Does anyone know the stages that a gallstone goes through, in the process of becoming a gallstone?
I posted a comment about my own green blobs below, and how they consisted of fat/oil, and a poster responded that, whatever they were, they were not gallstones. That served to remind me that the 'medically orthodox' (so to speak) among the posters here have a very clear idea of what consitutes gallstones: they are hard, calcified stones, typically but not invariably black.
But presumably Gallstones don't spring, fully-formed, full-sized, fully-calcified into the gallbladder - they have an individual evolution, a personal history. Does anyone know what this is?
Is it possible that the green blobs represent an early stage in the development of a gallstone? That, left to itself, a green blob will very gradually harden and darken and begin to calcify, and take its place among officially-recognised gallstones? It's certainly the case that there is great variability among my blobs - some have been quite soft and bright-coloured, others have been much harder and darker, but still fat-containing, and thus, I venture to guess, rather older. If green blobs are not baby gallstones, then can anyone say what a baby gallstone actually Is, what it looks like etc?
If gallstones are by definition calcified, then it's semantically correct to rule that green blobs are not gallstones; however, such dissmissive certainty is unhelpful if it serves to obscure a possible connection between green blobs and gallstones.
> That served to remind me that the 'medically orthodox' (so to speak) among the posters here have a very clear idea of what consitutes gallstones: they are hard, calcified stones, typically but not invariably black.
As someone who is knowledgeable about orthodox medicine, orthodox medicine fully reocgnizes more than one class of gallstone. Orthodox medicine acknowledges that most Gallstones are *cholesterol* stones (80%). Cholestrol is a soft waxy substance. There are other classes of gallstone too including calcified/pigment gallstones.
Lay people often think that gallstones only refers to calcified gallstones (I did too until I investigated the literature) - this is not true. Although calcified gallstones are the ones which cause the most problems and so these are the ones the medically untrained hear about.
Again note the distinction between cholesterol gallstones: "Cholesterol stones are usually white or yellow in color and account for about 80 percent of gallstones. They are made primarily of cholesterol."
and calcified gallstones: "Pigment stones are small, dark stones made of bilirubin and calcium salts that are found in bile. They account for the other 20 percent of gallstones. Risk factors for pigment stones include cirrhosis, biliary tract infections, and hereditary blood cell disorders, such as sickle cell anemia."
To answer your question - it is unlikely that one type of gallstone turns into the other because of their different constituent ingredients. Cholesterol gallstones form in all people (to some extent), whereas pigment/calcified gallstones tend to be associated with some kind of pathology.
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as usual for this forum your knowledge level is not as high as you believe it is. as someone who unlike the vast majority here who has actually seen and handled Gallstones I know that green blobs that float are NOT gallstones! The research proves it - these green blobs have been analysed and found to be faeces.
Listen to you ! you even deny your own paradigms positve conclusions to your negative assumptions ,you are whooped from both sides yet you persist like some kind of fiend! You should be chained to a tree with your howling at the moon!
could you re-phrase that post Chaz because at the moment it is incomprehensible. if I do bay at the moon at least my posts are in acceptable English...
You seem to be obsessed with fecal matter. You could say that you have fecal matter on the mind. Or as one would say in the vernacular - shit for brains.
As usual you act as if you havn't been proven WRONG over and over again. The link I have provided shows AUTOPSIED GALLBLADDERS THAT HAVE GREEN STONES IN THEM.
Will you please stop lying about your so-called credentials and stop acting like you havn't been shown this information before? Huh? Handled gallstones indeed. Obviously you havn't handled enough of them to have any understanding about their color or composition.
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Midlothian Girl, you may have seen Gallstones coated in bile that looked green - however if you knew enough about the subject we wouldn't be having this conversation. As for disputing my credentials (which I haven't in fact presented), which is a cheap trick, I have worked in a top hepatobiliary surgical unit and also worked for Professor Cuschieri for a short term as a house officer. Professor Cuschieri is, as you should know, one of the top minimal access surgeons in the world.
Mistaken Girl, you believe your opinions take precedence over those who have really seen things. Of course pictures can lie, and I've explained above why in this case. I note again no-one would provide with the details of the Swiss surgical team who provided the images of Gallstones - why I wonder?
looking at the pictures here (now my screen has been repaired) the pictures on this site of bona fide Gallstones look different from the pictures of the products of the liver flush (as would be expected). the pictures from the Swiss surgical team show some gallstones that look green due to bile on the surface - if washed off the stone would look like every other gallstone - yellow-white, black or brown. the "blue" gallstone is just showing refraction - the same principle on which some moles look blue (although melanin is definetely NOT blue) and veins look blue (just as venous blood is NOT blue).
the internet really is a revolutionary development. It takes power away those who formerly controlled information by making such information widely available. it is changing everything. Medical professionals in particular can no longer rely on scare tactics to intimidate patients into following advice. As several of the posters here have made clear recently, outsiders to the system now know more about health and illness than the doctors themselves.
since the understanding of the biliary system shown here is non-existent your comment is completely unjustified
you MAY THINK you know more than a doctor but you are to be bluntly honest deluded. who says you know more than doctors - you? you think that that gallbladder flush produces 2 to 4 cmGallstones - how so when the common bile duct is 8mm diameter max.
Einstein you ain't!
can feel the anger in your post. i feel for you. while you are at it, why not answer some of the excellent and thoughtful posts above (the ones you ignored).
for someone who claims to be so smart, you appear a bit slow. my fun with you ends here, good luck. I hope you overcome your anger and insecurity issues.
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