I have been reading all these posts and am very interested to try the cleanse. But I want to be able to ask questions about it. Is there another forum for Andreas' cleanse where we *can* post new messages?
Andreas is no longer active on Curezone. His forums are archived. You can ask questions on the liver flush forum for many answers. For the best source of in depth information on Andreas Moritz's specific techniques, you will need to buy one of his books. Probably "The Amazing Liver Flush" will be your best bet, although "Timeless Secrets Of Health and Rejuvenation also give a lot of valuable information. You can get the books from Andreas' Website or from Amazon.com. I am sure there are other sources as well.
THANK YOU so much for the link!
I have always admired Andreas and this little video gave him
a substantiality, reality, that my imagination could not.
Love you,
Margie
My 20's sucked. Do worry about turning 30. You realize once you get there you will not turn into a pumpkin after all. You may stay looking like one but as you mature you should see a reduction in your self destructive behavior, violent thoughts and nasty behavior towards yourself.
We are all the same. We all experience pain. Just because someone is slim, pretty, acne free does not mean they have no pain in their life.
I struggled every day with depression and had my hardest time around 27...and my final dark day period at 32. Now 36. i got sick of feeling the way i did and began to pay attention to my inner thoughts and to cut a long story short it is really about growing up. I mean this in the kindest way but often times if you have experienced difficulty in childhood there is a reluctance to step into your true self, your adult mind. In your 20's your are working towards your "potential"ta tremendous pressure and when you get to 30 you have already beat yourself up so many times for noy being what you think you should be you start to let go.
It is healthy to be tired. Give up the fight. Notice your inner language and i bet you have a nasty voice in there telling you what a looser you are. Get control of that voice. Be your own parent. You would not let anyone speak to your baby that way so do not allow your self to speak that way to you.
This is better than any diet. This is mental health. This will lead to contentment. Not perfection. You will always struggle with dark feelings but remember depression and anxiety are rooted in repressed anger. Give your time to help others...it stops us from obssessing on our self and the benefits are amazing.
Our stories are very similar. I lived a lifetime of troubles, depression, being heavily medicated for depression all throughout my teen years {even though it is now known that antidepressants are NOT meant for children and can cause "suicidal tendencies" which I HAD, among other horrific side effects}. Side effects got too much so when I was 18 and made my own medical choices, got off the zoloft {cold turkey just like you-and oh if you didnt know zoloft is very similar to paxil}, I was one of the UNlucky ones and had withdrawl so severe it almost killed me. Horrible toxic body from years of the drug, and spent the next few years of my life covered head to toe in painful guttate psoriasis. Felt ugly, disgusting and sick. Since I was no longer on the zoloft to help my mental issues, I dealt with everything by partying like crazy, doing tons of drugs, and drinking. I dont really regret this time in my life because it was a beautiful blur of life, I mean I wasnt just sitting at home depressed at least. I was a raver, a hippy kid, and I truly found a lot of myself during this time. Unfortunately I was only adding to the burden of an already very toxic life. I ate terribly, mostly meat and potatoes, thick with margarine {I want to cry thinking of it now}. I also made the terrible mistake of getting on the birth control pills, which were the start of what threw my body overboard into having terrible cystic acne. Life went on like this for awhile.
Im 25 now. Everything Ive described happened between the ages of 12 and 24. Between age 23 and now, I really began changing my life. Most of the major changes have happened in the last year. I became a vegetarian at age 23. Started doing cleanses. I began with bowel cleansing but I really discovered parasite and liver cleansing in the past year. In the past year I also quit smoking pot and ciggarettes, and drinking. Well I didnt quit drinking all together but I mostly quit partying. I mean I have 2-3 drinks maybe once every two months or so. I used to get blackout drunk at least 3-4 nights a week.
Im sharing all this because I want you to know there is hope. You have feverishly overcleansed your body so much, it is like your body feels attacked. Just reading the writings in your post and it makes me anxious and stressed feeling. That is coming across, and its not the path to healing. You first need to take a step back and realize you have been through a lot and so has your body, BUT you are still young and you can and WILL heal and have a beautiful life. Know this, no matter how hard it feels to believe.
You need to take care of your mind and body together. I recommend getting into something like Yoga or meditation, and really breathing, relaxing, learning to look inside and love yourself and your organs and thank them for everything you have been through. You have so much negativity stored inside of you, and I understand what thats like, trust me, Ive been there. When I liver flush I still feel old emotions sometimes coming out. Im STILL healing from being on that evil toxic zoloft for all those years. And Ive been off it almost 7 years now.
Dont think about "cleansing" for awhile. I believe you will need to flush in the future, but I think you need to get yourself right mentally first. I recommend a simple regimen, a healthy clean diet{high fiber}, some essential fatty acids like flax or fish oils, maybe nutritional smoothies made every day would be good. Do something simple and healthy along with yoga or meditation, and try to stick to it for a little while.
Once you feel more balanced you should do a lot of research to see what cleanses, if any, your body needs. Try to surround yourself with positivity if you can. Ill be praying for you. Please come back and let me know how you are doing, I feel for you so much based on the similarities in our stories. Let me know if you would like to chat sometime ok? I have MSN messenger and email. Just let me know.
Thanks for the input. Ya I think a lot of people have gone through similar things if not exactly. I hope you are doing better yourself as it sounds like you have had a rough time as well. I am doing alright actually. still not feeling great but on the right track I hope anyways.
I'm sorry for your experience but Kevan its not too late to turn it around. If you could read the book by Dr. Robert O. Young its called PH miracle for weightloss.I beleive it will change your life, it changed mine. Its not necessarily for weightloss it applies to everything and everyone in any circumstance. Yes it may sound too good to be true but you can start by checking out his website. PHMiracleliving.com you got nothing to loose and everything to gain. good luck, god bless. Don't ever give up.
Sorry guy, but I had to respond to the PH Balance issue. As a Certified Nutritional Therapist, I have to tell you that the PH Balance information supplied on that site is not good advice. This "doctor" does not understand how the body works, but has taken a basic principal of body alkaline pH and greatly distorted the facts.
First of all, fat is the way the body protects organs by storing toxins in fat tissue and I agree with the doctor about that, but fat is not the demon here. Our genetics have only changed about 0.1% in the last 40,000 years since agriculture was introduced. Primitive man ate about 60% to 80% fat in his diet and lots and lots of animal meats. We are designed to eat lots of fat. FAT is not the problem. That is provided that the source of the FAT is from healthy animals. Eliminating fat is dumb, counter to how the body works, and causes many problems. Myocardial infarction started in the United States in the early 1920's. Something changed, but the problem was not eating too many saturated fats as the ego maniac Ancel Keys theorized, but the changes in our food supply did cause the problems.
ALL Fats in nature are packaged as the three types, saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated all together along with a glycerol molecule to hold it all together as FAT. It is the percentage of each that happens in different foods. Coconut has more saturated fatty acids than the others. Saturated fats are very stable, unlike the polyunsaturated fatty acids that go rancid (oxidize) rapidly. Your heart runs on saturated fats. Your body converts carbs & proteins INTO SATURATED FATS when eaten in excess. Fats are required for good protein metabolism in the body.
To say don't eat fat because of a negative pH value is ridiculous and bad science.
There is just not enough room on this page to go into the detail required to refute this guys contentions, but he is wrong in most everything he is promoting.
In some way I experienced the same crap you experienced for 6 years while living in Toronto (Canada), as you might know by now pretty much all the food you can get in north America is full of toxins unless eating organic food 100%, eating junk food for almost 4 years, and believing on allopathic doctors which they have basically turned into Pharmaceutical labs extension, prescribing all sort of drugs carelessly and using us as a guinea pigs, as a result I ended up on the crazy cleaning frenzy you were as I got very sick.
I did Chelation for like a year with heavy stuff like DMSA, ALA. At least 10 liver flush, probably 20 colonics, actually at one point to get my bowel movements I was relaying only on them, and my life was turning into a nightmare as the problem was not about cleaning which at one point might help the bottom line is called balance, body and mind balance.
As I exhausted everything, from allopathic to naturopathic doctors and all kind of doctors wasting tons of dollars with them, finally I went into Chinese medicine and since then I am a different person.
Chinese medicine is the only medicine in the world and the most ancient one, that really care about you, as they look into balancing you.
As a matter of fact I went once to my Chinese doctor asking about what to eat and he told me I should eat everything as life and balance is based on 5 elements which have five different tastes sweet, salty, sour, bitter and pungent, too much on one of them and will create and unbalance as a result sickness, this is based on eating habits. On the other hand the problem is also about reestablishing the lost balance and this can be achieved with herbal teas prescribed by Chinese doctors and also with acupuncture plus tons of exercise as the problem is energy not flowing free on your 12 meridians.
So please no more cleaning for at least one year, let your body to settle down, focus to balance your mind and body with the help, of Chinese medicine, acupuncture, chi gong, and exercise. Get plenty of sun and fun. From this point you have to focus in your main concerns and starting to build up your endurance from there.
Don’t lost the faith you will overcome your unbalance and will find the light at the end of the tunnel, if you need more guidence just let me know I will help you,
Your symptoms sound very familiar to me. I have recently learned that I have celiac disease. Try going off of wheat for 3-4 weeks and see if you improve. If its not that, I suspect that you are intolerant of many things.
This was 12 months ago so I'm not sure this is going to help, but here we go (briefly).
1) You badly need an advisor. These cleanses are not about excess, they should be used in moderation.
For example, taking epsom salts all the time will not help! It will just dehydrate you (constant bowel flushing) and make you feel bad, it's also bad for your health.
If you have the time/money, maybe even attend a 2 week camp somewhere.
The basic idea is that you need a good advisor, because you're too extreme with the regimes because you have a lack of understanding of them (sorry to be blunt).
2) The reason these cleanses are not working is most likely because of your diet. You're producing more toxins than can be eliminated.
I'm guessing you eat the normal college fair, french fries and hamburgers etc. One of the main things you have to do is prevent taking more toxins into your body, which I doubt you are doing. If you are using a microwave, stop using it, it's deadly. Stop eating TV dinners and any processed food. Don't drink any softdrinks or take anything that has aspartame in it (leads to brain fog and confusion).
I'm guessing this is the main problem. Cleanses without a proper diet won't do much.
I'd recommend a fast for you, but ONLY IF IT IS PROFESSIONALLY SUPERVISED. Seek a nutritional advisor to so a supervised fast. Don't do it alone, whatever you do.
3) I'm wondering if you did one of the most basic cleanses, for parasites. You said you did lots of liver cleanses, any results? If you have candida, ever try something that kills the candida (anti-fungal)?
I'm guessing the main problem is diet however. If you do a raw fruit diet or a (supervised!) fast, I'm sure things would change fairly rapidly for you.
Hi gallbladder and liver flush following andreas protocol to the LETTER is what you need to do ...and you WILL get better ..... guranteed ..... you have been on the wrong path .... BUT READ THE BOOK ... you will be convinced ... do one flush and you will see how many stones you have ..... it will take at least 12....... all the best and don't give up .. I never did.. Andreas has the answer ... follow his program ... it is changing my life....... and i am 2x your age .....
hello kevan,
wow you've been to hell and back. its just not fair how some individuals have such hard luck. the good news is you are one strong and alive person. my advice to you is to try from now on, to lead a very simple life. get lots of sleep, read lots of good fiction, drink lots of water, eat a healthy diet all day long, preferably vegan (needs some studying to get it right, and its possible to eat deliciously too), walk daily in nature, find a passion, even it its 'just' a new and healthy way to live so you can survive and be happy again. from my heart i wish you the adventure of getting well again. most of all, leave all the chemicals alone. it might be a while till this simple way of living helps reverse the damage you've done to yourself, but this the only way to feeling good again. believe me. also here's a gift: go find the book THE POWER OF NOW eckhard tolle. bonne chance mon ami. chrysanthemum
Your story is not unusual. When a person really abuses their body in many ways, especially with drugs, alcohol, bad foods, etc., the body does become toxic. We were designed to remove toxins naturally from our bodies, but not to the extent some people become overloaded with toxins.
It is very important to understand that when you have a huge excess of toxins, the normal detoxing methods can actually create more problems as you have found. Moving more slowly through the process, taking things one step at a time is critical, but the most important aspect is to prepare your body correctly so the toxins that come out don't end up going deeper into your tissues because the body simply cannot get rid of them fast enough.
The very most important part of cleaning up the body is to make sure that ALL CELLS HAVE HIGH ENERGY BEFORE DETOXING. Any scars, traumas, tattoos, piercings, surgeries, injuries, etc. all have to be remediated. This is all very important or you will end up frustrated and not getting the results you are looking for.
For people that have a build up of toxins, but not to the extent you have, they can slide by sometimes without the negative aspect, but in your case, from what you described (and I read it all), you need some guidance and help. It is also critical that you are tested energetically to see the condition of all your elimination organs.
I believe what I've pointed out is what is missing from your ability to recover.
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