If we go by what feels good and right to us we learn by using our selves as initiator and editor and can blame no one for our mistaken interprtations and choices. However it can be so selfcentered to be in danger of becoming myopic. We would revel in our own success' and discoveries. Certainly a brave and powerful way to approach things.
The oposite tho is in seeking out and learning from the experienced, the adepts, the craftmasters in the subject area, makeing one's journey safer and quicker w re to what it is one is trying to achieve.
If you have trouble understanding something, or responding to something, to the degree that you want to ridicule it, you might be better served to cut it up in small pieces and then work with each piece. Analyse why you feel it to be worthy or unworthy.
Tho the new age --- moniker is a pertainint topic also to me (I'll pretty much debate anything if I think there is value in its outcome).
I would say at least you are checking out things and giving an opinion.
I think it was you who had mentined the emaciation so that was one thing but the other was really concerning Mercolas body typing concept.
Actually, I know for an absolute fact that hemp seeds and goji/wolf berries are also complete protein foods. Also, I believe soy is poison and shouldn't be consumed unless fermented (aka miso).
I am contemplating a fruit diet also, with the addition of local fresh wheatgrass and herbs such as grape leaves, rasberry leaves, strawberry leaves, dandelion flowers/leaves, mint leaves, etc, etc, without killing the plant, just picking off leaves. :-)
I believe in the fruit diet, and breatharian/sungazing concepts. But I have found in my research (http://www.animalinfo.org/groupind.htm - lick on ape links + http://www.animalinfo.org/species/primate/pan-pani.htm) that all primates - gibbons, chimps, + bonobos (which we are 98% genetically similar to), orangutan , gorillas, all eat honey and eggs. Except mountain gorillas, who don't eat eggs and honey, the 600 mile away gorillas that are a separate species do eat eggs and honey.
Diet of bonobos -
" Fruits form the bulk of the bonobo's diet, but leaves, pith, flowers, bark, seeds, honey, fungi, eggs, and invertebrates (e.g. termites, caterpillars and earthworms) are also eaten. The bonobo has been observed to eat small mammals, including shrews, flying squirrels, and small antelopes such as young duikers. However, unlike the chimpanzee, the bonobo has rarely been observed to actively hunt for meat. It captures most animal prey individually and opportunistically, rather than during a group hunt. The bonobo does most of its feeding in trees, mostly in the crowns of large fruit trees, although it also forages on the forest floor. The main feeding activity, in the morning, is usually concentrated on fruits. In the afternoon the bonobo may switch to less energy-rich, more fibrous foods. (de Waal 1997, Kingdon 1997, Nowak 1999, Macdonald 2001, Burnie & Wilson 2001, WWF 2005) "
If anybody can find a site that has references to scientific documents saying there are vegan primates other than the one kind of gorilla, I would like to see it.
But also, I am a member of a website group that the main guy eats only fruit, and has for ten years, and has videos of himself doing pullups with 90 pounds hanging on a chain off his waist, so it is possible to get very strong on just fruit...
Good luck to all with UT as I practice that on and off.
Not to belabor this aspect, certainly because I think we agree, there are small primates like lemurs and some soley tree dwelling monkey specis who eat only leaves (as opposed to those who eat mostly fruit) but they have intestinal creatures that help break down the cellulose for them.
They also sleep a lot.
Also the vegan concept, at least the one I know of, disregards honey because its considered stealing not because of its properties which are only nectar ( tho MH calls it bee spit), which I think to be super vital,I kept bees in the past, and the 1000 ad culture of predominate diet honey eaters in Ecuador recently discovered , intriques me.
Not at the moment. I think I first read about them in some publication in the last two years. They were only recently discovered, their remains that is, on the coast and upland in Ecuador. They were supremely pacifistic and so they got wiped out at some point. Part of the archeologists interest was that they, like the Moche culture farther south, made thousands of figurines and masks, all individual and highly stylised. They have been labled the honey culture because the evidence so far reveals that their main food was honey.
Although there was a honey culture it was not called that because it was thier main source of food but because they used honey in thier rituals and medicinally!
Honey is known at least for 12.000 years. Especially in Egypt a honey culture was widespread. Honey was used for ritual and medical purposes. From Greece we know by Hippokrates about 300 diferent honey remedies.
Yes, and many here have shared how honey was the prefered wound dressing, in past times. I first heard of its theraputic useages from Jethro Kloss' classic Back to Eden.
However the culture I am refering to is as I said, a very recently discovered, in historical terms, culture living in Ecuador in South America and they had , to the conventional investigators view, a most sohisticated honeybee husbandry. They apparantly ate as the primary foodstuff, honey and various adaptions of it. Also it was determend to some degree that their religion was sophisticated , non-exclusive and peace oriented.(eating honey just might help create such a natural reality revealing culture)
As I mentioned this is a "new "discovery and may not be that easily found if one is so interrested. I will look to find my source so I can follow thru with this.
BTW As I slightly referd in the previous post I kept bees in the early 80's and enjoyed it immensly . One of the best books on honey is the primer ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture by A.I. Root , one of the fathers of modern bee husbandry.
As you talked of the use of honey in rituals and medicine from ancient times it is also of interest that the earliest record that I ve heard of is from " stoneage" times of cave/petroglyphys in Europe of honey gathering.
I think your tale is a myth ! Humans are not insects we cannot survive on such high level of any kind of sugars! We would burn out in a few years! I do hope you can find some real reference to this as I find it very unbeleivable!
I have been looking and attempting to find the source for that arceology dig in Ecuador but havent had any success yet. I am hoping some others also saw the information and can share the source.
However just because the investigators said these peoples lived mostly on honey doenst mean it is true. This culture was approx a thousand years ago, so theres a lot of guessng involved.
We are very similar to insects and all creatures with regard to our organisims need for protein building and energy production. If you study body chemistry you find that our systems breakdown carbohydrates into sugars, so as to use them. On a cellular level we live on sugars/glucose ect ( thats why we give glucose IVs to the very ill), the only drawback is that our systems were set up to extract it and if we only take in sugar our other systems can become affected by production of insulin and or by disuse, mainly the eliminative system, but it is worth knowing this as some try juice diets not realising the important role fiber plays in keeping certain systems functioning well. ( This is not considering for discusion eating large or constant amounts of simple sugars and how the insulin itself and its production swings stress the bodies systems.)
No burn out from simple carbohydrate eating. Thats the modern day,sugar blues,myth.
One of the huge problems with fruitarianism, which I have practised long-term and am in principle in favor of, is that it is promoted by this sort of mis- (or even dis-) information - The Fruitarian One has not been eating only fruit for 10 years, and he says so himself. Only recently he was eating stuff like bottled salad dressing from a store - I don't consider that to be an all-fruit raw dietary. What he sayas is that he has been "on this path" for 10 years - that can be interpreted broadly, and, in this case, should not be interpreted to mean that this person has been eating nothing but fruit for 10 years.
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