but, what about the red blobs, the black blobs, the yellow blobs and the white blobs. what about other lab reports that show cholesterol/bile/calcium? what about people who get stones without oil, like my mother in law. please tell me how, in your OPINION, the lancet article addresses these issues?
my point was about the green blobs that seem to be what the majority of people pass. since red Gallstones are rare as hen's teeth (linked to antibiotic administration - rifampicin or a third generation cephalosporin), and gallstones only come in yellow-white, black and brown normally I think you are really struggling now. Just accept that green blobs are not gallstones johng rather than divert the issue.
i do not accept that they are formed from oil either. i saw my mother-in-law's stones, and I know she got sick before she could drink the oil. if you give me an explanation as to how that could happen, i'm all ears. otherwise, i see a hole in the lancet theory, at least one, and until that is explained, i hardly see anything as conclusive. that coupled with other lab reports of cholesteral/bile/calcium.... sorry, too many unanswered questions.
until liver flushing has been fully and fairly explored, i will stick to my own experience, and the experiences of people who i trust. afterall, you go with what works. I have strong hunch that lancet dropped the ball here, but, don't have the time or money to do it right. but then again, i don't have to. i flushed clean, and it doesn't seem like the lancet is stopping anyone from flushing here and elsewhere, so does it really matter? like I said, after having so many negative experiences with doctors, and finally having something work (flushing), i'm in no hurry to take the lancet as gospel. i go with what works, especially when there are holes in their story anyway. not too concerned that its "unscientific". no one is ripping me off, and no one made any money off me with flushing, other than the grocery store. so everyone is happy, and it worked as described.
john g
ps. how is your nearsightedness? any improvement yet? its funny, the other day i saw a posting for another liverflusher that his vision had improved markedly... how about that... (I know Iknow, subjective,unproven blah blah blah).
very good idea - ignore any evidence that suggests that green blobs are not gallstones. and the posters here have the cheek to say I'm not open-minded? faced with evidence you just conveniently ignore it
hardly. if you read my message, i told you i'm witholding judgment. i know based on my experience that the lancet is missing a few things, so, while i'll keep it in mind, that's hardly the end of the story. isn't that open-minded? it could very well be that the oil causes some sort of sludge to be expelled from the liver that forms into stones, but that the sludge is not in "solid" form until it hits the gi tract. who knows? i don't lose sleep over it.
besides, as i told you before, i'm done flushing anyway, so for me its a bit academic, i don't get stones anymore. but, i don't hesitate to recomend it to others. in fact, several people in my office have started. we'll see how they do.
the Lancet article does not bear that theory out. You really are wriggling out of this. Well on my first topic of debate I have won hands down - what shall I turn to next? The "Zapper"? (Snake oil salesmanship par excellence)
won hands down? i don't see how. trying to cut and run before you have to answer the hard questions? please explain how the lancet article proves it wrong... i don't see it, and I see the lancet article as fairly weak. the lancet article raises a good argument, but that's hardly the end of the story, as much as you would wish it so.
frankly i see the lancet article as more a political piece, to cover their "scientific" ass for the "letter" they previously put out. must have caught quite a bit of heat for it.
as for the zapper, sorry, i don't know the first thing about it and don't care. its not holistic as far as I can see. real holistic medicine is not concerned with parasites, bacteria and the like. that bs is for the mainstream, zappers are just mainstream light. like drugs, and most doctors, the zapper does not address the causing of illness, just the symptoms. its not the bugs silly, its the terrain.
johng you continue to be bloodyminded. green blobs have been analysed and they have been shown beyond any REASONABLE doubt that they are not gallstones, sludge or anything else like that. so there are no hard questions johng. green blobs are not stones - end of story. close the book! take it to a second-hand bookshop!
so, the lancet analysis is somehow different than lab reports that show cholesterol/bile/calcium.... and reports of calcified gall stones? why? just because its the lancet? maybe that's important to you, but frankly, makes me doubt it. so we have contrasting lab reports and you assume one is correct and the others are false, based on what? did you perform the lancet tests? where you there? how many people flushed? how many times? and again, what about cases that don't fit the test, ie, stones without oil. why is it you can't answer these questions?
So you are sticking to your script that green blobs are Gallstones in the face of the evidence? Show me the evidence that green blobs are gallstones - rather than the hearsay that passes for evidence on this site. The Lancet is a peer-reviewed journal. Your only gambit now is the Conspiracy theory - I would stick with that if I were you.
Without the conspiracy theory you have to concede that green blobs are NOT gallstones.
peer reviewed.... exactly, had to retreat and protect their reputation. because the evidence is not conclusive, i keep an open mind.
my opinion? I think people are flushing something out of their livers and gallbladders. and recovering their health. just because you don't understand it does not make it impossible. I did, i saw my mother in law do it without oil (i know you can't explain this). people here report flushing all manner of things, black, white red, calcified ect. are they lying, or just too stupid to know its not scientifically possible.
i'm open minded... some green stuff might be oil, but that hardly explains the whole story. hardly conclusive. its a story of one woman, published by a medical journal. big deal. same journal probably posted studies of the efficay of vioxx. who cares.
Oh so some of it might be oil now? You are making a specious argument. If oil, Epsom Salts and lemon juice produces no stones, why would Epsom salts alone? Don't bother answering tho - you are just denying the plain facts.
Green blobs are potassium carboxylates! Viva la green blobs!
since you won't answer the many questions posted to you, and instead resort to putting people down and dodging the issues, one can only conclude that you lack any real answers. hot air doesn't equate to truth. how many people have you cured of gallbladder disease? without cutting out a gallbladder?
Any (sensible) questions that are related to the Lancet article I will gladly answer. I just find your unwillingness to believe the Lancet article faintly amusing esp when you claimed previously to be open-minded.
I have cured plenty of people of gallbladder disease. How many of the people liver flushing have gallbladder disease? Not many.
That's the best way to claim great success - treat the healthy like Hulda Clark !
you didn't read my post. i said 25 of material was unaccounted for. hardly complete or thorough research i would say. so, you can fiddle with the razor for yourself.
antibiotics don't really treat anything honestly. cancer is one disease, with many manifestations. you can classify it all you want. in your above message you indicated a willingness to defend the mainstream use of chemo. the articles point out its widespread abuse and ineffectiveness. I'm surprised you would even try to contest that fact as many mainstream doctors agree with my statement.
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