Thank you for reply, HM.
I already looked for your point of view on one of your sites.
I agree we better get the pure stuff -vitamin-C- from nature.
I will do my shopping in nature in spring :-) when I can collect dandilons, roots, etc.
I agree about rosehips and the highest vitamin C, but there must be more high vitamin-C containing plants/herbs/leaves and roots. I have to find out.
Do you know "Wildman" Steve Brill? He got arrested taking dandilons out of Central Park NY, 20 years ago and stil going strong. http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/
Dandilions can be food or a powerful cancer cure and one of the most famous Amish herbs. It is also used by a MD in MI for cancer cure-all.
It also works great on the kidneys, the liver and just about everything when used correctly. Christopher stated to kill the grass and let the dandilions live!
No I have not heard of this man, I don't look around on the internet anymore or keep up with those authors that are still alive!
I figured I wasted over $20,000 and 15 years looking for new things, when all along it was the old things that work. I believe Science is so backwards today that(almost)nothing after 1950 is worth wasting time on.
According to then 99 year old Theodore P. Jorgensen. He is the man that highly recommends ascorbic acid for everybody.
It was also discovered that most animals produced there own ascorbic acid, but human beings, apes, monkeys, and guinea pigs, could not make any at all.
The conclusion of the thinking on this problem was that the animals which could not make ascorbic acid had a genetic defect involving one enzyme which was lost millions of years ago because ascorbic acid was so easy to be obtained in the food then available.
Something about that just doesn't make sense to me. Seems all us apes must be lacking this white chemical that has killed billions prematurely and added to most foods that make people look twice their age.
"IF" your theory is correct, it would make sense that I am too stupid to understand, because I am lacking so much acid that I can't understand common sense. My kids must be the stupidest kids in school and runts amongst the healthy children.
My 13 year old sees math in the air in front of him and has dumb founded all his teachers to point. My 7 year old is the tuffest kid on the soccer field and just won top prise for reciting psalms 100 and will compete in a large city this week against other top first graders in the state. My 4 year old is a monster on 2 legs, we fear he may smash the preschool kids next year, I am serious this kid makes other 4 year olds look like 2 year olds. He finished all our children's computer CDs at the age of 2 and became bored. Our 21 month old "Tippy Toes" Trevor should be a professional Model and is so powerful he even scares us, we don't know what to expect next.
I have been there and QUIT, I use to sale the junk when I believed Dr. Hulda Clark , thanks God I had enough brain cells left to finally learn her vitamins KILL, I am sorry I was ever stupid enough to sale people vitamin C.
People have the right to consume their choices of poisons, remember, to me all products that enter the skin, lungs, mouth are poisons that lead to premature death due to loss of circulation by accumulated acids. So if anyone chooses to take more acid than is already in their commerical foods, that is their choice, I just learned not to after years of being lead astray by Clark's books and other modern books.
you are right!! and why cant people see that there are high vitamin c fruits everywhere! thats why we dont naturaly make absorbic acid like many other animals because the foods around us give us plenty!
For a variety of financial and political reasons, ascorbic acid has been deemed "vitamin C." But actually, ascorbic acid is only the antioxidant factor of a nutritional complex that contains a myriad of nutrients all rolled up into one big ball that we call the Vitamin C Complex.
This nutritional complex is the real vitamin C because it is exactly as found in nature. Ascorbic acid is never found isolated in nature and serves only to protect the whole Vitamin C Complex from degradation. It is much like a preservative in processed foods, providing them with a longer shelf life. The schematic below of the whole Vitamin C Complex and its ascorbic acid fraction will help make this clear.
ASCORBIC ACID
ASCORBIGEN
BIOFLAVONOID
COMPLEXES
TYROSINASE
(ORGANIC COPPER
P FACTORS
J FACTORS
K FACTORS
ASCORBIC ACID
The Functional Architecture of Vitamin C Complex
Since ascorbic acid is such a tiny portion of the natural Vitamin C Complex. any ascorbic acid product cannot possibly be natural. The reason is simple-to get sufficient quantities of ascorbic acid from nature, the other portions of the whole Vitamin C Complex would be so large as to make a single 500 mg "natural" ascorbic acid pill the size of a tennis ball.
Since there is no "natural" ascorbic acid, it is the combination of nutritive factors found in the whole Vitamin C Complex that do the healing, not the ascorbic acid. This was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by the Nobel Prize winner and discoverer of ascorbic acid, Dr. Szent-Gyorgyi. In a letter to the editor of the esteemed journal Nature, July 14, 1936, p. 27, he wrote that when it comes to anti-scurvy and anti-hemorrhagic effects, there are "other substances of similar importance and activity that accompany ascorbic acid."
More important, when Szent-Gyorgyi tried to cure scurvy and other bleeding conditions, he found that "with pure ascorbic acid, we obtained no response.... Yet when red pepper or lemon or lime juice was used, the condition was readily cured." The reason for this is simple, the nutritive portions of vitamin C do the curing and healing, ascorbic acid_simplyperformstheantioxidant function.
So we have it from the horses mouth that ascorbic acid was not effective in curing the very conditions known to be vitamin C-deficiency diseases. This has been known since the early 1930s. But it is simple to reproduce ascorbic acid and sell it as vitamin C for big bucks. So the charade has continued all these years. The real need for ascorbic acid is to protect the healing nutrients in the whole Vitamin C Complex from oxidation.
What About the Vitamin C Diseases?
The integrity of blood vessels is dependent upon vitamin C and its natural bioflavonoid and organic copper components. People taking super doses of ascorbic acid still have pink toothbrush, still have brown skin on their legs from capillary fragility, and still suffer from arteriosclerosis subclinical scurvy, and other blood vessel problems because they aren't getting enough whole Vitamin C Complex.
A whole-food extract of vitamin C-rich foods will resolve these problems where ascorbic acid tablets routinely fail. Are these conditions common? In older folks they are becoming the routine. Clogged arteries, inflamed arteries, aneurysms, skin covered with patches of leaked blood that turns brown, bleeding gums and loose teeth, gum disease, bone problems including osteoporosis, and more are all symptoms of vitamin C deficiency. And they are universal-despite the fact that almost everyone takes enough ascorbic to sink a battleship.
But what about the antioxidant activity of ascorbic acid? The new super-role of antioxidants is being hyped to the public to sell chemicals labeled as vitamins. These are supposed to protect you from free radicals and serve as anti-aging products. Most people's cells are actually starved for oxygen. Huge doses of chemical antioxidants can make these conditions worse.
We have people who can't take a deep breath. Those who are constantly in a fog. And more that can't walk a block without fainting. Antioxidants (chemical Vitamin E, ascorbic acid, etc) taken to excess can make these conditions worse. The whole Vitamin C Complex improves oxygen assimilation in the blood This relieves the heart and all the other blood cells that constantly need oxygenation.
It Can't Hurt-Or Can It?
Any substance that actively promotes disease in the human body cannot be considered a vitamin. Therefore, ascorbic acid is not a vitamin. Here are just a few things we have found associated with excessive ascorbic acid intake:
1. Ascorbic acid pills can speed up the process of hardening of the arteries. This was published in an Associated Press release (3-3-2000) from an epidemiological study presented at the American Heart Association.
2. Cancer thrives on glucose and ascorbic acid. Studies from the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center showedthattumors do better in a high ascorbic acid environment..
3. Ascorbic acid is excreted via the kidneys in 24 hours. (European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1990 June;44(6):447-60).
4. Five hundred mgs. of ascorbic acid daily can damage genetic material (DNA). (New York Times, April 8, 1998-quoting the journal Nature of the same month).
So, we have ascorbic acid antioxidant pills made for pennies and sold to the public in megadoses for big bucks that do not cure scurvy or its subclinical forms now afflicting legions of Americans. It can speed up the process of clogged arteries. Cancer thrives on it, and it protects tumors. Most of it is wasted and excreted via the kidneys. And it can cause oxidative genetic damage to your DNA. It can't hurt?!
Once again we are faced with the old adage that truth is indeed timeless. From the early 1920s and into the '30s when the discoverer expressed the failure of ascorbic acid to cure scurvy, right up to today when study after study shows that ascorbic acid is not the panacea we are taught to believe, we learn the same lesson. When you extract one component of food and give it at very high doses, you just don't know what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse.
As for "natural" forms of ascorbic acid, there are none. Linus Pauling, the biggest proponent of ascorbic acid intake, cleared that up when he said, "Ascorbic acid is made from glucose (corn sugar) boiled with sulfuric acid. What is called rose hips (natural) vitamin C is the same pure crystalline ascorbic acid with a bunch of rose hips powder added. The "natural" ascorbic acid is out of the same barrel from Hoffman-LaRoche as the others, but with a pinch of rose hips powder."
What Real Vitamin C Will Do
When you look at the schematic of the whole Vitamin C Complex, you see that the bioflavonoid complexes, enzymes and organic copper, and the other nutritional factors like P, J, and K make up the bulk of vitamin C. The ascorbic acid (C6H8 806) is the protective wrapper. When the whole vitamin C complex is fed to the body, things really happen.
Blood vessels begin to strengthen. Collagen is more readily produced. Bones take up calcium and other minerals properly. Capillaries firm up and bleeding stops. Gums stop bleeding, teeth tighten, and the oxygenation of the cells becomes more efficient. This in turn allows for better circulation to the heart, more oxygenation of the blood, and resultant better heart function. All these changes, including a natural immune system enhancement, can be measured on lab and other tests. These tests will show nothing of the kind with the same consumption of ascorbic acid alone.
In reality, the whole Vitamin C Complex is concentrated food. Prime sources of organic foods condensed into vitamin C supplements are buck wheat, alfalfa, mushrooms, raw bone, carrots, rice bran, raw adrenal, yeast, and more. These make up the raw ingredients of whole Vitamin C Complex supplements like Cataplex C, AC, and ACP from Standard Process.
Next month, I will show you a chromatograph of the actual architecture of the real vitamin C complex vs. ascorbic acid. It is an eye-opener to say the least. In September, 2002, I visited the organic farms owned and operated by Standard Process in Wisconsin. They are virtually the only company left to produce pills from organicallygrown plants in this magnificent fashion. The proof of the real thing will be easy for you to see. When presented with a single pill, subjecting it to the chromatograph machine to make a nutritional image of its contents, the farm' manager could tell me the exact date the product was made and which field the produce came from!
It is easier to just say the vitamin C in lemons/oranges is real and helps restore health and the medical scam of calling chemicals vitamins to steal money from sick people pretty well says all I need to hear. The story did take allot of effort, so I added it to my testimony list.
You may be laughing in your acidic body today, but the day will come when your Immune System will stand up and attempt to save your life and it will take the strongest chemo they have to stop it. Living in the sterilized body is the biggest trap that has the biggest penalty to pay. Your bones are hollow as you pee them down the drain, etc., etc., etc.
You pass extreme disease to the next generation's children. The trap you bost of has killed millions of innocent babies and the undertaker won't have to do much to your steril body.
Vitamins are electricity (sunshine) within the plant that gives the plant life.
Vitamin C is but one of many names given. All vitamins die when the plant/fruit etc. is removed from the soil or mother plant and if you wait 7 minutes the life has returned to the air (God). Life is in the air for all that has life.
The fools that use chemical acids or rock minerals and pass them off as vitamins have KILLED billions of people prematurely, this was discussed by REAL DOCTORS as they watched people die after vitamins were produced as a result of the Nobel Prize. What is a Nobel Prize, is it for the slaves or for slave control?
Who wins the Nobel explains the Nobel, I wouldn't buy one at a garage sell for 50 cents.
man dude you are talking out of your butt! what cave did you crawl out of? vitamin c kills lol do you work for the establishment? if vitamin c kills put up some documentation or keep your toxic talk to yourself!
asorbic acid is not vitamin c. 90% of all vitamin c produce in the US is made by Hoffman-LaRoche, one of the world's biggest drug manufacturers. This article has all the references you need.
An easy experiment, buy your drug your calling Vitamin C and consume 1/4 pound for a meal, have your surviving realitives post your results. I have no use for drug users and those who consume vitamin c powders don't hang around this forum long, they seek their own kind where they can find comfort with other drug users.
MH, I understand and agree with your view on C, but there is a huge difference between explaining to people why ascorbic acid is not vit. C, and calling them drug users. You are insulting people for no reason, people who might be suffering and doing all they can to heal, and that is why they are here on this forum. Do you think they will listen to you more if you insult them? Do you think you will help them better if you call them drug users? Maybe you do know more than most people here, so you can offer your knowledge to others in a respectful manner. Sending them your positive energy and love will do more for an ill person than calling them a drug user. I see nothing but hate and resentfulness in your posts.
And that won't stop me from sending you my love.
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