that these pathways are not inhibited. Your reward is instant energy. You do not have to wait months or year. This is very scientific. It also explains logically why 89% of the people report having their energy levels back to normal after Amalgam removal.
So now I am hell bent on finding the right replacement filling. I think my body can take care of the rest.:::
I dont doubt this to be true. Large parts of the recovery should be instant. And seem to be with the really affected patients who eventually also get actual full recoveries. The neurological aspects seem somewhat more drawn-out. Although i have read many positive things on that as well.
Keep us updated on your every move.
On a Danish page i found a horrible safety sheet or guide for Hercules XTR. Do you know anything about Bisfil 2b and Fuju IX?
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