I just read the post by the poster "Kevin Trufraud".
I will never be mistaken for a fan of Trudeau's, but when I see someone like Mr. Trufraud make a post to the effect that
1. There is no drug company conspiracy,
2. No natural remedies work except by placebo
and,
3. If cancer were curable we wouldn't have to worry about it,
then I have to say that person is either thoroughly brainwashed by generations of lies and deception or an establishment plant.
Such a post is not merely an attack on Trudeau, it is an attack on most of what CureZone is about.
So I say to you, Mister True Fraud, don't just offer up your wisdom in a hit and run post - get out your biology text and drug company ads and come on down.
DQ, give it up. I know there are a bunch of ultra-liberal hippie types on this board, but this guy is mostly right. Natural/alternative cures don't work most of the time. Most of them are scams, including the ones on this forum.
It appears plain that Trufraud is a true fake when it comes to backing up his claim of being able to debunk natural healing. Are you stepping up to the plate to take his place? If so, you are off to a wonderful start when you make the outlandish statement based on mainstream propaganda and put to lie by actual real life experience: Natural/alternative cures don't work most of the time.
On what do you base your misinformation? The RIGHT natural remedies and natural approach to healing works almost all of the time - especially when it comes to the big bread and butter moneymakers for mainstream medicine and Big Pharma - Cancer, Diabetes, High Blood Pressure and Coronary Conditions, Hepatitis and Liver Diseases.
In my experience and that of countless other voices for natural healing, it is mainstram medicine that fails miserably when it comes to treating sickness and illness. Mainstream medicine treats the body as a collection instead of as an organic whole. When this approach is used to fix broken parts and physical trauma, it excels. When it comes to treating sickness and illness, such as cancer, it fails miserably because it tends to treat only the symptom without properly addressing the underlying causes.
The result of this flawed approach is that when we contract a serious condition we enter into a lifetime of managed illness, exiting only when we die. This is a great profit model for an industry whose only marketplace is our bodies, but a horrible one for humanity.
I am not a fan of Trudeau's or saying that HIS remedies are the most effective ones, but he did bring a lot of people into natural health and I have to give him credit for that. Hopefully, they will become interested enough to seek out the best voices and best remedies - because the best remedies do work, saving countless lives every year, often restoring people to good health without the need for a lifetime of managed illness.
For generations now, we and mainstream medicine have been deliberately misled into believing that the only way to treat sickness and illness is to prescribe approved medications, which just happen to be made by the largest source by far of medical school funding - the Trillion dollar plus pharmaceutical empire. That is not conjecture, it is historical fact - all you have to do is check out the history of the IG Farben Cartel and the AMA.
The result is that by the time and average male reaches 65, he takes a combination of 15 prescribed and over the counter medications daily - and it all began with one or two conditions that could have been treated safely, effectively and inexpensively through natural means (source: Jon Barron). Again, great for profits and horrible for humans.
Mainstream medical training for generations has included had very little information about what really is important in treating and correcting the conditions which lead to illness - and no illness enters the body uninvited. Eliminating and avoiding toxins, proper diet and nutrition, clean fresh air, pure water, sunshine, exercise, elimination of the great silent killer - stress, healthy lifestyle choices, and when needed, healthy natural supplements are the keys to defeating sickness and illness and keeping it at bay. Such information has been woefully neglected or else outright discouraged and suppressed for generations.
If mainstream medicine and their evil Big Pharma masters were as interested in healing as they were in making a profit, there would be little need for natural remedies and healers outside the mainstream - because they would be in the mainstream.
"I'll be your Huckleberry", "Step up to the plate"...are you for real? Who talks like that?
I'm so sure there are thousands of secret drug company "operatives" patrolling these forums trying to stop the people like yourself from stealing all of their profits. How do you become a "big-pharma" operative anyhow? Are there secret schools for this? Is it a renegade FDA offshoot agency? I suppose that's a huge government coverup too.
I've personally tried many alternative therapies and none of them have ever delivered what they promised. I've tried the Master Cleanse, Parasite Cleanse, Oil Pulling, vegetarian diet, alkaline diet, Wrightia Tinctoria, and a few others I can't remember right now. I've used them for extensive duration and followed their structure faithfully. While some have shown minor temporary initial results, they all failed to cure my ills, every single time without exception. The Cure For All Diseases , my ass!
While traditional medicine has not cured my disease either, it has given me far better and longer lasting relief from it than alternative medicine ever did.
I wish I didn't have to go to the doctor, I wish I didn't have to take medication and rub ointments all over my body...I really do. But most alternative treatments simply aren't any more effective than placebo treatments. I've wasted thousands of dollars on alternative treatments, much more than I've spent on real medicine with hopes that they would work, but nothing ever has.
If they did not work for you, you were probably using the wrong thing for your illness. It appears that nothing will cure your problem
-> "my ass!".
As far as I can tell, the only problem you have been concerned about is psoriasis which has many different forms. Yours may be genetic for which there is not a cure. Or possibly it is chemically induced and you just have not found the right answer. Even if it is nutritional or parasitic, you have just not found the right way to treat it. Keep looking, the answer is out there somewhere.
>- simply aren't any more effective than placebo treatments.
This is definitely false. There is a serious lack of research in many cases because all of the money goes into profit making drugs.
>- I've wasted thousands of dollars on alternative treatments
Sorry to hear that, but it does appear that you have chosen the wrong alternatives for your problem. Look further and choose wisely.
Illogical and full of argument errors like is customary
It is not mainstream media propaganda that many so called natural herbs and spices (if you get 9 more you have the Colonel's secret recipe) have failed to show any efficacy when scientifically studied. It is not outlandish to say what science backs up, that in many cases these so called cures offer zero benefit or offer very little benefit. It is one of the reason they are so often side-effect free. They have negligible physiological effect. Sure there are success stories, yet these are vastly outnumbered by the empty promises.
Many times natural cures are like psychic powers; they only work when they work, or when no one is looking. You got to love the way DQ hedges his bet "The RIGHT natural remedies and natural approach to healing works almost all of the time"; now if a particular "natural remedy" did not work all he has to say is that it wasn't the right one. They only work when they work; and when they work they work almost all the time. This is the rock solid logic that makes the accusations of snake-oil so prevalent.
Modern medicine has a wonderful track record of success. From polio to smallpox; diabetes to appendicitis, typhoid and cholera. Diseases which used to kill people and now under proper medical care do not. One imagines that there were supposed 'natural cures' for these conditions, none of them worked. Many times these are not cures and the anti-science cabal will yell it out, yet these people are alive and between disease management and death, I feel confident which they prefer.
Natural practitioners and AM claim to treat the body as a whole, this is a vacuous claim. They don't even understand fully understand a single cell, how can the claim about the whole body be treated as nothing more than an empty boast. BTW scientists do not fully understand the complexities of a single cell either, but that is the point; if you don't know the parts how can you know the whole?
It is also a false accusation that modern medicine treats patients in parts. Modern doctors and researchers are keenly aware of the complexities of a biological system. Far more so than the local quack selling cures or the Not Doctors where you get your prescription. Researchers have developed complex computer models that rely on supercomputers to now analyze how one pathway can affect another. Computer time is dedicated to search for possible interactions among proteins. You can be part of this research, for more information click here and check out options under Biology.
There is the old accusation that companies are not interested in natural substances because there is no money in it because it is unpatentable. Again false. All we have to do is look at our pharmacies row after row of vitamins, supplements from various companies. We can then visit our natural health store and see more rows of seaweed pills, kava kava, st johns wort, and so on. And none of these companies had to spend 1 billion dollars to launch a single drug. It is their interest to drum up suspicion of modern medicine to get more people to buy their products.... it is how they make their PROFIT. They are making profit from human suffering. Given the number of companies in this field there seems to be plenty of money to keep them all afloat.
Thanks to modern medicine the average male can now reach an age once only a lucky few got to. We have added about 25 years of life to the average person since the 1900s. Childbirth used to be among the most dangerous experience a woman could have, that is no longer so.
I would be nice if some really effective naturally available cures were out there. What would be nicer is that the companies making these so called cures sponsor universities to research the efficacy of their claims. Otherwise it is just hot air and empty claims.
We cannot blame modern medicine for the aspects of present life and the choices that people make. Doctors and Pharmaceutical companies aren't telling people to smoke or drink, use drugs, destroy their livers, kidneys. They don't stuff calories into people mouths and they do not recommend obesity for anyone. You can't put the blame on pharmaceutical companies because people engage in unhealthy behaviour. It is not pharmaceutical companies that make you fat which carries increased chance of diabetes, various cancers, artherosclerosis, strokes, arthritis, high blood pressure and so much more. Doctors are not blocking your way to the gym or preventing you from a daily walk, they are not removing veggies from your dinner table and replacing them with candy. They are not to blame for the bad choices that people make.
The fault is yours (general not specifically yours) and to place the blame on medicine is illogical, wrong and unethical.
Finally we could argue that you too are profiting from human suffering and it is in your best interest to promote paranoia about modern medicine. By building distrust you profit, you profit by selling your products which are targeted to the sick and those that distrust medicine. The same arguments that you use against Pharmaceutical companies can be used against you.
That is a lot of work to try to bait me into another debate with you, after I thoroughly debunked and defeated you in the Cancer Debate Forum, where I addressed and defeated the same points decisively until you lost control and your posts deteriorated into name calling slurs that neither the members or the moderators could tolerate and as a result you ended up getting banned.
As before, your post is wrong and easily refutable, but this issue has already been waged in the Cancer Debate forum and the results of the evidence and the tally of the voters recorded decisively against you. I refuse to waste my time further or do Curezone the disservice of becoming engaged in another drawn out debacle that serves no one or nothing other than your desire to be contrarian and appear knowledgeable.
I might re-consider if you answered the simple questions I posed in the other forum: Who are you, how old are you and what background and credentials do you have to support your contention that you are knowledgeable or qualified to debate the subject?
In the meanwhile, I will let you ponder and refute the opinions of mainstream's own members:
"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human bodies."
- A. Saul Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine
"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXIS CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefellar Institute.)
"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are outside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin
"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are not charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)
"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till they believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)
"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce disease." Dr. R.T. Thrall
"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the body..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair
"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can create, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler
"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense." Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)
"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." Dr Mark Donohoe
"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own medicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University
"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of trash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D.
"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down the throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S.
"We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it is pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it? Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its well heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professing to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence." Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc.
"After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31,000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox. Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing the vital power and diminishing the natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated" J.W. Hodge MD in his book "The Vaccination Superstition"
"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."
- Gabriel García Márquez
"I don't always go into details about the possible side effects of drugs. I tell them all drugs are poisons with possible beneficial side effects."-Dr Jay Gordon
"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" - Dr. Len Horowitz
"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world."
- Dr.Linus Pauling, in How to Live Longer and Feel Better
"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinking that drugs will make you healthy. Half of the modern drugs could well be thrown out of the window, except that the birds might eat them. Dr. Martin Henry Fischer"
"Unfortunately no. I am very healthy so to do my part, I will save the flu shot for someone who really needs it. I do not want to take away a valuable resource when it might be better served for another person."
- George W. Bush (Do you think he knows there is mercury in the shots?)
Live long, live healthy, live happy!
DQ
"The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them.
It isn't.
What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."
In the Bizzarro world you live in you are bound to think you won . Here in the real world you lost. The webmaster caved in to pressure, I only mirrored your actions. It is clear to all that you began with the slurs and histrionic, the dated messages prove it.
Your cut and paste quotes are cute, yet nothing supports your position. Quotes aren't evidence. Chew on that. I could line up hundreds of quotes that support Hulda Clark but without evidence they are just empty claims, like yours. Quit your quote mining and do some real research.
You keep claiming that my posts are easy to refute, but you seem incapable of doing so. The task is relatively simple and you should be able to manage it. All you have to do is present reputable studies confirming that some natural product cured disease X. Do this for all the natural cures that are out there and then we can see if indeed most natural cures are effective. What your name is, or age, sexual orientation, your color of skin, where you were born, of if you are going bald is unimportant and inconsequential to the matter if you can't come up with the facts to support your assertions.
Until you accomplish this all your claims are to be taken as nothing more than propaganda or a man in search of more customers.
Your questions regarding my information is irrelevant. The information matters not who is presenting it. It is a cheap attempt to distract the reader by changing the subject and hoping they won't notice you lack evidence. Are you having difficulty understanding this? If so I can suggest several websites and/or books to bring your rhetoric up to par. All you have to do is ask.
Third consecutive? That would require a first and a second, neither of which exist except in your imagination.
Why do you suppose that when you go to your profile and sort all of your messages by negative votes, you find that you appear to lead the world in negative votes? Why do you suppose the you were outvoted by a landslide in the other debate that covered this same ground? If the mods and other members here are so wrong and you are always so right, then why are you even here wasting your time?
Merely parroting the company line and the self-serving studies of mainstream medicine and calling them factual is not enough. I posted the comments of doctors because you previously dismissed the quotes of some of the most famous figures and thinkers in history because they "were not doctors". Now you attempt to dodge what doctors have to say as well. Just as you dodge the issue of your own credibility.
Regardless of actual identity, a person's experience, background and credentials go to the very heart of their credibility - especially if they are to have us believe that the so-called facts they present are true. I have made no secret about who I am and if anyone would like, I would be happy to expand further (but if I do, I can promise you that you aren't going to like it). Your refusal to tell us what establishes you as a credible authority and source of information speaks volumes.
Until you do, I will respond no further.
This conversation is over.
DQ
"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense." Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)
I see you have admitted defeat again, in the roundabout way you do. Lacking any evidence to support you position now you try to change the subject. It is a cowardly way of admitting defeat, though I guess you are sparing your ego by refusing to admit you have no facts.
Like an immature child that is always looking for the acceptance of his peers you focus on the votes.Like a man who can stand on his own two feet I focus on the facts.Popularity is not the same as accuracy, at your age you have not learned that, there is little hope for you.Science is not a democracy, you cannot vote on the mass of an electron, or take a poll to see if a drug works.Those things are measured on the weight of the evidence – evidence you sorely lack.
Your rantings remind me of something Roger M. Wilcox wrote about Reich another quack with a faithful following. It fits you just as well:
“… [he] was not willing to stand upon the shoulders of giants. He stood only as high as his own experiences would allow, and from this low perch imagined himself to be a lone eagle soaring higher than any other man had ever reached.”
It is like he met you. It is you to a tee.From the delusions of grandeur and the imaginary foes, Don Quixote indeed – well chosen.Are there some more windmills you should be attacking thinking they are giants?
You keep repeating the same things about parroting company line, but you also fail to come up with the studies that will prove you right that most natural medicines work most of the time.But we both know that most studies point to the opposite.So instead you choose (for the third time) to turn this into a personal battle.Corinthian 3 : Knight Errant 0
Thinking that a persons bio matters in a discussion of facts is foolish. A persons identity is at issue if they present themselves as the researcher.If they make their arguments from authority then their credentials are in play.When they are offering the works of other experts, then they are not part of the discussion.
Your insistence on finding out my background tells us you are not a competent debater, you lack focus, facts and you are prone to ad hominem attacks.You have incompetence written all over you.
I am not dodging debating you, I am refusing to debate you, and after this post am unlikely to ever respond to you again. As any other number of people will tell you, the reason I do not debate you further is that such a debate has already happened, you did not prove competent enough for a rematch, and worse you demonstrated that once you fall behind in a debate, you resort to personal attacks and slurs. That is what got you banned from the Cancer Debate forum - although I am sure that the CureZone mods are thrilled to see you post your version that one of them caved in to pressure.
It is a disservice to CureZone to engage in another such display that does nothing but feed your desire for being a contrarian and draws more attention to you so that you can continue flaming your fantasies of being an authority of some sort. I say fantasies because you continue to give not a single shred of evidence of any experience or credentials that establish your right to portray yourself as an authority, despire repeated opportunities to do so.
The simple fact is that I have a quite busy and productive life and my time is too valuable to waste on rehashing the same debate with you on forum after forum. I currently am working under contract on a major book project, continuing work on three other book projects, conduct constant research, write articles for newsletters and ezines, am in the process of interviewing cancer survivors who used natural remedies, moderate my own health group forum, and have been approached by a Hollywood producer about helping make a major documentary/expose.
As it is, I already spend more time than I should here at CureZone, trying to make worthwhile posts that may help others seeking answers that mainstream medicine cannot or will not provide. I have a book that is featured on prominent alternative health websites, is used as a reference by naturopathic practitioners and has sold in ten countries - and as a result, I have received numerous unsolicited thank you letters from those who believe that I helped save their lives or the lives of a loved one and not one single complaint. That is what I am all about - not your slanderous accusations that you make and certainly not rehashing a debate where you already made a thorough fool and nuisance of yourself.
The readers and participants of this forum may not be familiar with what Corinthian keeps inaccurately referring to. If you were, I assure you that the large majority here would appreciate the fact that they do not have to have their forum hijacked and distracted by a repeat performance.
All we have to do is click on the link below http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=899337#i
and it is clear that you began the personal attacks.The mod caved in to mob rule rather than just follow rules.You keep repeating the same lie, it won’t make it come true, but truth has never been a major concern for you.Votes are what you crave; it is what you need to feed the emptiness.The reasons for repeating the same line ad nauseum is that you hope that repeating the lie often enough will cause people to assume it is true.You are the Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf of curezone?
"In an age of spin, al-Sahaf offers feeling and authenticity. His message is consistent -- unshakeable, in fact, no matter the evidence -- but he commands daily attention by his on-the-spot, invective-rich variations on the theme. His lunatic counterfactual art is more appealing than the banal awfulness of the Reliable Sources. He is a Method actor in a production that will close in a couple of days. He stands superior to truth."
-- Jean-Pierre McGarrigle
Facts don’t matter, you never present evidence to your claims.You just make wild, unsubstantiated claims.Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf you are so used to your lies, you don’t even know when you’ve been defeated.Keep claiming victory; in your delusional world reality is never invited in.McGarrigle is right; lunatic counterfactual art is appealing, cold hard facts never are – keep your votes, I choose the truth.
Your presence here is a danger to those who would follow your advice.You make claims you can’t back up, often claims that have long been debunked.In the face of such evidence you pout and hold your breath as if that could change the facts.Like the character after you have named yourself you live in a fantasy world, facts are not tolerated if they conflict with your fantasies.You are forever in search of imaginary quests, forever creating imaginary enemies.Tilting at windmills like a wannabe hero.
In your moronic attempt to distract, you continue to harp on matters that are not related to the subject of whether you can present evidence or not.My own biographical information will not prevent you from finding studies to back up your claims that most natural cures are effective.You have been given plenty of chances to realize how truly stupid your demand are, you have been given explanations why it is irrelevant.It must be beyond your intellectual capacity because you keep at it.We both know it is a cheap tactic, when I ask for the studies you come back with your demand about my bio – an honest person would simply say that they had no evidence and not try to distract with idiotic demands.
So, it is nice to see a plug.By creating a hostile environment towards modern medicine you ensure greater sales.You target the sick, you are profiting from human suffering so it is in your best interest to keep that river of suffering flowing – your wealth depends on it.Facts would cut into your profits; your strong aversion to them is understandable.
You cannot expect a man to admit to a lie when his livelihood depends on that lie.
DQ, Pobre viejo loco. Espero que un dia encuentres la razon.
Pero tu tambien crees que eres sano. Asi, quien es el loco?
The moderator gave in to mob rule? What mob? Besides, a moderator certainly doesn't have to bow down to mob pressure. She has the magic button where she can ban whomever the offending party is, even if it is a "mob."
Corinthian, why do you persist? It should have been over by now. Your posts have not changed. They are the same accusations, the same misinformation, the same nonsense. This is all "old."
You have already made these very same points. You had a chance to debate DQ and you simply lost your temper, became terribly insulting, and your behaviour was, frankly, unacceptable. You ceased debating a long time ago, resorting to demeaning insults and name calling, not only to DQ, but to others in the forum. You were completely discredited and banned. DQ has better things to do than to waste time arguing with you. He is here to for anyone seeking answers, and any time trying to make you see reason is totally wasted.
Corinthian....A very good and fictional response to DQ..
As you are incapable of recognising that DQ is a benevolent humanitarian then that is your own problem and any debate with him thereafter will only be a futile exercise: hence the reason DQ has declined in debating with you any further. Commomsense should now prevail with further debate being pointless.
DQ...10/10
Corinthian 0/10
Thankyou.
You are spot on. My sister recently lost both her in-laws to chemo-related leukemia and pancreatic cancer. They were both given extremely expensive allopathic drugs and both died before the initial projected time of demise.
I tried to get her to pass on some good natural product ideas like pau d'arco or even a good selenium supplement from a natural source such as brazil nuts in heavy strength dosing but she works in a doctor's office and believes the good doctors know better and the two and four months they each respectively lived were the best chance they had and the family felt glad they had that (limited) amount of time - all I know is I am immediately going up to my parents home the minute I hear anything and I am taking over their treatment.
But not surprising from a family where every member (including a 16 and 22 year old) is on at least two medications each.
It's pathetic what this cancer of society is allowed to get away with for money and greed. It's pure ignorance.
The problem with Medical "SCIENCE" and the reasons Natural Alternatives are better and much more efficacious.........
A young girl whose body was ridden with Osteo and Rheumatoid Arthritis was under the care of a Senior Specialist of Allopathic Medicine for a two year period. In that time the patient grew progressively worse to the point where she was unable to walk. Dissatisfied with this treatment the mother took her daughter out of his care and placed her with a Naturopathic Doctor. Within 9 months the young girl was running and playing with her friends free from any sign of the disease.
The Professor stated that there was absolutely no proof that the alternative treatment worked because there was no scientific proof or a double-blind trial.
The mother laughed in his face saying "what further proof do you need. My daughter is now well and following a normal childhood".
Even though the proof was staring him in the face he still could not accept the evidence of his own eyes.
My own testimony: advanced leukemia in 1975, given 3 to 5 months to live. Sought the help of a Natural Hygienic Doctor who fasted me for 26 days followed by a Raw food Hygienic lifestyle.
The Hospital Doctors who had pronounced my death sentence could find no trace of the disease and said it was a miracle. 32 years later I am still fit, well and healthy thanks to Natural Hygiene.
Alternatives don't work? Come back to the forum when and if you actually know what you are talking about. I am disgusted with people like you.
How about I had to sign up for Curezone just to respond. So I thank you for that!
Do you understand how many conglomerates work? You know, a corporation that has interests in many different industries such as advertising, media and pharmaceutical? They work in conjunction to exacerbate ill health (body dysmorphic disorder comes to mind) and increase profits. How about making a mint on drugs (that are funded to the tune of 50% of the R&D costs by the taxpayers) prescribed for anxiety, depression and a myriad of other disorders of a society whose media makes everyone believe that the normal person looks like an 85 pound model with the pocketbook of a 22 year old singer who can't seem to remember to put on her underwear before she heads out for a night of dancing in a short skirt and making exaggerated exhibitionist movements while climbing in an out of limos.
To say that the only obligation a pharmaceutical company has is to make profits is to say that the only obligation ANYONE (since all corporations are made up of PEOPLE like you and me) has is to take care of themselves and screw anyone else (that's a pretty ugly reality, especially if you ever fall from grace and lose your ability to take care of yourself due to an accident or unexpected medical issue).
In addition, taking into consideration that media and the news are under no obligation to tell the truth in advertising and programming, no wonder our society is in such a mess with the average person being on two prescription drugs, most for life, especially with people like yourself who slam nature (shocking that there apparently is no redeeming value to that in which we belong and have always belonged, while completely trusting that which is made in a lab by profit-hungry greed mongers) as if it was some foreign concept.
Most physical ailments are a direct result of a skewed mental view of our respective temporal bodies as well as major emotional and mental disorders that manifest in the body if they are not "fixed" early on.
Where do you think the root of most prescription drugs resides? Nature perhaps? Naugh...couldn't be there could it? Yep, sure is. So it would appear that you are a shill for a multi-billion industry of deception and lies, all a part of a big web of profits for the few while drugging the masses.
I have been taking natural remedies for almost 20 years now. If they didn't work I wouldn't look and feel 10 years younger than I am.
I suspect that a person/persons within this forum DQ are out to discredit you; judging by the abnormally high number of disagree votes on your posts.
For anyone new to curezone or this forum DQ is THE most respected member within curezone.
I have personally studied natural health care for nigh on 15 years and have been highly impressed with DQ's Knowledge and the the way he articulates that knowledge to others.
Don't be fooled anyone.
Thanks, but while I do know a bit and try to pass along what I know and what I learn, I hardly deserve that heady praise. I think of myself as someone who is still learning - and thanks to many other more knowledgeable souls like yourself, Griz, Trapper, the Applebomb and many others, I am continuing to do so.
When my next book is finished, one will no doubt find the stamp of CureZone in many places. In particular, I have learned a great deal in the Oxygen, Iodine and Oil Pulling forums. For the most part, I just go look in those forums, read and keep my mouth and keyboard shut. Would that some others would do the same in some of the other forums - lol.
Yes, it is odd that no matter what I post in some forums, such as this one, I can now expect an automatic three negative votes. I think I could post that the moon revolved around the earth, which in turn revolved around the sun and three negative votes would appear shortly thereafter.
Does that not strike you as something a childish or petty person would do? Do you think, since one cannot vote for ones self, that perhaps those votes might originate from someone who usually gets two positive votes? Looks like the same positive and negative votes being cast over and over and over, doesn't it.
Another plug, and now you involve curezone and mention some names in order to boost potential sales. You are just interested in keeping people sick, so they can buy the book after that one and the one after that. The same accusations you make of others can also be applied to you.
As for the rest of your post, it is better suited for the conspiracy forum. You depend a lot on that feeling of the outsider / victim / helpless it is what drives many of your followers. You depend (or maybe you know better but profit from it anyways) on the childlike belief that everything happens for a reason, that everything has purpose
You know that all you have to do is yell 'BigPharma', 'profits', 'conspiracy', 'JAMA' and the Eyes and Ears of your followers will be hermetically sealed against any evidence that would be presented. This way is easier, you don't have to spend time refuting the evidence when you can just refute the sources - it is very economical.
So very typical of you to selectively thrift through the evidence and ignore anything that discounts your ideas. There have been cases you where you have stumbled into the facts and the numbers only show the automatic unthinking votes of your supplicants.
I wonder if the negative votes I will get are part of a concerted movement to discredit me? Vote away children, vote away.
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"You depend a lot on that feeling of the outsider / victim / helpless it is what drives many of your followers."
So people who choose where they want to spend their OWN money to treat THEMSELVES (without making someone else a millionaire and suffering side effects at the same time) are now victims? LOLOLOL WOW.
Sorry but I am no victim, not in the least; however, I am also no fool. So why is it when I went to the doctor during a particularly stressful time at work and asked about remedies to help me sleep the first thing she offered was, "Oh there are a bunch of really good medicines that will help you sleep well," rather than suggesting something natural FIRST like valerian root, kava kava or melatonin?
Oh right, she doesn't get any kickbacks from natural drugs.
Ultra liberal hippies! This shows how uninformed you are and how you are not paying attention! 99% of those who post in the Politics Forum true conservative, not neo con liberals which you seem to be!
You said you've tried these certain protocol but to me it sounds like you only dabbled in them! What is it you are trying to correct anyway?
Any fool can make a blanket statement yet the facts show the success rate of those seriously applying alternative methods out performs establishment toxic drug protocol and causes no harm, while establishment medicine is the leading cause of death in this country !
You say you are an expert on alternative cures, but unless one follows the guidelines completely to most good protocol no progress can be made!
You say you.ve tried vegetarian diet,but that means little except you dont eat meat you can say you are a vegetarian and still kill yourself with junk food or vegetable or foods that have zero nutrition in them, creating your own failure and blaming the name vegetarian !
You right though a lot of these alternative protocol fail but only because those who fail because they are misinformed or do not have the patience to truly follow the guidelines thus it is not the protocol that failed but the person themselves!
Most Americans are lacking in fortitude and geared to expect instant results setting themselves up for failure!
That's what shows how uninformed I am? I figured it would have been the thousands of wasted dollars and years of suffering trying alternative cures that don't work that would prove I'm uninformed.
I never said I was an expert, where did you get that from? You're the one who said I was an expert. I guess you're not an expert either, but I bet you think you are.
Where did you get any of your information from? Everything you said was wrong; every little bit of it; I mean, how can you get everything wrong? Even a 5 year old should get something right simply by the law of averages, but not you. You truly amaze me.
Neo-con liberal...are you serious? Did you learn that in your political Science class? Can you register to vote neo-con? Didn't that die in the 80's or was it the 70's?
Why are there always people like you who resort to personal attacks when you don't have anything good to say? You don't know me, you don't know what I've tried or for how long. You don't even know what ails me, so how can you claim that I haven't done these things? What do you know? Please tell me, I really want you to get something right. Anything!
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