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  • Image Embedded Hypertension Cotton Wool Spot Symptom Image by Biomom   26 h  24  Cardiovascular / AIDS Suppo / Diabetes T / 4 / 5 / 6
     
    My 19 year old daughter came out of college finals with an area of blurry vision. ... ... She was diagnosed with Cotton Wool Spot and needs to be tested for hypertension, diabetes and HIV. ... ... Please notice the image she photoshopped of her symptoms below, as there are none I could find on Google: ... ... http://curezone.com/upload/_C_Forums/Cardiovascular/vision3.png   [End]
  • Vertical double vision...readable shadow by InfoSeeker   47 days  110
     
    Here’s a new one...VERTICAL DOUBLE VISION...sort of. On top of all my other health issues (cncer, lyme, etc.), my right eye is getting bad fast (cataract? something from RK 20 years ago?). Also, I’m seeing double vision VERTICALLY....ok it is maybe more like a complete shadow...one I can read! Anyone got any clues? I’ve looked all over the net and even eye schools and organizations....no clue. Any help would be appreciated. It is exhausting to try to get my eyes to work together and sometimes I just close my right eye (left eye sees wonderfully except for the shadow). Thanks Y’all!   [End]
    • Re: Vertical double vision...readable shadow by hardy11   3 days  32
       
      The nerves controlling the eyes connect directly to the mind. Further visual processing occurs within the brain. Many different causes for double vision develop in the brain. They include: ... Increased pressure within the mind from stress, blood loss, or infection ... Strokes ... Aneurysms ... Mind tumors ... Headaches   [End]
  • Eye by TWLIGHTOF MORTALS   69 days  253  Parasites Support / Eyes Probl / Eyesight
     
    Last night I ate local Indian that has the ghost peppers fresh.. after a year I am able to eat about 1/2 of one chopped up fine... about 15-20 min later I felt as if something was swimming in my left eye, try desperately to get out... when I got home I continued eating some more of the pepper... I (like most of you) would like to get this critter OUT! I will go back tomorrow and see if they have some more .. they have one plant and I have been trying to get some seeds going, the peppers are fresh and they freeze them to store, they will not give me a cutting, I don’t believe they believe I ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Eye by albeit   69 days  227
       
      Have you ever used Dr. Christopher’s Eyebright Eyewash? It has cayenne in it, and takes some getting used to, but it gets those eye critters running for the hills. When I first used it, I woke up with my eyes almost swollen shut from all the dead carcasses (sandy stuff) that had come out during the night. It’s so hot, you have to work your way up from one drop in like a coke bottle cap full of distilled water. I got up to 4 drops before I ran out of it, but I’m going to get more. Someone once posted a recipe from some guy in India that was garlic and cayenne eyedrops they use over there fo ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Eye by CLEW   69 days  553
       
      http://ghostpepperstore.3dcartstores.com/Pepper-Seeds_c_8.html ... ... You can find seeds here... I used to grow them... Once I barely rubbed my face while chopping and was hurt’n for certain for about an hour. I’ve never used cayenne for the eyes...yet. ... ... There are also eye drops containing a small amount of bee venom that are worth checking out from Dancing bee acres. It does burn but has helped me with previous eye troubles.   [End]
    • Re: Eye by glaxony   68 days  191
       
      things that have caused floaters to zoom in my eyes are SSKI and madagascar cloves ... ... other possibilities are methylene blue and boswellia serrate ... ... the combination of wormwood and bloodroot causes something to move in my head ... ... it is good to have a list of options in case resistance is an issue   [End]
      • Re: Eye by TWLIGHTOF MORTALS   68 days  195
         
        Thanks! ... I had tried CS a while back which made my eyes burn a little, they felt soothed after. THEN I ran out, and I got this SOTA silver pulser... and STILL have not bought any CS or made any myself... I found my Radio Shack universal/adjustable trans former and soon as I have some time...complete that goal! ... ... eye drops w/bee venom from Dancing bee acres ... ... SSKI and madagascar cloves ... ... methylene blue and boswellia serrate ... ... Garlic & Cayenne home made drops ... ... Dr. Christopher’s Eyebright Eyewash ... ... Images of Wrath of Ricardo Montalban! ... ... What I meant to say was this critter in my eye ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Black mold has given me a cloudy eye? by throughthewire56   69 days  247  Toxic Mold / Candida Su / Eyes Probl / 4 / 5
     
    Hello all. I had gotten sick with what I believed was black mold poisioning around thanksgiving. My first symptom was a swollen lymph node then eventually into problems breathing, headaches, tiredness and the works. (I had been bathing in a shower that had black mold on the shower head where the water shoots out, mistake I know). But one morning I woke up after a night of drinking with friends and my right eye was blurry, I had light sensitivity as well. The blurriness stayed blurry for atleast a week but eventually it went away but my eyesight never returned to normal in my right eye. But ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Black mold has given me a cloudy eye? by franklinwhite   3 days  56
       
      Sorry to hear about that. But i am really shocked that mold can cause such serious damage to your eyes. You get different types of eye drops for different problems may be you can try to put some drops. And how did you get rid of that mold? ... ... mold south Florida   [End]
  • Ozone Catraract Implant? by ecogenie2   89 days  266  Oxygen / Eyes Probl / Eyesight / 4 / 5 / 6
     
    I am having cataract surgery and wondering if using ozone in the ears will affect the implant in a bad way since it is made of I guess a plastic substance?   [End]
  • Image Embedded Eye regeneration from inside out. by nacdrops   4 mon  418  Eyes Problems / Eye Floate / Eyesight
     
    N-Acetyl Carnosine eye drops is not the only way to target eye degeneration. ... ... There are even more natural ways to eye health, from my personal experience, raw greens target inflammation and empower the body to heal. ... ... Our family believes in nutrition and raw food. This is one of the raw food testimonials which mentions the effect of green smoothies on eye health alone. ... ... Contact@nacdrops.com ... ... Visit out marketplace for more info about us. ... ... http://www.beautifulonraw.com/raw-food-blog/raw-foods-gave-me-new-eyes/ ... ... ...   [End]
    • Re: Eye regeneration from inside out. by logan2020   29 days  101
       
      Thanks for the tip. How long have you been using these eye drops? ... ... Also can a person with non-cataracts take these eye drops? Does it work for any eye condition? ... ... Brooke   [End]
  • Cataract Treatment by jeanrose   5 mon  727  Eyes Problems / Eyesight / Eye Floate / 4 / 5 / 6
     
    Hello, ... ... I wanted to know more about cataract, its signs and symptoms, and how it can be safely treated. I have been researching a lot in various forums and reading materials about it. Any help here? Thanks.   [End]
    • Re: Cataract Treatment by MamacatPatch   5 mon  623
       
      Cataracts are basically the lens of the eyes forming a cloudy film over time. Things start to get a bit fuzzy or dim and overall vision diminishes, too. ... ... I found I couldn’t see far away and I am nearsighted. Went and got new glasses thinking it was my vision getting worse but the Rx was the same! Went to the eye doc and found out I had cataracts. Time passed. Having some doc operating on my eye scared me big time. Finally I had them both done. ... ... It didn’t hurt at all and I got some good drugs to make me not care about what the doc was doing. HA. They cut a small slit on the side ...   [retrieve this message]
      • Re: Cataract Treatment by nacdrops   4 mon  482
         
        Hi there, if you have any consideration of avoiding a procedure you can look into N-Acetyl-Carnosine eye Drops for Cataract reversal.   [End]
      • Re: Cataract Treatment by ecogenie2   89 days  364
         
        Did you get dry eyes at all after surgery and why do you need to wear glasses if your sight is better? I am going tomorrow for surgery and am scared that something bad is going to happen either now or in the future with the implants. Do you know what they are made of?   [End]
    • Re: Cataract Treatment by #136970   62 days  243
       
      ... ... Had a very similar experience to yours - except they did one eye at a time, ... six weeks apart.  They covered the operated on eye with a bandage for 24 ... hours and when they took the first bandage off I was shocked at the colors that ... I could see with my "new" eye and lens.  Colors had slowly faded ... away from the cataracts over the years. ... ... Prior to my surgeries I had to wear glasses all the time but now - four years ... after the surgeries, I still only need glasses for reading.  A couple of ... times during the first two years after surgery my vision became blurry in ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Bad reaction to Lutein, Carotenoid Supplements - Why? by ilove80s   5 mon  488  Ask CureZone / Supplement / Eyes Probl / 4
     
    So I decided to try a couple of supplements for their supposed protective, antioxidant benefits - lutein (with zeaxanthin), and a mixed carotenoid supplement consisting of several ”carotenoid” nutrients (alpha and beta carotene, lutein, zeaxanthin, lycopene, and astaxanthin). To my surprise and dismay, both of these supplements seem to cause negative mental/psychological symptoms - I seem to feel and look more ”out of it” than usual. It’s hard to put into words exactly what these symptoms entail or how they make me feel - I just have a general ”brain fog” that I can even physically feel ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Bad reaction to Lutein, Carotenoid Supplements - Why? by blackngold   5 mon  557
       
      ”Does anyone have any idea why I would have such a negative response to these supplements? Has anyone else had this experience with these nutrients?” ... ... Hi ilove80’s. ... ... First off. You seem to reference previous brainfog. ... Were you experiencing brainfog and then you took these and they made it worse? Or was that something that happened in the past and was gone and then suddenly reappeared... ... ... With so little to go on I will say this......... ... ... It seems like while you may have only started up a regiment of very few supplements................ ... ... Well at least one of them has numerous thin ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Smudge light vision by Arsonist941   5 mon  446  Eyesight / Eyes Probl
     
    Whenever I look at a light such as a street like or lamp it is surrounded by a smudgey circle and has extra light rays shinning out of it. I notice this with and without my glasses even with clean glasses. Anyone know what this is? It only looks smudgey when I see light.   [End]
    • Re: Smudge light vision by summerhaunt   5 mon  287
       
      You need to see your doctor. It could be any of a number of things (e.g., astigmatism, the start of cataracts, diabetes, Vitamin A deficiency, zinc efficiency, etc.), but it does sound like the start of cataracts. ... ... See this entry from WebMD: The first symptom of cataracts is often decreased night vision. The light distortion caused by cataracts also frequently produces halos around lights -- again, mostly at night. Blurry vision is also common.   [End]
    • Re: Smudge light vision by jamescorn01   5 mon  343
       
      hi! ... smudge light vision is very common when your eyes need some rest or 2nd reason of the smudgy vision is that your eye sight need to clear out with cold water twice a day.it will give you relaxation.there are many sights which can help you in this situation.one of the site in my knowledge is http://waystoimproveyourvision.com/. hope this will help you   [End]
  • light sensitivity after exposure to bright light by #109287   6 mon  357  Eyes Problems / Eyesight / Ask CureZo
     
    dear community, ... ... i have tried googling this but haven’t found any (pun intended) inSIGHT as to remedies (or causes) of what’s going on with my vision... ... ... after one day cleaning out my home’s leaky refrigerator and having to endure exposure an inch away from the dual lightbulbs inside, i got a sharp pain in my right eye, and felt stinging (in one, or both eyes) all day ... ... ...the stinging has continued and it has been several months... ... i can no longer tolerate normal light... ... my computer screen which i’ve had at the same brightness for years, i have had to dim to the point where it’s ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Fuchs corneal dystrophy by 32771   6 mon  229  Eyesight / Eyes Probl
     
    My sister in her mid-60’s is recently diagnosed with Fuchs corneal dystrophy. Our mother had cataract surgery and in a short time developed corneal problems. Since this is said to be genetic, my sister is really worried that if she have a transplant the anti-rejection drugs will affect the immune system which is not good since she had cancer in the past. Was wondering if any had some insight on this specific problem. ... Thanks ...   [End]
  • Image Embedded How Sunglasses Can Save Your Vision by nacdrops   7 mon  759
     
    ... ... ... ... ... Just how dangerous to the eyes is the sun? People who do not protect their eyes from the UV rays from the sun are at higher risk for serious eye diseases such as cataracts and macular degeneration. ... These diseases can eventually lead to permanent vision loss. The cornea can also be burnt by the sun, a condition known as keratitis. Keratitis is very painful and leads to temporary loss of vision. ... ... Direct exposure to sunlight is not the only danger.  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Video Embedded safe natural approach instead of risky eye surgery by nacdrops   7 mon  380
     
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Please, make sure you try everything else BEFORE deciding to go through with this procedure. See our marketplace forum to learn more about natural eye care.   [End]
  • treating severe dry eye-ULTIMATE method by nacdrops   8 mon  1,212  Eyes Problems / Eye Floate / Eyesight
     
    N*acetyl*carnosine eye drops work on many conditions including dry eye BUT for SEVERE dry eye disorder I would recommend blood plasma serum eye drops. ... The use of AUTOLOGUS SERUM(blood plasma) in the form of eye drops has been reported as a new treatment for severe ocular surface disorders. ... ... (For more info on eye drops visit our marketplace post). ... ... One vial of blood provides about a week supply of pure plasma, this is why usually up to 12 vials are needed to obtain a good amount of plasma. I would recommend to start your dry eye with carnosine drops first, and if you don’t get good res ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Dr Schulze on the eyewash formula and eye diseases   R by knowledge seeker   9 mon  1,478  Eyes Problems / Eyesight / Diabetes T / 4
     
    Interview of Dr Schulze talking about eye diseases ... ... This formula and program have worked for all eye diseases from glaucoma to retinopathy to cataracts to no optic nerve to even some cases of blindness ... ...   ... ... INTERVIEWER: Why have my readers got such disappointing results with Dr.Christopher’s eye formula? ...   ... SCHULZE: The first reason goes to what we talked about earlier; poor quality commercial-grade herbs. You want to make sure the herbs are organically grown or wild-crafted. You cannot trust where commercial herbs were grown, and how they were treated when they were impo ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Natural Vision Improvement by mclearsight   11 mon  1,214  Eyesight / Eyes Probl / Eye Floate / 4
     
    Two websites with FREE Natural Vision improvement training, E-Books; ... http://cleareyesight.info/ ... http://www.cleareyesight.info/naturalvisionimprovementoriginalandmodernbatesmethod/ ... ... Includes copy of Ophthalmologist William H. Bates Better Eyesight Magazine - 132 Issues entire collection. ... Dr. Bates Book; The Cure of Imperfect Sight by Treatment Without Glasses included. ... ... Many pictures-easy to learn, practice, fast clear eyesight.   [End]
  • Pterygium (conjunctiva) surfers eye - any help? by goshujin   11 mon  1,350  Eyesight / Eyes Probl / Eye Floate
     
    Hi guys, ... ... It turns out I now have this issue. ... Has anyone else had luck reversing this without surgery? ... ... i heard castor oil might help by putting on eye lids at night. ...   [End]
  • Histamines: muscle cramping / discomfort & vision? by MikeS   11 mon  716  Allergies & Intolera / Eyes Probl / Eyesight
     
    I know the classic and most obvious symptoms of histamine intolerance is sneezing, congestion, bloodshot & watering eyes. ... ... However, has anyone ever had issues of muscle cramping and discomfort related to histamines? If so, how long might that take to resolve after adopting a low histamine diet? ... ... Also, could there be any connection to rather sudden change in vision (difficulty in reading close)? ... ... I was wondering if the muscles in the eyes are required to focus close, and if there is a systemic issue with muscles, if that could perhaps be related? ... ... Though I’m 44, and I know that’s ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Exotropia by judy-c   11 mon  385
     
    Does anyone have this? ... ... Thanks, ... Judy   [End]
  • What type of lenses should I get? by wrob99   12 mon  347
     
    I’m just looking for some more feedback. I was prescribed glasses, and not sure which lenses I should get. The stats are (as far as I can read from this presription): ... ... O.D. -1.75 / -2.00 x 0/0 ... O.S. PC / -3.25 x 177 ... P.D. Add + 1.0000 ... ... From what I gather, I could get one set of glasses for up close vision, such as reading and computer use, and another pair for distance vision, like reading street signs. I could also get a pair with both. Is it better to just get a pair with both? Is it better for my vision getting two pairs or one? ... ... Thank you   [End]
  • Therapy to Improve Facial Structure by #153552   12 mon  942  Down Syndrome / Restless L / Beauty Tip / 4 / 5 / 6
     
    Few people realize how many health improvements are made when the cranial/facial bones are allowed to adjust to their natural position. ... ... There’s a therapy that helps with more than just asymmetrical faces and a crooked nose- it can even help individuals with Down Syndrome make very significant recoveries. Helps with endocrine disorders, scoliosis and all types of spine problems, nervous system disorders - the list goes on and on. ... ... There are doctors who treat in several states throughout the U.S. but it is a little-known therapy. I wrote an article about it here, for more informatio ...   [retrieve this message]
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  • EyeProblem by wjudeacosta   13 mon  453  Eyesight / Eyes Probl
     
    [url=http://www.nnjei.com/]LASIK NJ[/url]I always work infront of my computer roughly 18 hours per day. Right now i feel pain around my eyes with accompanying headache. Is this normal? Do i just need to rest or it needs medical attention?   [End]
  • Graves Disease Question by vociferous   13 mon  627
     
    I know someone who has Graves Disease, and they frequently take her off the dangerous drugs (like thuyroxil) that reduce her swelling and inflammation at the eyes. ... Her symptoms are worst when she just wakes up, early in the day. The white parts of her eyeballs are now bulging forward, almost spilling out to overlap the skin under her eyes. ... She has already had an operation behind her eyes to ”bring the eyes back in the socket”, but obviously, doctors have no clue of how to stop this apparently thyroid-related swelling. ... I have tried to get her to try Bugleweed/Motherwort extract (by He ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Graves Disease Question by uchihaMadara   13 mon  685
       
      You might find these reads interesting: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1589414 ... ... http://www.iodine4health.com/disease/thyroidisease/autoimmune/autoimmune.htm ... ... Graves’ Disease is an autoimmune disease in which the thyroid over produces thyroid hormones. The receptor for TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone from the pituitary) is the primary target of the immune system in Graves’ disease. The receptor-stimulating antibodies bind to the receptor, stimulating it like TSH does. Thus, like TSH, they stimulate an increased production of thyroid hormones, or hyperthyroidism. ... ... ... Check o ...   [retrieve this message]
  • "cosmic vision" by chirontherainbowbridge   13 mon  1,030  Eyesight / Eyes Probl
     
    Mantak Chia tells of a 105 year old man with perfect vision near and far, who told an eye specialist from the 1900s ... of a daily practise for the eyes. ... ... Put 4 drops of fresh lemon juice in an eyecup of purified water -perhaps distilled, and rinse each eye with this. ... (each eye get fresh solution. ) this is said to be valuable for cataracts too.... ... ... you can read more in Mantak Chia’s book Cosmic vision... ... ... Chiron   [End]
    • Re: "cosmic vision" by vociferous   13 mon  795
       
      Thanks, Chiron. Mantak Chia has a lot of good advice. ... I’ll try to find an eyecup and try this out. How long do you rinse? ... ... Paul   [End]
  • Sudden eye pain and cloudy vision by nekoboy   14 mon  2,757  Eyes Problems / Eyesight
     
    Today my right eye itched for some reason. Then slowly my eye starting hurting and my vision starting being cloudy on and off. It’s become worse, it’s like there’s a veil of grey covering my right eye. The eye hurts, but not overly so, it’s more of an ache. If I move my head down it hurts more. The eye is a bit pink on one side. Also the eye is producing a lot of green mucus. ... ... What is this? It’s freaking me out :/ ... ...   [End]
    • Sudden eye pain and cloudy vision by #136235   14 mon  2,375
       
      I am battling a golden staph infection. At times this has got into the space around the eye (where the tears are). This has happened twice in one eye, and once in the other. On more occasions, I have had the same thing with only minor infection. ... ... I had most of the symptoms you have. ... ... Pus forms in the tears, and can cover the part of the eye you see through, making it so you can’t see as well. The pus eventually collects in the corner of your eye near your nose (where dust collects), and you can remove it. ... ... It also causes itching. ... ... My eyes were also red, as I had boils all over my b ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Colloidal silver should do the trick by Dquixote1217   14 mon  2,653
       
      Get yourself an eyecup (available at most pharmacies) and use colloidal silver to wash your eyes several times a day.  Basically, you just put colloidal silver in the cup, lean over and get a good seal around the eye and then lean back and open your eye and give the colloidal silver a minute or two to its thing.  No need to rinse afterwards with water.  In lieu of an eyecup, you could use an eyedropper to rinse the eye with colloidal silver. ... ... Your red eye, mucous and pain should be gone in only a day or so.  It has never failed me or anyone I know who had p ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Sudden eye pain and cloudy vision by nekoboy   14 mon  2,487
       
      When I woke up this morning my eye was glued shut from all the excess mucus. I removed it and the eye looks okay, my vision is normal again and the veil of grey is gone. The eye is now entirely pink. The eyelid a tiny bit swollen. The area around the eye feels slightly numb too. ... ... I’m not sure if it’s the eyeball or around the eye that hurts. I mostly get pain if I move my eye facing down eg. sleeping on the side or stomach hurts. ... ... I don’t have colloidal silver, but I have the other stuff you guys mentioned: oregano oil, eyebright, olive leaf extract, etc. I’ll try that.   [End]
    • Re: Sudden eye pain and cloudy vision by jaredflared   14 mon  2,438
       
      that’s strange indeed, sounds pretty bad also I once had a similar issue but it wasn’t so extreme it was like something like a sort of ”veil” started covering my eye up, but never recall getting any ”green mucus” but then again I started having eye problems you know blurry vision and stuff, but can honestly say I’m all better of any eye problems now, I found some ”Magic bullets” you see, just in the nick of time too because the doc said I was actually developing a serious life threatening disease, you can read about it if you want here: ... ... http://sevenreview.com/health-beauty/got-my-eye-si ...   [retrieve this message]
    • It looks to me it is germ related by nacdrops   8 mon  1,713
       
      You can get an antibiotic eye drops but try colloidal silver in the eye, for me it worked wonders with yeast/bacterial infections. It works very fast.   [End]
  • Cured macular degeneration by fred33m   14 mon  1,230  Eyesight / Eyes Probl / Eye Floate / 4 / 5
     
    Ive cured myself from macular degeneration using the varizapper frequency generator and program driver for eyes. this detoxed the eye (cause) and stimulated the nerve ending, now my eye is completley healed. I still need glasses but the MD is gone. email me for for details.   [End]
  • Glaucome cure - update by parrotgreen   15 mon  1,691  Eyes Problems / Eye Floate / Eyesight
     
    Update on my thread of 20 days ago ... http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1902925 ... ... ... Well, we are not dead yet. ... N. has had no recurrence of his eye pressure. He is faithfully doing his BD 20 mns a day. ... ... M. is OK and eye pressure is completely normal. ... ... I am on my 54th day and about two weeks ago I saw perfectly well, no cataracts and much less myopia (improvement of 4 dioptries!!!! which I could check with old glasses). Unfortunately this did not last as next day it was back as before. ... This happened again today. YEAH!!!!!!! ... I suppose I just have to wait until it happens more and more ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Glaucome cure - update by torn2tears   15 mon  1,393
       
      Hi PG, ... ... I normally only post on Iodine forum. ... Glad to see those who appreciate your great posts! ... ... Congrats! Great find!!! ... ... Here is some more on it for those TUB dwellers. ... ... Cold friction Sitz bath: Sitz or hip bath was first devised by a German Loui Kuhne. You need a tub for this kind of bath. There should be as much water in it as would come upto you side of the tub and your legs should protrude out of the tub on the other side. Your feet could rest on a stool. In this way the part of your body from the navel upto the middle of thigh will be immersed in water. While sitting in the ...   [retrieve this message]
      • Re: Glaucoma cure - update and sitz bath by parrotgreen   15 mon  1,655
         
        Thanks for providing these interesting details Torn! ... The way I do it is similar to the friction bath but in effect quite different. ... I would say it is a blend of the friction bath and the Karsai Nei Tsang, a Taoist practice involving massaging the genitals. ... ... It is a kind of Karsai Nei Tsang with the value of cold water added. Not as thorough as Karsai Nei Tsang because you cannot do it to yourself completely, but you can do more than half the movements on your own. ... And maybe more efficient in some ways than Karsai Nei Tsang because of the cold effect and because you can do it regularly ...   [retrieve this message]
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