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sources of disease by EB2340 51 days 109 CureZone Debate / Questionin

There are two sources of disease other than diseases like malaria and even that can be considered a weakened immune system created by the two sources. ... Those two sources are toxicity and acidosis. The monitor of this toxicity and acidosis is the diet and the bodies ability to take in nutrition while at the same time removing toxins. Sounds so simple doesn’t it, but a doctor would make the process so complicated you would feel it was above your head just to understand it. The colon and the blood as well as the liver are vital for this process to happen and when we fill our bodies with acid ... [retrieve this message]

Re: GAPS + Warrior diet for fatigue, brain fog, indigestion,

by natway 3 mon 294

What are your glucose numbers? [End]

Re: by #155216 3 mon 255

Nat ... ... I think it is clear now that you are detracting from the supportive atmosphere of this forum. ... ... It is probably time for you to move on, or be banned. You have a way about you that antagonizes otherwise peaceful people. ... ... Your message, however, deserves to be put forth into the world, but just not by you. ... ... So consider this a request to the mod to ban Nat from the AF forum please so people can have a peaceful place once again. ... ... ... [End]

Black Seed Oil (Edited by Forum Moderator)

/34 1 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,483 Candida Debate / CureZone D / Cancer Deb

Black Seed (nigella sativa), also known as black cumin seed, has been called the cure for everything but death. It’s extract or Black seed oil, is twice as strong as the whole seed, and has been proven in studies to boost the immune system, fight auto immune disease, kill bacteria, cancer cells, inflammation, and MANY MANY MANY illnesses and disease!It’s even been used to help alleviate opiate withdrawal symptoms! ... ... ... Black seed provides 15 amino acids, carbohydrates, Saponins, alkaloids, calcium, fiber, iron, potassium, 23 plant sterols, and volatile oils. Compounds in these volatile oi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!2 by mo123 4 mon 1,542

Looks like a spam post to me. While I will agree black seed cures candida this is your first post on Curezone and you are linking to a website which may or may not be your own. ... ... Most black seed honey contains 10 percent black seed. I see nothing on the website indicating the percentage of black seed in each jar. Candida diets must have less than 1 teaspoon a day of honey while black seed dosage for candida is 2 teaspoons of black seed oil daily. So how can the buyer be assured of the dosage. ... ... Black seeds need 2 1/2 teaspoons to 1 teaspoons of oil. So if I had to take all that honey, a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!3 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,079

This is absolutely NOT spam! his is absolutely NOT spam! ... is a company we’ve been patronizing before they started selling their products online!. Their black seed is imported from Egypt! We’ve inquired about the product extensively! Their black seed is organic, unfiltered, no pesticides, cultivated virgin. The Egyptian brand is far superior to the Indian and less bitter so it DOES NOT have to be heated! how dare you criticize a product you have never tried and then say you sell the BEST!!! Sounds like arrogance to me! ... ... I said the WE mix our black seed with honey, and ppl should eat b ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!4 by hopinso 4 mon 1,022

I checked out the site and it looked good with very reasonable prices. I hope to place an order soon. Which honey is your favorite, they all sound so good. [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!5 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,028

All of their raw honeys are DELISH! My family’s favs are actually the Queen Bee Booster, which has the Royal Jelly and its very creamy. My hubby likes the Ultimate Booster, which is chock full of organic black seed, black see oil, cayenne, ginger, and its spicy! It gives him that extra boost of energy and he swears by it. Like I said in my original post, my family consumes raw honey and black seed each and every day! [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!6 by hopinso 4 mon 995

Sounds good. Years ago I had a customer who brought me some of his local raw honey. It was so good, but like so many people he lost his hives to a disease that reduced the bee population. Raw honey is hard to find locally. [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!7 by mo123 4 mon 1,342

This is your first post and you copied it to 6 forums promoting your website. Plain and simple SPAM!!!! This is against TOS on Curezone. ... ... I checked out your website and first there is no explanation at all but a few cut and paste sentences on black seed. It is a brand new website with only 912 page views, lord I have 300,000 on my blog alone. ... ... You know nothing on how to cure, help or aid anyone. I checked the products and they are very generic with no explanations at all towards their origination or if they are organic. It would be better if you regrouped, rethought and posted som ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!8 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,122

... as if becuz they’re new online they’re not legit and then praising your own site. SO WHAT you have over 300 thousand views????!! There are soooo many sites selling black seed and these products in the US! We used to buy from Amazing Herbs or Sweet Sunnah and now we buy from Sahabi Sweets!!! We loove and actually use their products...BIG DEAL! ... ... The information i got about black seed oil curing candida and killing cancer cells was from a legit website naturalnews.com and greenmedinfo.com, and NO i don’t own those sites or know the owners! and OF COURSE I expect anyone to do their own re ... [retrieve this message]

[Message Subject Hidden by a Forum Moderator] 9 by mo123 4 mon 949

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Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!10 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,065

For your information. I am a type II diabetic, who has suffered with candida, high blood pressure, etc. I have taken black seed and its oil for yeeears to keep my numbers normal and have NEVER had to heat the seeds to consume them! We know the owners of Sahabi Sweets, as my husband knows the owners of other sellers of black seed and honey prducts, namely sweet sunnah and herbal black essence, and we like this company’s products and fast service. We’ve been buying before they had an online presence and will continue to buy from them. ... ... Now, whether you agree or disagree is up to you, but ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!11 by mo123 4 mon 1,037

This is again wrong. There are scientific studies testifying that heating the seeds does not change the properties of the seeds, but I can see you want to argue about everything. ... ... My seeds come from Egypt not India and I know how to cure people and what remedies to give but I neither have the time or patience and talk about arrogant. How many capital sentences have you wrote? ... ... Well the company is brand new, they have no knowledge of black seeds, no information, no articles no help of any kind. ... ... Like I said, I don’t just have 300,000 page views. I have the largest empire of all blac ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!12 R by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,106

Honestly, you are the ONLY black seed ”aficionado” who advises to HEAT the seed! Because I take this stuff daily, I’ve done extensive research and spoken to the companies we purchase from and purchased from in the past, and NO ONE, not Sweet Sunnah, not Amazing Herbs, not Black Seed Herbal Essence, and NOT Sahabi Sweets suggests heating the seeds. They all say heating kills the curative benefits, which is why the oil is COLD PRESSED! I actually consume them unheated every day, whole or crushed in my drinks and yogurts and have NEVER suffered indigestion or tummy troubles! But you seem very ... [retrieve this message]

You get an R rating for attacking me, lol13 by mo123 4 mon 1,026

If I wrote about you like you just me, they would delete my post. It is impossible and I mean impossible to put the suggested dosage on the tiny, tiny bottle of cold pressed oil you are selling. There are 30 or more dosages needed. ... ... The oil is cold pressed, not the seeds. Just because you and Joe blow don’t heat your seeds does not mean that I am the local fool. ... ... I live in the Middle East and I buy my seeds local and I know how to treat the seeds. The oil must be taken on an empty stomach. While Amazing herbs and the Kitchen Doctor will tell you different, they are wrong. ... ... Here ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol14 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 967

... Okay, it’s a US company that sells LOCAL raw organic honey, and IMPORTED EGYPTIAN black seed and organic cold pressed oil, and we love their products. WE use them and recommend them, and you seem to have a problem with ANY company that sell these items but YOURS! YOu’ve done nothing but insult this company and ME and MY KNOWLEDGE of black seed. I don’t own these companies, nor do I work for them, but you keep insinuating this! The companies I’ve named in other posts have been selling black seed products successfully in the US for yeeeeears, but you insult anyone’s knowledge or product ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol15 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,007

You agreed that black seed oil kills candida, so what exactly did i say that was deceptive??? I didn’t cite the articles from greenmed and naturalnews??? There’s also an article on HuffingtonPost about black seed killing cancer cells as well, and many many many others, and as a BLACK SEED blogger and merchant you KNOW this!!! ... ... The only thing that is deceptive is you vehemently denouncing any other product or site that sells the black seed, but YOURS! You praise your expertise, while criticizing websites that you’ve never purchased from! Now, you want us all to believe that Amazing Herbs, ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What LIES!!!16 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,012

What a LIAR! I thought we were done with this!!! But, after our back and forth yesterday, I decided to follow the links you left to YOUR blog in your last comment and lo and behold you are at it again!!! SLANDERING ME and MY COMMENTS here on curezone.....This is what you posted on your blog...LYING!!! I am posting for all here to see YOUR mistruths, and anyone who reads my original posts here on curezone can see the truth for themselves!!!! ... ... Here’s what YOU posted....THESE ARE YOUR UNTRUTHFUL WORDS ABOUT MY COMMENTS YESTEDAY! ... ... ”Today on Curezone a company showed up for the first time c ... [retrieve this message]

[Message Subject Hidden by a Forum Moderator] 17 by saywhatagain 4 mon 932

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Thank you for defending me.18 by mo123 4 mon 991

I read your message and thank you for defending me and please moderator come and explain the need to hide this message. The poster said nothing more than the OP is here to promote her website. ... ... She is bashing me from here to kingdom come and you delete this message? Quite apparently this is prejudicial against me. ... ... I strongly suggest that this entire thread be moved as it is a strong attack against a moderator of 4 forums and against TOS guidelines. TOS guidelines clearly state that no poster can attack another poster much less a moderator. ... ... Her rantings are enough and like the poste ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol19 by saywhatagain 4 mon 939

Yeah I am also really curious why this is RECOMMENDED reading. I thought that in traditional medicine black seed is always heated same as any other medicinal seeds. This is how it was used in the traditional cultures that taught us how to use this properly. Of course you wouldn’t want to heat the oil as that has different properties. It would be interesting if whoever marked this as recommended reading would be willing to respond and tell us what in this post is recommended that is beneficial for those looking to get healthy. [End]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol20 by mo123 4 mon 940

Imagine giving an R to someone who bashes a moderator of 4 forums. It is prejudicial. I have reported Hopinso and asked the Webmaster to intervene. This is another case of prejudice and to remove your defending me. Well go figure. ... ... No the oil is never heated and if anyone had any knowledge of black seeds or had spent any time in the Middle East, they would know the seeds must be heated. ... ... Thank you again for your kind words. I am passionate about my work. ... ... Sara [End]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol

/34 21 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 946

Prejudice? Really????!!! You have bashed my ME from the first comments I’ve made on curezone! I came on this forum to share an alternative med for candida (black seed oil) and YOU immediately accused me of spamming! Then you went so far as to defame me on your BLOG! You are supposed to be some kind of expert on black seed, but obviously have a hang up about ANY company that is suggested but YOURS! I recommended a company that I use regularly for the benefit of those in the US, who may not have access to quality black seed, and as someone who has been using it for YEARS, I took the personal ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol22 by rainy3 4 mon 944

I learned a long time ago that the rating system doesn’t mean much. ... ... Here is a ~BSA that is an embarrassment to curezone and it went across several forums. The post gave an opinion against a hurting person. It is my opinion that his opinion was bad advice and showed no support for someone that wanted to find some help from curezone. Someone else may have been able to help, but this message, for the most part, shut down help from curezone. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1989396#i ... ... ... I admit I did not read all the posts in this thread and I really do not know what the issue is h ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol23 by mo123 4 mon 965

An R is a recommended reading, but when the person is bashing another moderator you wonder why? Why should the bashing be rated an R? Does the R rating incite the basher to bash more? Apparently so. ... ... Moderators have a right to rate any post they see fit. I have seen some posts get high ratings when they were nothing more than one sentence? Why? The moderator has right. ... ... But in an open support forum where a brand new poster shows up promoting a business and linking to that business over and over again, it causes me and others to pause. ... ... While many will not say anything, hundreds ar ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol24 by candisufferer 4 mon 930

This isn’t the first time Black Seed has been discussed in the candida support forum.....and it’s true it’s said it has been used for ages...even biblical that it can help cure about any issue but, death yet, take that in stride. ... ... I’ve been interested in trying black seed as it can’t hurt to add into all sorts of Candida dishes.....throw in bone broth soup, etc.....I’m curious about how it would do if going through a juicer, or if it would be better to just add the black seeds to the juicer juice after being juiced.... ... ... [End]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol25 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 1,001

Hello. ... ... Because I am a type II diabetic, candida has been a bane for me, until I began consuming black seed and its oil daily! For vaginal yeast infections, I’ve actually went so far as to add a few droplets to a mild vinegar and water douche. For thrash or mouth issues, I will actually grind some whole seed and mix with warm water and let it sit in my mouth for several minutes, spitting it out afterwards, or allowing a teaspoon of the organic cold pressed oil to swish around my mouth for several minutes. Honestly, I consume the crushed whole seed and oil by the teaspoonful with a dab o ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You get an R rating for attacking me, lol26 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 956

P.S. Getting rid of Candida with black seed/oil, has to be incorporated with a low carb diet, eliminating the bad grains, starches,sugars, and yeast loving foods from the diet, but I’m sure you’re aware of this. ... ... I am NOT an expert and never claimed to be, and DON’T want the accusations of the moderator to start again. I’m answering your inquiry based on MY experience with black seed, which I thought was the point of this forum. So, I just thought I’d add that as a sort of disclaimer. I will also add that I am now able to consume Raw honey in my diet, in moderation, but I also take a go ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!27 by RONBN49 4 mon 856

Aloe vera does the same thing and much much more. [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!28 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 953

Have you ever tried black seed or its oil? Although I’ve never used it, I’ve read that aloe vera is very beneficial. There are so many herbs and spices and extracts from plants that have proven medicinally effective in treating many ailments, which is what alternative medicine promotes and why it thrives. This however, does not diminish the curative potency of black seed and black seed oil. [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!29 by RONBN49 4 mon 848

I do not doubt that it may be effective and can not comment because I have not used it. Perhaps a time may come when I may try it but right now bentonite and aloe seem to be working for me. Thanks for the advice. [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!30 by RONBN49 4 mon 811

Just destroying or eliminating the candida does nothing to eliminate the reasons it was there to start with. The colon needs to be made healthy and when that happens the candida will go away and return to normal. Those that are hawking their wares here are as bad as the drug companies selling their snake oil. [End]

Re: Black Seed Oil proven to kill Candida and everything else!31 by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 923

Black seed oil has been clinically proven to kill candida. And, as a type II diabetic and someone who’s struggled with her share of candida growth, I know what has worked for me; ingesting black seed, black seed oil, using it in my vaginal douches, to combat yeast infections, and also eating a diet free of the starches and sugars that candida thrives on. ... ... Hawking their wares? I can’t speak for anyone else, but this has worked for me, and I’m a firm believer in using black seed to fight all manner of disease. So, if the cure is in the colon as you assert, then using the oil in an enema s ... [retrieve this message]

With all this fighting, I'm not sure if I should try Black seed oil32 by BhsiahRD 4 mon 807

I don’t want to be attacked, I’m just looking for help. It’s very disheartening to see bickering when all folks want to do is get better [End]

Re: With all this fighting, I'm not sure if I should try Black seed oil33 R by WeLoveRawHoney 4 mon 920

Yes, it is very unfortunate. I came here just over a week ago now to share my experiences with black seed and black seed oil and to learn more about alternative/herbal meds, but was immediately berated and told by the resident black seed expert and forum owner that, not only did I NOT KNOW anything about black seed (a product I’ve used for some years), that only her advice and the products she recommended were legit! Go figure. ... ... Needless to say, a bitter battle of words ensued.... ... ... But, I don’t want you to think that your experience will be the same. There has since been a public bla ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Black Seed Oil (Edited by Forum Moderator)34 by ramkishan754 3 mon 851

hiiiiiii ... my name is Ram kishan.i read your very precious note, it is very helpful for everyone, i want to say thanks for this note. each herb has a property.and they help to save our life,they look like nothing as a garbage. THE AYURVEDA open the secretes of each herb.so thanks for sharing this important information about black cumin seed. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...

R by natway 5 mon 465 Candida Debate / CureZone D

”belittle the OP saying she has a psychological problem” ... ... No one is belittling her. We are trying to help her. REAL HELP. She is the one who flat out told everyone she has a severe phobia of worms: ... ... ”I have a deep phobia of all bugs, especially worms, and it has psychologically affected me so greatly.” ... ... If that’s what’s really going on with her, then hugs, kisses, neti pots, colloidal silver, herbal remedy worm killers taken forever, tinctures of wormwood or black walnut, Humaworm, Purity Parasite Cleanse, candida cleanses, or risky veterinary drugs will not help her and quite pos ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a... by AngelofEventide 5 mon 409

You can dress it up and make it real pretty all you want, but you did belittle her. How many replies from others on here saying the same thing does it take? You told her she probably had a phobia of this. What if she did? Just because someone has a phobia doesn’t mean she needs pschological help. I have a phobia of flying, but I’m a fully functioning person. She has seen worms in her stool. Is that all in her head? Maybe it’s just a phobia manifesting itself in real life somehow. You want to give her REAL HELP, as you said, then be supportive of her. No one is asking you to coddl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a... by sd2345 5 mon 426

I am shocked. It’s obvious that someone gave another R as a joke. It’s not funny, it’s sick. ... ... I know somewhere I have read the standards for moderators on CZ, and I’m sure this behavior is against what’s expected. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a... by Jerome99 5 mon 426

I agree. This sort of snide, sarcastic, ’It’s all in your head’ language: ... ... ”If that’s what’s really going on with her, then hugs, kisses, neti pots, colloidal silver, herbal remedy worm killers taken forever, tinctures of wormwood or black walnut, Humaworm, Purity Parasite Cleanse, candida cleanses, or risky veterinary drugs will not help her and quite possibly hurt or bankrupt her.” ... ... ..is something you expect to see on Yahoo Answers. Not Curezone. Let alone as a recommended post. Just ridiculous. ... ... ... To repeat, I had a worm infection for over a year, tried both pyrantel and Vermo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a... by kscmac 4 mon 328

Get a bunch into specimen containers and send off return receipt to several different labs so you will have different labs reports to back you up! Put a few into microscope slides, a few into formaldehyde and some into alcohol storage so you have all the reports an physical proof. [End]

Re: Womens Hair Loss...help

by natway 5 mon 483 Questioning & Critic / Facts and / CureZone D

I’ve gone to a near-vegan plant-based diet to maintain being healed from my worst health condition after curing it with a week-long veggie juice fast. I started really researching the vegan diet because even though it healed one of my health issues, I was worried because of hearing all the countless horror stories about the vegan diet such as your story. ... ... To my surprise, I don’t think the vegan diet is inherently flawed, but that almost every failure on it I researched was due to the following reasons: ... ... 1- Didn’t eat enough (calorie restriction) ... 2- Ate too much fat ... 3- Was a junkfood ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Womens Hair Loss...help by AskBella 5 mon 444

Others may have some better advice. ... ... Natway is just here to promote a diet that no one here will use or go near with a ten-foot pole. ... ... Sorry about that. [End]

Re: Womens Hair Loss...help by natway 5 mon 465

The people I see here got here on either a SAD diet, and Paleo/Primal diet (including me), or a calorie-restricted junkfood high-fat vegan diet. ... ... I haven’t seen anyone get here on the diet style I’m recommending that’s kept me healed of my worst health problem. ... ... What advice do you have for her? [End]

Re: Womens Hair Loss...help by #154965 5 mon 504

We just had a thread here for a few days especially about Your presence on this forum. ... The thread was then removed by a moderator. ... ... In this thread with about 30 replies basically everybody said that You are in the wrong forum and You are not helping anybody. Nobody wants to hear about Your diet. ... ... This was not the first time either. I am personally very tired of all this. ... ... The reason AskBella wrote this comment was to inform a newcomer about who You are. ... This forum (AF) used to be a place of no trouble and lots of support. ... Now we have to inform newcomers that they just met the vill ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Womens Hair Loss...help by natway 5 mon 448

Village idiot? Have you got your liver fluke self-diagnosis confirmed by a doctor of lab yet? How much money have you spent so far trying to rid them? [End]
"they just met the village idiot" by natway 5 mon 410

Insults are O.K. here? [End]

Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.

/33 1 by natway 6 mon 1,459 Parasites Debate / Hulda Clar / Zapper Deb / 4 / 5 / 6

I know some of you won’t like this post, but I’m posting it anyways to hopefully prevent a lot of you from going down a similar wrong path that I went down. ... ... For years I spent tons of money on different kinds of doctors and on every supplement out there and even a couple of cleanses said to help my illness, but they never worked and I slowly got worse and worse because I WAS MISDIAGNOSED and the diet I happened to be told would help me was actually the cause and that’s why nothing would ever work. After changing to the right diet (high carb/low fat in my case), I was cured within a wee ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.2 by thathippieguy 6 mon 1,112

That’d be nice ... ... But it’s simply not that easy, Lab samples are HIGHLY inaccurate. It’s ridiculous. ... ... My cousin works in the ER department and tells me all the time about how they never can catch the eggs or ova of parasites until the patient is admitted into the hospital and a stool sample taken EVERY DAY for at least a week, for at least a good CHANCE of catching them. ... ... What standard stool sample kit does this? ... ... None. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.3 by natway 6 mon 1,079

But if they are visible to see in your toilet, should be really easy to scoop a sample of it up. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.4 by thathippieguy 6 mon 1,055

You would think that right? ... ... I sent out worms to a lab, and they verified that these were worms, but, dead. Since they were dead, they could not identify them because, when alive, they excrete certain things, and that’s how they identify them ... ... They are terrible at treating parasites and worms. They just have no clue 90% of the time [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.5 by natway 6 mon 998

Well at least they identified them as worms, so you know you’re probably on the right track. That’s all I’m trying to get people to make sure about. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.6 by thathippieguy 6 mon 1,031

I understand you’re reasoning ... ... It is good to make sure you are not seriously paranoid, because that CAN make your imagination run wild, as nuts as it sounds ... ... Though, when you are actually dealing with the infection, that you KNOW are worms, and somebody doubts you, it hurts your heart! It’s very frustrating! ... ... Safety first! I know at least for myself, i would NOT be using pharma drugs if I didn’t know it was there! Those things are extreme! ... ... Happy Holidays! ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.7 by whkim2010 6 mon 922

you wouldn’t be able to see unless you actually try some parasite cleanse for actually 2 months (it was my case) ... but you know, we can not just wait on doctor to save us from our illness. we need to move deligently and try many possible things and finally we can find right track. I think it is worth to try. the bible says ask, and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you” May God have mercy on whom seek and knock. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.8 by natway 6 mon 1,126

I agree you need to be in control of your health, but if you go down the wrong path of treatment, what good does that do? ... ... I only started this thread because from what I notice here, a LOT of people think they have parasites/worms/flukes/etc and seems like they try every method to get rid of them but can’t seem too. A logical explanation is that they really don’t have parasites or the like. That’s why I’m urging people to get a sample if they think they see something in the toilet just to confirm it really is something. It’s only common sense. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.9 by #154886 6 mon 921

You ate some bananas for a few weeks and now thousands of people who have been cleansing parasites since curezone started are all delusional. ... ... And your best advice if someone finds a parasite is to ’get it checked out’. ok dude, have fun in that reality you live in. ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.10 by natway 5 mon 722

Did you get your flukes confirmed by a doctor or lab yet? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.11 R by #155216 5 mon 812

this is more bs from you nat. ... ... you read a book about fruit and suddenly you think that you have reached the top of the mountain. ... ... then you read? or heard from a doctor? that flukes are not common in the west, jesus, have you read the multiple hundreds of people on curezone who have flukes, tapes, and all sorts of other parasites? is everyone lying? ... ... so why don’t you be ’congruent’ as your guru doug says. ... if you are going to follow the AMA lie that flukes are not common in the west, then also follow their dietary advice. you can’t just pick and choose philosophies and then try to pa ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.12 by natway 6 mon 946

”I sent out worms to a lab, and they verified that these were worms, but, dead. Since they were dead, they could not identify them because, when alive, they excrete certain things, and that’s how they identify them” ... ... Something about this is making me think the lab is jerking you around. I’ve never heard some worms had to be identified by their excretions. Sounds like they are saying many worms look alike under a microscope, but are actually different. Even if true, wouldn’t seem to matter about which treatments to use to rid them if they are the same class of worms. ... ... Did the lab giv ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.13 by sklila 4 mon 705

I think we are forgetting that not all parasites are visible to the eye. The microscopic kind are even more dangerous, now imagine some guy in a lab getting $15/hour going through human crap looking for eggs all day....I don’t think they enjoy their job enough to give a 2nd look. How the hell would you distinguish one parasite egg from another? I passed some parasites with a SWC, and sent them to the dr to get tested...results negative!!! Like they always are. These were parasites, they were not food particles! We all have parasites, it’s a matter of how our immune system handles ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.14 by natway 4 mon 727

”I personally finally found a lab that picked something” ... ... I want to make sure I understand you, did you mean that lab confirmed a diagnoses of a parasite? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.15 by sklila 4 mon 636

Yes a lab found an amoeba and h. Pylori infection, I hade to use a lab outside Canada and will be going to see Cahill in NY. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.16 by natway 4 mon 656

That’s good you got it verified by a lab. That’s what I’m urging everyone to do. Why don’t you just go to your local doc and get a prescription for an amebicide? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.17 by sklila 4 mon 641

I could only wish it was that easy, the doctors I have seen, including so called parasite specialists will only go by the labs in Canada, they will want to verify the US lab results with a lab here which will undoubtably be negative. I’ve tried the guessing game and it hasn’t been successful, I managed to get my liver enzymes back to normal but other symptoms are still draining me. I hope Cahill won’t be a waste of time, I’m spending a lot of money and time to make the trip to NY. Wish me luck! [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.18 by natway 4 mon 720

Of course I wish you the best of luck. Just a little worried you’re trying too hard to find a lab to give you the results you want and then going out of your way to be treated by a doc all too happy to charge you a high ”specialist” fee and to sell you a bunch of products to take. ... ... Not saying this to get you down, but to look after you if you know what I mean. Let us know how it goes. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.19 by cologirl 4 mon 591

So how did it go Sklila? I’m dying to know since my next step is to see him (I live in NY though)... ... ... Anxiously awaiting your results... ... ... thanks! [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.20 by sklila 4 mon 593

Hi Colorgirl, just confirmed my appointment for this coming Monday, will post my findings, unfortunately it will have to wait till the end of next week before I can post here. Since my family is coming with me, I want to make a mini vacation out of it. It’s a long drive for me to NYC (Toronto, Canada), i am just as anxious lol, but have been let down so many times by so called ”experts”. Hope this one will be different and get my issues resolved. ... ... Kal [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.

/33 21 by cologirl 4 mon 604

Awesome. Can’t wait to hear how it went. Have a nice mini-vacation! ... ... Jess [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.22 by sklila 4 mon 550

Ok I was able to call in and get the diagnosis....the recepitionist said you have an amoeba infection, EH. Will post more later when I get home. It seems that is a common diagnosis, waiting to see copies of the report. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.23 by natway 4 mon 577

I have to ask, is that lab connected to Cahill? ... ... ... ”Amebiasis is an infection of the gastrointestinal system. It is not common in Canada, and occurs more often in parts of the world where there is poor sanitation, such as in Mexico, Central America, western South America, southern Asia and western and southern Africa. Travelers to these areas are at risk of becoming infeced, if they do not take precautions with food and drinking water.” ... http://dsol-smed.phac-aspc.gc.ca/dsol-smed/ndis/diseases/amoe-eng.php ... ... ... I would take your lab results to a doctor in Canada for confirmation just to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.24 by sklila 4 mon 590

Man I have had just about every test in Canada. They can’t explain why I feel like crap, why my blood results are messed up, why I have Charcot-Leyden crystals and white blood tests in my stool. Is the lab connected to Cahill, yes I believe he does it himself, he did the mucus scraping and a blood test. I will be the first to say that he doesn’t follow the regular protocols, I would expect a doctor to spend more time, going over your symptoms and concerns, but then again in Canada you are lucky if you get 10 minutes after waiting 1-2 hours for your doctor. Natway I travel a lot,mo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.25 by JesseCured 3 mon 433

... ... I heard the same thing from South American Doctors who deal with parasite problems all the time. Said it takes NUMEROUS stool samples and then you may not catch them. They also said that in North America the labs aren’t as good, don’t test for as many different species as they do in South America. Said that there are thousands of different species. Said that if you carry the parasite problem back to the states you may NEVER get cured. My ex worked in the Amazon. Everyone got parasites. I got parasites, but never went into the jungle, just the altiplano areas. Had been fighting ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.26 by natway 4 mon 554

dpk, ... ... If you are still open to discuss your health struggles and by chance I could offer some direction, I’m here to listen and help. Sometimes it’s good to have an outside set of eyes look at it, free of the bias and influence of others going through your same struggles. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.27 by sklila 4 mon 502

I’m always open natway, after all that is what curezone is all about :) [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.28 by natway 4 mon 534

Hi skilla, would be happy to continue to assist you! Fill me in on the latest in the other sub-thread we were chatting. Going to leave this sub-thread for dpk. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.29 by JrDavis 4 mon 542

You’re going to use the CDC as valuable data? ... ... You would honestly take CDC’s advice than to try and combat a disease on your own? ... ... Flukes are not easy to detect. And I actually passed what I know now was a fluke with my Sota machine. ... ... EM apparently got it to move out. By EM cleansing my blood. Which makes sense since the liver filters it. ... ... ... However no matter how much I changed up my diet (Carb/Low fat) I’m still struggling 132lbs. ... ... I know it’s the flukes, I felt them burrowing into my Liver. It felt like gas/GB attack/cramp. ... ... Maybe that’s why I almost passed out when I got 8 v ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.30 by sklila 4 mon 527

JrDavis have you tried Egaten? If you are sure is Flukes, Eagret would knock them out, it is rather expensive though. ... ... Kal [End]
Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.31 by dave505 4 mon 590

Hi jr ... i’ve send you a private message - please read it if possible. need help for identification. thanks [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.32 by JesseCured 3 mon 739

... You are correct that U.S. doctors aren’t educated enough in this field. I learned about this problem from South American Doctors who handled my ex and his employees when they worked in the Amazon. They ALL got parasites. They then related how U.S. doctors won’t do any good if you go back to the states with the parasite problem because of lack of education and not very good labs. They said you will stay sick cause the labs here don’t test for the thousands of parasites that are out there, they only test for a couple or a few at best. It’s sad that the CDC numbers are so skewed making ... [retrieve this message]

Common weed kills cancer by thejellybean 8 mon 432

Ingenol mebutate (also called ingenol-5-angelate) is an extract of a common plant, petty spurge or milk weed (Euphorbia peplus). Ingenol mebutate is derived from a cultivar of Euphorbia peplus that is specifically grown in Queensland for this purpose. ... ... It has been shown to be useful in the treatment of superficial skin cancers including actinic keratoses (solar keratoses), which are scaly spots caused by long term sun exposure. ... ... In January 2012, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved ingenol mebutate gel for the treatment for actinic keratoses on the face, scalp, trunk and ... [retrieve this message]

The Mother of all Hypocrisies by #152769 12 mon 544

... ... ... So i guess the lesson here is that if someone is selling a product it is OK to ignore the endless rantings about how proof is essential and it is OK to use anecdotal evidence. ... ... But, if you want to humiliate sick people on a support or debate forum then you must demand absolute scientific proof and ridicule anyone who uses anecdotal evidence. ... ... The depth of hypocrisy here is limitless. ... ... ... ... ... [End]

What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?

/118 1 by Katie66 14 mon 4,859 Parasites Debate / Liver Flus / Questionin / 4 / 5 / 6

My question is pretty self explanatory. I’m trying alternative treatments to help with my depression. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?2 by propaul 14 mon 4,134

Hi Katie66. ... ... Colon, parasite then liver ... ... Propaul ... ... [End]
- Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?3 by mango2010 6 mon 1,236
  
  Please don’t spread such non sense! [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?4 by Michael B 14 mon 3,823

Hey, I think it should be colon, liver, and then parasite, for the reason that sometimes during a parasite cleanse you can kill off liver parasites as well. If you have biliary obstruction, then the dead liver parasites have no pathway of elimination and will make you sick. You don’t want dying parasites stuck in your liver when the herxheimer reaction kicks in, [End]

Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about liver cl...5 by shrimpy123 14 mon 4,612

Katie, I think the advice you are receiving is nonsense by people who know nothing, and who are still sick, and do not know what they have. Read my message below about ”not trusting sick people”; http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1928315#i; people here do not know what they are talking about; liver cleansing does not kill parasites, and if you have parasite in liver, that is deadly, and it need to be detected by a doctor who does mucus scraping, which most doctors, even so-called parasite specialsist do not perform. I already told you that some of these people will tell you nonsense, and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...6 by socalgrl 14 mon 3,870

"Go see the doctor I recommended to you. Cleanses will not help; forget about this natural junk.....; you will never kill a parasite with that." ... ... Shrimpy123, I’m confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...7 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,686

Shrimpy123, I’m confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure.” ... ... Well, I came in despration, not because there was one of two people who posted their true cures. And I am trying to help people, as oppsoed recommend things that will not work. Of course you are free to do whatever you want, but one has to be resposible when one says that this or that cleanse can kill parasites in the liver, which is nonsense. It will not kill parasites. And they will not go away with natural cures. If you have par ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...8 by judyj01 14 mon 3,714

I agree with Michael. The traditional format if you are somewhat healthy is ... ... -colon ... -kidneys ... -parasites ... -liver ... -blood/lymph ... ... However, if your badly congested, can’t tolerate fatty foods, intolerant to alcohol, allergies, food sensitivities, etc, your liver is probably pretty congested and can’t tolerate killing mass parasites at this time. The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already). I don’t know wh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...9 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,464

You need to read what I wrote and understand that I am saying if you think you have ”parasites” and have the symptoms I did, you should suspect what I had.... ... ... I have sent several people on this forum --which is the parasite forum I am on--to the wonder doctor who found in them E. Histolytica. Missed by so many labs and stool tests done by iugnorant doctors. They were not helped by natural things, and have been deadly illl for years; what do you say to these people who have had no help from anthing else. ... ... Katie;s message is posted on the ”parasite” forum, and this grants that she susp ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...10 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,462

The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already)” ... ... This is such an irresponsible thing to say; so are you saying that this all in the head? While the patient suffers. Do you know that Pharama cmpnies in the last few decades precisely support this kind of link between brain and the gut, while ignoring the real killers that attach the body and escape detection. Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of par ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...11 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,422

I have to support Shrimpy here ... ... I got very ill, first I went to a long series of incompetent doctors (yes even most infection specialists are incompentet on some very important parasites, they do not read the big books or do not follow what they say) ... ... as nop doctor could find out I tried the natural therapies, I tried long series of herbs known to cure paraistes, I tried long series of diets....some of it gave minor improvements... ... ... of course when a paraiste attack your organs (some directly like bowel, and some indirectly by all toxines they create directly or indirectly) then body ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...12 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,296

Exactly man, some of these the natural herapies are a billion dollar industry making people sick, and not HEaling them. Bogus parasite clenases are absolutely unhelpful. There a culture where people eat all kinds of natural things, herbs daily, and still they become infected with deadly parasites like E. Histolytica and die. No herb, no cleansing, no diet, no zapper will kill this. ... ... [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...13 by david1o1 14 mon 3,160

[quote] ... Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of parasites like E. Hitolytica that all their problems are Mental and IBS related, while they are bleeding, and their organs are attacked, and literally eaten alive? ... [/quote] ... ... I have said this many times... ... ... There are people who think that to cleanse the body can kill parasites when it has been shown that it is not true. ... ... Why do you think that wild animals are infected by parasites ? ... They follow primitive living habits and they are infected... ... ... Moreover there is no point trying to cleanse the colon, the liver, the kidney ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...14 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,125

For example Histolytica is described in the big best books to very often actually give lots of micro perforation of bowel wall...the same books says this will cause things inside bowel to leak into other parts of body...it is quite amazing how body for years and years even can withstand this if not leak too big...of course person will feel horrible ... ... Body is amazing at cleaing out anything it do not want...but in such leakege the body has to work hard hard hard.... ... ... of course no matter type of cleansing in such case will be just crap....In best case it will cause a little very short te ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...15 by Mansonella Perstans 9 mon 1,718

I agree. I’m waiting to get into the Clinic at Harborview, the Travelers and Tropical Infectious Disease....my eyes are going, lymph swollen badly...I don’t have time. My organs are affected. ... ... I have Mansonella perstans and my symptoms are severe. Anyone can come into my home and take a look at me. Look at my skin, the lesions, swollen abdomen, and the weight loss... ... ... I couldn’t stand having this crawling under my skin, and the deterioration I see every day for ANY length of time. Keeping anyone on hold like this is sadistic and I find ignorance a poor excuse on the part of the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...16 by Michael B 14 mon 3,104

Thank you, Judy. You are a voice of reason amongst a murky cesspool of ignorance. [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...17 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,201

”they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse.” ... ... yes you are partly right partly wrong... ... ... Yes most doctors are incompenten on some very important parasistes, both on diangosis and treamtnet. ... ... This do not mean the best medicial science is incompetent. I am not talking about some new fancy break through. I am talkign about test methods well known in books for at least 30 to 40 years...ignored by almost every doctor ... ... I went to many many many incompetent (but among the better ones actually) doctors... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...18 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,109

Exactly man, crooked doctors do not do their own research, because they it is beyond their ”pay time”--but the science is there, which they criminally ignore. As you sucggest, mucus scraping is a practice that the best of the parasitologists did, but now every body becoming a gastro specialists, it has been abandoned, relying on flawed stool tests and their ”golden blood tests”; as result, people who are deadly ill are left to die, assuming that something is wrong with their mind! ... ... ... This is why we need to demand clinical minds, not doctors who have become psychologists! They are crimina ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...19 by david1o1 14 mon 2,998

[quote] ... I luckily have all the big books on infction medicine and have studied them now and then for more than 25 years (actually I think 27 years) ... [/quote] ... ... Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ? ... ... Thanks, [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...20 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,084

”Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ?” ... ... Naturally, but ... ... 1. Do not treat based on the books yoursefl without diagnosis with doctor following books....The books are mainly helpefull to check out if your doctor know what he do or not... ... ... 2. It is very easy when first reading one or two of these books to just look to match symptoms, unfortunately if you carefully read many of the books you will find many many infections have very overlapping symptoms, many books just mention the most severe late stage symptoms...so the right approach is e ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...

/118 21 by david1o1 14 mon 2,977

Thanks, i will read you post later. ... ... By curiosity, do you use dragon naturally speaking ? Because you are very fast to type ! ;) [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...22 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,990

”By curiosity, do you use dragon naturally speaking ? Because you are very fast to type ! ;)” ... ... No but this is the chinese year of dragon and also 2012 :-) my brain is just quick, sharp and fast as I got rid off all intruders in my body...but now out for a long walk under the beautiful blue sky!! ... ... Enjoy your day folks!! Life is Wonderful Wonderful Wonderful when you just get full health back! [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...23 by healthnik 14 mon 3,001

Hello Tropical Boy ... ... I had a blood transfusion 4 years ago & got someone’s bad blood. I’ve seen a few doctors to discover the cause of my myriad of problems. I’m getting better but there are still problems lingering - I’m currently being treated for H-Pylori & I also tested positive for a ”non-human parasite” (Metametrix test). I noticed others on the forum received this vague diagnosis. The doctor said that he would treat the parasite with a broad spectrum antibiotic after being treated for H-Pylori if I’m still not feeling better. Hmmm ... not feeling confident about this. Sounds ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...24 by kuriousity1111 13 mon 3,231

Hello there Friend, ... I too have had testing done through Metametrix. ... I also tested possitive for a parasite (non-human, as well) of ”unknown etiology”... ... ... My symptoms most resemble Chagas Disease, otherwise known as North American Sleeping Sickness. It is said to be found in blood bank supplies. ... It is a vector borne sickness. Google it if you would like a description. ... ... So I called Metametrix, and told them I had a question about my test results. ... ... I said, ”Did you test for trypanosomiasis in my last batch of tests?” ... ... The woman said ”No.” ... I asked,”Is there any test you have ther ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...25 by jazzydude 14 mon 3,201

For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind boggling. ... ... I have seen many posts mention parasite killing treatments (natural or not) without knowing what parasite or what they are trying to kill. ... This is a BIG problem because such treatments can make the situation much worse! ... ... I think diagnosis should be a priority and I think people should focus on finding ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...26 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,045

wrong dianosis by many doctors will unfortunately often lead to lots of unecessary medication, often just given because doctor want to help, but do not know cause, and give meds to reduce symptoms, then hope body cure itself...(as it luckily often do for many things, but not for all things) ... ... Right diagnosis at early point would save us for lots of medcines, from doctors or natural theraphist....also medical herbs are medical herbs, they are not vitamin herbs or food herbs..... ... ... in a perfect world right diagnose right medicine early on....in real life can take years to find proper docto ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...27 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,135

”Educating Instead of Medicating” ... ... People with deadly parasites ruining their health not diagnosed will just keep coming to doctor, and doctor after doctor, most will at least try some of the symptom meds doctor gives...if more doctors had been properly educated in parasites (very few clearly are) then yes we would save society from so much use of medicines... right diagnose and a short course of right medicine to remove cause of the ill health and then bodies amazing capazity to heal itself is like a miracle to me... The human body (if you not live like crazy unhealthy) has increadible ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...28 by Mansonella Perstans 9 mon 2,015

I agree. Diagnostics is where the failure is. And diagnostics is what I desperately need. And quicker appointments with those with symptoms as bad as I. ... ... I also wish more people that are going to the Infectious Disease Clinics that are supposed to know how to diagnose these, (off the CDC site is how I got in touch with the one at Harborview in Seattle), would post what happens as they go through this. ... ... I will, either way. Either from Harborview, where I am supposed to hear from them in 3-5 business days (you know, they registered me by phone and they ask for your Social Security nu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...29 by Michael B 14 mon 3,166

What entitles you to so freely insult others who have real experience healing themselves and who offer useful advice that would save others years of time and thousands of dollars? Really, what entitles you to so freely fling your harmful opinions around? ... ... My posts about how I have healed myself, my exact protocols, and in fact a lot of really intelligent and well thought out reasoning behind why I recommend such advice is freely available for all to read. People do not need a ”warning” from you; they can think for themselves. ... ... Relating specifically to the posts in question, i actually ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...30 by jazzydude 14 mon 2,995

have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols. ... ... I have been trying to find good labs for parasite tests but they seem hard to find. I wasted a lot of $$ on them. ... Which lab found parasites in your liver? Which parasite was in the liver? Which test did you do? [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...31 by Michael B 14 mon 3,036

I actually didn’t go to any labs for testing. During my fifth liver flush, I ate 10-15 cloves of organic raw garlic everyday in preparation for my flush. I was not intentionally trying to kill any parasites but rather utilizing the garlic for its excellent desluding properties. ... ... Upon completion of the flush I released several stones covered in mycelial candida along with copious volumes of sludgy candida particulate. So in my case, the parasite I released was a fungal parasite, which in my opinion is a lot harder to kill than a fluke, worm, or protozoa. ... ... [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...32 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,993

I actually didn’t go to any labs for testing. During my fifth liver flush, I ate 10-15 cloves of organic raw garlic everyday in preparation for my flush” ... ... Well, I hope you are well, but please stop telling peole who have clue about what they have they get better because of good sex, etc, and this is of course childish advice, and irresponsible, for people who are already shooting in the dark, and suffering without knowing what they are, and trying to treat it through natural means. Jazzy is exactly right. He is an example of how natural things do not work for something deadly like E. His ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...33 by Michael B 14 mon 3,063

Are you seriously going to declare in a public forum where thousands of people have cured themselves naturally that natural healing is childish and irresponsible? ... ... You are Waaaaaay out of line both in your behavior and your ideas and should not be giving advice out to anybody until you deal with your issues. [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...34 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,992

” i actually have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols” ... ... what exactly was the parasite you killed? did you have it confirmed by a leading infection specialist? There is NO way you knew even what you killed or even what you had, if it not was a big tape worm coming out your but, or if you even killed any parasite at all... ... ... Or was it something you see in your stool that looks like this or that. There are lots of psudo-parasites described in the best books on parastitology. Many many objects in the stool that by untrained eye looks very like known parasites, but that can ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...35 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,981

” i actually have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols” ... ... I agree Tropicalboy. It is amazing that some people make such tall claims! The deadliest parasites are not visible to the naked eye, and ”untrained” people cannot recognize it; and such people are hardly qualified to give advice. Such advice is assumed to work for others who equally have no idea what on earth they have. One needs to have ”clinical” experience to detect parasites and treat them, and so many people on this forum have no clue. The best is to ask probing questions about the exact symptoms and then possi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...36 by Michael B 14 mon 2,999

Your wimpy little anaerobic protozoa would be easily cured by eating 3 cloves of organic raw garlic a day. The parasite I eliminated from my liver, the mycelial form of candida, is infinitely more adaptive, intelligent, and difficult to kill than some wimpy E. Hystolica. ... ... Why pay a doctor thousands of dollars to prescribe you the same ineffective drugs that everyone is already using and not getting any results from? You think people using natural cures haven’t already walked down that dark road in the past? ... ... Have you done a CoQ10 megadose? No. ... Have you tried eating 15 cloves of raw ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...37 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,932

stead of realizing that doctors are full of sh*t and man made medication does not heal you, in fact it actually makes you sick, which is what you SHOULD have concluded, you instead reached the lame conclusion that the answer lies in finding a doctor who does mucus scraping. This is truly sad indeed and shows that you will take your kicking and screaming doctor worshipping victimhood straight with you to the grave, all the while proclaiming what nonsense natural healing is without ever DOING it. ... ... Quite a service you are doing for humanity. Reall” ... ... OF course I regained my life and health ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...38 by Michael B 14 mon 2,878

You are the weakest, whiniest non-westerner to ever disgrace this forum [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...39 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,021

”Upon completion of the flush I released several stones covered in mycelial candida along with copious volumes of sludgy candida particulate.” ... ... How on earth did you know it was fungus, many protozoan parasoites are indistingushable from fungus even in microscope if you not are very very well trained? But you knew!! Great you are the miracle man a genius. ... ... How did you know it not was normal flora, almost everyone have candida, but to my knowlede you must look at even candida in good microscope and even there it can be hard to distingusih from other normal funguses if not very well trai ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...40 by fred33m 12 mon 3,334

kill the parasites. ... http://www.frequencyrising.com/royalrife_frequencies.htm [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?

/118 41 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,215

Have you ruled out paraistes as I have suggested ... ... This is a protozoan parasite forum. ... ... Several of have been sick for long time....tired even endless natural remedies to little help....yes many natural remedies and diets etc will help polish the symptoms... ... ... First at least go to world leading infection specialists to rule out parasites....most infection specialists not do the necessary steps to rule out an very important parasite that yes can give horrible depressions and many many other horrible symptoms. ... ... I am so happy I met such a docor in the end.....yes a few diets could polish ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?42 by david1o1 14 mon 2,949

[quote] ... My health is back, I basically eat what I want....all types of crap was suggested to me, senistive to enviroment, wifii radiation, food alergy etc etc... ... [/quote] ... ... There are also others causes that can produce diseases symptoms, like dehydration, obstructions, intoxication and that’s why the foods you eat, the habits you follow, the environment you live in are important. ... ... But i agree with you, some parasites can really damage the human body tissues and decrease the efficiency of the elimination and of the selective assimilation of elements. ... [End]

Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 43 by Royal Unicorn 14 mon 3,729

Post below is Triple Recommended RRR: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1584938 [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 44 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,222

While I agree that such nonsensical cleansing will do nothing, I do not think that a clean body can handle parasites! Once a parasite like Histolytica gets hold of it, it is no longer so clean and healthy. It is poisoned from top to bottom. ... ... No diet will, and the person will get sicker and sicker, eventually so many things going wrong, which criminal doctors will consider isolate, such liver problems, kidney disease, pancres inflammation, gold bladder problems, and the doctors will be happy to do surgey and cut out parts of the body..... ... ... you see the mess then that will follow; doctor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 45 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,152

Such flushes can likely give short term symptom improvement in some paraiste infections... ... ... One dangerous parasite according to some of the very best books thick books on parasitology actually describe it can make the gut leak (through micro damage, many microscopic holes caused by the dangerous parasite), so anything in the gastro system will actually be kind of posionos to body at this stage, as it leaks into areas where it not should be...but yes we need food so we cannot stop eating forever, even if also total fast in this stage often also will help short term (symptom treament again ... [retrieve this message]

intestines are as permeable as cheesecloth. potato chips shred more inte...46 by thinker2012 14 mon 3,088

Potato chips rip apart thin permeable intestinal walls far worse and far more often then any known parasites ... [End]

Re: intestines are as permeable as cheesecloth. potato chips shred more ...47 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,089

”Potato chips rip apart thin permeable intestinal walls far worse and far more often then any known parasites” ... ... Where is your evidence? can you show us the study?when you come with such sayings you better have some proof for it... ... ... Is this based on people eating potato chips, then someone has opened their stomach and found damage, or from biopsies....you must be very careful by mixing correlations and causality... ... ... Assume 10 people with horrible stomach problems, biopsies of their intestine all show damage, all of them ate quite regularly potato chips, do this mean potato chips damge ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 48 by garliccures 14 mon 3,113

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day. ... ... The RX meds are always toxic. ... ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... ... Caveat Emptor ... ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 49 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,038

what lab diagnosed you with Histolytica, what doctor? or you did it yourself? ... ... All natural is good...ehh.... I assume you live under a tree in a big forest happy and teleport by your mind to the internet.... ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 50 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,930

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day.” ... ... Phantasy is phantasy; how did you know you have E. hItsolytica? WHo diagnosed it? I ate garlic every day, and so many others do, and they hare not helped. Obviously you do not know that Histolytica is not killed that way. YOu must be the BIG EXCEPTION. The rest of us are really unlukcy to need PROPER medical cure. [End]

"I don't see the big fuss"51 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,968

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day.” ... ... Obviously you really do not ”understand” at all the seriousness of E. Histolytica. And by the way, are you sure, that you got rid of in 5 days? ... ... And you are perfectly well? Healthy now? If so, what are you doing on this forum? There to offer people your advice on taking garlic. Or are you still ill, assuming that it is from something ”mysterious”? DO you have some constipation, diarrhea, headache, brain fog, skin rashes, hives, ba ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 52 by garliccures 14 mon 3,034

I don’t really get the anger. ... ... If you guys are cured, then congratulations to you. Go forth into the world and prosper. ... Why are you trying to work out issues here? I am not necessarily doubting that you are cured, but it seems like your anger is so over the top that you have some sort of issue still going on. ... ... If you are trying to help people, you have a strange way of doing it with all the vinegar and piss. ... ... FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, and herbal medicine was the de facto standard. The entire Rockefeller medical mafia is about as corrupt as anyt ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 53 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,104

Are you aware that only close to 100% sure diagnose of Histolytica is to find Tropocites with ingested red blood cells.... ... ... Did you know if he only found Entamoeba in stool test sent to lab? Did you even bother to find out, did you ask your doctor, do you even had the knowledge to ask him about this? ... ... If so he almost for sure only found Entamoeba Trophocoytes or Entamoeba cysts... Did you know that these then most likely are the Non-pathogen Entamoeba types you had, it dose not even nee treament.... so then may be garlic worked well. Did you know that at least doctors used to do this ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 54 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,110

”The entire Rockefeller medical mafia is ” ... ... I am sure many people and some people in almost every big family have done good and bad... ... ... was it not the Rockefeller that put a lot of money to clean new york area for malaria....ohh yes this was horrible was it not....becuse everyone could just have stopped eating sugar and slept under open sky in the swamps surounding manhattan... ... ... You are living in utopia, plese check up if you truly had Hitolytica or if you just had non-pathogen Entamoeba.....please stop spreading your garlic crap theory.... ... ... several people with truly diagnosed Hist ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 55 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,895

”FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, ” ... ... and what was life expectancy back then? ... ... In year 1900 life expectancy in USA was 47.8 years ... ... But yes many people lived to quite old, because this number include big death among babies....but yes even adjusted for this life expectancy was much lower than today. ... ... And in 1850 life expectancy in USA was only 38.3 ... ... well we could discuss this up and down....but what is your point, that everyone lived natural and happy and organic before 1900...long lives with no parasites..actually parasites was one of main problems b ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 56 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,851

”FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, ” ... ... man this is nuts; people are living a dark world. You cannot convince them; they are sick, and cannot find the cause, because the m*o*o*n and criminal doctors have not found anything, and now they want others live in a dark world. ... ... Comletely dangerous thinking. [End]

"Live and let live. Let the people pursue the treatment they want." 57 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,918

... ”Live and let live. Let the people pursue the treatment they want.” ... ... Wow, this is like free-market captalism, while you seem to endorse the opposing. ... ... When it comes to disease and diagnosis, this is not about letting people live and pursue their treatment. Oh my Gosh, when they have symptoms, a diagnosis has to be done a properly trained doctor, who can heal. ... ... Free choice you are talking about is what free capitalism also promotes. And in the dark ages, that you seem to endorse, when there was no westerm medicine, such thing was not there. ... ... ... ... We are saying what you guys are ... [retrieve this message]

"In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "58 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,957

Histolytica. ... ... So again, why are you on this forum? To tell people that you get better with garlic. I assume that you are still sick? ... ... Looking for natural cures for some unknown cause, now that you supposedly got rid of E. Histolytica with garlic. ? ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: "In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "59 by Michael B 14 mon 2,906

... have you even TRIED eating raw garlic before? ... ... Or did you throw a temper tantrum after biting off and spiting out your first bite because your spoiled, indoctrinated and westernized tongue was far too sophisticated for it? ... ... And did the ensuing FURY of not getting your way and being tricked, conned, and SCAMMED into trying natural healing NONSENSE that DARED to burn your superior westernized tongue with SATANIC GARLIC lead you on a CRUSADE to forever condemn the EVIL ways of natural healing and the QUACKS who claim to have healed themselves with natural methods? ... ... I hope mommy an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: "In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "60 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,864

I did not heal, but you did.? ... ... ... But I am now cured? How about you? Garlic did wonders for you? So why are you on this forum? To tell idiotic advice about garlic and parasites? ... ... You must be living in the dark ages. Now that your stool tests show that you are CLEARED. you must really believe those scientists ha? Keep believing, I am not the victim, you seem to be. and you are making others victims by giving this kind of advice. [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing...

/118 61 by david1o1 14 mon 2,954

[quote] ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... [/quote] ... ... Thanks for the laugh. :D ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 62 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,928

”[quote] ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... [/quote] ... ... Thanks for the laugh. :D” ... ... but again you people are likley not seeing the deeper truth... ... ... Many lyme disease doctors are basing the lyme diangosis on tests that not are accepted by any good medical science. Health authorities (even if they also can do errors quite ofene) warns against CD57+ NK cell count to diagnose lyme, also against LLT tests that many of thse crank lyme disease docrors relay on.. ... ... All the big ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 63 by david1o1 14 mon 2,850

[quote] ... You people are attacking doctors not knowledagbel in western medicine, this do not mean western medicine not have the answer....please if you are attacking a field then read the litterature first, not only listen to cranks that have studied fraction of it. ... [/quote] ... ... I don’t criticize an allopath doctor because he is an allopath doctor but because those i have met are ignorant and follow the procedure without using their mind to search for others causes of a chronic ”disease”. ... ... I am interested in the books you are talking about, please post some titles and authors. ... ... Thanks, [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 64 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,874

”I am interested in the books you are talking about, please post some titles and authors. ... ... I already did further up where u asked at first. :-) enjoy!! ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 65 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,948

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 66 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,944

You people should be attacking doctors not knowledagbel in western medicine, this do not mean western medicine not have the answer..” ... ... Exactly man, we have all something in common, We all think that most doctors are criminals, and do not do their homework. Sadly, some simply give up westerm meds and turn to natural ”CURES”; and then end up living lives misery; ... because they do not find the doctors who may do the real dirty work necesserary to find what is really wrong one. We did find such a doctor. [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 67 by Michael B 14 mon 3,092

”because they have no diagnosis, and only treat symptoms, whatever is supposedly wrong will be reomved as much as they can, thinking that is the cure.....” ... ... This is exactly what you are doing: instead of taking responsibility for your own health, your own decisions, your own internal state of mind and body, you are giving your power away to external doctors and either thinking they are criminals if they do nothing for you, or saints if they happen to prescribe a drug that kills off some wimpy parasite you have. ... ... But what you do not realize is that YOU are only treating your symptoms. Y ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 68 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 3,139

”In a clean body, parasites can do no harm. ” ... ... so make sure your body is clean, then let malaria infected mosquitos bit u then see what happen. ... ... Even cows only eating organic grass can get parasites....and die if not treated... ... ... parasite, large intestinal worms (tape worms are too big to hide when they a few times come out) are mentioned in more than 2000 year old books....yes they had herbs against these... ... ... we have enough science to understand how many of these spread....It was not clean bodies that got rid of Malaria in New York, yes New York had malaria and malaria mosquitos no ... [retrieve this message]

In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous diet69 by thinker2012 14 mon 3,074

In africa the natives were immune to mosquitos and malaria and tste flies UNTIL DR. ALBERT SWEITZER MD built the first european medical clinic in africa and brought boatloads and tons of refined sugar and refined sugary laden sweet breads to feed the local afrikaners every morning for breakfast, lunch, snack and at dinner, once the afrikaners had eaten the refined european sugar and had the refined white sugar bread donut goo in thier blood the mosquitos and tste flies went crazy to get at the refined white sugar in the the natives skin and of course, in the europeans refined sugar soaked ... [retrieve this message]

mds die at early age according to insurance actuaries70 by thinker2012 14 mon 2,918

Insurance actuaries say three, 3 main career groups die earliest and are HIGHEST RISK OF EARLY DEATH, first early age death group is restaurant owners- food gluttons? second earliest age death group is printers- due to toxic printing chemicals? third highest risk of early death, earliest to die group is mds- maybe because they eat the rx chalk they peddle or cut themselves with the knives they like to play with? ....... why would anyone listen to people who drop dead at average age of 57 to 59? ... [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...71 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,895

I have been on zero sugar diets many times in my life, mosqiotos still go for me....but may be less of them.... ... ... So yes we should just be clean, eat no sugar, but sugar is natural is it not...so agin a natural ”poison”.....what is sugar fruit sugar is sugar, milk sugar is sugar, you are talking about white porcessed sugar,, oohh yes the world processed then no longer natural.. ... ... what about buildings, they are not natural, so may be bad living in buildings, back to sleeping under a tree, good may be where you live, in coldest part of world may be not so smart...one of the reaons they got ... [retrieve this message]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...72 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,859

Unblelieveable what people today are prone to believe blindly, even when they obviously have access to information that they can save their lives, instead of dabbling in the pseudo sineces man. Really stupid to say that people do nto get malaira because they developed immunity! [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...73 by david1o1 14 mon 2,879

[quote] ... Cows only eating organic grass, no sugar no artifacts also get parasites if unlucky....may be you think these cows are punished because they sinded or so...in nature there was always a fight of the resources....tigers kill to eat, parasites live on hosts to live....is it so hard to understand...so tigers have no parasites, they do not eat sugar to my knowledge, yes also only meat eaters can get parasites.... ... [/quote] ... ... Ahahah i have repeated the same thing again and again but some people don’t want to accept the facts... ... ... I guess several schools of thoughts can be destroyed if ... [retrieve this message]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...74 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,854

Are you comaring animals to humans? They have a colon very different from the humans, oh, my gosh, you need some lession in this? ... ... You are misunderstanding what tropicalboy is saying. [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...75 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,961

I think all 3 of us agree.....just all typing fast ... ... we all agree just by living of organic grass or just by eating raw organic meat, or just by drinking water (one would starrve at some point) one can still get parasites... ... ... but yes living healthy eating healthy (hard to say exactly what is healthy, but yes that is another issue) one naturally tend to get stronger immune system etc...at least better at controling the parasites....but no matter how healthy we live we can get parasites... ... ... big human parasite worms are described even in very old books because any modern medicine, becaus ... [retrieve this message]

This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so many76 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,089

Some claiming that potato chips cut holes in the stomach, garlic cures E. Histolytica, flush this, and that, only shows that people are driven to madness by the lack of proper diagnosis and medical care..... by competant and well trained doctors. We all agree that most doctors are crooks, and their medical profession has been high jacked by pharma companies, and clinical experience has evaded it, flouting science itlsef, but this does not make it necessary to abandon asicnece and believe that garlic cures parasites..... when one is still ill with this and that. ... ... Go find a doctor who doe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...77 by chrisb1 14 mon 2,949

Shrimpy, ... those well-trained Doctors you refer to are the 3rd leading cause of death within the USA (Iatrogenic). ... ... Pasteur was right when he stated that the germ is nothing, and the terrain everything................. ... ... On the subject of any Parasites.......... ... ... ”Any parasite, including the malarian parasite, will be eliminated if the bodies system is clear of toxicity. ... Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean........... ... Parasites along with their larva and eggs are almost as ubiquitous as bacteria. We come in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...78 by david1o1 14 mon 2,864

Herbert Shelton has spread hygienic principles all his life and at the end of his life he was sick and lost his hair... ... ... One of my grandfather is dead older than Herbert Shelton and with all his mind, all his body power, all his hair, when he has eaten and drank all kinds of foods during his life. ... ... I say Herbert Shelton may have had parasites that ate his brain, a possible reason why he has lost his mind at the end of his life... ... ... Why people who follow hygienic principles as described by Herbert Shelton don’t live longer and with a better health than others people ? Maybe because the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...79 by chrisb1 14 mon 2,983

David, ... I’m afraid your comments re’ Herbert Shelton are in ignorance of the facts. ... Shelton’s premature death (90) was due to decades of overworking for his cause, and which eventually took its toll on his physique and nervous system. He was also the unwitting victim of a DHA deficiency, both of which resulted in his Parkinsons disease. ... It is common knowledge that any undue stress on the body (overwork for example) will require more than the average nutrients from even the best of diets. ... He was examined by his close friend, Dr Joel Fuhrman MD, towards the end of his life which confirme ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...80 by david1o1 14 mon 2,968

[quote] ... Shelton’s premature death (90) was due to decades of overworking for his cause, and which eventually took its toll on his physique and nervous system. ... [/quote] ... ... This is an excuse. Beside from the description on wikipedia, Herbert Shelton has lost his mind and his body capabilities at 77... (I know this may not be accurate, but why should i believe you ?) ... ... Here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_M._Shelton ... [quote] ... By 1972, at the age of 77, he was completely bedridden from a degenerative neuro-muscular disease believed to be Parkinson’s disease.[2] He died thirteen years ... [retrieve this message]

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/118 81 by jazzydude 14 mon 2,861

”Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean...........” ... ... I used to think that because I was healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life that I would be immune to health issues. ... It turned out not to be the case at all... As someone that never really got sick I could not believe that I was not able to get rid of Giardia and Entomoeba Histolytica easily. ... ... I think its better to have a healthy life style but also be very careful with your food and water sources and how your food is cooked. ... ... B ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...82 by chrisb1 14 mon 2,789

Jazzydude, ... ... ”Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean...........” ... ... I used to think that because I was healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life that I would be immune to health issues. ... ... But just because you were healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life, does not mean that you are free from toxemia whether derived endogenously and/or exogenously. This is why periodic water-only-fasting is considered essential by many to eradicate internal toxins. ... ... If you ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...83 by jazzydude 14 mon 2,841

If you are free from toxemia, then parasites are unable to survive. ... Cleanliness is next to godliness. ... ... When you say parasites do you mean all parasites? ... I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe that fasting will prevent all parasites. How would one test such a claim? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...84 by chrisb1 14 mon 2,765

Yes I mean all parasites. ... ”Man lives in such a manner that he breaks down his resistance to parasitic invasion. Parasites cannot harm the man or woman who has maintained, unimpaired, the integrity of his or her body.”.............. ... Herbert M. Shelton DP ND DC DNT DNSc DNPh DNLitt PhD DOrthop ... ... ... ”Parasites can be starved out and they will not again infest an intestinal tract that is kept sanitary by right food and living.”......... ... George Weger MD. ... ... ”It is impossible for parasites to develop in the intestines of a child or adult unless the digestive secretions are weakened to such an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...85 by jazzydude 14 mon 2,824

”Bechamp was right, the germ is nothing, but the terrain is everything”. ... ... I disagree, both should be taken in consideration. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...86 by chrisb1 14 mon 2,812

It was proven jazzydude by those who implemented the principle of Toxemia as the root-cause of most all disease. ... ... This has little to do with science but solely to do with health. Medical science is preoccupied with disease and managed illness, and not health or the prevention of disease. ... A gold-standard RCT is not required because it works in practice. ... ... ”Bacteria or for the matter of fact any germ is not the cause of disease. It’s the environment which plays the decisive role.........Dr. Nancy Malik. ... ... ... Germs have very little to do with disease.............. ... http://naturalhygieneso ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...87 by Michael B 14 mon 3,025

”but this does not make it necessary to abandon asicnece and believe that garlic cures parasites..... when one is still ill with this and that.” ... ... Abandon science? Lol ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976 ... ... Antimicrobial properties of allicin from garlic. ... Ankri S, Mirelman D. ... Source ... Department of Biological Chemistry, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot 76100, Israel. ... Abstract ... Allicin, one of the active principles of freshly crushed garlic homogenates, has a variety of antimicrobial activities. Allicin in its pure form was found to exhibit i) antibacterial activity aga ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...88 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,886

Keep believing this nonsense, and some idiotic person who says that garlic kills parasaite or the parasite is not disease causing, while you are still ill? ... ... So you all who take garlic must be feeling owesome right? ... ... ... So you really believe that stool tests show parasites because ”science” shows it, because some paper written by a ”scientist” demonstrated it? Yes, some idiotic scientists also said that Blastocystis causes disease, without of course having any ”clinical” experience. ... ... Keep believing this junk and hang around this forum and give people dangerous advice, that keep peopl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...89 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,870

histolytica, because they also say that stool test also also show E. Histolytica. ... ... Yes, scientific papers also say that. like the ones you cited. DO you trust them too? ... ... Or do you say that garlic work because you are CURED? Can you say that about yourself, ARE YOU CURED? BECAUSE I am. LIFE IS WONDERFUL FOR ME. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...90 by Michael B 14 mon 2,911

Proven wrong right before your eyes and you continue babbling. Absolutely amazing specimen you are. I highly doubt you are cured of anything. If you were, you wouldn’t be such a rambling doctor-worshipping dogmatic schizophrenic. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...91 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,891

ncluding multidrug-resistant enterotoxicogenic strains of Escherichia coli; ii) antifungal activity, particularly against Candida albicans; iii) antiparasitic activity, INCLUDING SOME MAJOR HUMAN INTESTINAL PROTOZOAN PARASITES SUCH AS ENTAMOEBA HISTOLYTIC and Giardia lamblia; and iv) antiviral activity. ” ... ... Wow, Michael, this your sience? You really believe this? Where did you did this up? Must have done a lot of research to find this out? ... ... WOW ”Antiparasitic activity....” This must be real rea; ”scinetific” evidence for real CURE ha, for killing parasites. SO whenever a paper says that ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...92 by TropicalBoy 14 mon 2,896

Michael, ... ... You never answered how you could be sure it was candida you visualy could see getting flusehed out by one of your flushes..., how you could be sure you had killed it, how you could be sure it even was cause of sickness...of course you have no idea even what you had, have, cured or not cured as from what you said you never had a proper done diagnostic. ... ... Yes yes I personally never said garlic not had some antimicrobial effect, in my view the ”health” effect of garlic is so very well know that basically everyone know it even as they grow up.... ... ... However it is very very differe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...93 by Michael B 14 mon 2,821

?? Your posts sound like an incoherent rant. What exactly are you trying to say anyway? Do you even have a point to make? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...94 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,789

Obviously, you are not getting any of the points Tropicalboy is trying to make; you are the one who had no ground stand on, in terms of flawd arguments you make about science, garlic, and so called ”wimpy” parasites, and ”Western toungues”; need I say more. Read the posts again, and again, if you do not understand what we are saying.... ; at least others may benifit from this. NOt you. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...95 by Michael B 14 mon 2,827

Sounds like desperation [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...96 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,736

Go get well before you give bogus advice to people. You are still sick and are not qualified to give people advice. Find help first.... before you pretend to act like a doctor about using garlic.... for parasites. Get well first. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...97 by garliccures 14 mon 2,777

before the year 1900, no human being or animal since the dawn of time has ever recovered from parasitic ’infection’ due to the lack of pharmaceutical drugs. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...98 by jazzydude 14 mon 2,831

before the year 1900, no human being or animal since the dawn of time has ever recovered from parasitic ’infection’ due to the lack of pharmaceutical drugs. ... ... Humans and parasites evolve. What worked before the year 1900 may not work or be out of context today. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...99 by Michael B 14 mon 2,856

Wimpy Shrimpy went to the Doc ... Wimpy Shrimpy followed the flock ... ”HELP! HELP! The BUGS are attacking!” ... Eat some Garlic, and stop your Quacking! [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...100 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,815

Obviousl this guy Michael B is still sick, because he seems to be having brain fog or his brain is not working. He is giving people dangerous and insane advice. Asking people eat garlic for parasites. ... ... Michaelb, stop pretending to be a doctor, and get well first, and stop giving people charlant advice making them further ill. YOU ARE A DANGER TO HUMANITY. There are really sick people who need genuine help here and for the love God spare them your quackery. ... ... NOthing more dangerous than self-quackery, quaking oneself into believing that garlic cures parasites! Go back to a different cen ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m... /118 101 by Michael B 14 mon 2,776

Would you like some cheese with that whine? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...102 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,880

... garlic kills parasites... when it is clearly evident that it has been firmly scientifically established.” ... ... ... WOw, firmly stablished? for someone who does not trust much scinece, this is a ”firm” statement? ... ... Yes, my question to Michael, who champions garlic cures is this: ... ... SO you must be really well now, not only attested by the power of scinece about garlic cure, but your own sovereign self-claim about it. NOw that you are better? ... ... So are you in super good shape? CURED BY garlic? Or are you around this forum because you some seemingly ”isolated” health problem? IF SO: ... ... WHat a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...103 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,804

By reading, your earlier posts Michael, it seems that you are sill quite sick with many problems, and you might really want to take our advice who regained our helth and find out if you still have E. Histolytica. Your garlic does not seem to have worked if you still have problems. ... ... Oh, by the way, E. Histolytica attacks and affect many organs, including liver, since you are doing liver flush and etc. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1929149#i ... ... It astounds me that if you are so healthy, and telling people that E. Histolytica is a wimpy parasite to kill, you have such problems with ... [retrieve this message]

Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" and t...104 by shrimpy123 14 mon 3,047

Once again, this debate shows that many people claiming bogus things like garlic cures this and that, and they got rid of some wimpy parasite by eating 15 garlic, are out of their minds, for whatever ”reason” if they have reason; surely most of the people making such absurd suggestions have no clue what they have; and they simply assume that they got rid of the parasite because perhaps they look into the toilet and determine that they do not have a parasite or go and do a typical stool test, which comes out almost always negative. But of course they are are still unwell. And then they have ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" a...105 by Michael B 14 mon 2,765

Ahhh it is clear now: you were one of those spoiled children who threw a tantrum, whined and shouted until mommy and daddy changed your protozoa soaked diapers. ... ... [End]

Re: Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" a...106 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,790

So, Mr. Strong Michael B, if you are so strong, why are you so sick still. ... ... It seems the wimpy parasite got you. NOt me.. I beat it. But he is wreaking havoc in you, it seems from your previous posts. ... ... Well, no point in telling a person who cannot use his brain, being a child...... ... ... Yes, go and make fun of people who get a deadly illness; you do not deserve to be on this forum. You are child. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...107 by Michael B 14 mon 2,799

Wimpy Shrimpy screamed and shouted, ... ”GO SEE A DOCTOR” he desperately touted, ... But his cry wasn’t heard; ... His message absurd- ... Lauding the Herd that he flouted. ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...108 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,774

Wimpy Shrimpy screamed and shouted, ... ”GO SEE A DOCTOR” he desperately touted, ... But his cry wasn’t heard; ... His message absurd- ... Lauding the Herd that he flouted.” ... ... Well, childish sick people who are suffering from brain confusion, and who think eating garlic is science to beat parasite, cannot be convinced. They are doomed to be sick. They cannot be helped. ... ... They believe in liver flushes, and because that is what their daddy and mommy told them; and not to read and write think critically. Brain-dead..... from parasites. ... ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...109 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,808

What entitles you to so freely insult others who have real experience healing themselves and who offer useful advice that would save others years of time and thousands of dollars? Really, what entitles you to so freely fling your harmful opinions around?” ... ... Mr. ”STRONG” man, Michael b, why are you still sick, if you are healed? Can you tell us that? ... ... You claimed that cured yourself with garlic. But Why are you having problems still? ... ... Can you be honest with yourself, or are you quacking yourself? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...110 by Michael B 14 mon 2,789

Teenie weenie ittie bittie wimpy shrimpy pooped his panties- ... a piping passel of parasitic protozoa did poopie-peon get. ... If uber stupid microscopic wimpy poopy protozoa pass a stool test ... Why didn’t whiny tiny limpy shrimpy go to see a vet? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...111 by shrimpy123 14 mon 2,737

You have been reported for abusing the forum. YOu are wasting everyone’s time. and still sick and completely unqualified to give advice. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...112 by #145783 14 mon 2,833

I’ve seen these types of anti Curezone pro pharma groups at Curezone before. Don’t acknowledge them ,they will continue to talk amongst themselves for a while then leave. No worry most people here can see through their scam. [End]

You forgot to mention...113 by zoho 14 mon 2,918

You forgot to mention the protective effect of the sickle cell gene common to many Africans. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?114 by Harry777 14 mon 3,050

If you are suffering from depression, I would test for Pyroluria before attempting anything else. I had all sorts of weird and wonderful symptoms including testing positive for Blastocystis Hominis before I discovered I have Pyroluria. It explained everything... ... ... I blog about it now. ... ... pyrolurialife.com ... [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?115 by explorer2009 14 mon 3,119

In strict terms, depression is excess of harmful ”Dryness” ... energy and colon is controlled by this energy. ... ... One of the easiest methods to treat depression of ... any origin is heating nails of both index fingers, first right then left, all over the surface, by 3 incense sticks tied together, holding them perpendicular to nails surface, to have constant pleasant flow of heat, each for ... 1 min. ... [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?116 by Blistering Fate 10 mon 3,973

Woah you can have one good laugh with this thread. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?117 by #461 9 mon 2,058

I would do a parasite cleanse first, then the liver flush. Dr. Clark noted that if you have parasites in your liver, the liver flush could make you feel ill. And I’ve not had to deal with a colon cleanse... I guess some say it helps but I’ve gotten pretty healthy again just dealing with the parasites and getting and keeping my liver clean. :) ... ... Of course this question was asked 5 months ago; I’d hope that you didn’t wait this long to do something, and I did notice that you never answered any of the resulting posts. I hope this wasn’t just a joke to you, to see how upset and annoyed you co ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?118 by Histopathlab 8 mon 2,026

You need to self confidence first and set your mind for only positive things do not think about negative things. [End]

So many theories, so little time!

by 6cubed 24 mon 1,444

I been cruzin da curezone and a lotta other ”Health” related web pages lately. Spent lots of time gathering the list below - And I coulda been out at the summer solstice at Stonehenge! ... ... With help from the Google, I was seeking the ”CAUSE FOR ALL DISEASE” but found it quite confusing! Each web site I found was equally insistent that their cause was the ”CAUSE FOR ALL DISEASE”. Forums here also reveal an incredible diversity of causes, many contradictory when compared. Some are related, some are well known and supported by ample mainstream medical literature, and... some are WTF!!!!!!! ... [retrieve this message]

Most disease is caused by poor cellular terrain by Dquixote1217 24 mon 1,500

I happen to agree with the great French scientist Antoine Bechamp: It all comes down to poor cellular terrain, which is where pathogens and disease are most likely to gain a foothold. What most often creates poor cellular terrain is undernourished, undercleansed and underhydrated cells in combination with toxins. ... [End]

Re: Most disease is caused by poor cellular terrain by chavey 24 mon 1,416

You are correct DQ. ... ... We are tempted by what sits on the shelves in supermarkets. ... ... Many need to know the importance of hydration and finding a balanced diet that suits them.listening to ones body is crucial. ... ... Finally, exercise within ones capability, smile occasionally and laugh a lot :) [End]

Re: Most disease is caused by poor cellular terrain by theherbalist2011 17 mon 1,454

Dq is correct. Let’s take it a step further with specifics. ... The bottom line cause of disease: When there’s a blockage/impairment of healthy blood flow to any tissue, then you’ll have a disease process. ”Life is in the blood.” And, unfortunately, disease is the lack of the life process which is in the blood. ... ... Some of the blockages of healthy blood flow are . . . catarrh, calcium carbonate and calcium cholesterol stones, etc. ... ... theherbalist ... ... [End]

Re: So many theories, so little time! by #142224 24 mon 1,435

Don’t forget the, I feel so threatened by what other people are doing I spent my whole day writing this list, cause for all diseases. [End]
- Threatened? No... by 6cubed 24 mon 1,429
  
  Thoroughly entertained daily by the curezone - YES! [End]
  - Re: Threatened? No... by #142224 24 mon 1,543
    
    People who are merely entertained do not spend hours or days trying to discredit others You just don’t realize how transparent your efforts are to those who see through you. [End]

Forum Owners and other posters

/56 1 by Webmaster 28 mon 2,531 Webmaster Debate / CureZone D / Webmaster

I posted a message here: ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1772458#i ... ... How to debate on CureZone? ... ... It would be great if all CureZone visitors would follow guidelines as a rule. ... ... Personal attacks by forum owners will never be tolerated on CureZone. ... ... ... While it is hard to get all forum visitors to follow the same rules, I at least ask forum owners to adhere to the higher standards. ... ... You, as a forum owner on CureZone should lead with your example. ... ... If you are a forum owner, and if you see that some of the messages you posted lately have been removed, it is most likely because ... [retrieve this message]

I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107...

by Cargoshorts66 28 mon 1,539

(this thread was moved from the Truth in Medicine) ... .. in the posts below. I tell people to read HV’s pages but not the other forums so much, especially if they have busy lives and not much free time. ... --------- ... There’s an opaqueness to CZ, and there has to be. Without anonymity would we talk in such explicit detail about intimate health issues? And if it’s true that CZ started as a liver flushing forum, that anonymity is probably in its DNA. But there’s a flip side to that - namely how tough it is to trust what you read, and also how tough it is for knowledgeable people to establish thei ... [retrieve this message]

What? by afflicted 28 mon 1,398

No offense intended, but... ... ... Your post starts out very simple and straightforward; in your opinion, Hv’s forum is the best and most of the other forums suck. ... ... That’s the subject of the thread, right? ... ... Then you put in this curious little horizontal rule to separate that line from the rest of your post: ... ”---------” ... ... And the rest of your post seems to be a long-winded string of unrelated thoughts (with very confusing and misleading transitions) that are mostly irrelevant to the subject. I kept struggling to figure out where the topic was going, and constantly found myself asking: ”w ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What? by chavey 28 mon 1,417

First conclusion, ... ... ”And the rest of your post seems to be a long-winded string of unrelated thoughts (with very confusing and misleading transitions) that are mostly irrelevant to the subject. I kept struggling to figure out where the topic was going, and constantly found myself asking: ”what’s the point?”. Am I just stupid? I’m guessing you made all this up as you went along.” ... ... ...but being the nice person that you are you end up by remarking.... ... ... ”Anyway, thanks for the very interesting post. And once again, no offense was intended. Have a great night! :)” ... ... You are also a bit con ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What? by trust2009 28 mon 1,334

the trouble is there must be connection from what the provider knows and gives to results which the body have the say of being healthy and happy and aware/wise. ... to start right the providers have to be one out of this great satisfaction in him so that he whatever he does he sees the result already and share it with others - it is well being to well being. ... I see that knowlegde is only a fight against the ones who use/abuse it and not to cure at all so take away the evil informtion and impossision we end up with unharmed effects provided by the great cause that we don’t know. Can a man fil ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107... by mo123 28 mon 1,341

Excuse me Joe! I started here as a member and one of the rules of curezone is not to use your real name so I used my husband’s username. I requested to have my name changed and the Webbie refused. To attack my forum because I do not use my real name but publish it very frequently is about as crazy as the rest of your post. ... ... Don’t want to come to my forum, Thank You GOD!! ... ... I think it is about time you spend more time in correcting any misinformation about Mr. H’s attacks and get on with your own life. ... ... Geez, ... ... Sara ... ... Oh and by the way Joe! My Islamic Name is Sara, and if you had ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107...(edited) by Cargoshorts66 28 mon 1,368

Wow. Prior to this I was a fan of yours. ... ... You’re feisty. If you go back and read that paragraph you will see I wasn’t attacking your forum any more than I was attacking the Autism Forum or the Christianity Debate Forum. I was just describing the user experience as shaped by the people who run CZ*, and making the case for a little more sunshine, a little more transparency. If that sounds crazy to you, what can I say. Never said that I didn’t like your forum. The recipes you post are no less helpful b/c one doesn’t know your name, and I have no reason to doubt that you really are an expert ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107... by grassman 28 mon 1,282

Reading between the lines is as hard as reading the lines themselves.Trying to be anonymous in the soup bowl called the internet is impossible.No fbi needed. [End]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107... by mo123 28 mon 1,264

I have never tried to be anonymous or secret. Read all my blogs, I am very frank about who I am and where I come from. The very first page of my forum there is a question? Who is Sara by Paulette, a global mod and I answer there. ... ... Quite frankly I was mad because the Webbie would not change my user name since I was a mod but oh well such is life. ... ... I did remove my picture after being cyberbullied for a year. There is a lot of hate for Islam on this forum and everywhere, quite frankly. ... ... What made me mad was the fact is that I have been quiet and not got involved in the least. Geez ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107... by mo123 28 mon 1,245

First of all I resented how you lumped me into moderators seeking to hide their identities to avoid prosecution because they may be doing something wrong. ... ... If you had done so much research to name and identify all of me then you should of read my entire forum and learned about me having MS and curing my disease and doing this forum for free and not getting one red cent. ... ... When you are researching further you would realize that me like you came to curezone using a ”User Name” and because I later got a forum, does not allow me to change my name. Do you really thing ”Spud” is her real nam ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107... by recovering 28 mon 1,312

”Sara is my Islamic Name and Barbara Trejo is my legal name. All of this is not yours or anyones business and I find it quite aggrevating that you thought it could be used to further you cause or agenda.” ... Okay MO123, if this isn’t anyone’s business why are you posting this information on Curezone, and dozens of other places on the Internet. ... And just would we find out if we ”checked with the FBI”? [End]

Re: I want to agree w/ Gina and 116107...(edited) by Cargoshorts66 28 mon 1,234

Apparently it was misinterpretted so I’d like to clarify my comment about moderators being afraid of lawsuits. I wasn’t saying ”they’re afraid of lawsuits, AND RIGHTFULLY SO!”.. I was saying that we live in litigious times and that’s a good reason to just use a screenname. I know if I had a forum I’d be thinking every 5 seconds, ”I wonder if that could get me sued...” For many years, up until January, we in the US have had a Congress controlled by Democrats, and a Democrat prez for 2 years. Some of the biggest contributors to the Dems and some of the biggest power brokers are the trial law ... [retrieve this message]

Re:Liability and tort reform. by grassman 28 mon 1,220

Now that is some funny stuff.Relax do not think to much of this zone or it will be just another negative in this experience called life. [End]

drunk people? by girlygirlygirl 29 mon 838

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And so MH kicks me out of his forum... by alb36 29 mon 676

If anyone wanted proof of how manipulating is this forum... I posted a message on the barefoot forum in which I was questioning whether or not we should believe all these guys that have something to sell. He replied with a hateful message to which I can no longer replay. In other words, if I don’t like what I hear, I don’t want you in my forum. ... He assumes that I don’t know anything about health when in fact I’ve gone through all his teachings and never got well, instead I got trapped into buying more things and into more detox. ... It’s just too funny! [End]

Mob rule in effect and under the radar of the inexperienced forum modera... by RyanD 31 mon 1,226

Inexperienced and ineffective moderation can lead to mob rule passive aggression and intimidation! This phenomena is not unusual amongst street gangs but an inexperienced website moderator may find this situation uncontrollable ,intimidating other members and keeping the concept of free discourse from taking place! ... This is similar to polling place intimidation! These indimidators are not breaking any laws by being in place and the subtleness of these aggressors goes unnocticed by the average inexperiencd passer by! ... Even if this is pointed out to authorities, if they are not familiar ... [retrieve this message]

Aloe Vera Potency and Quality and shape.

by stepsahead 4 year 4,447 CureZone Debate / Supplement / Herbal Deb

Hi Everybody, ... I d like to raise up a topic about the quality and potency of aloe vera you can buy as gelee,juice, sgels and tablets. ... ... I have to say, i started to take aloe as a gelee. Just like those expensive of bottle of gelee with so called Aloe Vera. However i had no effects on my body. ... ... I also bought bottle of Aloe Vera like the ones you get at the supermarket. for 2-3 weeks i only drunk it instead of water and i had NO effects on my body. ... ... Then, i tried tablets of ALoe vera, and strangly i had an effect in my intestine and kind of spaceness. (It is a situation i got after ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Aloe Vera Potency and Quality and shape. by kevinw 15 mon 1,335

I got a second degree burn on my hand so I’m using aloe vera to stop scarring and I put a boat load full on every day. ... ... Of course anything you put on your skin goes into you blood stream. ... ... Maybe it has to do with the brand. ... ... Here is an article than talks about some ideas on choosing a good brand. ... ... Tips on Choosing Supplements [End]

Don't fall for the mainstream propaganda "free ebook" offer by Dquixote1217 15 mon 1,805

Kevin, stop promoting your anti-natural healing mainstream propaganda "free ebook" which actually ropes people into signing up for a subscription when they sign up for the ebook. ... [End]

Re: Aloe Vera Potency and Quality and shape. by RONBN49 4 mon 379

Most liquid aloe vera is diluted and not effective. Cost is also high. I have found whole leaves in my grocery store and filet them and use the natural raw aloe mixed in a vitamix or blender with coconut water. For those with a sick colon like I had you will be eliminating junk from the colon and it certainly works and does what it’s suppose to do. I now grow my own in my yard but this can only be done if you live in a warm tropical climate or a hot dry climate. Frost will kill it. [End]

Re: Aloe Vera Potency and Quality and shape. by #137170 4 mon 812

Has anyone tried Aloe Vera powder? I’d like to know more about it and how you felt after taking it. ... Thank you [End]

How Safe and Effective is Kratom for Pain Relief?

by hounddog23 4 year 3,841

I have been reading alot recently about Kratom. I have been looking for a herbal pain re leaver for some time and Kratom comes across as some kind of miracle cure. Has anyone tried using or know of anyone using who can give first hand feedback? [End]

Re: How Safe and Effective is Kratom for Pain Relief? by karenita 33 mon 4,675

I can’t speak from a medical perspective but I can speak from personal experience. I was addicted to Tramadol (synthetic opiate) for about 3 years. Getting off was extremely difficult and I did it twice. I was very depressed and took Tramadol to get through days, and for the most part it worked. But I didn’t like taking a drug, and my overseas pharmacy stopped carrying it, so I went off for good two years ago. It took a week of hell both times to get off it. ... ... Then I learned about Kratom. I was surprised, I’d never heard of it before. So I first bought the powder, tried a little but didn’ ... [retrieve this message]

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  What does it mean when the message body has been removed by the moderator? How do I know what the person said? [End]

(edit)What is your opinion of using multiple aliases while posting on th...

by TheObserver 4 year 1,935

Please just offer your opinion and do not comment on anyone elses opinions who may post on this thread. ... ... A simple request ... ... Thank you ... ... TheObserver ... ... (edit) You are right - Zoe ... ... So forget this post - lets move on ... [End]

Re: What is your opinion of using multiple aliases while posting on the ... by Zoebess 4 year 1,971

...why throw fuel on a fire by asking ... this question? It is obvious that it ... can cause significant problems and it ... is also obvious that it is something ... that is not easily managed. ... ... In a perfect world... ... ... Meanwhile, wading through the BS has ... become business as usual. Fortunately, ... there does seem to be a strong focus ... on limiting it to the debate forums. ... ... The issue is cyclic, like the full ... moon syndrome. You think things have ... gotten better then the madness begins ... again. What is a person to do?? I ... personally think hiding the debate ... forums is a good option. If you find ... yourself ... [retrieve this message]

The myth of acids and muscle coontraction

by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,890 CureZone Debate / Alkaline/A / Facts or F

Moreless is at it again with his pseudo-scientific and misleading ”evidence”. First it was posting that mushrooms (fungi) growing in a acidic compost is proof that Candida albicans fungus grows in an acidic environment. His information may be useful if you ever break out with a case of mushrooms instead of Candida. Otherwise his ”evidence” is worthless. The real applicable studies I posted prove that acidity not only turns off the Candida albicans growth gene, but it also keeps the Candida in its less pathogenic yeast form. Alklainity turns on the Candida growth gene and causes the Candida ... [retrieve this message]

This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontraction by #49156 4 year 2,609

...there is a forum for ’personal conflicts’. ... ... According to CZ TOS and Posting guidelines if you want to ’challenge’ M/L you can do it in his own forum, or in the Personal Conflicts forum. As for calling people a liar, I don’t know if that’s allowed in ANY forum. [End]

Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,629

Support includes providing facts. ... ... And what about Moreless’ relentless attacks on me? Are you going to complain about that also? [End]

Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by wombat 4 year 2,649

Moreless has been criticized a LOT for his bad science, but the fact of the matter is that he’s helped many, many people. Most aren’t scientists anyway so they’re not going to know the difference. ... ... He has been attacked, relentlessly, just look at the acid/alkaline debate forum, personal conflicts, cz experts debate, etc, etc, etc. So he has little patience for dialogue, he’s ”my way or the highway”. ... ... And I wouldn’t worry about the fact that he banned you and is talking you down, join the crowd:) ... ... His criticism does not denigrate what you say in any way, he’s just tired of arguing the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by JustinL 4 year 2,729

This is true ! Havapill is not the first to attempt to discredit Moreless. Wombat and her creepy coharts along with a pro pharmaceutical troll spent months bashing and attempting to discredit Moreless and yet here he is still curing people of problems that no one else could before him,including many of the faux healers on Curezone! ... ... ML sells nothing but does dig into the pockets of those who do here at Curezone. Is it any wonder he has enemies! ... ... Just like Havapill any pill Hveragerthi will spend hours with his establishment neo pharmaceutical jargon and twenty dollar words spewing his ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,521

I see M sent his flunky to do his dirty work for him again. After all M is afraid to confront me in an OPEN forum because every time he posts he discredits himself and I prove it. That is why he attacks me from his little hiding place where he will not let me defend myself against his false claims against me. ... ... By the way Justinsane, I do not get paid for doing this. And I have pointed this out several times. So why do you insist on lying? Taking lessons from M? ... ... As for your claim that M does not sell products then why have people asked about his products? ... ... And as for your attacks on ... [retrieve this message]

Why waste the time? ?n/m by JustinL 4 year 2,483

Why waste the time? ?n/m [End]

Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by JustinL 4 year 2,608

T W V H C what a team! [End]
- Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,654
  
  The Moremyth busters! [End]

Re: This is a support forum...Re: The myth of acids and muscle coontract... by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,595

Yes, I have seen Moreless go on the warpath numerous times. Anyone not agreeing with him ”is doing the Devil’s work”. And as much as I dislike his tactics of trying to scare people away that prove him wrong, my biggest concern is the dangerous advice he gives. Whether he claims to have helped someone or not is really pretty irrelevant. Doctors claim all the time to have helped people, but how often is that the truth. If a doctor knocks back a cancerous tumor with chemotherapy until it is no longer detectable has the doctor really helped that person? If the doctor gives someone a statin dru ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The myth of acids and muscle contraction by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,905

M: ”This post is an effort to clear up WHY Calcium Relaxes Muscles along with Magnesium, but the so-called experts cannot understand ! ... ... The problem is that the claim of calcium relaxing muscles is WRONG, and it has been proven wrong over and over. Some people just refuse to admit when they have been PROVEN wrong! ... ... I have covered other Details in this post: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1389409#i ... ... ... ... For this present post I will try to make it Simple to understand? ... ... Acids Cause Muscles to Contract !” ... ... RESPONSE: Wrong. Again, if this were the case then how do we move? Ho ... [retrieve this message]

I see whats going on! by JustinL 4 year 2,572

This is the same set up as last time Curezones hate squad tried to get Moreless banned! You can all go buy stock in Havapills rectal insufflication machine! lol! ... The same people and we know who they are ,the product sellers , are sitting on their haunches waiting for the lynching of ML! Bunch of drug pushers! [End]

Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds??

by mo123 4 year 12,967 Flax Seed / Cancer Deb / CureZone D

... ... ... Ask an Expert: Soy and flax in hormone-receptor-positive breast cancer survivors ... ... ... Q. If a hormone-positive breast cancer survivor wants to be proactive in her cure, should she avoid/limit as many phytoestrogens as possible, or just soy and flax, which seem to be high in these estrogen mimics? ... ... Dr. Miles Hassell ... ... Answer from Dr. Miles Hassell, director of the Integrative Medicine Program at Providence Cancer Center: A good case can’t be made for breast cancer survivors to limit dietary phytoestrogens. Doing so would require the elimination of a high proportion of everyday, hea ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds?? by Hveragerthi 4 year 11,609

Phytoestrogens DO NOT promote cancer. Phytoestrogens are on average 200 to 400 times weaker than the body’s own estrogens. They can lock up estrogen receptors though blocking the actions of stronger estrogens. This is why many studies have found anti-cancer properties to soy and other phytoestrogen sources. In fact many phytoestrogens and phytoestrogens are routinely used to fight cancer. Red clover blossoms for example, which contains the same phytoestrogens found in soy plus two others. And resveratrol from grape skins, which is also a phytoestrogen. And what about broccoli and other cru ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds?? by mo123 4 year 11,520

Yes, I know you love soy and that is debated for a long time and highly respect your opinion but like so many others have stated, I feel soy is bad for you. My opinion will never change on that subject for sure But what you want to believe is up to you. ... ... Grape cure, no thanks, it was not a success in my book. ... There are more that state it was a failure and no very few who ever said it was a success. If it was so wonderful, we would have a forum here, daa. ... ... I think the main point of the article was that flax is not a problem for breast cancer survivors. So many are touting estrogen ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds?? by Hveragerthi 4 year 11,543

Chaparral has bee shown to be effective for cancer. Is there a chaparral forum? Many lichens are effective healers as well. Are there forums for them? ... ... So why are the phytoestrogens in flax OK, but the ones in soy are bad when they are all phytoestogens? And why are the phytoestrogens in soy bad when the same exact phytoestrogens in other foods and herbs used to treat cancer are bad? I would really love to understand this concept. This concept totally eludes me as so many ”healthy” foods and herbs contain much higher levels of phytoestrogens than soy. [End]

Re: Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds?? by mo123 4 year 11,407

You have debated soy on a number of occasions and I choose to let debates go to the cancer forum. It is better to leave this forum for positive input only on flax. ... ... SARA [End]

Re: Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds?? by Hveragerthi 4 year 11,392

It is not about debating it is a simple straight forward question that I am sure others are also curious about. Why are the same exact phytoestrogens dangerous in soy but not other foods. Especially when other foods are higher in these phytoestrogens, but are considered safe. ... ... This forum is for asking questions, and I am asking a question I am curious about. [End]

Re: Should a breast cancer survivor avoid soy and flax seeds?? by mo123 4 year 11,949

http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1316776 ... ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1124862 ... ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=316222 ... ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=333562#i ... ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=333562#i ... ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1324898 ... ... http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=335266#i ... [End]

Liver flushing question

by #109505 4 year 4,163 CureZone Debate / Liver Flus

hey... well I have read a lot about how liver flushing can help and treat diseases and acne. Most of what I read includes couple days recipes using Epsom salt. Also when I go to a natural health store there are products that claim to cleanse the liver. Can I use a liver cleanse product and get rid of gallstones as I would use the Epsom Salt method? [End]

Re: Liver flushing question by hanna 4 year 3,801

No the products you buy in the store are mainly for detoxing. To get the stones pushed out you need the flush. ... Read about different flushes under cleansing at top of page. [End]

Re: Liver flushing question by Hveragerthi 4 year 3,788

To treat acne and many diseases associated with poor liver function, such as hormone imbalances, you need to actually cleanse the liver. ”Liver flushes” with the olive oil, magnesium and lemon juice WILL NOT work. The ”stones” being passed are saponified olive oil. And these flushes do not really cleanse the liver to help it work better. ... ... If you really want to cleanse the liver the most effective way is with digestive bitters. These are bitter tasting herbs that when they come in to contact with the bitter receptors on the tongue they stimulate the vagus nerve. This in turn flushes out t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver flushing question by Samantha Glick 4 year 3,513

If this is simply olive oil stones we are passing, why do they only come out sometimes, even though we are using the same method each time? ... ... Shouldn’t the ” soapstones” be produced each time, if that, is indeed the case? [End]

Re: Liver flushing question by Hveragerthi 4 year 3,754

No, not necessarily. The presence of cholesterol is also going to play a major role as the sterols in the olive oil have a very strong binding affinity for cholesterol. The sterol-cholesterol complex therefore can play a role in the formation of the ”stones”. ... ... You ought to read this: ... ... http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm ... ... ... ”Gallstone Flush ... ... People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited to ”flush” them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts, and three cups of water. ... ... ... It was a nice idea, and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver flushing question by Samantha Glick 4 year 3,425

It sounds as though you are describing calcified or harder stones stones? ... ... ... Why do I feel so much better between each flush? ... Are you thinking this is the placebo effect? ... ... I have been sick for some 15 years, and finally had a gall bladder attack last Feb-08, with pain, nausea, etc, unable to eat meat for a week or so prior without becoming nauseous....after the first flush, which produced a very small number of stones, i felt better....and nobody was more skeptical than me. ... ... ... I also thought those who believed we have parasites were mad, but have seen them leave with my own eyes, lo ... [retrieve this message]

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Re: Liver flushing question by #114170 4 year 3,208

Beware of these medical trolls. They are well trained to hammer alternative health. The pathguy, the cadaverist has made a name for himself doing just that! ... Beware of anyone using the pathguy or Stephen Barret as reference. A sure give away that these people are not legit. [End]

Re: Liver flushing question by elna 4 year 2,999

I have been warned against the liver gall bladder flush by the doctor who has told me I could end up in life threatening situation requiring emergency surgery and that they routinely have patients who try the flush who end up in same ER situation. ... ... However the docs cannot help my swollen painful liver or my many other health problems that could be related so I still debate about this. I just had emergency appendicitis and it could have easily burst as I had to wait so long for the surgery so am not interested in risking this as well. ... ... I was going to thank the Hva (can’t repeat the nam ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver flushing question by poodlestix 3 year 2,038

Well, I have a definitely positive experience using Hulda Clark’s liver flush. I most definitely had gallstones. This was back in 2001. All I knew was that I was in so much pain that I thought I was about to die, and my husband was out of the state. Normally I avoid doctors and hospitals like the plague, so when my husband found out that I had driven myself down to the ER, he knew I must be doing pretty badly! One of the doctors in the ER gave me an ultrasound to figure out what was going on & told me that my gall bladder was full of stones. Armed with this new knowledge and preferring nat ... [retrieve this message]

take it to the debate forum, doesn't belong, here by msteve666 4 year 3,342

n/m [End]
Re: Liver flushing question by newt2009 4 year 3,466

Thank you for this! [End]

One does not need to wonder... by grzbear 5 year 1,693

why we are so disease prone and vulnerable these days... ... ... http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Scientists-found-ancient-Human-Germ-Killer-1062-1/ ... ... additionally, one has to wonder about the chemical production and use of synthetic NPN proteins... ... ... Isn’t this what some vaccines are made of? ... ... What IF the synthetic protein, exposed to and incorporated into living systems, mutates into a virus? ... ... Earp-Thomas wrote in the 1930’s of a time when nutritional deficiency diseases would appear to mimic, and surpass those described in Revelations... add the messing around with synthetic ... [retrieve this message]

Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!

/54 1 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,659

It was interesting to read recently on barefoot’s forum that he again admits he doens’t take his own advice regarding diet. ... ... he recommends a mono diet, but doesn’t eat a mono diet. he recommends a fruitarian diet but doesn’t eat a fruitarian diet. and lets leave the breatharian fantasies out of this thing for the moment. ... ... believe this - EVERY SINGLE PERSON I PERSONALLY KNOW OF, OR HAVE HEARD OF, OR WHOSE TESTIMONY I READ ONLINE, WHO HAS GONE FRUITARIAN HAS HAD DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT FAIL! ... ... the most common side effect is hurting, rotting, loosening, and bl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!2 by grzbear 5 year 3,408

strict adherence to a diet such as this, for extended periods of time does not make any sense at all... why does common sense go out the window? ... ... Eating as everything else is, cyclical... in colder weather more vegetables, roots, and a bit of animal protein and fat is in order. ... ... I agree with you... ... ... That said, the warmer the climate, the more fruit one can tolerate... to a point. Even wild primates eat vegetables, leaves, roots etc. Then there are issues with the quality of the fruit being consumed and the soil it is grown in... offering different nutritional profiles\ratios. ... ... Ch ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!3 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,310

i am almost sure that someone somewhere is thriving on a fruitarian diet. i also know people who thrive on mccdonalds and coca cola. ... ... my main complain really has nothing to do with diet. it is advising others to do something that he himself refuses to do. what kind of crap is that? ... ... and then he abandons people who take his advice and have disastrous consequences as a result? gimme a break. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!4 by #94312 5 year 3,404

... Wow ! Someone is awake at Curezone . I and others in the past have challenged this a few times without much response except name calling .Good post Quint Essentia. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!5 by grzbear 5 year 3,406

”my main complain really has nothing to do with diet. it is advising others to do something that he himself refuses to do. what kind of crap is that? ... ... and then he abandons people who take his advice and have disastrous consequences as a result? gimme a break.” ... ... I understood your point... my post was intended to add to yours, hopefully stimulating people to use a bit of common sense when told\sold ANYTHING as gospel... ... ... Man has evolved on many different fronts, some on a primarily vegan diet like the Bantu, and others on almost entirely animal proteins and fats like the Inuit... I hav ... [retrieve this message]

yes, I agree with you n/m6 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,224

yes, I agree with you n/m [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!7 by #52183 5 year 3,319

i agree with this notion as well, but i don’t agree with this personal attack on mh. ... ... i believe zachster was from florida. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!8 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,281

why is challenging someone to actually take their own advice a ’personal attack’? ... ... i said his actions are cowardly and pathetic. i stand by those comments 100%, because they are. ... ... anyone who recommends someone else do something that will destroy their health and then mock them when they actually do it has something wrong with them. thats how i see it. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!9 by #52183 5 year 3,277

calling someone ”pathetic and cowardly,” as well as suggesting he has ”destroyed people’s health”. that’s beyond personal attack. ur a getting into defamation. ... ... i don’t see his message in the way u do, sorry. i would suggest if u feel so strongly about this, u take it up with him personally or with the webmaster. or take it to the personal conflicts forum. i really don’t know what this has to do with curezone overall. where is this going for u? [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!10 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,209

”where is this going for you?” ... ... i have an opinion, so i express it. does it need to ’go somewhere’? [End]
- Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!11 by #52183 5 year 3,212
  
  no, i hope it goes no further really, for ur sake. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!12 by #52183 5 year 3,314

whoah nelly. what high horse do u think ur riding sonny? first, nobody here practices 100% what they preach, and secondly, since when does not practicing an ideal preclude u from being able to discuss or advise it? a smoker can’t tell another smoker its bad for them? if this is ur complaint sonny, u might as well indict the entire curezone site. ... ... mh practices lengthy fruit juice fasting, so in this regard he is not hypocritical in what he advises. it is apparent u don’t read his site and forum in great detail, nor do u understand his writing style. u r just another surface surfer who cho ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!13 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,304

zach is the only person on the that forum who actually had the balls to take MH’s advice seriously and he paid a high price. and then MH and others mocked him when he fell. how pathetic and cowardly. ... ... my post still stands. if MH believes fruitarianism is so great, then he should put up or shut up! [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!14 by dsr 5 year 3,330

... http://www.suvine.com/ ... ... ... ... http://www.fruitgod.com/ ... ... ... ... http://www.fruitgod.com/ ... many fruitairians on this forum, talk to them ask them questions ... ... many other poeple and sites I could list, and as far as Zack you don’t know what happened to him for sure so how can you say he went down, cause you have no idea what he is doing, just cause he don’t post anymore. ... The problem people have is that they don’t stick to just fruit they slip and mix ib to many acid foods, [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!15 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,361

and what did MH and other forum members do when zack went off? ignored him and/or mocked him. very sad. ... ... as for others who do the fruitarian thing, well good for them. they aren’t MH are they? if you are going to recommend other people do something then you should have the balls to do it yourself. that way you know the pitfalls and can help others who also attempt to do it. see? ... ... when it comes to fruitarianism MH is all talk and no action. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!16 by #52183 5 year 3,268

why do u care so much about what mh does? [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!17 by #52183 5 year 3,164

oh, i get it now. u feel like he snubbed u on the black walnut recipe. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!18 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,156

dissed me on the black walnut question?? haha! ... ... if you really want to know how this started, yet another person who took MH’s advice about fruitarianism posted on the ’ask cure forum’ after their teeth started rotting. it pissed me off that yet another innocent victim fell into MH’s dietary advice trap. ... ... so, i got annoyed and posted the message that started this thread. see? it annoys me when people give bad advice that has negative affects on others people health and they both refuse to take their own bad advice and refuse to take responsibility for steering people wrong. it demonstra ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!19 by #52183 5 year 3,208

took his advice? how do u know that? this person has only posted twice in mh’s forum! ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=626&ob=d&c=0&t=150&m=%2396432 ... ... ... u got pissed? what a laugh. u r sitting in so much bs how do u have clean place to sit? ... ... there are countless ppl on this site that recommend fruitarian, mono, raw, vegetarian diets toward achieving better health. why aren’t u attacking them i wonder? u want to take down the big dog becuz u think it will give u more attention. and that’s what this is all about. that and u feel slighted by mh in some way. ur immaturity is unbearab ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!20 by #94312 5 year 3,282

No one really cares at all what MH does to himself ,its the bad advice he gives to people who trust him. Advice that is surely over the top and potentially very harmful. If MH cannot follow his own advice, swallow his own medicine or refuses to for what ever reason then he should not try to convince others to do so. This is unethical and abusive. ... I remember the guy Zack, it was a pitiful display. He sent in before and after pics with his before pics with him pushing his gut out and the after pics with him holding his stomach in and sticking his chest out! The guy was delusional, I think h ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!

/54 21 by #52183 5 year 3,268

he does not explicitly or directly advise anyone to become frutarian or breatharian. merely discussing the subject as an ideal is very different than actual ”advice” to become those ideals. ... ... like the orig poster, u misinterpret the message and extrapolate ur own personal context with all sorts misguided judgments. i don’t agree with everything mh writes but to suggest he’s abusive, destructive, cowardly. this all very extreme. u must have a personal axe to grind. good luck with that. ... [End]

Re: Beware not debatable.22 by grassman 5 year 3,224

There is no debating going on here but there is a we-bit of emotionaly charged nothingness.We could debate the definition of fruitairian dietary intake.We could also debate fruit from a botanical point of view but if not.This thred should be put to rest,most people are awake and aware as well as responsible.Jeff. [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!23 by #52183 5 year 3,185

u have a reading comprehension problem. mh writes constantly of these ideals and zach decided on his own to self experiment in fruitarianism. unless u r zach, i don’t know how you can know anything real about his health condition. ... ... regardless, please answer the questions posed: since when does not practicing an ideal preclude u from being able to discuss or advise it? why does the author have to be the model in order for the message to have merit? ... [End]

My 2 cents24 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,274

I have not followed the drama in question as I do not make it a practice to frequent many of the other private forums. I have to say that I agree with you about a person being able to impart advice without following it theirselves. I do not have cancer, nor do I have a great many other conditions I am asked about in my private forum as well as on other public forums, so it would be rather rediculous for me to take all of the things I recommend for all of those various conditions. ... ... And I will be the first to tell you that, while I do a lot of good things, I do not live nearly ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents25 by #52183 5 year 3,179

well stated dq. i’ll take ur two cents. ... ... in the case of mh, i have not seen him recommend ppl become anything. he uses the word ”self” in all his dealings. self-applied prevention. self experimentation, etc. ... ... he does directly advocate fasting and specific herbal supplementation, which he himself practices in-depth, so i fail to see the hypocrisy? there is countless free information on his forum and web site to support people through this, so i’d say he has more than sufficiently met this obligation u suggest. ... ... beyond that is fair game to discuss ideals and theories which may or may n ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents26 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,261

ok, gimme a break. dont try to sugar coat this. ... ... when zack first started posting MH always responded glowingly to his posts. then once zack’s fruitarian experiment started going awry MH bagn to ignore him more and more. other posters made fun of him and MH even laughted along with them. i read these posts myself. so dont give me some ’its all in the eye of the beholder’ crap. clearly MH hoped zack would just go away. ... ... if you advise someone to take a specific course, and they take your advice and then have trouble, its your obligation to at least attempt to help them. at least TRY! MH d ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents27 by dsr 5 year 3,275

Zack went off into many, many things other than fruitairianism, some of the things that MH didn’t swallow or believe in and they had nothing to do with the diet. I never ever once read, nor can you produce a post from Zack where he said he was having trouble with the fruit only diet all he ever did was praise it. He even got bck on the fruit diet to cleanses himself from his $500,000.00 dollar Willey the breathairian diet of McDonalds cheese burger and diet coke diet. And that is a fact and in the post. So where Willey why did he dicth him after his advice. ... ... The fruitairian diet rocks an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents28 by #52183 5 year 3,112

u have absolutely no idea what has gone down. they had a personal relationship outside curezone. how mh chooses to handle that situation on his forum is not for u to judge or speculate about junior. ... ... so, what, u r here to save zach and others from mh? please. u r a flipping child whose wanting attention and slaps on the back by other curezoners who have chosen to dislike mh. nobody cares what u have ”noted elsewhere” becuz its all patzer babble of which u know absolutely nothing about. ... ... ur opinion? its worth jack. based on what i’ve read, u know nothing boy. best get off that high hors ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents29 by dsr 5 year 3,141

Nobody in this thread has tried the fruitarian diet, has never followed or talked to any of the many people that have and are doing it very successfully, you are running it down calling it dangerous and radical. Yet I see no information from you on the perfect diet and lifestyle that is the best for everyone. Give me a break, this is a waste of my time. You want to talk about dangerous and radical look at the majority of people in this country, obese, sick, disabled a major, major drain on the system. It is unsustainable and about to collapse any day on the american standard diet. Cost bil ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents30 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,178

so you are saying that they dont advise people to do something, then when the person runs into trouble they dont mock them and drive them away? wow. sounds good to me, excellent. too bad MH cant behave that way. ... ... again, my complaint ultimately isn’t about fruitarianism. its about advising someone to do something then abandoning them when they run into trouble. [End]

Re: My 2 cents31 by dsr 5 year 3,178

So where is Zack and what is he doing right now? When did he get into trouble, when he paid Willey the breathairian $500,00.00 to learn how to become breatharian, only to be told to eat McDonalds everyday so he could ascend to the fifth dimension in his light body, or did he get into trouble when he started the chembusting and doing the argon stuff. Tell me (us) how Zack is, where he is, what he is doing , how he is eating and whatlife style he is following, please!!!!!! Then tell me these people that are living the fruitairian lifestyle very successfully are wrong and that they should not ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents32 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,217

hey, if fruitarianism is working for someone i think thats great. more power to them. ... ... i can confidently say you have missed my major points here. and thats ok. [End]

Re: My 2 cents33 by dsr 5 year 3,112

The point is you don’t know how Zack is doing can’t produce one singlw post where he said he was having trouble with it or can you produce one single post where MH flips him off cause Zack was having trouble with a diet that MH promotes even though he doesn’t follow it to the tee, can you. No so what is your point without this? which he openly admits doesn’t hide it or lie about it ... ... love ya man [End]

Re: My 2 cents34 by grzbear 5 year 3,302

many\most people do not understand ethics, morality, nor do they accept responsibility for themselves, let alone someone else, nor do they feel a sense of obligation to anyone, oftentimes, even their own families, as evidenced by what they do, and by what they buy, and then feed their children... what makes you think anyone here would understand your points given that? ... ... I am pretty sure that some get it... like DQ and his sense of obligation post in this thread. ... ... some never will... sad. ... ... grz- ... ... [End]

Re: My 2 cents35 by #52183 5 year 3,134

i still don’t see his point. its completely misguided. immature really. fact im surprised u see merit in this ridiculous rant given your typical level-headedness. i guess u have a grudge to grind too. sad. ... ... there’s been absolutely no proof provided for these allegations of ”destructive diet” or ”destroyed health”, ”abandonment” etc. the fact is mh has helped and given to far more ppl on curezone than u or quinty put together, so why don’t u guys put up or shut? lets see u donate ur time, energy, money, herbs to ppl who truly need it. [End]

Re: My 2 cents36 by #94312 5 year 3,189

So, in my opinion, yes, a smoker can say do not smoke, a drinker say don’t drink, and a fast food eater say don’t eat fast food, etc. ... ... Nothing wrong with a little hypocrisy I suppose. Seems to me fasting is a fine art, not to be taken lightly because of the consequences,if done incorrectly or inconsiderate of the total medical profile of the individual it is just plain sloppy advice bordering on reckless behavior! To give advice and ignore the symptomology of the protocol is just plain old lousy health ”care” ! Do no harm is the first and foremost objective in all healing modalities, to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents37 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,149

Hypocrite is kind of a tricky label - like ill-considered advice it is all to easy to throw out there at someone. If I advise someone that it is never right to strike a woman and then go home and beat up my wife or girlfriend, I would be a hypocrite of the highest order. On the other hand, if I advise a would-be soccer player to practice juggling the ball, dribbling, trapping and other skills for an hour or two each day but I don’t do that myself does that make me a hypocrite? Hardly. ... ... Advice does not always apply to ones self, and even when it does there is ... [retrieve this message]

Re Debating?38 by grassman 5 year 3,210

So what are we debating in this thread.Are we debating the health of an anonymous poster?Or are we debating the LEAGAL liability of a poster posting in an anonymous fashion.This poster called zach may be in good health we dont know.One can post one thing and be doing the exact opposite in reality.Taking things seriously in a forum is foolish at best.Didnt zach post something about breathing out the butt.How can one take posts like that seriously. [End]

Re: Re Debating?39 by dsr 5 year 3,180

I can guarentee if Zack is doing the fruitairian thing that the breath coming out his mouth is sweet smelling and doesn’t smell like it should be coming from the butt. ... ... ... oh yeah ... [End]

Re: My 2 cents40 by #94312 5 year 3,191

To first do no harm and never mock or ignore someone I advise is certainly how I try to conduct myself here. Hopefully I do a pretty decent job of that. ... ... I know you don’t Tony ,thats why I’m surprised that you are here defending this behavior.To coach someone for months only to turn your back on them and allow others in your forum to ridicule them is something I know you would not do. We are not talking about someone at the bar preaching to you about alcoholism, but someone who has somehow earned others respect and trust only to desert them is a total lack of character! ... This includes o ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents

/54 41 by dsr 5 year 3,162

Please produce these post where MH ridicules Zack and turning his back on him for doing the fruitairian diet, and where Zack says he is havong any trouble with the diet, Zack only srceemed from the top of his lungs how good he was doing on the diet, show one post please where Zack is havong trouble while on the fruit diet. OK? ... ... Thanks I am waiting [End]

Re: My 2 cents42 by #94312 5 year 3,139

No thanks ! This issue is not worth persuing since it has accomplished its purpose of a very needed caveat! And what is the purpose of arguing with his devoted disciples who we know have only MHs interest at heart and could care less about the repercussions of his careless advice to others and his lack of character. You can deny this incident has taken place but anyone who is interested in the truth can and should read his archives before considering what they are getting themselves into. [End]

Re: My 2 cents43 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,154

But you see, I am not defending anything - just giving my opinion on how I think things should be. Thus my two cents worth, and hopefully it is not overvalued at that price. I merely wanted to state that it was my opinion that we should not abandon anyone who comes to our private forums, or support forums for that matter, seeking help - nor should we hold them up to ridicule, while noting that it is possible to give advice contrary to what one personally does and not be a hypocrite (or at least be a well meaning one). I leave it to others to decide how ... [retrieve this message]

I agree n/m44 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,168

I agree n/m [End]

Re: My 2 cents45 by #94312 5 year 3,129

How is a warning that someone is passing out dangerous advice ridicule? Are members concerns worthless? Should we bite our tongues ignoring the situation like good little children? Is ridicule a good word to cease good honest concerns and shut the concerned up ? Are we now ridiculers ? ... Maybe riding fences is they way to come out looking good ? ... Maybe following your own advice would have let you look like a rose and Charlie would still be here! [End]

Re: My 2 cents46 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,121

What is it that you do not understand about me saying that members should not be held up to ridicule by forum owners? I said nothing about objecting to warnings about bad advice. If you go back and read what I said, I think you will find we are pretty much on the same side here. ... ... When it comes to Charlie the dubious herbalist, I did follow my own advice and convictions in what I posted, but as any moderator who is in the know at CZ can tell you, it was not me who got Charlie his well deserved banishment - it was his own misdeeds and mistreatment of other CZ members ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents47 by #94312 5 year 3,173

Well at least you are learning from your past indiscretions. Should MH be banished for his treatment of Zack and others ? At least Charlie had the guts to defended his actions, although in the land of pc it was his downfall. Kind of ironic that mea outed Charlie without consequences yet Charlie was banned for outing her. ... Is it ethical to be a moderator and defend or admonish other forum owners? Kind of places you in an convenient position of authority, does it not? Does your 2cents have more value then others? [End]

Re: My 2 cents48 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,167

Past indiscretions? If you say so - though I do not consider speaking out against Charlie to be one. I do try to always learn from my experience and improve along the way - to do otherwise is to stop living and merely exist. As far as changing though, mainly it is just my thought that perhaps it would be appropriate for me to exercise a wee bit more restraint now that I am both a private forum owner and a public moderator here. Which is not to say that I will cut one nanometer of slack to formerly banned member with multiple IDs who try to sneak back ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My 2 cents49 by #52183 5 year 3,565

i think u r a gem. ... ... p.s. is it just me, or is that other guy too serious? ;-) [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!50 by dsr 5 year 3,201

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!51 by #52183 5 year 3,284

u’ve been an mh antagonizer since u first started posting there. u must have perceived being slighted by him in another curezone life. me doubts u r being objective with this attack. ... ... lets see: mad at lecithin, bitter at black walnut, aroused at fictitious scenarios of zach’s well-being. pissed about diet mh purportedly gave to someone never having spent any time on his forum of having tooth problems and falsely assuming its becuz of fruit diet. ur pathetic and clueless. ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=626&ob=d&c=0&t=150&m=Quinta%5FEssentia ... [End]

Re: Lennon wrote one for you ! YOUR SONG52 by #68716 5 year 3,061
- and alvin has composed your theme song53 by #52183 5 year 3,125
  
  enjoy. ... ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u7XrtPTMc0&feature=related ... ... [End]

Re: Beware MH's Disastrous Diet Advice!!54 by dsr 5 year 3,256

... believe this - EVERY SINGLE PERSON I PERSONALLY KNOW OF, OR HAVE HEARD OF, OR WHOSE TESTIMONY I READ ONLINE, WHO HAS GONE FRUITARIAN HAS HAD DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT FAIL!SE TESTIMONY I READ ONLINE, WHO HAS GONE FRUITARIAN HAS HAD DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE WITHOUT FAIL! ... ... ... http://www.fruitgod.com/ ... Anne has been fruitairian for 15 yrs, carried and gave birth to her son on fruit only, raised him on breast milk and fruit only, has beutiful healthy teeth and is very healthly and happy today along with many, many, many other people. ... ... You co ... [retrieve this message]

The Decline and Fall of Curezone

/50 1 by recovering 5 year 4,059

The Decline and Fall of Curezone ... by Recovering ... ... My Story ... I’ve been a Curezone reader for about 4 years. I would probably be dead right now if it wasn’t for health information found on the Internet, mainly Curezone. I’ve had ten amalgam fillings since I was very young, plus one of them was replaced with conventional dentistry (no safety equipment to get rid of mercury dust.) Our family doctor literally handed out antibiotics like candy. He had a big plastic dispenser in his office (no need to bother with pharmacy) and handed them out in little paper envelopes. I remember having the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone2 by Zoebess 5 year 3,833

... ... ... You are complaining about my avatar, and ... I am a Reiki Master Practitioner. I do ... not however consider myself an occultist, ... although, if I were, I do not consider that ... it would impede on the rights of others to ... use these forums in the manner in which ... they were meant to be used...to share what ... works for you and to learn from others. ... I do feel I have just as much a right to ... post on these public forums as you do. ... ... I assure you, I mean you no harm...and if ... you look at any of the graphics I have ... posted, you are not being ”initiated” into ... anything. ... ... I wish you well~~ ... ... best ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone3 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,648

Think of CureZone as a microcosm of the world at large. We each have our own concept of what is right and wrong, but if you believe strongly in what is right- don’t walk out and abandon it because you see part of it as wrong! ... ... CureZone has for the most part been a Godsend for me - a forum where I can learn as well as share without fear of being banned for non mainstream ideas and information about healing. Even moreso, a place to help others and genuinely make a difference. And a place to take a stand against the powers that be that would control our liv ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone4 by LuellaMay 5 year 3,647

Hi, ... ... I believe you are mistaken with regard to Zoebess. Those symbols you speak of are not occult. They represent the body chakras, another word for energy. Reiki is energy healing\. Furthermore, science is starting to recognize the importance of these chakras. ... ... I furthermore concur with DQ’s post. Please reconsider before leaving. Like the world, itself, there is good, bad, things that we agree with, and things we don’t. Overall, Curezone is a very valuable community. We would like to see you stay. ... ... Hugs, ... ... Luella ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone5 by Southern Belle 5 year 3,708

The four posts written before me are some of the greatest posts that have ever been written on Curezone. Each one brings great thoughts regarding Curezone and the direction each of you thinks Curezone is headed....whether positive or negative. ... ... I blame myself for all the debate forums because it was I who asked for a ”War Forum” years ago when the US first went to war under the first Bush president. My intent was to hear from people from other countries and get to know them, but what I found out very quickly was... the US is a hated country and some people didn’t want to get to know Am ... [retrieve this message]

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Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone7 by hopinso 5 year 3,789

In all your many incarnations you criticize Curezone and Spirit. Yet you always return to this place you seem to hold in such low regard. Could it be the very things you look down upon is what keeps you coming back? How many website owners would allow someone who has been guilty of so many personal attacks, wild accusations and generally unpleasant troll-like behavior to keep coming back and posting the same old gripes after multiple bannings? Could it be you have no other place to go, no other site that welcomes you? When you are a guest in some one’s home please don’t spit on the floor, ... [retrieve this message]

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Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone9 by Blistering Fate 8 mon 990

The forums I am banned from are always places of tyranny and deceit, with ”hidden” agendas. But yeah I do feel ”that”, on Curezone, it accepts you much better than other boards. ... ... Theres no hidden agenda in Curezone. Curezone ITS New Age and people here simply think sharing their ”occultism” its helpful and sincere. Simple. [End]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone10 by Zoebess 5 year 3,675

... ... ... You seem to personally have cultivated a dislike ... for me, and except for our recent disagreement about ... your feeling healing always needs to feel positive ... and good, and this post, I do not think we have ever ... engaged in a conversation?? ... ... I reiterate from the only other conversation we ... have had, to my knowledge, -- just because you do not ... resonate with a method of healing does not mean it ... does not work. Also blaming others for your discomfort ... does not always mean that it is the truth...that ... others are responsible. Certainly, in my experience, ... I have seen Southern Belle be ve ... [retrieve this message]

Re: It's very simple you do not have the information11 by #93825 5 year 3,591

needed to figure out the problem ... ... Many had pieces and some knew it all and proceeded as they did ... ... Haven’t you ever wondered [End]

Re: It's very simple you do not have the information12 by Zoebess 5 year 3,690

... ... ... My interest in Curezone may well be different from ... yours. I came and buried my head in the MC forum for ... the most part, for three years, until I grew weary ... of answering the same questions. When I came, there ... seemed to be a rumble of dissatisfaction in the back ... ground and subsequent exodus of people whose posting ... I learned from and so this made me feel a loss, but ... no, I do not wonder. Why should I if I am not involved. ... ... Now, however, you speak to me in innuendo and riddles ... and seem to infer that I am involved in issues which ... I have chosen not to involve myself in. To sugges ... [retrieve this message]

Re: It's very simple you do not have the information13 by #93825 5 year 3,633

You are extrapolating much more than I inferred ... ... If your belief system and talents lie in Reiki, as a master, than you know better than me about some of your posts when you have agreed with the utmost non Reiki based ”therapy” ... ... and is in no way therapeutic. It’s only aguess but I’d guess that you take positions that enhance your position with those at power at CZ rather than those of your true belief system (if Reiki is your belief system) But one or the other his off with you. ... ... I’d say you may have much to protect, to side with such meanness. Whenever I see such meanness, having ... [retrieve this message]

Re: It's very simple you do not have the information14 by Zoebess 5 year 3,586

Ah, you are referring to treatment I have seen ... here at this healing center. Well, sorry, I ... cannot argue with success and people have come ... from all over the world to be treated this way. ... ... In fact, years ago the first time I was here, ... this was a ”lesson” I had to learn which did ... serve me very well when I was a nanny. Some people ... are very structured and others are not. I realized ... quickly that one of my teenage charges would do ... anything if you asked gently. The other you had ... to be much firmer and that was what he respected. ... Did I dish up both methods with love, you bet. I ... was resp ... [retrieve this message]

Re: You remind me of another poster from a few years back15 by #93825 5 year 3,649

She was the mod and not owner but the ”resident expert”, since it was not a named forum, of the pregancy, childbirth, nursing, and abortion recovery subject matter. ... ... I ”saw” clearly based on her expert responses to posters that she had not most likely: ... ... ever nursed a baby ... ever had a toddler ... and probably never given birth ... but if she had may have given the child up for adoption ... and may have decided on the live birth vs abortion ... (which I believe to be a noble act, if this was such) ... ... Her advice had nothing to do with true experience...its an odd way to put it, and there is probably ... [retrieve this message]

As a master, perhaps you could enlighten us16 by dquixote1217 5 year 3,565

I admit straight up that I am no Reiki master, but am always ready to learn more. Could you enlighten us as to how what you have said to Paulette and Zoebess conforms to the five major stated principles, or precepts, of Reiki: ... ... Principle 1 has been variously stated as: ... ... Do not anger ... ... Don’t get angry ... ... Thou shall not anger ... ... I will not be angry ... ... I will let go of anger ... ... Principle 2 has been variously stated as: ... ... Do not worry ... ... Don’t be anxious ... ... Thou shall not worry ... ... I will not worry ... ... I will let go of worry ... ... Principle 3 has been variously stated as: ... ... B ... [retrieve this message]

Re: As a master, perhaps you could enlighten us17 by #93825 5 year 3,548

No ... ... ... ... Enlightenment is only unto thyself, so no I can not enlighten you. ... ... ... ... Nor can I enlighten us [End]
- Re: As a master, perhaps you could enlighten us18 by thewhiz 5 year 4,097
  
  You are so full of it. [End]

Re: It's very simple you do not have the information19 by LuellaMay 5 year 3,499

And now I must interject my two cents. What are you talking about? Surely you have Zoe mixed up with someone else. Zoe is one of the most honest and fair people that I have come across. Maybe your complaint comes from the fact that she speaks the "truth" an the "truth" is sometimes hard to take. ... ... She in no way deserves your last post to her. ... ... Regards, ... ... Luella ... [End]

Re: Zoe can be that20 by #93825 5 year 3,473

but there have been other times that perhaps not ... ... Luella, how long have you been posting on CureZone? ... ... I mean did you have a number or other rID before you became yourself? ... ... I do not ask this as a criticism or condemnation, I ask only to give you a frame of reference to some of the really abusive incidents that I speak of. ... ... If you have only been Luella, which I do believe likely, this was wayyy before your posting time on this site, and has continued to a lesser and lesser degree ... ... And some upstanding CZ citizens and nice people were really abusive based on their information at th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Zoe can be that

/50 21 by LuellaMay 5 year 3,453

No, this has been my only ID ever, I am what I am. Tony brought me into CZ I believe around a year ago. ... ... Before I go on, no I will not share anything with anyone offline. It’s not just you, I won’t do that with anybody. That is almost like bringing my work home? And I don’t dredge in mud, whether false, perceived truth, or even truth. ... ... I have known Zoe for a year, I believe she was one of the first people I met at CureZone. Yet, I find it hard to believe that a person could change like that. Someone’s true personality does eventually com ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Thank you Luella22 by Zoebess 5 year 3,450

... ... Thank you Luella for your support and vote of ... confidence. I am a truthful person. I have had ... the same ID and have only used one account the ... entire time I have posted on Curezone. Nor have ... I ever been banned, or received a warning about ... inappropriate posting. ... ... I do not know why this person has focused on me ... and Southern Belle to blame for issues which have ... their origins from before I ever began lurking and ... posting on Curezone. Most likely this person feels ... I am someone who I am not. I do not know and of course, ... their opinion of me does not define me. ... ... Blessings, ... Zoe ... ... -_ ... [retrieve this message]

Zoebess, you are among the best!!!!!!!!!!!!23 by Corey 5 year 3,262

... Zoe, you and Southern Belle both have given me mounds of good information, and at times, just plain fun reading. I would not worry too much about Mr. #. Hasn’t even the nerve to identify himself/herself. I remember the only time I ever tried the chat room. An individual was on there doing everything possible to keep any of us from having a good time. I wonder if this is the same individual. I truly feel sorry for anyone that cannot enjoy life and seemly cannot stand to see someone else try. ... ... Zoebess, you are truly needed here and I do look forward to many years of reading your posts. ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Zoebess, you provide a great conduit24 by bayliss 5 year 3,224

for information that will support a certain therapy and their ability to operate as once removed from the business end of the machine ... ... And what a business it has been [End]

Re: Zoebess, you provide a great conduit25 by Zoebess 5 year 3,333

... ... ... I hope you find the healing you seek. ... ... I cannot help you and I hope you realize ... that. Your time is wasted chasing me down ... as I am not who you are looking for. ... ... best wishes, ... Zoe ... ... -_- ... ... [End]

Re: thank you26 by Zoebess 5 year 3,108

... ... ... Thank you, Corey~~ (big smile) ... ... You are one of my favorite posters. I enjoy ... all that you bring to the forums and have ... passed on ~ the countless tidbits of info and ... smiles you have provided. I am always passing ... on posts of yours to family and friends~! ... ... Hopefully in between the posts which do not ... seem to have a place here at Curezone, people ... will discern those which can help them and ... contribute to their healing. There are more ... of those than the others...ggg. ... ... Blessings, ... Zoe ... ... -_- ... ... ... ... ”laughter is the best medicine” ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

[Message Subject Hidden by a Forum Moderator] 27 by #93825 5 year 3,415

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message retracted28 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,436

i erased the message that was in here. i seem to regret the posts i make in the debate forum. have a nice day. [End]

Re: If you are who I think you are you have done way29 by nono 5 year 3,365

enough already to makes matters sticky [End]

Re: If you are who I think you are you have done way30 by Quinta_Essentia 5 year 3,498

oh geez, as usual i regret ever chiming in on these things. i doubt very much i am who you think i am. ... ... i am sorry if anyone associated with curezone has caused you pain or just been an a$$hole, wish that hadn’t happened to you. trust me when i tell you i have had my fair share of grief here too. but i just choose to let it go as best i can. [End]

Re: If you are who I think you are you have done way31 by nono 5 year 3,489

As soon as the monetary damages are taken care of, I’ll be fine with the solution to the problem ... ... Of course there will still remain the incongruity of a health site driven by an controlling ego maniac- can you imagine the mind set of health that drives these behaviors? [End]

Re: There was nothing revolutionary in this post32 by #93825 5 year 3,387

It was the facts and all usernames were used on the site. ... Yet I tell you this site will do anything to mask their own wrongdoing and now I will move forward ... ... Thank you for releasing me from giving any of you any more ”fair” chances to correct the damages and the wrongs that have been done ... ... If you cannot face your mistakes and wrong doing with integrity ... ... Then I will I think it is time to talk turkey ... ... In fact it is way over due [End]

Re: Here is the real question underlying every33 by bayliss 5 year 3,267

posting problem at CZ, why is an honest statement, or question hidden? ... ... ... Why are posters punished for expressing an unpopular opinion, why are posters allowed to play the antagonist and the support under different names and numbers in one thread to make a certain poster seem inept or silly ... ... Here is a hidden messagae - it was true no matter how unpopular, it was an experience that happened here on this board ... ... It doesn’t make you look very good nor honest nor healers ... ... It makes you look as you are ... Much as Dusan say” I might not like what I see, but it is me” ... ... Why isn’t that kind o ... [retrieve this message]

Re: P, why doesn't Dusan ever voice these opinions of peace?34 by nono 5 year 3,502

And his distress at this upset, why do you bear the word? ... ... It would mean much to us all to hear it from his own mouth. [End]

Nono...35 by Southern Belle 5 year 3,484

I have no idea why D. is not speaking up. There have been posts written by him in the past where he has expressed his views. There’s just so many times you can answer the same questions over and over again. ... ... Thinking back over the years, D. gets blasted if he doesn’t spell a word correctly on his website. He tries so hard to write in the American language and he does a great job. But there’s always a ”perfect” person to point out the word he did not spell right. In the past, when he has made a decision, he is blasted by the ones who disagree with him. ... ... When he answers one question, ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Nono...Yes, this has been my experience36 by nono 5 year 3,468

Do you think the actual root of the jealousy is, as you pointed out, money? ... Or simply power? ... Or BOTH? ... ... Yes BOB still posts [End]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone37 by LuellaMay 5 year 3,398

Paulette, you’re from Mississippi? Where? Email me! We could be neighbors! ... ... Hugs, ... ... Luella ... [End]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone38 by #38976 5 year 3,466

After clearly benefiting from all that CureZone has to offer, to take the time to write a book-lenght message about negative thoughts and misconceptions presented as facts is at the very least a most sad comentary on the original ’recovering’ poster. ... ... To imply that some posts and forums are based on the ”OCCULT” simply because they do not understand the basis for them simply shows ignorance. ... ... For anyone to suggest that Zoebess is anything but a pure heart, without reading her many beautifully written and well informed posts is true heresy. ... ... I agree with Southern Belle about the Debat ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone39 by blackngold 5 year 3,609

Since when is gay/lesbian support or homeopathy part of any type of occult agenda? There are 20 really popular forums here on curezone and the rest see token particapation. Most of the ones you mention I have either never heard of or only see come up in the mosaic very sporadically. In my mind homeopathy is probably the single most important protocol in all of medicine. If I could only do one thing to reverse my problems it would be that. I wouldn’t dwell on all of this occult stuff. I think you are one of the only ones seeing it. And Zoebess no more has an occult agenda then I am Colonel ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone40 by recovering 5 year 3,530

Blackandgold, you seem to be a guy who ”gets it”. Are the gay and lesbian trends in society both occult and intentional? Yes, definitely. Even if you don’t believe that from a Biblical\Christan world view, check up on what the New World Order folks have been writing about for years. It’s not a secret anymore. ... ... Is Homeopathy occult? Yes, I believe that it is. How do you take something that is poison, dilute it to a point that that it does not affect you anymore, then dilute it by several millionths more and expect it to cure anything? As I understand it, Homeopathy is supposed to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone41 by blackngold 5 year 3,497

Why do you say that homeopathy is made from poison? My kinesiologist makes his own homeopathics that are in turn sold worldwide and they are made from seeds for the most part. No one needs to sway me regarding homeopathy. I have had major health problems reversed using them. My testosterone production increased over fourfold and my testicles probably doubled/tripled in size because they started functioning normally. I know the concept of using very dilute amounts seems contrary to logic but it works. It is shame that most people aren’t willing to try it. Homeopathy is top dog in my humble ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone42 by msteve666 5 year 3,488

Curezone is about alternatives. Alternatives that apply not just to the body, but to the spirit as well. Do I accept everything that I read, here? Of course not. But it does expand my thinking to go down other paths to see how ideas might connect to each other. Curezone is about self empowerment. If you come in here and blindly accept the ”alternative” cures or points of view, then you are no more empowered then blindly accepting your doctors toxic prescriptions. The forums are defined for what they are. If that includes personal agendas, then so be it, as long as though dn’t spill over in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: CZ43 by civen 5 year 3,459

I see no point in this discussion. ... ... Those who come to curezone to learn about health topics will do their best to do so. ... ... Those who come for reasons not related to improving their own health or helping others, may attempt their best at pursuiing whatever their warped goal might be. ... ... It is each person’s choice. ... ... If one perceives something as ”occult” or whatever they perceive, and it is undesirable to them, they have the power to ignore it and only pursue learning about health topics or sharing information relating to same with others. ... ... So for those who come to learn, there really ... [retrieve this message]

Re: CZ44 by 2Sirius 5 year 3,480

Wow all the negative votes in this thread, its like voodoo! Oops I said a noonoo! ... Hope I did’nt frighten anyone! [End]

Re: The Decline and Fall of Curezone45 by thewhiz 5 year 3,449

Why did you bother to get well? This is your purpose? To oppose others due to your own superstitions? To slander others who you dont know? To perpetuate your own ignorance for a personal agenda only? If so, what a waste. ... ... Your post makes no sense to me. You say you like the bible. Try using it to guide YOUrself, not to bash others with. ... ... Matthew 7:3-5 ... New International Version (NIV) ... ... 3”Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ’Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when ... [retrieve this message]

Do not go see the movie CLOVERFIELD if you have epilepsy or are prone to... by been there done that 5 year 2,278

The movie uses hand held cameras and the cinemaphotagraphy has made alot of people sick. Some people say that they have gotten their epileptic seizures under control, but once they saw the movie, their seizures are back (maybe temporarily). ... ... ... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/01/24/movie.sickness/index.html ... ... [End]

Bogus Poster is Back...#90858

by sandover 5 year 2,087

Folks, ... ... There was a poster on Oil Pulling several weeks ago who was someone with a desire to cause trouble and be ugly to people rather than a ”real” poster with questions or a desire to be helpful to others at the forum. ... ... He/she has re-registered and is now ”back” with a new username: ... ... #90858 ... ... While responding to this person’s post can be fun and interesting, I have also seen him/her post really ugly things about others, and to generally try to divert forum members from their primary mission. I don’t think this one wants to learn or help educate or help others or anything like tha ... [retrieve this message]

sandover is incorrect by #90858 5 year 2,057

I have never posted under oil pulling, nor am I a ”bogus poster.” I have not posted under a bunch of different names, as you accuse me in another post - the only number I have posted under is 90858. ... ... My response to you seems to have hit a nerve. Look within, instead of attacking those outside, sandover. ... ... Your ideas are ridiculous to me too, but it’s not like I’m going to make a brand new topic about you and try to get you banished or anything. Geez! It’s the internet - grow a thicker skin, or develop some ideas that are not so vulnerable to logic. ... ... (And if it’s the case that a bu ... [retrieve this message]

Bingo! by sandover 5 year 1,996

Your response *did* hit a nerve -- the one that was already raw from the way you behaved toward some of my friends several weeks ago, under a different username. (And the one that was creeped out in general after reading your old posts and seeing a history of weird behaviour on the site.) ... ... Post wherever you like -- I have not requested that you be banned from any forum or the site itself. However, you have abused and are abusing the anonymity offered at the CZ community, in a strange and sometimes hurtful way, and it’s that deceptiveness to which I object. ... ... When you use an anonymous nu ... [retrieve this message]

What the frick?! by #90858 5 year 2,030

Hey, bizarro (who ironically accuses others of being creepy and bizarre) - like I said, I wasn’t here several weeks ago. Nor did I have other user numbers. Nor have I been deceptive. ... ... Contact a moderator and they can check ISP numbers or something and maybe help you get it through your addled brain that I have not re-registered and posted under different numbers. Do you have a mental illness? Are you frequently paranoid? Do you accuse random people of things going on in your own mind? ... ... Is it that a number of people disagree with you, and you can’t possibly believe it, and so you a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What the frick?! by sandover 5 year 1,991

Anyone here can look through your history/ies and make the same conclusion I have. I think you’re just sputtering mad because I took the time to do it. My gut tells me that you stayed away for awhile, missed being able to be anonymously rude, offensive, and dishonest here, and signed up again. And voila! here you are, different number, same game. ... ... As they say, my friend, ”You spot it, you got it.” Right? (Now, THAT’S a little creepy to think about, isn’t it? ;) ... ... [End]

Re: What the frick?! by #90858 5 year 1,989

Seriously, you need a mental health exam. ... ... It sounds like people have disagreed with you, and you can’t possibly imagine that it could be more than one person on the planet. Your home must be fun, with your paranoic behavior and accusations. I worry for your poor kids. ... ... I’m not ”mad” at your behavior, I’m befuddled. ... ... At least the moderators moved your postings so you can’t junk up the support forums :) ... [End]

Take it to the debate forum!! by #87794 5 year 1,933

no one wants the support forums cluttered up with this stupid nonsensical accusatory bulls**t. ... ... according the the curezone TOS you cant post this kind of stuff in a support forum. ... ... Geeeeeeeez! This site has a lot of freaky sh** going on, let me tell you! [End]

I alerted a moderator about your message by #87794 5 year 2,066

hopefully it gets removed and you learn how to play according to the rules. [End]

Curezone has turned into a very hostile environment by alexandria 6 year 1,012

I don’t really know why I come back it’s like DAYS of our lives, it sad and pathetic really. You have people running bizerk in their own private forums without restriction and the negative vibe certainly carries over to other forums. This is hipocrisy and it makes people hostile don’t you know even in family’s if you treat one sibling better than another or give more privledges to one then resentment festers like cancer. I suggest Curezone Cure it self lest it get cancer and die the death of what it was originally intended to be. However, if it continues It will probably live on as a disea ... [retrieve this message]

Laws made by humans don't bring happiness, joy etc by Ynaig 6 year 1,336

My observation: ... ... The problem with the laws is that the present laws _made_ by humans don’t bring happiness, joy or any positive feelings to humans. ... ... The solution to this problem is to break the laws made by humans and create new laws that are parallel to the nature. ... ... Almost all the laws made by humans are borne out of the mutterings of egos. ... ... The nature is born out of God’s heart. If we make the laws that come from the heart, then those laws are closer to the nature thus also closer to God. ... ... Ynaig [End]

Sustainable economy? by Ynaig 6 year 929

I have a question to you: ... Which model of economy is more sustainable and what kind of company/corporate model is sustainable and fair to the workers? ... ... Just trying to know what else might be involved in determining the sustainability of an economic system in regard to the whole environment. ... ... Ynaig [End]

Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.

/35 1 by #79767 6 year 3,162 CureZone Debate / Christiani

I have always wondered what others opinion was on this. Obviously, we have never died and don’t know for sure. But any opinions of what happens to a person who commits suicide. Do you think they go to hell fire and brimstone like the Bible says? [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.2 R by boldyloxx 6 year 3,431

Hi! ... ... though I do believe that killing oneself is one way of disobeying God’s will in our life, I believe God knows each person’s individual situation, and WHY they are driven to suicide. God’s judgements are not like human judgement-- and His judgements are certainly NOT like Religious man’s Judgments ! I do certainly believe there is a Hell, and that there are various levels that lead down to that level-- just as I believe there is Heaven, and various levels that lead up to the Highest Level of the Kingdom of God. ... ... If the suicide victim chooses to go to the Light after they die ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.3 by boundforheaven 6 year 2,743

well ... ... i was looking for some answers to this life changing choice that lays before me. soo many things have driven me to this decision. for one thing i do not believe i am mentally ill well anymore than anyone else is. i do suffer from persistant depression as diagnosed by the military after my tour of duty with the navy. ... events leading me to this decision include well i wont go too deep into them. my wife who is a very big meth addict (i am not into meth just to let you know so your mind doesnt wander) well my wife before i could divorce her had a daughter with a man who is black and a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.4 by traderdrew 6 year 2,609

You need to speak with the right people sir. ... ... Have you researched and tried the alternative methods that can help you out of being chronically depressed? Have you tried certain energy techniques? ... ... How do you know you will be reincarnated? Don’t do it. [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.5 by boundforheaven 6 year 2,597

i am a master bodyworker, i know all about energy. not saying im a know it all or anything by far. im just at a crossroad in my life and can not continue on living with this pain and feeling that ive accomplished what ive been sent here to do. im in the deepest hole of depression and no one cares to help me out of it. hopefully the potassium cyanide will arrive on monday and ill be out of here on a full moon. i didnt put this on here to get sympathy just to say what has happened and to add to this post of indecision. i appreciate you caring enough to write but unless youre megan marie smit ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Life is what you make it!6 by GRASSMAN 6 year 2,685

You say you have choosen to run away from life because of how things may turn out.You should channel your energies into living instead of dwelling on the negativities of life.I hope you change your mind and that you are blessed with the true desires of your heart.Peace be with you. [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.7 by traderdrew 6 year 2,684

You’re a master body worker. I don’t know anything about massage therapy. I know something about energy tapping techniques. ... ... ... http://www.quantumtechniques.com ... ... ... One of the interesting things Quantum Techniques has in the manuals is that we all have parts within us that do their own thing. They literally live in a time warp. It seems to explain why people feel the way they do or do the things they do. These parts might believe the person needs to be punished or killed. These parts may not even realize by killing the conscious person they would also die! One of the healing aspe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.8 by Naturalist 6 year 2,732

There is only one sin that God will not forgive and that is refusing to except Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. While suicide is considered a sinful act, if your friend excepted Jesus ”before” he died he will be in heaven with Him. This is the ONLY way to heaven. ... ... And to your statement ”we have never died and don’t know for sure.” Yes, we do know. The Bible tells us in John 3:16 ”For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” ... [End]

"like the bible says"?????9 by been there done that 6 year 2,839

If you did find something in the bible that addresses suicide, then our OPINIONS shouldn’t matter. The fact is, we don’t know what happens to someone who commits suicide. ... ... Ecclesiastes 2:17 ”So, I hated life...” this coming from the wisest person in the world. ... ... Luke 14:26 ... John 12:25 ... ... In no way should it be considered that destroying what The Lord created is okay, and the only person who would actually willfully commit suicide is a murderer. ... ... ... I was suicidally depressed for 51 years and I never committed it because I’m not a murderer, that doesn’t stop some people, but God looks a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: "like the bible says"?????10 by amberlynn72 6 year 2,774

I have to laugh about suicide and how ”WRONG” everyone thinks it is. Interestingly enough everyone who is on this planet is committing suicide. Albeit, a slow death. But, DEATH nonetheless. Now why am I saying that?? Have you ever ate at Mcdonald’s? Smoked a cigarette? Drank alcohol? Took prescription drugs? Ate processed foods? You know that these things leads to death so why did you do them?? Do you want to kill yourself? I read these books last year called Conversations with God ..and the author posed the question..is it wrong to commit suicide.. as it was a conversation with god ..God ... [retrieve this message]

Re: "like the bible says"?????11 by boldyloxx 6 year 2,746

I know what you mean- and you’re right-- basically , by intentionally disregarding our health and eating things we know we shouldn’t, we are actually causing an extended suicide. I think there are many forms of suicide. ... ... ... I think , as you said, there is a suicide based on ignorance, and ”ostrich in sand” self-blindness. Like pretending our health will be okay whatever lifestyle we choose to follow., Or the motive could be ”you only live once, so do whatsoever your body wants”, only to find out that there is a price to be paid eventually. Like a diabetic who ignores wisdom and eats all ... [retrieve this message]

ot12 by sans sucre 6 year 2,749

Just wanted to point out one little thing. Many diabetics can be ”perfect” their whole lives follwong every rule, and still wind up with an amputation (or worse). It is not always simple cause and effect. Just standing up for myself and other diabetics. The point of what you are saying, though, is well taken - that we need to do the best we can to stay healthy, and much of it is within our own power. [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.13 R by knows 6 year 3,202

Where can we go to find some answers about this? How about those people that have actually died and came back to tell us what it was like. You know, people that were clinically dead, no heartbeat, no respiration and no brainwaves. Lets ask them and see what they say. ... ... Read, ”Life after Life” by Dr. Moody I think it is. Seems all these people have very similar experiences. ... ... They die, are floating around the room watching the doctors work on them or the accident they were just in or whatever it was that caused their death, then they sense others around them. Then, of course the tunnel go ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.14 by Naturalist 6 year 2,783

I agree; we are all eternal beings. The question is where are we going to spend eternity... [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.15 by boldyloxx 6 year 2,688

Doc Sutter, you’d love to read Howard Storm’s testimony from his book, ’My Descent into Death: A second Chance, by Howard Storm. (The hardcover only cost $10.00 by the way) ... ... Wow, was that book beautiful- and I feel an honest testimony. Another one is ”Return from Tomorrow” by Dr. Ritchie, Md. ... ... ... Years ago at my church’s spiritual retreat, there was a guest who had a back to life experience at Vietnam. He was an agnostic whose experienced drastically changed his entire life. I remember as a teenager being in awe of him, because I sensed Peace around him. I wanted to sit ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.16 by misskitty 6 year 2,715

Doc, ... I loved your message. I do believe there is something out there and in here. It is pure love and I hope I can find it and become it in this lifetime. I get closer every day. ... ... Kitty ... [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.17 by #68594 6 year 2,981

... Hm, this is curious.. I too know one man whom I trust completely and he has a story of being outside of his body looking on after being hit but a bus. I don’t doubt him. What is then the resurrection that the Bible talks about? Are we misperceiving the whole idea of it? Because I don’t see the point of resurrecting someone who’s just passing from one form of existence into the next. Also that leaves the question open as to why we were given bodies at all.. [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.18 by GodSpeak 6 year 2,763

I just wanted to say there were some good points made in here on this subjest. Anything that happens to us is our making. I had a experience one time that I’m not going to get into because of the condemnation in here, but the experience was one more thing that lead me to God. ... ... I will say from that experience I believe God is ALL loving, and everything has a purpose, and is part of God’s plan that will prevail & is good. God has all the time in the world for his plan to happen because he created time, and is beyond time. There is no past, present or future with God, they all exist at the ... [retrieve this message]

Godspeak19 by #79767 6 year 2,674

Tell me of the experience. It’s not good to go into something and not reiterate what you’re speaking of or leave someone hanging. Don’t worry about the condemnation on here. It’s not like you have to see these people everyday. If they condemn you, then you know they are not of Christ. Your experiences can help others who may need it. [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.20 by trapper/kcmo 6 year 2,776

if you commit suicide, your dead. you cease to exist. eternal life is given to those who endure to the end, among other things. ... ... there is no eternal torture. what kind of monster would devise such a thing? besides man, of course. [End]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.

/35 21 by #37912 6 year 2,748

Every human being, irrespective of their beliefs according to the God of the bible, has been created with an eternal soul. Anybody who believes in Christ knows that one does not simply cease to exist after they die, whether or not they reject Him. Creating us with an immortal soul means the soul does not come to an end. Though one can certainly be dead to grace if they insist in rejecting God and persist in sin, they do not cease to exist. This would be preferable to our ears of course rather than the alternative, but believing this simply because it’s more comfortable does not make it ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide. Trapper does not conform to christianity.22 by Naturalist 6 year 2,792

Great post! Yes, God is sovereign. ... ... Trapper has told me that he ”does not conform to the world, not even the world of christianity and that he knows all the sciptures, not just parts, so don’t even try.” And, he has quoted many scriptures on many different forums. I have come to believe he uses the Bible as a reference book. He takes from it as it suits him. For anyone who has read it from front to back, and believes in the God of the Bible, knows there is a Hell and who is going there. It appears he has his own religion. ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=790166#i ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide. Trapper does not conform to christianity.23 by yelrah 6 year 2,723

beware of the jimmy swagert of curezone!!!!!!!!!! [End]

YELRAH...Do You Mean Trapper! Surely you don't mean me!24 by Naturalist 6 year 2,747

I am not sure who Jimmy Swagert is. Oh yeah, isn’t he Jerry Lee Lewis’ cousin. If you mean me, I really think I have more in common with Jerry Lee. I can really play a mean piano. ... ... [End]

Re: YELRAH...Do You Mean Trapper! Surely you don't mean me.25 by yelrah 6 year 2,743

Yes Trapper, SORRY!!!!!! [End]

Re: Suicide. Trapper does not conform to christianity.26 by #37912 6 year 2,785

Hi, thanks for your post. Well, for me it’s not ”The Gospel according to Trapper” ;-) ... ... As a believer in Christ, one can see He made it very clear ”Either you are for Me or you are against Me”. So the bible is not a smorgus board, it’s a package deal. ... The bible is clear so that even a child can understand it and that is how it is meant to be for the most part. That way the path to eternal life is open to all and basically understood by all. ”Unless you become as little children, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven”. So we either take it or leave it. ... ... The intellectuals with l ... [retrieve this message]

#3791227 by Corinthian 6 year 2,692

Utter anti-intellectual claptrap. Why is is that the ignorant always rail against their intellectual superiors. Is it because you are incapable of such deep thought? Because you are unable to reconcile seemingly conflicting ideas? Or is it just a general distrust of things you don’t understand? ... ... ... ... Christianity has a long an rich history of deep scholarship, not necessarily as an institution . It was the monks who, by faithfully copying ancient manuscripts kept knowledge from disappearing for all time. Through out history monks, clergy, deacons have made importan ... [retrieve this message]

trapper28 by #79767 6 year 2,721

That sounds very plausible. So you’re saying that the person’s soul is annihilated? Is there any redemption? After all the person did not ask to come into this world, the parents brought them. If a person is brought somewhere and decides they are not happy, then they shouldn’t be forced to stay. [End]

Re: trapper29 by Infinitelove 6 year 2,699

Wow...the CCJ (criticism, condemnation & judgement) is THICK on this thread. ... ... With all due respect, you call yourselves ’christians’ yet have the intolerance of antagonists who condemn others for dissimilar beliefs. If this is christianity, you can have it. ... ... Peace Out [End]

Exactly! n/m30 by GodSpeak 6 year 2,591

Exactly! n/m [End]

Re: trapper31 by GodSpeak 6 year 2,642

A person’s soul can possibly be annihilated, like it never even existed. The Bible even says that. It’s not God’s doing though, it’s that person who does it to theirself. A person who consistently & repeatedly goes against ”the will of God” winds up this way. And no, after this point there is no redemption. There’s nothing to receive redemption. ... ... Also parents do not bring children into this world. God’s tapistry is so complex no one could possibly understand it all, but there are other reasons. There are good reasons for everything though. Even abortions, birth defects, the drunk in the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.32 by SF1933 6 year 2,821

Suicide is a sin because the bible says God made man in His image and God wants to take us in His timing, not ours. Taking our own life means we have lost all hope because we have our eyes on our circumstances and not on God. God wants us to bear our burdens so He can work thru us and be witnesses for Him for others to see His goodness and mercy. I have been on several death beds, hospitals, jails, and believe me if God had never heard and answered my prayer for mercy, I would not be writing this today. Some of those experiences did make me even consider suicide they wee so bad, but I am t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess. After Death33 by #82819 6 year 3,192

GREAT article on death Answers many questions [End]
Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.34 by #27054 6 year 2,596

Re: Suicide, what happens after death anyone guess.35 by rudenski 5 year 2,954

I think somehow that most of what believers believe about suicide is in error when it comes to what they believe about a soul’s entry into heaven or hell. From a NDE perspective I have come to the conclusion that God does not throw away love. When we die...all that is not love is cast as far as the east is from the west and forgotten... The suicide a person commits is just one soul expression in a pool of other expressions. Hell is the filter that cleanses the soul. When we go to the light, every et...all thoughts will be untwisted and all the motivations for every action will be filtered ... [retrieve this message]

Ain't no talkin' to this man...

by wombat 6 year 3,270 CureZone Debate / Video / Poetry

... ... ... ... Ain’t no talkin to this man ... Ain’t no pretty other side ... Ain’t no way to understand the stupid words of pride ... It would take an acrobat, and I already tried all that so ... I’m gonna let him fly ... Things can move at such a pace ... The second hand just waved goodbye ... You know the light has left his face ... But you can’t recall just where or why ... So there was really nothing to it ... I just went and cut right through it ... I said I’m gonna let him fly ... ... There’s no mercy in a live wire ... No rest at all in freedom ... Of the choices we are given it’s no choice at all ... The proof is in the fire ... You to ... [retrieve this message]

Pretty cool song, Wombat! (np) by southern belle 6 year 1,976

Pretty cool song, Wombat! (np) [End]
Re: Ain't no talkin' to this man... by trapper/kcmo 6 year 2,120

that man is an idiot. [End]

YouTube?...how do you get the audio/video box to show up?... IRe: Ain't... by unyquity 6 year 2,160

...whenever I put a link/URL to the iodine audios I’ve uploaded (or ANY other video/audio URL) - when I click on my posts all I see is the link/URL. ... ... But when I click on everybody elses, the audio/video starts to play. ... ... What am I missing? grrrr ... ... Uny [End]

Re: YouTube?...how do you get the audio/video box to show up?... IRe: A... by cora 6 year 2,078

... Yes, it’s weird. I’ve once noticed that webmaster was able to generate the ”actual” and replace the URL from posted video, etc. ... ... Scale of 1-10, Uny: How are you ”outside” the forum? Keeping up w the biz? Need to get my rocks research in, now that you’ve provided some leads. ... ... Been thinking about you quite a bit lately. ... ... I know this bothers you, and others, but I do wish we could take a different perspective when reviewing some of these posts. Not the one from the anon, which you amply responded to/rebutted. Just seems like there’s more to (P.#’s) posts and suggestions than mee ... [retrieve this message]

Re: YouTube?...how do you get the audio/video box to show up?... IRe: A... by unyquity 6 year 2,025

Howdy Lady Cora :) ... ... ’Just a ”quickie” here...time is short (as always) I’ve spent more of my ”CZ allotment” than I had planned :) ... ... Scale of 1-10, Uny: How are you ”outside” the forum? Keeping up w the biz? Need to get my rocks research in, now that you’ve provided some leads. http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/mcdaniel.htm ... ... ... http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lzetapotential.htm ... ... ... http://biomedx.com/zeta/index.html ... ... ... (Basically -it seems to/for me- that by raising my ZP, hence changing my blood from thick sludge to thinner/cleaner blood, that the ability of my kidneys to functio ... [retrieve this message]

Re: YouTube?...how do you get the audio/video box to show up?... IRe: A... by cora 6 year 2,120

The zeta potential links are grrrreat!! I’m printing all three for full out readathon. Keeper material. (How has this evaded me for so long - Shameful!!) ... ... Do you use any Beck’s products/prot’s at all? ... ... How are you ”testing”? Sorry if that’s a lamebrain Q. ... ... I didn’t realize you experienced so much herx. I think I must have been/must be so sick that I rarely to never think of anything as die-off from the iodine. It feels more like a ”tightener/refiner” sometimes to an extreme but an enabler toward all else I do which creates die off. As a whole I am more amazed by the unmistakab ... [retrieve this message]

Re: YouTube?...how do you get the audio/video box to show up?... IRe: A... by wombat 6 year 2,007

Hey Uny, on Youtube, to the right of the player there are two selections, ”URL” and ”embed” copy ”embed” & that’ll get you the player:) I had to ask, too, mi Trappetino turned me on to it:) Bring us music, girlie! [End]

Thank you OH-so much! :)Re: YouTube?...how do you get the audio/video bo... by unyquity 6 year 2,146

...and I’ll be bringing music (now) as soon as I find the perfect spot and the video that I want. ... ... (me is you-tube ”challenged” at the moment :) ... ... Uny [End]
Just testing.............. by Corey 6 year 2,133

Am I such a threat??

by 23rd Psalm 6 year 2,606

Am I such a threat that U. has to post a list of my posts to follow me around? ... ... Has Moreless incurred wrath just because I’ve visited his forum and asked a few questions? If he’s been treated as I’ve been, I would wonder why some of you are still allowed on Curezone. ... ... I thought it was ”Ask Moreless” and not ”Debate Moreless.” ... ... I have my own protocols, which aren’t ”just” from Moreless or ”just” from Iodine Support. ... ... I learn from many sources. ... ... The harassment has never stopped. And I continue to be labeled as a ”plant.” ... ... I imagine Moreless reacted to the same kind of bullying. [retrieve this message]

Re: Am I such a threat?? by UserX 6 year 2,167

You’re in a freedom-loving public forum, and it appears that you’ve been welcomed by some very nice peope to join in contributing. Go for it !!! Be Positive for the future and put the past behind. ... ... [End]

Re: Am I such a threat?? by Just_D 6 year 2,185

From the outside looking in: ... ... I was under the impression that the guns were laid down and everyone had decided to let bygones be bygones, and agree to disagree. I saw you posting in the iodine forum so assumed people had put their differences aside and were going to move past any sort of antagonisms. Then Moreless starts posting some truly evil stuff and lo and behold suddenly you are in there lapping it up and throwing in a few insults as well. So if you are wondering why anyone would comment on it, well, maybe they felt as if there was some type of justification in th ... [retrieve this message]

n/m by changeisgood 6 year 1,982

n/m [End]
Re: Am I such a threat?? by Mistral 6 year 2,051

I will defend your right to post, but you clearly enjoy the role of provocateur. ... ... We reap what we sow. [End]

I have no idea how to title this post.

by unyquity 6 year 2,005

... http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=762&ob=d&c=0&t=150&m=23rd+Psalm ... ... ... Check out the most recent posts, and the forum they are in. ... ... Anyone care to retitle the post? or comment? [End]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,755

birds of a feather... ... ... moreless is a goner. bye-bye. ... [End]
- Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by unyquity 6 year 1,821
  
  bye-bye? ...as in ’lost his mind’ or CZ has taken some type of action? [End]
  - Re: I have no idea how to title this post. edit by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,872
    
    well, if he hasnt lost his mind, what the heck would you call it? ... ... edit - i cant think of a better place for 23 to troll!!!!! [End]
    - There's probably no word/phrase that's descriptive enough n/m Re: I have... by unyquity 6 year 1,798
      
      There’s probably no word/phrase that’s descriptive enough n/m Re: I have no idea how to title this post. [End]
      - Re: There's probably no word/phrase that's descriptive enough n/m Re: I ... by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,767
        
        it is really weird, isnt it? [End]
- Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by wombat 6 year 1,790
  
  Do you know that he is gone for good? And I guess I mean, for the good of all of us and the good of Curezone? [End]
  - Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,769
    
    all i know is he cant handle 23. perhaps they can both keep each other company and forget about the rest of us. [End]

I only wish...Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by unyquity 6 year 1,825

...there was some way to ”block” a poster or a forum (like there is on so many other forums). ... ... I just went over there...OMG...’the beating goes on’. ... ... Now the attack is on the iodine AND the posters. ... ... Oh yes, one other HUGE wish - that CZ would hold everybody accountable to the same rules, and not allow misinformation to be part of the ’educating instead of medicating’. ... ... **sigh** ... ... The truth is still the truth. amen and amen. ... ... ... [End]

Re: I only wish...Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,763

looks like 23 and moreless will make a good match. [End]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by blackngold 6 year 1,905

It is too bad that 23 felt that she could no longer post on the iodine support forum because of perceived hostility. I don’t want to open up the whole debate that engulfed last weekend but why is it that people can’t agree to disagree about certain parts of these protocols without it becoming an all out brawl with bridges being burned. 99.9% of the people on curezone are good people who are here to learn and give help when they can. I put 23 in that category. I hold a different opinion of Kevin Trudeau then many but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have respect for the people on the other si ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by hopinso 6 year 1,824

Under different circumstances I would agree with you 100%. I admit to being shocked at the way ”23” was treated. However, after reading posts on the other forum, I now believe that 23rd Psalm was a plant and was used to cause the arguments and lack of unity that was shown on the Iodine Forum. I suspect several people were manipulated in a not very subtle attempt to discredit iodine therapy. Remember how much = = seemed to enjoy the fussing and fighting. People need to be aware that they can be used to prove a point by subtle suggestion and manipulation and play into the hand of a less t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,672

very good. that poster is as fake as a three dollar bill. supertroll. [End]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by blackngold 6 year 1,855

I have a lot of respect for you Hopinso but maybe it is just that I hold a little different opinion of moreless. i certainly don’t defend some of the tactics he has used including his berating you repeatedly (plus some other people) but I really believe that he is here on curezone to help people. Does he enjoy the limelight? Sure, but I honestly think that he believes in the protocol and thinks he is helping people. He is retired and sees no profit from this. My opinion of him changed a little when I read his website recently and saw that it had been updated to include how he and his wife ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by grzbear 6 year 1,779

I feel similarly to you B&G... ... ... ML, for the most part, has only bashed those that seem to relentlessly bash him and I do think he has a right to defend ”his” chemistry and his ”ways” as much as Corinthian has a right to challenge it with ”his”, or anyone else for that matter. ... ... I know his posting style grates on some people, even if he is posting rather benign information. ... ... When ML hit Wombat with a post though for supporting V, I got pretty upset and a little angry at him... Wombat had every right to support V under the circumstances. In my opinion, her move to defend V was not unl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Grz by wombat 6 year 1,938

I’m glad that you posted that because I was wondering how you were feeling about all of this, since you are among those who have benefited from your association with ML, and I have the utmost respect for you. ... ... I made my feelings clear to ML quite some time ago on his protocol: ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=828384#i ... ... ... I have no problem with the protocol(well, excepting the CH). Eating a good diet in season is a no-brainer, IMO. I am no scientist so I am not capable of bashing his ideas. I must say, though, that Corinthian’s bashing is highly amusing. ... ... I do have a problem ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Grz by grzbear 6 year 1,761

”Consolidating PERSONAL info and then combining it with baseless accusations as he has done with V is absolutely unconscionable, in my opinion.” ... ... I understand full well the information was pulled and consolidated from prior posts, and thus ”public” info... however, that does not make it right or excuse it AT ALL; and I understand full well that V has not been the only victim. I was around when hopinso was hit on his forum and subsequently banned… and then trapper for coming to knock some sense into him shortly thereafter I believe. ... ... I do not like it either when I see things like this ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Grz xxoo!! by wombat 6 year 1,944

... Thank you:) You are SUCH a high-road kinda guy, if everyone played by ”Grz rules” the world would be SO sweet! xxoo!! [End]

Re: Grz by blackngold 6 year 1,836

I agree with you 100% grz. I saw some of those posts that appeared for but just a short time recently before getting removed and they were in very bad taste. I have no idea what a purple chaser is. I actually saved that post to my hard drive because I knew it wouldn’t last long. Celcius used to be Moreless’s biggest supporter/pitbull. Maybe it is my imagination but since his recent dissappearance from curezone Moreless has stepped up to do some of the attacking that Celcius would usually do. It is too bad that everyone can’t just get along. [End]

Re: Grz by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,677

now that i can agree with. [End]

Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by trapper/kcmo 6 year 1,691

wow. what a fully informed statement. [End]

As for me... (+edit) Re: I have no idea how to title this post. by unyquity 6 year 1,759

Respect for life... (humans first, then on down the line--if one chooses to belief various life forms demand various levels of respect) ...is something I have and that every form of life is entitled to (in that regard). I am growing and I am to the point in my learning that I virtually never kill an insect or ’varmit’. If I cannot simply tell it ’you are not welcome here, there is a better, more perfect home for you elsewhere’ and command it leave on it’s own accord, I capture it and take it outside (the only thing I cannot seem to ’command’ are ants and mice...I’m working on that :) Th ... [retrieve this message]

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