The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, (and in every subsequent post that you posted it) your opinion about the 'danger, fear, overdosing, and potential for harm' (in anything besides kelp) has been clearly shown to be false (countless times) by the works of accredited physicians, researchers, posters that have read their information, as well as the experiences of many countless posters on CZ.
Yet you continue to post the same "opinion" after it has been clearly proven to you to be an untruth.
And you continue to defend your right to express your "opinion"...after it's been shown to you to be an untruth.
>>I've stated that low dose Lugol's and Seaweed are my preferred methods of Iodine supplementation. I don't know why that has to be turned into an argument at all.<<
Because when you post regarding low dose/seaweed, you invariably add an untruthful statement about the dangers of iodine, or an untruth about the poster responding (such as me being angry or Wombat being paranoid).
>>I don't understand why there is such an attack on Seaweed, when it has been the time honored method of correcting Iodine deficiency for a very long time.<<
Although you continue to insist that people are attcking seaweed, the truth remains that no one is attacking seaweed. It can contain arsenic (a fact); it must be taken in vast quantities to achieve the 50mg daily that the researching physicians have shown necessary for our bodies to reach sufficiency (a fact). Neither are an attack. Your 'methodology' of posting (such as the statement above) causes readers to assume that other posters have been attacking seaweed. No one ever has done anything but point out the facts for consideration.
>>Trolling accusations?? A little blurring of definitions here, but it seems that if the popular group doesn't like an alternative opinion, one can be labeled as such.<<
It's not a blurred definitely at all. When one has been clearly shown that some of their 'opinions' are untruths (MANY times), and they continue to post these untruthful 'opinions'...that both distract from the truth of iodine AND totally dirupt the flow, integrity and purpose of a Support Forum, that is trolling.
When I, and others, express that we do not handle very much Iodine, this is considered as an attack. It's as though our experiences do not count.
I was on the bandwagon for Lugol's until I found that it did not work at a 50 Mg. dosage, for ME. As I explained, it did work, at first, but then I went HYPOTHYROID. That appears to be happening to others.
We who do not handle these doses do not get angry or deny that YOU and OTHERS are receiving a benefit therefrom. I've seen no one who feels that way. We would like, however, some consideration and understanding.
It seems to be that those who are doing well on 50 Mg. or more are the ones who deny the others, an opinion. I've been wondering why I reacted the way I did, and am trying to find possible reasons. Such as, the possibility of the antiseptic quality of Lugol's affecting the intestinal flora. Also, you well know that Flechas and Brownstein do NOT recommend Iodine for auto-immune thyroid conditions. You must also know that, if you've read Brownstein's book, SOME cannot tolerate but very small doses.
So, telling people there's no such thing as an overdose is irresponsible and untrue.
Attacking me by calling me a Troll, a Liar, Etc., doesn't change facts.
>>When I, and others, express that we do not handle very much Iodine, this is considered as an attack. It's as though our experiences do not count.<<
This is simply not true. If posters say they can't handle much...options, support, alternatives are freely offered.
What is attacked is when researched truths are ignored and 'posted over' with verifiable untruths.
>>I was on the bandwagon for Lugol's until I found that it did not work at a 50 Mg. dosage, for ME. As I explained, it did work, at first, but then I went HYPOTHYROID. That appears to be happening to others.<<
'Tis possible and it's happened. In the clinical studies, research, and documentation of Brownstein/Flechas, lowering doses was common in this situation...but they did not switch to kelp. (maybe it will work for you; maybe it won't) There is nothing to dispute here, nor is anyone disputing it.
>>We who do not handle these doses do not get angry or deny that YOU and OTHERS are receiving a benefit therefrom. I've seen no one who feels that way. We would like, however, some consideration and understanding.<<
I have respectfully and plainly asked you to stop insinuating that I am feeling anger or exhibiting anger, when I clearly am not. (Please go back and read all posts by me today to verify). I am asking you (again) to stop insinuating that I harbor or exhibit anger. I have no emotional concern whatsoever with the dosage level of anyone on the planet.
I have never denied (or expressed anger) that anyone could receive benefits from kelp/seaweed. I am not typically a "cheerleader poster"...although I may smile and feel good that someone has benefitted from Iodine (in the form of Lugol's or seaweed) , I generally don't join the cheering section. I certainly have not expressed anger (nor denied) the possibly/reported benefits of seaweed.
Yet you continue to post that I do just that, when I have not.
>>It seems to be that those who are doing well on 50 Mg. or more are the ones who deny the others, an opinion.<<
No one is denying anyone 'an opinion'...but as you well know from reading my other posts that you have responded to, once an opinion has been proven to be an untruth by valid research & experience - and the person expressing the opinion has read/been presented with the evidence, yet continues to post the same untruths time and time again - the issue is no longer "an opinion". The issue is a known untruth that continues to be repeated.
The level of iodine dosage is not an issue.
>> Such as, the possibility of the antiseptic quality of Lugol's affecting the intestinal flora<<
The article that you posted clearly stated (my paraphrase) --that an overdose of PURE iodine could cause an infection or inflammation--. It did NOT say Lugol's or Iodoral (which are NOT pure elemental iodine). Nor did the article say anything about the 'antiseptic quality of Lugol's affecting the intestinal flora'...because the article said PURE iodine, and the article said nothing about Lugol's OR "pure iodine" adversely affecting the intestinal flora.
If you want to consider/question the possibility that providing sufficient iodine in the form of Lugol's could disrupt the intestinal flora...then the place to do that is the Debate Forum.
>>Also, you well know that Flechas and Brownstein do NOT recommend Iodine for auto-immune thyroid conditions. You must also know that, if you've read Brownstein's book, SOME cannot tolerate but very small doses. So, telling people there's no such thing as an overdose is irresponsible and untrue.<<
I have read/know that iodine is not recommended for auto-immune thyroid; and I have also read that some "tolerate" smaller doses better than larger doses (which can mean the iodine OR the detox symptoms).
No one (of which I'm aware) has ever suggested/recommended iodine for anyone with an auto-immune thyroid disorder, and I'm SURE no one has EVER advocated taking more iodine than what an individual deems 'tolerable'...so your assertation/accusation that I have been irresponsible or offered an untruth about 'overdose' is in error.
>>Attacking me by calling me a Troll, a Liar, Etc., doesn't change facts.<<
It appears (quite clearly) to many posters that the only person attempting to "change facts" is you. Pointing out/illuminating the truth is not an attack; it's simply pointing out a truth.
As you have done in the past, you accuse me of telling lies. Last time, I asked you to just state in capsule form, like 1-2-3, what the lies were, rather than cluttering the post with lengthy rhetoric.
I responded several times last week and told you to re-read the posts to find the answers to your questions. You have the ability to read Iodine literature and express self-competence/confidence in subjects as complex as trace mineral synergistics. And now you ask me to clarify simply posts composed in english.
You accuse me of calling you a liar (which is a word a did not use), but you can't comprehend the posts I wrote last week? then and now? I can't imagine how you could have known/comprehended what you claim, if you can't comprehend the posts.
I will not be drawn into this again. If you want to read my post, they are still plainly visible.
"When I, and others, express that we do not handle very much Iodine, this is considered as an attack. It's as though our experiences do not count."
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
I found I could not tolerate large doses of Iodine right now, and the regulars on the forum have been nothing but kind and supportive. That is because I am not attacking their intelligence or putting down Lugol's. I am honestly asking for help, advice and support and have gotten plenty of it, both through the forum and via personal E-mails.
The only person who ever called me names and questioned my intelligence and honesty (and mental health) was a forum owner who went a little nuts when I asked why his "cure" caused me excruciating pain. The good people on the Iodine Support Forum have been kind and patient with me because they know I am genuinely seeking answers, not trying to stir up controversy and create trouble and hard feelings. I treat them with respect and do not resort to finger pointing and name calling.
Perhaps if you would treat people with more respect and not try to undermine all their self-experimentation and weeks of intense research with scathing barbs and unkind comments, you would be treated with the respect you seem to think you deserve.
By the way, I noticed you are also dissing coconut oil. Are you trying to discredit all of Curezone support forum by support forum? Perhaps alternative health care and natural healing are not right for you.
Hey Hopinso, don't be shocked but I actually found a forum owner that dissed Oil Pulling. I could not believe it. They never even tried it before, yet had an opinion that it was harmful. Are you feeling better these days? (refreshed 48124)
Both Dr. Dennis Hardy and the Barefoot Herbalist have questioned the efficacy of oil pulling, although Dr. Dennis seems to be a little more open these days if I read his post right. Barefoot has also strongly put down Vitamin C and Colloidal Silver, and all dewormers except what he sells. Everyone is entitled to their opinions on the appropriate forums, but people need to use some discretion when dissing the subject of a support forum. Moreless is against oil pulling and Iodine supplementation, fine if he keeps his opinions in his forum or a debate forum.
Not everyone has to agree all the time, even on Support Forums , but they do need to respect the purpose of the forum and try to keep debate to a minimum. It is so easy to make a post inflammatory by adding a few words that tend to make people go on the defensive. Its one thing to say "right now large doses of Lugol's is not working for me", instead of "you people are so wrong and misguided about the way you take Lugol's", or (forgive me Trapper, this is just an example) making a personal attack like "that idiot trapper is gonna die with all that iodine and he's too dumb to know better". The fact is we are not identical in our current state of health, our level of toxicity, or our particular problems. We must learn to respect our differences both in terms of opinions and personal needs and decisions.
I feel my immune system must be in bad shape especially after this bout of Shingles, and I don't think I need to stress my body with a heavy detox. I am doing some gentle cleanses right now, taking immune boosting supplements, and will start Lugol's on very low doses in a week or two. Meanwhile I ordered more Lugol's from JCrows last night-I wanted the "good" stuff; and I paint instead of ingest. The wart-like growth on my knee fell off and is healing nicely after regular painting.
As to how I feel, there is considerable pain from the Shingles especially when I get frustrated or upset, and my legs are weaker than ever, although the back pain is not nearly as bad as it once was.
I think protocols have become a type of religion for some people. Some feel the need to go out and save someone today. I know Trapper got me started by proselytizing Iodine in the OP forum. I'm glad he did even though he was being a little pest at the time. lol
I think sometimes we get in too big of hurry in flitting from one forum to another and don't take the time to reread and get the feel of our post. The tone of our messages are so critical to good communication. I find that the "call em as I see em" people (if Uny doesn't mind me using her phrase) are some of the most misunderstood people (by accident) They are passionate about what they believe in and can be very misunderstood by their stately emphasis on certain issues and their flair for being wordy. Of course when you get to know them better, you bond more and accept it as who thay are and that's what you love about them.
Lifestyles also make a difference in how people perceive one another. I'm not use to men speaking disrespectful to me. That is unheard of in my neck of the woods. But a certain amount of catiness is tolerated from other women. Why I don't know.
Did you see my post about wondering if you knew that selenium could cause a flair up in shingles. I didn't know if you had been supplementing with it or not. It's hard to remember everyone's protocols. I hope you and I both in time, can figure out how to take Lugol's without problems or at least for me to be able to us the detoxified iodine that I have been using to displace halogens. But until then I guess we experiment or stick with the original protocol. Many blessings to you. (refreshed 48124)
I did use selenium for a few days after reading it was helpful. I don't know if it affected the shingles or not. I am not using it now. Everything seems so complicated right now. I do not believe in megadosing anything, and in theory prefer good food over supplements. However, at this time, I can't seem to tolerate many fruits and veggies. Hopefully that will change soon.
It's bad when you feel like your whole body is rebelling. The reason I took an interest in the Selenium was because I seemed to have a few odd reactions to it. At first I thought it may have been the Iodine but after stopping the Selenium, my symptoms went away. If it detoxes mercury like they say, perhaps that was what was causing my constant sleepiness and bad dreams. (refreshed 48124)
in fairness to MH, i have never heard him say anything about humaworm. his favorite target is Hulda Clark (clarkia), both about its price and its quality/effectiveness.
Please stop being so hyper-sensitive. I thanked you for your advice on Shingles because it was helpful. Your attempts to stir up trouble with inflammatory language is neither helpful or healing. I felt sorry for you at first when you posted an article that so many disagreed with. In fact, that is the protocol I will begin with when I start back on Lugol's. What appalls me is the way you put word's in people's mouth and try to incite trouble. Now, that is very unkind and counterproductive to the purpose of these forums. Believe it or not, there is not a vendetta against you. What scares me are your tactics are very much like Moreless' and that fact alone worries me because he thrives on creating disagreements and trouble. He considers it entertainment. I consider it inappropriate and highly immature behavior. We need to seek unity, not division. Very few people here limit themselves to only one protocol. Not everything works for every person, but that does not mean the protocol itself is faulty, just that it is not for you at this time. Mentioning potential problems based on personal experience is fine; however creating fear and uncertainty is something else altogether.
Edit-I do apologize if I hurt your feelings. That was not my intention. I just wanted to point out that the support forum regulars do not automatically turn against people who experience problems with the common protocol. People tend to react more to the negative tone of a post than just to words alone.
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