If you guys want Corinthian to go away..then take him up on his challenge.
do it..prove him wrong. Come up with an answer to each of his queries.
Do not mention evolution, do not debunk it. You have the floor. Put forth your evidence other than the bible and the phrase "I know this to be true in my heart"..just prove to us and him that there is a god and he created us,the planets..everything.
Now is your chance...let's see what you got. If you can show us something tangible,there will be a lot of converts, including myself.
I dont think you understand mysterious numbered one! I make no claims that the theory of creationism holds water ! Its a religious philosophy ,but with the leap of faith that evilution requires it is only a philosphy also! Its a matter of choice one religion or another ,! My problem is evolutionist claiming evilution to be a hard Science which it is not if there is no physical proof of its claims!
Corrie has not to this day proved his religion is anything more then a leap of faith but he continues to thrive for consensis that it is a fact, an undisputable fact that man evolved from another species! Much of the biological science called evolution is correct and interesting to know but it in no way proves evilution!
I also look at the premise behind the forced teachings of evolution and why it is not taught as it should be as nothing more then a philosophy and not the hard science its inforcers claim it to be! Follow the buck is the old saying that can also be interpreted as follow who has what to gain by enforcing one belief system apon another and as I look at history something evolutionist refuse to do I find evil incentives all over the place to drive home the consensis of evilution!
Just like the deadly allopathic medicine that corrie subscribes to evilution has its roots in some very toxic soil!
I found your problem.... nothing proves Evilution because it does not exist. I know your spelling sucks, as does your grammar, that usually implies a deficing in reading skills. It may be the reason why you have so much trouble understanding a simple concept. Now, grab your helmet, put on the label on your jacket that says “My Name is Celcius” and go to the Library. When you get there, ask the person in charge to give you an easy book on EVOLUTION. If you are having trouble understanding it, ask any child in the vicinity to help you out. By now even you should have realized that you are learning nothing by reading stuff on the internet; you need someone to explain it to you. Maybe a course at your local elementary school.
Religion and science have very few points of intersection, and evolution science like all other sciences cannot be classified as religion. I guess we can consider science to be a philosophy as it encompasses a method or rational inquiry and logic based on evidence, inquiry. I doubt that Celcius knows what he is talking about, he seems to be unaware what “physical” means since he is ignoring the thousands of fossils, genetic profiles, base alignments, geological data, as well as evidence from chemistry, physics, mathematics....
Then again, given his positions on other aspects of science from his blind adherence to his illiterate master, to his ignorance of microbiology... I am not surprised by his lowly opinions.
Maybe the reason that he is opposed to evolution and science in general is that he is so poorly educated (formally and informally), as all studies have shown the less intelligent and educated the person the more likely he is to oppose science in general.
You cannot defend your position so you focus on me as usual! To bad you spend so much time doing so because if it does anything at all it exposes your frustration at being so inept in studies in other fields such as political Science or history!
Its obvious you are unable to connect the dots that points evolution and the allopathic cult to its founders and thier corrupt intentions!
I've tried to point these out to you, but you are so obsessed with your affliction you are beyond help! So call me names, no matter it means little to me except how impotent your message is!
see what i mean? you poor souless soul! intelligence is not a cup that is filled, but a fire to be ignited ! you corrie are so filled up with wet damp mush nothing could ignite a fire in you! you still believe in a paradigm that is dying fast and you are just stuck in the mud watching everyone pass you by!
For me the best evidence for creation is creation itself. The complexity of every living organism screams design. A single cell, for example, is far more complex than anything man has ever designed. Each cell contains a genetic code, which contains information roughly the equivalent of 4000 encyclopedia books. It would require about 10,000 human cells to cover the head of a pin, and each human being is composed of more than 75 trillion interacting cells! The idea that this could come about by randomness is just absolutely ridiculous. It is so obvious to me that the universe was set up to be inhabited and that man is truly cherished.
Guys all this is fluff!! The reason people follow and believe in evolution is there IS evidence supporting the claims..
there are things that you can hold in your hand..there are new discoveries,new theories on old ideas,new Science to find answers..
Not so on creationism..all you have is the bible..and your faith
Nothing more.
Guys, say what you want about Corinthian, but he is the one making sense, he is the one who has the answers to your questions..not only does he try and debunk what you believe, he shows you sound science on his beliefs.
You guys do not show any evidence on your theory..
And you know why, because you can't.. it is impossible.
Now if god were to come to earth and proclaim his works..then we can say you guys were right.
"If you guys want Corinthian to go away..then take him up on his challenge.
do it..prove him wrong. Come up with an answer to each of his queries."
We do but he continues to ignore our logical explanations, answer with irrelevant answers.
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It only makes sense to you because you have been taught to not question it !
You cannot prove in any manor that one species or type has ever evolved into another! You cannot prove that man is an offspring of any other species! This is the premise of evolution and its claim to fame yet you have no proof, no more then the creationist does! You may chose this to be your lifes philosophy but it is just that and no more! To me evolution is a tool of evil intentions and history can prove this to be true if you have the guts to persue this line of thinking and most people stewed in the religion of evolution refuse to do so! Evolution is not fluff it is much worse becauses it is force fed to us at a very young age and continually reinforced through our lives by those with a political agenda! To know evolution one must understand how the world works and who runs it, it is not the benign creature it is portrayed to be! I think only a fool would be naive enough to believe otherwise! To except evolution for what the authorities claim it to be is to place your head in a dark hole and hide from the truth!
Not only can it be proven in any manor, but can also be proven any house, casa, villa, castle, fort, apartment, condo, hut, tent, yurt, and even outdoors.
In your ignorant close-minded manner, you have already decided that evolution is evil, and thus you can't afford to ever admit that you are wrong. Any evidence that proves you wrong, it automatically labeled as false, deceptive, evil... it is all you can do to defend your paranoid delusions.
Can you tell me where I can find information on where the amoeba came from. Also, on where the atom came from an the explosion that caused the Big Bang?
There are plenty of books that delve into the BBT, read them yourself. You will find far more cogent explanations and evidence to support it than you will to support the idea of Divine creation.
Here is a good starting point
# Charap, J.M.: Explaining the Universe: The New Age of Physics.
# Dolling, L.M., Statile, G.N., Gianelli, A.F.,: The Tests of Time: Readings in the Development of Physical Theory.
# Ehrlich, R.: Nine Crazy Ideas in Science: A Few Might Even Be True.
# Hawking, S. and Penrose, R.: The Nature of Space and Time.
# Ikenberry, G.J.: After Victory: Institutions, Strategic Restraint, and the Rebuilding of Order after Major Wars.
# Adams, W. and Brock, J.W.: Adam Smith Goes to Moscow: A Dialogue on Radical Reform.
# Additional Reviews and/or Endorsements for Lemonick, M.D.: Echo of the Big Bang.
# Additional Reviews and/or Endorsements for Rees, M.: Our Cosmic Habitat.
# Arnett, D.: Supernovae and Nucleosynthesis: An Investigation of the History of Matter, from the Big Bang to the Present.
# Johnson, K.S.: Governing the American State: Congress and the New Federalism, 1877-1929.
# Kragh, H.: Cosmology and Controversy: The Historical Development of Two Theories of the Universe.
# Lemonick, M.D.: Echo of the Big Bang.
# Lemonick, M.D.: The Light at the Edge of the Universe: Dispatches from the Front Lines of Cosmology.
# Levin, J.: How the Universe Got Its Spots: Diary of a Finite Time in a Finite Space.
# Munitz, M.K.: The Question of Reality.
# Peebles, P.J.E.: Principles of Physical Cosmology.
# Polkinghorne, J.C.: The Faith of a Physicist: Reflections of a Bottom-Up Thinker.
# Quinn, H.R. and Nir, Y.: The Mystery of the Missing Antimatter.
# Rees, M.: Our Cosmic Habitat.
# Rothman, T.: Science a la Mode: Physical Fashions and Fictions.
# Arnett, D.: Supernovae and Nucleosynthesis: An Investigation of the History of Matter, from the Big Bang to the Present.
# Bertulani, C.A.: Nuclear Physics in a Nutshell.
# Cornell Lab Ornithology: Cornell Lab of Ornithology Handbook of Bird Biology.
# Kragh, H.: Cosmology and Controversy: The Historical Development of Two Theories of the Universe.
# Kragh, H.: Quantum Generations: A History of Physics in the Twentieth Century.
# Maoz, D.: Astrophysics in a Nutshell.
# Park, D.: The Grand Contraption: The World as Myth, Number, and Chance.
Thanks Corrie for the book list, however, I prefer not to do all that reading only to learn that there is no answer. Since you already know, why don't you just go ahead and enlighten me as to why whenever someone begins to explain the Big Bang Theory he or she always start with the atom and the explosion. Was not the atom created and the explosion caused? If so, then, the origin of the universe did not begin with the Big Bang, it began with the atom. The atom itself had to have an origin and there had to be something to cause it to explode. I prefer to believe the atom was created by intelligence and the explosion was caused by the same. However, one can not entirely rule out opposite as there is an abundance of stupidity creeping upon this earth.
So, rather than have me read all those books please tell me in your own words Corrie, where did the atom come from and what caused it to explode. And, while you're at it please explain the origin of the amoeba.
If you are too lazy to read and learn for yourself there is nothing I can do for you. I certainly cannot summarize a 300 page book on the subject into a simple paragraph that you can understand.
I suggest you try to read at least one of those books, they simply and follow a logical path that even one like you, Simple, can follow. I have read several of those, so if you have specific questions based on those books I will be happy to help you out.
If you ask questions based on erroneous informations and false premises, you are wasting my time. Much like Soupy.
Okay Corrie, so you've read several books on evelution and the Big Bang Theory and you still haven't learned how the universe was created or how life began and now you suggest that I read some, or at least one, of those same books. Corrie, my friend, those books were'nt written to inform you, they were written to divert your attention away from the truth. And, that truth is, no one on this Earth knows how, when or why this universe was created nor how, when or why life began. Those things have always been and always will be a mystery to man during his lifetime. If he is to know those things he will learn them after he leaves here, not before.
Now,there is probably nothing wrong with you accepting the Big Bang as your "creator", however, one would think that you would be a little more appreciative and give thanks to your "creator". You might even consider giving worship, praise and respect to your "creator" for doing such a wonderful job in putting this all together and allowing it to last long enough for you to see it. Do it while you can Corrie, once you leave here may be too late.
And, yes Corrie, I do have specific questions but they are not based on any of your books. If those books were meant to be informative they would have answered those questions. So I'm asking you, Corrie, tell me in your own words where did the atom come from and what caused it to explode. And where did the amoeba come from and what caused it to mutate. Please share that bit of information with me and all those religious freaks out there so that we can finally put the "Myth" to rest.
Corrie, you're wrong about my being lazy, however, you're right about my not being well informed like yourself. Anyone who knows how the universe was created knows everything. So, to answer a few simple questions should'nt be that difficult.
Simple. Attitude like yours condemns humanity to eternal stupidity, never trying to learn anything new, after all as far as you are concerned we will know everything when we die. Hell, why waste time trying to learn stuff the hard way when we can just die and know it all. You first.
Don’t bother sending children to school, just kill them and have them learn everything they need.
There is more objective truth in a single page of any of these books than in all the pages of the all religious books combined. It is religions and religious dogma that is responsible for distrating people from the truth, and they were very successful at keeping European stupid for around 1000 years, luckily we broke out of that religion- induced intellectual coma.
The BBT is not a creator, no one considers it so, except you religious nuts. And the BBT has nothing to do with the evolution of life anyways, so you have wandered off the topic. What you are trying to do is attack the BBT in the false belief that it will falsify evolution. A little logic exercise will show you that is not true… I won’t do it for you, even though I suspect you won’t do it for yourself either. You seem dogmatically resistant to consider any reasonable ideas.
If haven’t read any worthwhile book on the subject, it is clear why you can’t come up with a single intelligent question on the subject. Your questions are based on your misconceptions and ignorance of the topic. I think I am perfectly right about you being lazy. You want answers without doing any work for them, and when given the opportunity to learn things for yourself, you balk at the chance. Preferring to spout religious dogma for which there is no evidence. Do your homework first, bring it to your teacher and he will help you through the parts you got wrong.
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