If you Prophecy you are a Prophet. Jesus was a great Prophet. He phophecied many Things. He was the Son of God. He was our Savior and Redeemer. Because of Him we we can live again. There is no other way.
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This statement is a judgement, made by supposed information and little knowledge of the times/culture/place. As Jesus said, judging is not our place, and if we judge then we must accept that we will be judged by the same merits.
Consider also the long term of their mission. How many converted to Judeaism and then moved to Isreal to live and work? We don't know this information, we only know that they became Jewish. Someone had to be there to see to that part of the church (The Way as they called it) and lead the people of the community. Why do you thin Jesus choose such a man as Paul for the ministry outside of the Isreal area? And members of the disicples did go outside the Jewish people to preach, just not as much as Paul. Perhaps they shouldn't have originally thought that the teachings were for Jews only, but each one had his own ministry to head.
There is more then on side to consider before commiting to a theory of right or wrong.
I hope you except being corrected graciously. He is not called the Son of Man because he was born of woman. Please read god's wrods and learn Truth. Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
Moses 6: 57
57 Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge, who shall come in the meridian of time.
Moses 7: 35
35 Behold, I am God; Man of Holiness is my name; Man of Counsel is my name; and Endless and Eternal is my name, also.
Avejoe, could you possibly give a summary of how you understand all that? I can look up and study these verse any time I wish, but I cannot get another's input at any time. It would be nice to have your own understanding of what these verses say and why it's important.
My post was prompted by another poster's denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. They stated that Jesus is just a man, a creation of God.
The scriptures quoted in the post are all proofs of Jesus' diety. The importance of Jesus' diety is the very cornerstone of Christianity. If Jesus were merely a man, God forbid, than there is no God, Heaven, hell, eternity, nothing. Its really depressing to think that this world is all there is.
My post was prompted by another poster's denial of the diety of Jesus Christ. They stated that Jesus is just a man, a creation of God.
The scriptures quoted in the post are all proofs of Jesus' diety. The importance of Jesus' diety is the very cornerstone of Christianity. If Jesus were merely a man, God forbid, than there is no God, Heaven, hell, eternity, nothing. Its really depressing to think that this world is all there is.
Amen and amen again!! The idea of Jesus is man not diety comes from the fact that he was born on earth and not sent down (like discribed in revelations). What is not understood, and I just learned, is that none of the mother's blood transfers to the unborn baby inutero. The make up of the blood is supplied by the father's side of the genetics and all blood is supplied through the plecenta. Nutrients and such are transfered to the placeta and from there to the baby. So, even though He was born as all men are born His entire makeup stayed divine. It's amazing when Science proves the divine, isn't it!
The Pastor of the church I attend (nondenom.) put two and tow together!! It's aknown fact about the plecenta, at least for those who've learned about it anyways! :) And he just put the rest of the peices together. It's known that Mary was the Virgin Mother and the the Holy Spirit came upon her and she concieved. The rest came from what is known about biological functions and pregnancy. Some day I'd like to know how he came to put it all together.
That's interesting. I'm not very knowledgeable of all of the aspects of pregnancy. Just for clarification, I believe the Bible shows that Jesus is fully man and fully God. Is that the way you understand it too?
Yes. Jesus is fully man in His conception and birth. He was concieved from a woman unfertilized egg. So it was His father Yehweh that provided the second half that's essential for a human to be created in the womb. The father's part also provides the building blocks for the system that transfers the oxygen and nutrients to the baby through the plecenta. That's the part that brings Jesus into the same arena as the rest of us, born the exact same way.
Jesus is fully God in the same way. The plecenta also works as a barrier between mommy's blood and baby's blood. Mixing the 2 would cause awful problems. So there was nothing from the fully human mother that transfered to her baby son. Jesus' birth was quite simply the most perfect balace between normal human and divinity. The way the woman's body works for pregnancy is what made God made man at all possible. It gives food for a lot of thought, doesn't?
WE are the sons and daughters of God the Father, (Heavenly Father). Jesus is His Firstborn in Heaven, His oldest son. Jesus is our spirit Brother. We all lived in Heaven before we lived here on earth. In heaven we wanted to become like our Father who had a gloified body of flesh and bones. A plan was presented whereby we could become like Him, Heavenly Father. This plan would be that an earth would be created, Jesu Created the earth under the direction of Heavenly Father, where we could come and gain a physical body and go through lifes experiences and grow and progress and prove to Heavenly Father that we could obey his Commmandents when we where on in His presents. In God's plan we would have Free Agency to choose whether to follow him or not. In Heavenly Fathers plan men would commit sin and become unclean. No unclean thing can dwell with God in Heaven so there was provided in God's plan a way to have our sins forgiven. For every sin there is a penalty. In His plan someone would come to earth and live a sinless life and then attone for the sins of Mankind, which means he would pay the penalty for our sins and die for us. He would pay the ultimate Sacrifice so that we could become clean again and return to Heaven and live again with God our Father. This Attonement could be compared to getting a loan or encuring a dept that we could not pay back. The law determines the loan must be payed back or person who can't pay the dept. must suffer the penalty which for example would be to be put in Prison. Jesus is compared to a kind benefactor who steps in and pays te loan for us. Because of this we are indepted to Him and them must do those thing he has asked God the Father asked His Eldest Son to cone to earth and do that. Jesus, who was Jehovah in heaven said, I will go down and do as thou hast asked and the Glory will be thine forever. Satan, or Lucifer was also there. He was the Son of the Morning. He opposed God's plan and said, I will go down and force every one to obey the commmandents and everyone will return to you and because I will do this I want the Glory. Many liked Satan plan. There was a vote in Heaven. 1/3 of the God's spirit children in Heaven chose to follow Lucifer. There was War in Heaven and Satan and his followers where cast out. They now tempt us to do evil and not follow Jesus. Jesus Christ as part of the Plan was born here on this Earth. Heavenly Fathers implanted his Seed into Mary, a virgin and she became pregant. She bore a child who was called Jesus Christ. He is the only begotten Son of God in the Flesh. His Father was God and his Mother was Mary. Having God as His father he was able to accomplish his divine mission. He lived a perfect life, committing no sin. He took upon Himself the penaly for the sins of man. He layed down his life and took it up again Three day later where he now lives in Heaven with God the Father. He and the Father are One (in Purpose.) Jesus prayed for the Apostles and said, Bless them O Father that they may be one as We are one. He sits on the right hand of God and is our Mediator to the Father. He took upon Himself our sins and payed the penalty for our sins if we would repent and follow him. To make his Attonement active in our lives we have to repent or turn away from sinning and follow Jesus and keep His commandents or do the things he has said to do. He is the Son of God, Our Savior and Redeemer.
Concerning your religion, could you help me out with the answers to these questions?
If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to turn white when they become Mormons? (2 Nephi 30:6, prior to the 1981 revision).
If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)
How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)
If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon Gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a God? (Doc. & Cov. 132:17,37)
Why do Mormons emphasize part of the Word of Wisdom and ignore the part forbidding the eating of meat except in winter, cold or famine? (Doc. & Cov. 89:12,13).
Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (Doc. & Cov. 124:56-60).
If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50).
How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon's while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (1 Kings 5:13-18 and 2 Nephi 5:15-17).
Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (Doc. & Cov. 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324).
God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies?
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Elohim is a plural term. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
Elohim is Hebrew for God. THE God of the Old Testament.
Elohim is interperated as Head of the Gods. Jesus is not God the Father. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost and 3 different people but one in purpose. The Holy Ghost is a Spirit Personage while God the Father and Jesus Christ have gorilied Bodies of Flesh and bone.
Holy Father, keep through thine own name those (the Apostles) whom thou hast given me, that they may be one,(in Purpose obviouly), as we are one (one in Purpose).
9 I apray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which bthou• hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the aworld, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be bone, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and anone• of them is blost•, but the son of cperdition•; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my ajoy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the aworld, but that thou shouldest bkeep them from the cevil.
16 They are not of the aworld, even as I am not of the world.
17 aSanctify them through thy btruth•: thy word is ctruth•.
18 As thou hast asent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I asanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither apray I for these alone, but for them also which shall bbelieve• on me through their word;
21 That they all may be aone•; as thou, bFather, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be cone• in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Learn the Truth and Live. It is in the Scriptures.
The trinity as taught by the Christian churches is false and a deception promoted by Satan.
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