(YOUR only answer to this question can be either 1 or 2, nothing else).
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You don’t go around killing all the people the Bible says to kill for various transgressions. You have not stoned and adulteress or done any of the hundreds of things that you are commanded to do.
I DON'T APOLOGIZE THAT I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL MURDER ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
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I'm not familiar with the exact verses that you are referring to, I will admit that there's some harsh judgements in Leviticus and all over the Old Testament and wars in the Old Testament, I could even imagine that it would be possible for you yourself to find a reference in the New Testament (please make accurate reference).
Not that the reference would matter (it may matter to you), but it certainly would not change my decision to simply REFUSE any PERCIEVED command to do so. Yes, I read the bible, it tells me how to HEAR the word of God THAT WE SHOULD LIVE BY. The bible is the word of God from 2000 years ago. The word that I live by is the word of God that I HEAR from God's spirit today and lives in my heart and conscience (mind). I think God, He is in my blood and bones, He runs through my veins and is every heartbeat and breath. I LOVE GOD, the bible is a book, not something to love (and you shouldn't fear it either, in case you do, God will protect from it).
Of course what I've said here resembles the ravings of a madman, and it will not necessarily make sense to you, but love goes beyond rationality and that is what TRUE Christianity (love, not mere faith) is all about (NEW Testament Christianity). The only true way to love God is to also love His offspring (every person on the face of this earth,...and each person's salvation and spiritual growth is a matter of THEIR HEART).
I am not a "doormat" Christian whose cup (heart) is not full, but my cup runneth over, if you prefer a worldly understanding of scripture, then you'll have to go to a church building (that is why we're here on this forum, not to be the kind of Christian you despise).
I DON'T APOLOGIZE THAT I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL MURDER ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
Then you are not following the word of God, as you claim.
Exodus 22
18 "Do not allow a sorceress to live.
19 "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death.
20 "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed
What about Exodus 31:14 “'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death”
So, what you are saying is that you choose to interpret the Bible any way you want. Even if we could point it out to you,
“ it certainly would not change my decision to simply REFUSE any PERCIEVED command to do so”, so it is back to the old pick the parts you like and discard what you don't like. My niece does this with her food, leaving behind what she does not like and eating what she does like. However even at her age, she knows that she is actively selecting what she wants, something you cannot admit to yourself. She does not delude herself with the fable that God is telling her not to eat onions and peas, you delude yourself with this comfortable lie and then feel free to justify your actions.
You don't think I love the bible? Why would you think that?,...because I clearly said that I love God, not the bible? (you're catching on).
You think I pick and choose and won't admit it? Why, because I said I simply REFUSE to obey what you say are commands that I SHOULD carry out? (I don't love God by COMMAND). When you love someone, you care about their WISHES, desires and feelings, they don't COMMAND you. If you think I pick and choose, well, you can make your own decision. That really shouldn't be hard to do, but I won't give you the answer because I take offense whenever someone is being predatory (trying to convict me, more than agressive, I never did anything to you), I'm simply going to let you advertise how intelligent you are and not give you the satisfaction of crucifying me (I'm not going to be convenient for you). Not nice of me, you say? I'm not the 'doormat' kind of Christian that you feel safe attacking, I'm the "you'll get more mercy from God than you will from me" kind of Christian. Unbelievers are so consumed with their objective of crucifying the Christian because Christianity offends their conscience and their ego, that, in a situation like this, I just can't resist the temptation to mock them back (actually, it's my mixture of a mean streak and a sense of humor).
You are comparing the relationship with regular people to the relationship you have with God? You care about what your friends feel, if you believe in God, you obey without question. So yeah, you are a hypocrite, you pick and choose what you like. And maybe you can't admit it because you lack the capacity to recognize it, either because of an intellectual or emotional failing. The result is the same, you make claims but you have no follow through. The Bible is the word of God, so, and it is the recipe by which you come to know God. So if you love God (in the Christian perspective) you must love the Bible. There is no middle ground. You take offense at being called for what you are? An Unbeliever. After all you don't believe the sections I pointed out to you. Why? Because it is inconvenient to you. I don't need your answer to know what you are, it is obvious to all except you. You become conveniently blind when a mirror is held up to you – maybe you are a (metaphorical) vampire and can't see your reflection. Probably a sign of Evil.
I would never expect mercy from you. Cowards never grant mercy. I on the other hand WILL grant you mercy – just like God would. So, 3 guesses on who is closer to God?
Wow, you must be jewish. That is how they percieve the bible. Do it or die. (commands not love) and now you are closer to god too (no doubt because you *DO* believe you are better than the rest of us as the jews are prone to do), eh? How generous of you to grant mercy for us mere humans.. *rolls eyes*
If anyone is an agent of the enemy it is you.You are the one who is perpetually telling us about conspiracies about illuminati, aliens, UFOS and other garbage.All designed to created doubt and dissent in the faith of followers.Aside from being ridiculous, it marks you as an enemy of Christianity.Granting mercy is far better than not granting mercy as BTDT would do.Granting mercy to the weak, sick, old, those in need it is a the hallmark of humanity.Being sub-human you would know nothing about that.
You are also an enemy of free society, with your thinly veiled post fomenting bigotry, and calls for a racial war are intolerable to a free and democratic society. Any other groups you want us to hate? Blacks, Hispanics, Hindus, Muslims? Maybe you don't like Ginger Kid?
I am pretty sure Cor doesn't love either god or the bible, only the sound of his own 'reasonableness'. I do think he is jewish, so of course he would be far more familiar with the old testement, hence he knows all the ways the original jews justified killing each other and us too, eh?
I don't find you to be at all unreasonable, but I have also found dealing with Cor can make one get more than just a little irate, because he doesn't really ever address issues, he just keeps accusing you of new irrationality, etc. from your previous irritated post. He is a pro at distraction and creating defensiveness. I think he must either well trained or just used to defending himself from intelligent parents in his family of origin. Such well honed coping skills are usually from such roots, in which case his childhood homelife musta been hell. Perhaps we should feel sorry for the poor fellow...
Wow!The bigot speaks again.How long before we hear you call for a Holy War to kill all enemies.What a wonderful argument, you think [sic] I am Jewish so I must be wrong.I am not Jewish, but even if I was the argument is valid and I am right.But since you are a hate mongering bigot, anything that may be Jewish is evil.How very Nazi of you.
Like I said you are still smarting about your loss in a previous debate, which is why you bring it up.Trying to make your in this forum now.
I am kinda agreeing with ole' #54423 in his thought that you are in fact some sort of plant for the NWO (a.k.a. illuminati a.k.a. ex-high priests of Israel) bunch if not one of them yourself. Especially the way you overreacted to my posts about the history of the world I see. The NWO for sure doesn't want anyone to know how things really went down. It makes them look like a bunch of idiots.
In general though, you make all sorts of mean-spirited accusations which aren't at all founded in reality, but aren't really disprovable whenever someone else doesn't agree with you. And my god! HOW many hours do you spend here every day?? And who is paying your bills??
That is the one and only reason I gave up! I just didn't have time! So topic-wise, I didn't feel you even came close to b-slapping me. I was frustrated, for sure; irritated, definitely. But in reality, all you did was call me names and insult my intelligence and my beliefs but I never saw any proof of your own; just wall to wall opinions that YOU hold which you bizarrely seem to believe are 'facts'. You are nearly impossible to debate with for that very reason. You get all arrogant and smug, thinking you win, when in fact you haven't even come close to proving a thing other than you are rather delusional about the value of your opinions.
That is what makes this type of topic so difficult to debate also. YOU can't prove me wrong (and of course I can't prove you wrong) so you have to resort to bullying and insulting and acting all superior to try to get people to believe you (and side with you out of fear of your turning on them too, I would bet). So, no, not bitter at all, just happy to point out how out of touch with the way you come off here on this forum you actually are. I love helping, just like you, eh? :)
I have a job too. I have the advantage of not being a worker drone, being highly efficient at work and having the freedom to do as I choose. I am also connected to the max and can 'connect' to my computers from anywhere in the world, at any time I wish.
You are another conspiracy nut, mixing extra-terrestials, Nazis, Catholic Church, Bilderberg, the Mint and nearly every other Group into your paranoid fantasy. The kicker the less evidence exists the more certain you are about the conspiracy.
I am just going to combine my answers to all your rantings here. :)
First off, if you are part of the new world order bunch/jewish, then yah, I probably am your enemy. I stand for humanity, not the subjection of them by a bunch of egotistical tyrants like, well, you for example! You are so acting like one of them, with all your hate-filled pronouncements and judgments of other people, looking down on us poor dupes (read sub-humans) as you do so, it seems to me. And people like *you* are the starters of holy wars; a forte of the NWO bunch, for sure, just pointing out the crusades as one fine example.
Actually I don't hate any group, although I do find some of the tenets of some cultures to be pretty reprehensible, especially when it plays out with people like you slam-dunking anyone who won't agree with you, just because you *know* you are better than all of us sub-human types (since we aren't jews or in on the NWO plan like you, after all eh?) And although you may not be jewish, you most certainly think yourself above us all, so you have bought into their party line, it seems. Although I am guessing you probably are jewish from all you've said, you are going to have to deny it now because it will weaken your position waaay too much.
So no, I am one of humanity, not with a lot of pride necessarily, but entirely human none the less and every bit the equal of any new world order stoogie who may or may not be jewish.
Even your choice of words describing all the rest of us who actually work for a living speaks to that overweening arrogance of yours. "Worker drones" What snobbery. The NWO must pay pretty well eh?
And boy, those overlords of yours must really want to keep the history I see under wraps, the way you keep hacking at it and insulting me about it. And conspiracies?? If you don't see at least one then boy oh boy that dumbing down of America is really working well! Of course they want to discredit anyone who isn't taken in by their whitewashed version of what happened and is happening even as we speak!
All you need do is look at the patterns going on all around us. Everything from the current medical fields/insurance/HMO’s misinformation and extreme overcharging, to the effort to take away our guns and big dogs, to the GMO foods that slowly are sickening us every time we eat them, to the slimy centrals they are spraying across our skies to sicken us even further, to the constant efforts to make us feel helpless and needful of government intervention (what do you think all those frivolous lawsuits that the people win like the McD.'s coffee burning them) to protect us from not only bad biz but more from ourselves, to the energy 'crisis' that is entirely made up to get the rich (and you can believe a lot of the NWO bunch like the Rockefellers are in that group!) richer and get rid of the middle class, to the deliberate sabotaging of our voting process so their stooges like GW Bush get elected, plus the way the ‘impartial’ (yah right) media keeps trashing on anyone who speaks their mind about their opinions about things that they don't want talked about, to the 'created' terrorist threat so they could start getting rid of our constitutional rights (but really is just a way to get control of and keep track of all the citizens who might cause problems).
Oh they are trying like crazy to get a hold of the internet too, with all their scare tactics about pedophiles getting to *YOUR* child. It is all manipulation. You hear only about guns killing innocents. What about all the times a gun has saved someone's life?? Not a peep about that, eh?
So, if you don't think there is some kind of pattern thing going on here to bring America to its knees, then it must be a really deep hole your head is buried in. Of course, you already know all this Cor, don't you? But it is your job to keep us from pulling our heads out of the sand, isn't it? Luckily most people are still prone to obeying such a rabid authority figure as yourself, and so mostly you are successful, I think.
And you didn't even come close to beating me in the previous topic. You presented only your opinions and that is about all anyone can, in this topic.
We usually see what we believe, not the other way around. We create much of our own reality. If you believe that everything is a grand conspiracy, you will find plenty of evidence to substatiate your views. I do agree, however, that there is manipulation in govt.
What is up with you and the Jews, anyway? Did you have some bad experiences when you were younger? Did you have a parent who had prejudicial views and you just carried them on not knowing any better or wanting to please them? My personal experiences with Jewish people in my life have been overwhelmingly positive. A little 4th grade classmate, my (Christian) sister's Jewish husband and his family, and numerous friends and colleagues throughout the subsequent years. Because my personal experiences have been so positive, I have found any gross or broad prejudicial comments against Jews to be completely ridiculous and not worth my time of day. When one has personal (one on one) experience with any member of a group that one has hateful pre-conceived notions about, it becomes impossible to continue that hate, because you are no longer ignorant. Hate is basically based on perceptions that are not in fact true. Yet, many of us hold onto them for dear life, as we feel they define us.
You can take your religious beliefs and either let them nurture you, or let them destroy you, and you seem to have chosen the latter. The core, base message in Christianity is love of God and fellow man. Simple. So, one either embraces that core message and chooses to live their life by it (regardless of any perceived wrong-doings on the part of any other group or sect - in other words, BE love) or you can comb the scriptures looking for anything that will sanctify hate you already have in your heart. Properly understood and practiced, Christianity (IMNO) should lift up, unify, bring joy, peace, tolerance, and it is THOSE ideals which will bring you the salvation you so covet.
Quite fortunately, the average Jewish person doesn't act like they used to. They have bought into the whitewashing too, and are forgetting that they should hold themselves apart as their religious laws strictly instruct, hence your positive experience with the Jewish people of today. It is kind of a backlash the leadership (a.k.a. illuminati/new world order) wasn't expecting. It is making it harder to get them to feel the usual persecution that was the glue that held their culture together. They are no longer the willing tool against the gentiles they have been in the past. In general, as I said before, I don't consider the average joe Jewish person to be a part of this, and hence I don't have anything against them. I am sure I would like them as well as I like any other person.
BUT when they get this attitude like our good friend Cor here, I don't like the behavior I see displaying. He has earned my dislike, and it is very much in line with what I see as the way the high lord wanna-bes usually act, and it fits so well with the developing pattern of the NWO's take over bid of the USA. Can it be just a coincidence that all those things that are destroying the viability of the USA are all happening at once?? I didn't see any plan/conspiracy until I got my double masters in Systems Counseling and started seeing how there seemed to be a bigger picture to all these many little things ripping away NOW at the heart of what was the best country in the world.
So, the focus of my dislike is on what the new world order is up to. And they are the ex-high priests of the Jewish people, which I can very clearly see as originally not human. That is why they do consider themselves better, because at the outset, they may have been. Of course they aren't any longer but such arrogance is hard to shake I guess, even though we have whooped their over-lord wanna-be behinds quite a few times over the several millennium they have been here.
That kind of thing is what Cor would be here to prevent receiving any credibility if it ever came up. This forum would most likely have such information presented because it is about the origins of humankind. As viciously as he attacked not only what I was saying but also my intelligence and very worth as a person speaks to me of his need to silence me or make me look like an idiot. That would be a plant's job on this forum; Keep the truth from surfacing about where we all really came from. So even though I may sound a bit on the loopy side, keep what I said about our origins in mind. When the government finally admits to and introduces us to the greys, what I have said will definitely seem more believable, I think.
The New World Order - a one world government? After the total collapse
of the Iron Curtain, something that Christians prayed for for decades? And
now they are even more afraid than they were before. Your world is filled
with nuts, and not the good kind either.
Anyone believing that we are headed for a "New World Order" is
living in utter fear. Fear is what controls the religious right, the
fundamentalists of all religions, even though the bible is filled with
"fear not" statements. Fear is what the religious leaders feed
to you so you will continue to fill their coffers with gold. That
is the NWO. You are a part of it, and you don't even recognize it.
Your putrid hate has no place in a Christianity discussion board.
I wouldn't expect someone who has bought into the dogma of the Christian church to be able to see an overarching plot of any kind, even if they tripped over it. The NWO bunch a.k.a. illuminati are the ones who created your illogical religion after all, so don't you think they would have made provisions for just this kind of blindness?! Christianity has more holes in it than a strainer, and 'faith' is what you are told to hold it all in with. And then you are trained to accept what you are told and never question, especially about things that require your 'faith'. I been there-did that and my life is way much better now without all the guilt-tripping and control the church tried to lay on me. Why do you think people like Dr. Dino are able to take advantage of you guys so easily???
And I think my world is filled with pecans, although an occasional walnut makes an appearance. :) So the nuts are actually quite good.
And umm but I am not posting on a christanity board. I am posting on evolution/creation. I wouldn't ever on purpose post there. I have beaten that horse to death and don't feel the need to go in and rabble rouse. But if someone can't post the truth they see here on these forums, then it is getting to be a sad day indeed.
Anyway when they introduce the greys to us all, I am guessing it is going to make a lot of 'christians' shift paradigms without a clutch. Not a pretty picture. But remember what I have said. I bet you will see them (NWO) attempt a take over of America within the next 5 years; that’s how far along in their plotting I think they are.
One reason I don't think the government will ever admit to the existence of greys because of the technology UFOs utilize. As you know UFOs employ antigravity. I suspect it would be a threat to the internal combustion engine.
While I don't hold with christian tenants much, I do think for sure that aliens walked among us in the past and that memory of them remains with us in the form of various 'myths' like the giants, but also the elves, unicorns, and other beings we 'know' of thru fairy tales, and other stories.
I am guessing the government will admit to the greys, though, because they are building us up with all the media stuff, like movies & TV shows. Also there is a huge influx of 'alien' images into the pop culture, like 'fun' jewelry and ads that use the greys/spaceships for a humorous take on things, etc. There is just too much attention being given to them for it to be a coincidence, I feel. They may be doing the introduction as a way to consolidate power here, i.e. scare the bejeebers out of Joe average and then show him that if you go with the NWO bunch, you will be on the same side as these otherwise 'superior' and scary aliens. I am guessing it could be quite the motivator for the average man/woman.
Also I wonder how scientology is going to take that revelation, as one of their most prized and closely held secrets is that they are supposedly in communication with the aliens. Of course it could all be the same house, different doors, eh?
Right that makes sense. People never make up stories, never exaggerate and humans are not capable of fiction. It is people like you that would write on ancient maps 'There be monsters here'. There is a reason why we use the term 'fairly tale' to denote a fictional story that is outside the realm of possibility, you hope to take us back to the backward “demon-haunted world” of ancient man with your stories.
The gov't will never admit to greys because the do not exist outside the imagination of a few writers and their gullible believers. Frankly when you see the infighting among between municipal, state, federal and all of their perspective departments – not only against different levels of governments but different departments. These people could never get their act together to get anything done.
The can't even take pacify a small country with a few trouble makers. Is this part of the Conspiracy too? Is anything NOT part of the conspiracy?
Let me clue you in on something – fiction is made up. The X-Files is not a documentary. There is no N.W.O., and adverts are designed to sell products that is all. While I have no doubt your feelings are real, but they are not facts and they are not based on facts. Learn to differentiate between feeling and knowledge
Of course you could claim that this is just part of the conspiracy to make it 'appear' there is no conspiracy. It is usual for you PCTs to claim the lack of evidence of a conspiracy is proof of a conspiracy.
Scientology is the product of an alcoholic, cheating, wife-beating science fiction hack. He managed to pull one of the biggest scam by convincing his victims that a simple galvanometer (the infamous E-meter), had the power to guide their spiritual growth. The only thing the heads of scientology are in contact with is their greed.
People pull information from the racial unconscious all the time, and those images of those beings who lived on earth previously are all in there. Just like Mozart who said he wasn't writing the music, he was just copying it down, so do other people do when they tap into the racial unconscious. That is what it feels like. Information or music or whatever just flows in your awareness, for you to use as you see fit.
Obviously you will never have that experience since you don't seem to have any contact with *your* feelings, Cor. That is a prerequisite. Or of course you may feelings carefully hidden away and are just be trying to keep us from being in touch with ours since this realm is so very dangerous when you consider the NWO's need to keep their plans so secret or face the rage of a very pissed off and armed citizenry.
And believe me, with only slight psychic skills, you just see right thru them.
I have found so much of this stuff is pure gut instinct (which you wouldn't recognize if it jumped up and bit you!) and a very clear vision of what used to be, there in my mind's eye. I can feel the reality of it, just as I can feel the reality of my past lives, just as I can feel the reality of the sub sandwich I ate for lunch. I am very clear about the difference between feelings and facts, and between what I am seeing in my mind's eye and what I see thru my physical eyes. I am not confused by the difference.
Also I don't in any way shape or form pretend my opinion is a fact. What I say here is my best estimation based on what I see and feel thru my connection to the racial unconscious. But of course YOU will never know that aspect of your spiritual self. You don't know what feelings are for the most part, much less what spiritual competency requires, I am guessing.
And there is more than just physical and mental competency required of us these days. We also need to be emotionally competent and spiritually competent to be wholly and fully human. We humans have been limped along with only the first two for most of our history, but finally we are learning how to stretch and grow in those other two areas also, despite naysayers, rabid authority figures and guilt trippers like yourself.
And once a person starts to grow spiritually, they start to notice the racial unconscious (also known as the Akashic records) and other less physical world things like seeing the past or future, spirit energies wandering around (ghosts and such), connecting to past lives, and other things the NWO bunch (mostly thru religious control) have robbed us of which is actually our birthright and heritage as a sentient species.
Overall, I don't think you are competent to judge anything about the spirit realm or even anything about the sanity/emotional realm. You of course are free to try, but I only hear someone terrified of personal growth and of being fully human and so are trying to squash anyone who continues to stretch and grow despite your scorn.
There is no “racial unconsciousness”, there is no evidence that it exists, there is not mechanism to suggest its existence and there is no reason to believe in it.It is just another pacifier that keeps you from crying at night asking for your mommy. It gives you a feeling that you are special, maybe because without this fantasy you do not feel worthy. The feeling that Mozart describes is similar to what is described by all those who have achieved mastery in their chosen skill.It comes after years of dedication to their craft; it has nothing to do with your supernatural beliefs.The fact that Mozart wrote original music is proof enough that he wasn’t copying anything.
I am fully aware of my feelings, but I use my reasoning skills, my intelligence to differentiate between feeling and knowledge.You do not seem to have this ability, like a madman you are a slave to your feelings.Little better than a wild animal. Your psychotic notions of a NWO conspiracy have no basis on reality.You gut instinct is a substitute for ignorance and fear, and your notion of past lives suggests you are in need of psychiatric help.Personality dysfunction or brain dysfunction, or one led to the other; no matter how you slice it, it is not real.
I suggest you study epistemology, and ontology, it may help you in making sense regarding the difference between true knowledge and false notions. You are confusing the two. Your connection is the same type of connection people feel who hear voices or believe that their dogs are talking to them.
You are spending your life creating an illusion, enemies to fight and blame and to compensate you also create this vast spiritual mythos to soothe the feelings that you created in yourself in the first place
“The strong correlation with the scale of Anomia indicates that Belief in Conspiracies is associated with the feelings of alienation and disaffection from the system. Volkan (1985) suggests that during periods of insecurity and discontent people often feel a need for a tangible enemy on which to externalize their angry feelings. Conspiracy theories may help in this process by providing a tangible enemy to blame for problems which otherwise seem too abstract and impersonal. Conspiracy theories also provide ready answers for unanswered questions and help to resolve contradictions between known "facts" and an individual's belief system.”
“Conspiratorial beliefs are useful in monological belief systems since they provide an easy, automatic explanation for any new phenomenon which might threaten the belief system. In a monological belief system, each of the beliefs serves as evidence for each of the other beliefs. The more conspiracies a monological thinker believes in, the more likely he or she is to believe in any new conspiracy theory which may be proposed.”
“Monological conspiracy thinkers do not search for factual evidence to test their theories. Instead, they offer the same hackneyed explanation for every problem - it's the conspiracy of the Jews, the capitalists, the patriarchy, the communists, the medical establishment, or whatever. In these cases, the proof which is offered is not evidence about the specific incident or issue, but the general pattern, e.g., the X conspiracy has been responsible for all of our other problems so it is obvious that they must be responsible for this one as well.”
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