As the tides come and go, as the rivers flow and flow, is it not among us, that the devine we are born with is the signature that tingles our souls, and the pearls of life with in us, you my friend surely knows.
As we stand upon the precipice of our futures of sons and daughters and love, that we are the spark that ignites us, not some, oh, I told you so!
There was no male bashing at all, except in response to the female bashing, and at that, the worst that men were called was "dead-beat". There was a huge spate of female bashing that started from the very first post on this thread. If you don't think calling all women whores, jezebel, stupid, incompetant, etc., is not bashing, I don't know what it.
If a single woman gives up her child for adoption, the new adoptive parents become financially responsible for the child, and the original parents no longer have any control over that child, so I cannot see why a couple with a newly adopted child should ask the birth mother for support. Once a child is no longer your legal responsibility, it is no longer your financial responsibility. However, if that child is NOT adopted it IS still the legal and financial responsibility of BOTH birth parents.
I have no argument with you in that the "Christian" marriage you are describing, of the woman being totally beholden to the man, does not exist in this day and age. You are correct about that and thank God, too. However, your interpretation of Jesus being a liar and a sinner because of this is just hogwash, and I believe Twinkie gave you some scripture to counter your Misogynist views.
Twinkies' verses have not disproven me at all. If women want support for the kids, simply leave the children with the man. The man should not have to pay for children that are raised against his wishes. Period. And if man must remove the vote from women to do it, so be it!
It is still better advice for women to learn how to close their legs instead of forcing men into slavery. The fact is that women's lib has done nothing but weaken families.
What about the man throwing on some latex? It just sounds like you want to take no responsibility for prevention whatsoever. Don't you realize that by doing that (not taking the steps you COULD take to prevent a child you do not want) that you are giving your power away to the very ones you don't want to have any power - women and the courts! Think about it.
If man truly took no responsibility, you and I would not be here. A man assuming total control over the family means he has the responsibility. A man does have to answer to other men.
twinkie,
in cold,calculated,controlled situations i totally agree with you,but in real terms that is not the case.no, we have sexual excitement,emotions,drink,drugs, etc. etc.
you'd have to be a pretty naive female not to be aware of all those factors,yes?
the point i made was because of those factors the female,(that bears the child) irrespective of the males responsibilities, must prevent having a unwanted child.
we are all blatantly aware it takes two but at the end of the day if she is as irresponsible as the male. the the conflicts begins.
what our friend is saying (in his own terminology) is that the female in most cases not only keeps the child, (it part of her she reckons) but also has the male paying for the babies upbringing (suddenly the babies his), she is then given a home to shelter the child whilst the man finds his own.we then have a situation from all this where the father has 'toe the line' or else he is prevented from seeing his child. which means then that he has to go to the law to gain his rights.
if the couple have no compatibility then eventually john doe comes along.
for the father we have now a conflict of interest, so on it goes.
the situation for the mother hasn't changed much at all has it?
she has the child, child support from the father,a home, john doe, etc.etc.
the father he has to pay for his little bit of nookie,accept all what i've just said
and then try to start a life of his own.
if that situation happened some 50 years ago the male and female would not be so reckless would they? good life isn't it? tomi.
I don't think I'm being naive at all. The simple fact is nobody makes you drink or do drugs, nobody makes you have unprotected sex. Those are all choices and choices each party has to take responsibility for. End of story. Those are just cop-outs.
I do understand that there are women out there who target men and try to live off child support, welfare or what have you. The majority of women are not like that. Most women do not seek out men to trap them only for child support money. Let's not fool ourselves...no amount of child support can pay for a womens monthly expenses. She would have to have a lot children in order to bring in that kind of money and on top of monthly expenses she still has to take care of the children...school, clothes, food, medical care etc... You say how hard and unfair it is for the man, what about the woman? My parents got divorced when I was born and I am an identical twin. My mother had not one but two children to take care of by herself. I think my father paid her, maybe $200 a month for both of us. Do you think that even bought groceries? Eventually my father remarried a woman who had 2 children and he was so busy taking care of them that he couldn't afford to pay his child support. My mom thankfully remarried after several years and she had some help but even though she was married there were years where times were tight and my mom didn't know how she was going to pay everything and still buy us what we needed. She could have used help from my Dad. I love my Dad and didn't know this was going on as a child. We have a wonderful relationship but I know that he didn't do what he was supposed to do, his children should have come first. It's a mad cycle. The father of his step-children wouldn't pay his child support so my dad had to compensate and didn't have the money to pay his own child support. So if you think that the man who has to pay child support gets screwed and the woman gets off scott-free, that is very far off-base.
My original point in this post is not to say that women don't trap or scam men or to say that there are not women out there like that. My point is that all women who receive child support are not soccer-mommy whores and super sluts that spread their legs to pay the rent. Women do not deserve that comment. It is disrespectful and demeaning and just out right uncalled for. There are hard working women and single mom's out there who deserve that child support, who need that child support to support their children. When a man (or woman) doesn't take care of their child everyone suffers, especially the child.
The men you might wish to compromise with just happen to be sitting in a jail cells because they lost their jobs. The Great Whore expected them to simply pick the money off the money tree, and guess what, there's no such thing as a money tree. I believe you've mistaken me for them.
I don't compromise. I want the complete and utter defeat of all forms of power given to women. You women might have been wiser if you had instead chosen to be less greedy with the man in jail, but I personall don't think you have the intelligence or aptitude to do anything more than provide the lesson for more and more men to agree with me - better no power at all to the woman than a man in slavery.
Well numbered one, I guess if you have accomplished nothing else tonight at least you have found a place to bleed
I don't know if you are a regular member of CZ or not, but you are more then welcome to drop your bomb on us, we have huge shoulders.
The collective wisdom here at CZ is beyond the most profound of the most profane.
We can only attempt to help you absorb and distribute the acute pain of you and many others who so need to find shelter and comfort!
In my darkest hours I was alone with no recourse. C 'est le vie!
In the wide and vast loneliness of the universe who can we turn to but ourselves.
I shed your tears, I feel your pain!
If you bleed I bleed, if you exult in the wonderment of life I do so also!
celcius,
there was i expecting abuse when i see your name. instead the real you appeared,
i am flabbergasted, i will not forget those comforting words, tomi.
Ah, so now women are more responsible than men. Hmmmmmm. And please, how does her saying that both parties are responsible translate to her putting it back on the man??
The more I read this thread, the more I am thinking y'all are getting a bit of what you deserve.
No, obviously not. . . . I was responding to this:
"i know this much, if i were a women i would (knowing man not being a 100% reponsible being) take preventatives, in respect of becoming pregnant.so what does that say about the women who has fallen into that trap (it takes two to tango, but it only leaves one holding the baby),tomi."
You are calling on the woman to take 100% responsibility for something that should be each partner's responsibility because the man is supposedly "not a 100% responsible being". It is the double standard of years gone by. Note that I am NOT saying it is the man's responsibility, just saying it is just as much the man's responsibility as the woman's. If you want to be in charge of your own destiny, then by all means, do it when it counts - BEFORE things get ugly.
sans sucre, hi there,
no i don't suggest that woman is 100% RESPONSIBLE, of course not, but woman are left to shoulder the responsibility if the outcome is negative. in that sense they leaving the onus on both parties m/f, then i believe that's naivety on their part, tomi.
I understand what you are saying, Tomi. And, yes, the ultimate responsibility (in reality) has to lie with the female if she does not want a baby because it is her body that gets pregnant. My argument is only that I feel it is a cop out for the man to just say "boys will be boys", and blame the female for an unwanted pregnancy because he is also in charge of his own body and can take steps for the pregnancy to not occur if he does not want it. If a man absolutely unquestionably does not want his partner to get pregnant, it has got to be up to his own self to take the necessary steps to prevent it. If the female does not want a pregnancy, it is up to her to make sure she is adequately protected.
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