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  • Paul's gospel must be accepted by newnature   70 days  340
     
    Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace. ... ... One of Satan’s purpose in this age of grace is to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, and there are many people out there today saying all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved. They bel ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Jury Awards Over $100 Million in Faith Healing Wrongful Death Suit by LCD   5 mon  840  News / Religion D / Dogma
     
    Jury Awards Over $100 Million in Faith Healing Wrongful Death Suit ... ... Wrongful death due to religion: Faith healing killed Misty Horner ... December 25, 2012 ... By idoubtit ... ... A rejection of modern medicine resulted in the death of a young woman from childbirth (and her child). The family sued her husband, his brother and a midwife who were members of a church who believed in faith healing. The jury was unanimous in their verdict against three, but you can’t bring Misty back. Can we eliminate this kind of backwards, irrational thinking? The jury sent a powerful message. ... ... Jury Awards Over $100 ...   [retrieve this message]
  • The Savior has emerged,, please read more by Prince313   5 mon  340
     
    In the Name of Allah (swt), The Most-Gracious, The Most-Merciful ... ... God’s promise, which he promised you thousands of years ago has come true. The savior has emerged, messenger from Imam Al Mahdi (AS) to the world. The promised paraclete from jesus to the christians and the messenger from elijah to the jews. Imam Ahmed Al Hassan the savior is here and calls you to god. ... ... In the name of God the most merciful and graceful ... ... Praise be to God ... ... Peace and prayers upon Mohammed and his kinship of Imams and Mahdies ... ... All doctrines have conffessed and ratified that this is the end of the world ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: The Savior has emerged,, please read more by Prince313   5 mon  499
       
      http://www.the-savior.com/home/ ... (arabic) http://www.almahdyoon.org/ ... (english) http://the-savior.com/home/ ... (english) http://forum.the-savior.com/ ... (english) http://saviorofmankind.com/ ... (french) http://le-consolateur.com/ ... (persian) http://mahdyeen.org/ ... (persian) http://ir.mahdyeen.org/ ... (persian) http://doc.yamaani.com/ ... (urdu) http://www.pakistanis-for-yamani.com/   [End]
  • more on the second coming by peppermintpaddy   9 mon  847
     
    http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/messages ... ... There are new messages almost daily and soon there will not be any more. ... ... Please share these warnings. ...   [End]
  • Image Embedded The Christian Origins of U.S.A. /34 1 by Michael B   11 mon  892
     
    Here we see that from the very beginning that our Good Nation the United States of American has been founded upon Christianity and the Glory of God. ... ... George Washington was baptized as an infant into the Church of England,[3][4] ... ... ... As an adult, Washington served as a member of the vestry (lay council) for his local parish. Office-holding qualifications at all levels—including the House of Burgesses, to which Washington was elected in 1758—required affiliation with the current state religion and an undertaking that one would neither express dissent nor do anything th ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.2 by refreshed   11 mon  810
       
      Yeah many of us know about this stuff, thanks. You may want to post that on the Mormon forum. Don’t they believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers?   [End]
      • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.3 by Michael B   11 mon  831
         
        I believe the Man behind the name warned about false idolatry- in this case you can see that the very mechanism that spread what were once his ”teachings” have in and of themselves taken on a form of idolism- in the form of ideas, the bible, hyper grammatical syntax obsession, and condemning others to hell if they don’t believe in ”him”. I do not believe this was Christ’s original intention. ... ... I also do not believe a loving God would condemn his beloved creations to everlasting fire. The original words from which the ”god” of the bible was translated from was Elohim and Nefilim. Elohim is ...   [retrieve this message]
        • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.4 by refreshed   11 mon  805
           
          Ok, I’m trying to say this nicely, but you do understand the meaning of support forums? Don’t you? I know full well why you have brought that to us and you realize that we don’t accept that information, so you may feel you are being helpful, but you are not being proper. In the future, would you please post such things in the christian debate forum. ok? ... ... And tell your buddies, not to send any more of this stuff over here....please....it’s not proper procedure for curezone. It is proper to post it in the debate forum.   [End]
          • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.5 by Michael B   11 mon  814
             
            Perhaps receiving a private message from one of your buddies telling me how I am going to ”go to hell” because of my ”occult belief” is part of it.   [End]
            • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.6 by refreshed   11 mon  823
               
              Sorry MB, but I don’t know anything about that...but as evil as you make our beliefs sound, I would think that you would be scared to death to receive any private message from me....hmmm, perhaps I should use that to my advantage....BOO! ... ... I am however staying (right now) at the home of a 32 degree mason, so, who knows.   [End]
              • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.7 by Michael B   11 mon  775
                 
                You are the lesser of evils and a gentleman compared to the real perpetrators. ... ... Most freemasons don’t know the satanic element of their organization so you shouldn’t have to worry.   [End]
                • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.8 by refreshed   11 mon  735
                   
                  Lesser evil? Perpetrators? Am I suppose to understand? Gentlewoman...if you don’t mind. ... ...   [End]
                  • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.9 by Michael B   11 mon  744
                     
                    ”Father forgive them for they do not know”   [End]
                    • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.10 by refreshed   11 mon  817
                       
                      Holy Father, bless this man with your love, let him know that you are the one who created the heavens and earth and died so he may live. Forgive him Lord as I have forgiven him. Let his blasphemy be turned away from you Father and forgive him for I do not wish to see him suffer your wrath. Save this sinner as you did me from your judgement Lord...Your Will be done...I pray in Jesus’ name. Amen   [End]
                      • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.11 by peppermintpaddy   11 mon  833
                         
                        Read the warning signs...in this we would not talk to each other this way.   [End]
                        • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.12 by refreshed   11 mon  769
                           
                          Thank you peppermintpaddy, but I must ask you this question. Do you believe that Jesus is God? Yes or no? ... ... If you say yes, then we both can pray and our Father in heaven will hear us. Our unity comes through Him and not in our agreeing on every point. ... ... Others that have wrongly come here to smear the deity of Jesus, who do not believe He is God, do however believe they are gods. ... ... The reason I question you on this point is because of the catholic call for ALL religions to join in unity. Not all religions believe that Jesus is God....matter of fact, they think that is blasphemy. So ...   [retrieve this message]
                          • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.13 by refreshed   11 mon  768
                             
                            So are you not basically praying to God for them to be saved of their sins and yet to their faces, telling them, they are not in sin? Where is truthfulness? Why would anyone use satan’s way of teaching?   [End]
                            • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.14 by peppermintpaddy   11 mon  740
                               
                              I believe in the Trinity, yes. ... ... I do not judge. ... What you say is true. ... ... I do not argue.   [End]
                              • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.15 by refreshed   11 mon  737
                                 
                                Of course we don’t, that is what the Word of God does. That is why we quote it and that is why unbelievers don’t accept what the bible says....because of their rebellion. ... ... Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing even to the point of dividing soul from spirit, and joints from marrow; it is able to judge the desires and thoughts of the heart. 4:13 And no creature is hidden from God, 14 but everything is naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must render an account. ... ...   [End]
                                • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.16 by peppermintpaddy   11 mon  811
                                   
                                  I see myself as human, flawless, and learning... ... ... That is all I am willing to voice... ... ... I am just preparing for myelf and those I know and will come to know. ... I respect all religions and for the most part we all believe there is one God. ... ... I believe in prayer, I do not trust man much anymore I have a mind and we all have free will..I hope to receive many graces and for you and others as well to come. ... ...   [End]
                                  • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.17 by refreshed   11 mon  807
                                     
                                    You see yourself as flawless? That is not a christian belief. God may see you flawless in this sense. ... ... Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood —to be received by faith. ... ... By faith and by the blood, you are seen as flawless in God’s eyes as far as salvation goes, but never should you see yourself as flawless, for we sin daily. That line of thinking causes us to fall into dece ...   [retrieve this message]
                                    • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.18 by peppermintpaddy   11 mon  736
                                       
                                      No, I was in a hurry..(typo,brain fart) I do not see myself as flawless but as a human being and a sinner. I meant not without flaw. ... I used to judge..I no longer want to go there. ... ... Good bye ... Not returning to this forum. ... Nice meeting you. ... ... ... ...   [End]
                                      • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.19 by refreshed   11 mon  764
                                         
                                        I understand. Good to know that you don’t think you are flawless. I hope that I was able to let you see through my eyes as a non-catholic, while we may think we are in unity and praying for the same things....sometimes we are not. ... ... I would have always thought that the catholic church with symbolic crucifixes being the constant reminder of our sins dying on the cross with Jesus, that sin would be a very important issue in dealing with the lost. I can now see through your eyes why you disapprove of protestants using scripture to point out sin in another person’s life. ... ... Thank you for d ...   [retrieve this message]
                              • Re: The Christian Origins of U.S.A.20 by Lonefeather   4 mon  294
                                 
                                If Jesus is GOD......... ... 1. Then why is he called the firstborn of all creation? ( ... Col. 1:15 Revelation 3:14 and John 1:14 ... 2.Why did Jesus say the father is greater than I am. John 14:23 ... 3. Who spoke to Jesus at the time of his babtizm, saying ”this is my son? Matthew 3:17 ... 4.why did Paul say that the head of Christ is god? 1 Cor.11:3 ... 5. How was Jesus dead and God alive at the same time?   [End]
                          • The Living Truth of Christ22 by Michael B   11 mon  819
                             
                            You have missed the point of Jesus’ teachings- literally you have ”sinned” or ”missed the mark”/”missed the point”. ... ... Of course Jesus is God. So am I, and so are you- this is a simple truth of life and reality that humanity has fallen out of awareness from. We are all God just as every cell of your body is ”you”. There is individuation within the Oneness of Life, but ultimately it is one supreme being in existence. ... ... Jesus was in a state of consciousness where he was aware that he, as well as every man, woman, child, creature, rock, sentient and inanimate object was God. Buddha also atta ...   [retrieve this message]
                            • Re: The Living Truth of Christ23 by trust2009   11 mon  767
                               
                              beautiful... say more of it.   [End]
                              • godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!24 by refreshed   11 mon  789
                                 
                                This is not being a singing bird Trust2009. The two of you do not support this forum. This is wrong. This take over is not right. If our christian moderator was available you two would be removed. ... ... Are we being ignored by global moderators that do as they will so their global agenda is fulfilled? ... ... All christians need to see and know what is coming upon us. Read and Weep. It is our fault because we let these people make us believe that we were too strong in our message....the Word. Well guess what...welcome to the New World Order christians.....weep. ... ... You better speak the true b ...   [retrieve this message]
                                • Re: godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!25 by Rainy.   11 mon  701
                                   
                                  Yes, I agree. The time we have left is short. Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes daily. Now on this forum the blind are trying to lead those of us who have allowed the Holy Spirit to open our blind eyes to see the truth. If someone would have cared enough about me when I was blind, to contact me privately to try and help me, I would have welcomed it, I hope. This is love. Letting people remain in deception shows no love and is actually cruel. It was not me who contacted him, but I think the person who did showed great love and concern for him. How does this person return ...   [retrieve this message]
                                • Re: godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!26 by vektek   11 mon  754
                                   
                                  ... We need to have the gospel stored in our hearts like Andy had Mozart stored in his. No matter what happens, they can’t take what’s inside. ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM7y5KrS4QI ... ... Red is right, hope is a dangerous thing, when it is false hope. But hope in Christ is real hope, a hope that won’t disappoint. ... ... Romans 5:5 ... This hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. ... ... And we need to be ready to share this hope with anyone that will listen. ... ... 1 Peter 3:15 but in your hearts hono ...   [retrieve this message]
                                  • Re: godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!27 by Rainy.   11 mon  680
                                     
                                    This was really good.   [End]
                                  • Re: godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!28 by refreshed   11 mon  730
                                     
                                    Keepers of the Word.   [End]
                                    • Re: godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!29 by trust2009   11 mon  685
                                       
                                      when I was peaceful a Word came to me and a life appeared before me...the keepers of the Word, ... Ok, we say we have Jesus living blood in us or His DNA. ... I like also the clean water and holy spirit turning it into life. I like the holy spirit and water and the son. ... Bless you all!   [End]
                                      • Re: godless takeover!!!!!!!!!!!!!30 by refreshed   11 mon  773
                                         
                                        Trust2009, we are all created by God and that is why we all....every sinner ever born has the right to partake of the salvation that Christ has shared. We come to Christ just as we are.....we realize the greatness of His being, we humble ourselves. ... ... For we come to realize we are lost. ... ... Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. ... ... Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. ... ... We Must believe. ... ... Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to ...   [retrieve this message]
                              • Video Embedded Man awakens to truth!31 by Rainy.   11 mon  707
                            • Video Embedded Re: The Living Truth of Christ33 by Rainy.   11 mon  713
                            • Video Embedded Re: The Living Truth of Christ34 by Rainy.   11 mon  732
  • Apollonius the Nazarene: Was he the Real Jesus? by #154426   11 mon  578
     
    ... ... ... This Awareness indicates that there was the influence on the Roman Empire at the time. ... ... It was under Constantine that the roman government decided these religions have to come together under one catholic order. The word ‘catholic’ in roman language meant ‘universal’; thus, they sought a catholic religion or universal religion for Rome. ... ... Thus, Constantine called together all of the officials of the various religions in Rome at the time, and this was the purpose of this council of Nicea. This Awareness indicates that as these officials from the various religions presented their ...   [retrieve this message]
  • HEAVEN IS REAL: “Celestria (Heaven), Terrestria & Hades”. by #154426   11 mon  553
     
    ... ... ... ... This Awareness indicates that in the area of negativity, in which entities seek punishment has been referred to by this Awareness as that which can be called the realm of Hades. It is all a mental state, though it can be seen, it can be felt, it can be experienced just as a dream can be seen, felt an experienced; and beyond this realm of Hades is that realm of Celestria. ... ... This Awareness indicates the area of Celestria, much like Hades, have different levels. Wherein, Hades, things can become worse and worse and worse, depending on how far you wish to become involved in the nega ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Heaven is here, on Earth, in Present Time by #136970   11 mon  1,164
       
      ... ... Heaven is here, on Earth, in Present Time, just as Jesus said it is.  ... ... "...look neither here nor there because, the Kingdom of Heaven is within ... you."  Luke 17:21.  Taught 2,000 years ago - and wasn’t original ... even then. ... ... ...   [End]
  • “Religion and Mind Control”. by #154426   11 mon  528
     
    ... This Awareness indicates the mind is not truly thinking until it questions everything it “Believes”. ... ... If you wish to have the mind that is free from programming, from being polarized or being told what to think, you must be able to question your own beliefs without fear, and do so with the knowledge that it is healthy to be able to thus question your own beliefs. ... ... This Awareness indicates most entities are programmed not to question those things that they have been taught to believe. Most entities are encouraged to reinforce those things they have been taught as beliefs, and this ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Some things about Religion i have observed by giordiocies   14 mon  774
     
    Without adhering to any specific Religious system, i am saying this as something that seems compatible with many Religions, because it is such a simple idea, like the ’golden rule’ (Confucianism and Christianity) that it is like the things many Religions say, so that it could help anyone without placing a specific conversion on someone (that is for them to decide, or the Deitie(s)). I used my Reason to understand this because i think Religion and Common Sense can and should work side by side. This info i was told by nothing and no one, i figured it out. ... ... INTRO: Somehow, many of the ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Homeopathy is Occult & Satanic ? by #140908   19 mon  985  CureZone Experts Deb / Questionin / Quackery D / 4
     
    What do you think? ... ... http://landtimforgot.blogspot.com/2010/01/satan-and-homeopathy.html ...   [End]
  • Steve Martin: Atheists Don't Have No Songs by refreshed   28 mon  2,115
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWA1A9XFi8   [End]
  • Tribe of Many Colors or Tribe of Many Dollars? by OrbitalSponge   28 mon  1,957
     
    Tribe of Many Colors or Tribe of Many Dollars? ... By Dr. Al Carroll ... ... Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. ...Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her. ... ... From Santa Fe to Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands, and soon to that most “Ameri ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by #74625   30 mon  1,693
     
    Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Many people just don’t know. You should visit http://www.nowsthetime.org ... ... ... ... We often go through life wondering why we are here on this earth. We want to feel like our lives have meaning and purpose. I can think of a lot of reasons people loose hope and give up. Millions of people are sick, tired, depressed, obsessed and they want to feel peace and joy. I don’t know everything and I am not here to pretend I do. I can share with you a site that has helped many get the answers to questions that concern the afterlife and finding purpose in this life. ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by spudlydoo   30 mon  1,500
       
      No heaven and hell are not real. The website you posted is just more christian propaganda. No answers there, just more made up nonsense, more stories created by man, to control others. ... ... If you want peace, joy , happiness and contentment, get rid of all man made belief systems, doctrines, dogmas and religions, then you will be truly free. ... ... spud   [End]
    • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by InnerCalm   30 mon  1,542
       
      Heaven and hell are terms for states of consciousness. Many believe these4 are literal places but they are not. The church used this as a scare tactic and a reward tactic to keep the masses in line and to keep their power. ... ... Some people believe in werewolves and vampires too. ;-)   [End]
    • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by #74625   30 mon  1,626
       
      It is so easy to be cocky and arrogant now, that is why there are so many unbelievers. Once you die and see for yourself the reality of Heaven and Hell may will ashamed because they arrogantly didn’t believe. ... ... In the After life all those in Heaven or Hell will see that God is Real. Jesus, Angels, Heaven and Hell are not imaginary, they are as real as you or I. ... ... ... 1 John 2:28 And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming. ... ... You only get one life to live on Earth, so be wise before you foolishly say that God ...   [retrieve this message]
      • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by spudlydoo   30 mon  1,456
         
        That is simply your belief. I feel sorry for you that you live in fear. When one breaks out of the cycle of fear, guilt and separation, that the various religions use to control people, one is free of the fear, guilt and separation. ... ... spud   [End]
      • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by InnerCalm   30 mon  1,536
         
        Once you die and see for yourself the reality of consciousness many will laugh because they wasted there life in fear while trapped in a false and narrow belief system. ... ... Perhaps another go or maybe onto a new game.   [End]
      • not real by ginab4u   30 mon  1,487
         
        "Jesus, Angels, Heaven and Hell are not imaginary, they are as real as you or I."  True. It’s all an illusion. ... ... ... " Heaven is not a place nor a condition. It is merely an awareness of perfect Oneness, and the knowledge that there is nothing else; nothing outside this Oneness, and nothing else within" (T.18.VI.1). ... ... Leap! ... ... www.youtube.com/watch ... ...   ...   [End]
    • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by AustinM   30 mon  1,514
       
      Definitely Heaven and Hell are real. The only problem is the perceptions that people have that make them sound unreal and confusing. There are those who are happy with simple answers and those who will devle more deeply into this subject. Of course we do not really know what heaven and hell could be like and so all that we can perceive know now is mostly from the perceptions of past thinkers and writers. Definitely the New Testament bible is the best resource for a better understanding. ...   [End]
      • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by InnerCalm   30 mon  1,474
         
        ”Definitely the New Testament bible is the best resource for a better understanding.” ... ... The best place to learn about fantasy is from a fantasy book. ... ... The bible is the perfect fantasy book for the fantasy of heaven and hell.   [End]
        • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by AustinM   30 mon  1,470
           
          Its no worse than your fantasy belief system. Do you have a main written source for your fantasy belief system?   [End]
          • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by InnerCalm   30 mon  1,530
             
            The bible is on par with Mother Goose. I favor the goose. ... ... Infinite potential is self evident and experiential and what those two words indicate does not need a book of fairy tales top flesh it out. ;-)   [End]
            • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by AustinM   30 mon  1,505
               
              So I assume then from what you are saying is that you were born with all inherent knowlegde known and that you have never read any influential books or listened to any influential speakers ever have you? Are you implying that no one is is responsible for creating your fantasy belief system because you were born with it and you will die with it?   [End]
              • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by InnerCalm   30 mon  1,821
                 
                I came upon it with inner examination. I then looked around and noticed others have come upon it too. Unlike having to be indoctrinated into a belief system like the cult of christianity. ... ... I realized that like every other living thing, I didn’t need to be saved, etc. All that is a story to create a power play. ... Pretty obvious when one is outside the cult. ;-)   [End]
    • Re: Is Heaven Real? Is Hell Real? Let's talk about it! by kushy   30 days  114
       
      In my child hood when ever I do wrong or bad things my mother is to tell that God is there and he counts the mistake of everyone and at the end if we are good he takes us with him(heaven) and if we are bad we will be sent to hell. ... ... But now I thought that parents for guiding their child into right path suggest some moral stories and good things. ... ... ...   [End]
  • Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by #107734   32 mon  1,662  Religion Debate / Christiani
     
    ... Are we surprised? ... 07:18 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 ... ... By SAM HODGES / The Dallas Morning News ... samhodges@dallasnews.com ... If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist. ... ... A new survey of Americans shows that atheists and agnostics rank with Jews and Mormons as the top-performing groups in religious knowledge. ... ... The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life posed 32 basic religious questions and found that atheists and agnostics answered, on average, 20.9 correctly. Jews were right on 20.5, and Mormons on 20.3. ... ... The survey found atheists and agn ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by RyanD   32 mon  1,611
       
      ... It figures twiki would find this credible ,garbage from the scandalous PEW foundation with it’s liberal fascist agenda is right up to her speed! ... This quiz is not about Christian or biblical knowledge but simple minded factoids and trivia ala the boob tubes alex trebec that the liberals are good at yet real knowledge escapes them! ... This is the mentality of the liberal and the fear that Ray Bradbury predicted in his book Fahrenheit 451 that TV would eliminate books and real knowledge! How prophetic ,he must have known twiki! ... ... ... “Television gives you the dates of Napoleon, but not who ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by #4256   32 mon  1,597
       
      I’d be interested to know what those 32 basic questions were.   [End]
      • Re: Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by RyanD   32 mon  1,561
         
        The PEWs make this a chore even finding the quiz and the sample quiz they give only offers 15 of the question in a very retarded and tedious fashion ,its as if they really don’t want to show the quiz now that they have made their assessment! But the PEW foundation is known for its ... corruption and deceit! A liberal leftist organization whose goal is really to prophet from and discredit Christianity! ... ... The questions are trivial factoids, that really don’t challenge real biblical or religious knowledge! ... ... ... http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/index.php   [End]
        • Re: Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by #69302   21 mon  991
           
          Thank you for posting the quiz. I took it and received an 87%, better than all cohorts. I will consider this as verification as my personal syncretic blend of religion, which has found some inspiration in various traditions (as well as within science), but ultimately relies on a personal relationship with the Divine.   [End]
    • Re: Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by InCharge   32 mon  1,521
       
      Twiki, why don’t you post that on a religious forum where it belongs? ...   [End]
    • Re: Agnostics, atheists, Jews, Mormons score highest on religon by robertwriter   21 mon  1,110
       
      That is just awesome. Agnostics, first of all, are obsessed with religion (At least I am). I think it makes perfect sense that they would score better, because people who are less informed have more reason not to doubt their beliefs, but in my position I want to know everything, and the Bible just has too many holes in it. I know this, because I know a lot about it. I study what I believe, because I have to go against my own self-preservation to renounce the Bible. But for Christians it’s easier. Don’t know more than you have to, and you don’t have to find out that there is a possibility o ...   [retrieve this message]
  • ACIM Master Index by ginab4u   3 year  1,011
     
    There is no reality, this is just a dream we’re imagining, and you never left God.  ... ...   www.facimoutreach.org/qa/indextoquestions.htm ...   [End]
  • 21 facts everyone should know about Mormon teaching by #74625   3 year  1,605
     
    Mormonism is not a Christian Faith by no means - don’t be deceived. ... ... ... 21 Amazing facts about Mormon teaching: ... ... 1. Mormon’s teach that they can become gods and goddesses. ... ... 2. Mormon goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband. ... ... 3. Mormon’s teach that women will give birth “forever and ever” to spirit-babies. ... ... 4. Mormon’s teach men can have multiple wives in heaven—eternal polygamy. They intend to have many wives in heaven, carrying on multiple sex relations throughout eternity, until they have enough children to populate their own earth, so they can ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: 21 facts everyone should know about Mormon teaching by InnerCalm   3 year  1,654
       
      While you;re at it don’t be deceived by christianity either. ;-)   [End]
    • Re: 21 facts everyone should know about Mormon teaching by Bot   3 year  1,632
       
      Mormons Are New Testament Christians, not Creedal Christians ... ... The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelical pastors of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This post helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity’s theology relating to baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement. ... ... Baptism: ... ... Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family. The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructe ...   [retrieve this message]
  • my video on religion by Hopeisalive   3 year  965
     
    this by no means meant to force my opinion on others. That is not my intention. I made a video on organized religion. ... ... http://www.youtube.com/user/Ronpaulmybestmentor#p/u/2/YEI6va-bblw   [End]
  • Some say they've been eyewitnesses to Heaven and Hell by #74625   3 year  819
     
    Please post this article in your online publication: ... ... ... ... Is Heaven and Hell real? ... ... Some say they have been eyewitnesses to the reality of Heaven and Hell. ... ... ... Nowsthetime.org is a nonprofit evangelistic website that was founded in 2002 by Pastor D L Dunning. This website features streaming audio and video testimonies from people who say they have been eyewitnesses to Heaven and Hell. Many people today have questions about this life and also what comes after life on earth. Nowsthetime.org features answers to these types of questions and scriptures from the Bible that talk about th ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Image Embedded ***Are You A Believer?*** /45 1 by refreshed   3 year  3,165  Christianity Debate / End Times / Politics D / 4 / 5 / 6
     
    http://www.curezone.com/upload/Members/new03/Are_you_a_Believer_2010_05_16.jpg ... http://www.curezone.com/upload/Members/new03/Are_you_a_Believer_2010_05_16_Page_2.jpg   [End]
    • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?2 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,968
       
      Have you taken up the job of spreading this stuff now refreshed? ... ... spud   [End]
      • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?3 by mo123   3 year  2,902
         
        Geez I agree. Totally unnecessary.   [End]
        • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?4 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,851
           
          It seems that even when moreless/monkeytime gets banned, his lapdogs take up the cause. Posting his hysterical rantings all over CZ. Sad. ... ... spud   [End]
          • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?5 by mo123   3 year  2,750
             
            Hi Spud: ... ... I agree. I open up the forums and I see a gazillion post. This is spam and if anyone else did this they would be banned. Once or twice is enough. I alerted the webmaster so hopefully he will delete most of them. ... ... Is this a health forum or a Christian Forum. The webbie told me once he did not want to open up the mosaics and see nothing but Islam, ok I want the same thing then also. ... ... Geez, get a life refreshed.   [End]
            • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?6 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,637
               
              Hey Sara, thanks for alerting the webmaster, I’ve also seen this spam post all over CZ. This forum is a christian debate forum, so debating christianity is fine within this forum, but spamming is just spamming. Moreless/monkey time has been banned from several forums on CZ, as far as I know, for his bad behaviour, and refreshed has taken on the role of posting his rubbish now, by the looks of things. Or perhaps moreless is too cowardly to do it himself. I don’t know. ... ... spud   [End]
              • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?7 by AustinM   3 year  2,830
                 
                If it was up to me, I would not allow any ANTI-CHRISTIANS to control this forum in any way. What gives you the right to decide who is a spammer or not. You seemed to soo gleefully support the anti-christian spam spewed out by the likes of IC and he was on here for months on end (Where is he now, banned I truly hope!) And now something so minor compared to what IC posted, and already you want to ban the first post.   [End]
                • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?8 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,657
                   
                  Its just as well that you don’t run this forum AustinM, or it would be a very boring place indeed. If you had bothered to look, you would have seen that refreshed has posted this message all over CZ, that is spamming. I do not want to ban anyone or any posts, but there are rules against spamming, which everyone has to abide by. ... ... I’m not a moderator, or a webmaster, but these people have been alerted to this spamming. Its up to them if they want to move the post or leave it where it is, not me, or you, for that matter. ... ... As for your false accusations, as I’ve asked before, and you have n ...   [retrieve this message]
                  • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?9 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,562
                     
                    ”As for your false accusations, as I’ve asked before, and you have not answered, if you are going to make accusations of my supporting spam, put up your evidence.” ... ... As far as the message goes I found it to be kind of funny, it really reminded me of the silly messages that IC posts and you back up with affirming comments. The message was relevant to this forum, by its very content.   [End]
                    • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?10 by The Hunter   3 year  2,656
                       
                      [[[The message was relevant to this forum, by its very content.]]] ... ... One must question your naivety my friend. ... ... You must check out the nature of this message that you say is ”relevant” and it’s authors before you make comment. ... ... bewnyfur you judge too quickly, do your homework because you appear to be trolling. ... ... ...   [End]
                      • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?11 by AustinM   3 year  2,671
                         
                        Name calling is the last thing I want to do, but what do you call a person who complains about one poster, but the absolute same situation from another poster does not complain at all? Would you say 2-faced would fit? And also bigotted too? I definitely think so. ... ... Why is the Christian debate forum hijacked and controlled by Anti-Christians who always get their way when complaining to the webmaster? Why does the webmaster support this Anti-Christian behaviour? Its begs to question. ... ... It seems Spudly only complains when she sees fit. When the exact same actions are performed by ot ...   [retrieve this message]
                        • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?12 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,652
                           
                          Where, AustinM, have I supported spamming, where is your evidence? Your always full of accusations but never show any evidence to back your claims. Put up or shut up!!! ... ... I do complain when I see fit, but as I am not a moderator or the webmaster, I leave it to them to do what they see fit in whatever situation. I will however bring an incident to their attention if I feel like it, just as you can. ... ... ”Yes Spudly I have EVIDENCE!!!” ... ... Then where is it AustinM????? ... ... spud ... ... ...   [End]
                          • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?13 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,708
                             
                            ”Where, AustinM, have I supported spamming, where is your evidence? ” ... ... In the context of this thread all one must do is look for a thread in this forum started by IC and then read the message by Spud that follows and the ”spamming” support is evident.   [End]
                            • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?14 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,635
                               
                              Ahhh trying to jump on the bandwagon again bewnyfur, how about you show where there has been spamming by IC, where he or I, for that matter, have posted the same message in several forums. Then show the support I have supposedly given to these messages. ... ... Or are you a coward and a liar like AustinM, just making up accusations without any evidence? As I said to AustinM, put up or shut up. ... ... spud   [End]
                              • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?15 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,713
                                 
                                Calling me a coward you are...Spam regards the contents of the message, which IC has posted and you have backed up on many an occasion. I leave it to you to figure out your shortcomings. Why don’t you put up or shut up, or are you just going to call me another name or mimmick my responses?   [End]
                                • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?16 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,708
                                   
                                  I was asking you a question bewnyfur, not calling you anything, notice the question mark at the end of that sentence. ... ... lol, still no evidence, you can try and fob it off with your non-answers bewnyfur, but your not fooling anyone. ... ... The webmaster has moved 90% of the original posts from refreshed, because the webmaster considered them as spam. ... ... If you want clarafication on this issue of spam, why don’t you contact the webmaster yourself, that way you don’t have to flounder around trying to find a definition. ... ... spud   [End]
                              • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?17 by #154426   11 mon  2,250
                                 
                                LOL..MONKEY TIME!!!! ... ... ... ... Hi Spud: ... ... ... ... I really liked that symbol. ... ... It seems there are quite a few members here in cure zone that are either teenagers who have too much time on their hands or....lonely individuals who take pleasure in showing everyone how insecure or unintelligent they are, and then, there are those FORUM TROLLS here who feel superior to others and try to show it by blathering out flaming claims and trying to provoke others into conflict. ... ... ... These individuals, of course, are egocentric and bored with their lives, attemtping to find a personal way of entertainment ...   [retrieve this message]
                        • Re:lol oh the irony18 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,666
                           
                          ”Name calling is the last thing I want to do” ... ... ” 2-faced , bigotted, Anti-Christians, spying tattle tale, TROLL .” ... ... lol, all that from just one post. ... ... All that with no evidence to back up the claims!!! ... ... Yep, I’m learning soooo much about christians from this forum. ... ... spud   [End]
                          • Re:lol oh the irony19 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,716
                             
                            What is ironic is the ignorance of your posts, all one need to do is check the past messages.   [End]
                            • Re:lol oh the irony20 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,489
                               
                              I welcome people checking my past messages, just as I would reccommend people checking AustinM’s posts, and yours bewnyfur. Perhaps if people check my past posts they will see that I have repeatedly asked for evidence from AustinM, to back up the accusations the he/she makes, and also see the lack of that evidence. You bewnyfur would know all about that though, as you support these baseless and false accusations almost every time. ... ... BTW, people can check that out by looking at your past posts. ... ... spud   [End]
                        • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime? /45 21 by The Hunter   3 year  2,705
                           
                          Excuse me AustinM, did you send this message? ... ... [[[As far as the message goes I found it to be kind of funny, it really reminded me of the silly messages that IC posts and you back up with affirming comments. The message was relevant to this forum, by its very content.]]] ... ... That statement from bewnyfur was what I replied to, NOT your post my friend. ... Are you and bewnyfur one person? ... ... [[[Who is the TROLL hunter? IMHO you are the one who seems to be trolling.]]] ... ... Well really, how do you work that one out? ... ... In relation to (bewnyfur) I find him/her constantly on Spuds back which to me ...   [retrieve this message]
                          • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?22 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,541
                             
                            ”In relation to (bewnyfur) I find him/her constantly on Spuds back which to me indicates to me that (bewnyfur) ”APPEARS to be trolling”, (read my post) properly.” ... ... Trolling implies that someone is baiting their messages, not responding to distortion. If anyone has been trolling it has been you and IC. ... ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29   [End]
                            • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?23 by The Hunter   3 year  2,428
                               
                              [[[”In relation to (bewnyfur) I find him/her constantly on Spuds back which to me indicates to me that (bewnyfur) ”APPEARS to be trolling”,]]] ... ... Some ”HONING” to do ”bewnyfur” ... ... Word ”APPEARS”, tell me, what does that MEAN? ... ... You pride yourself in being ”pedantic” .... ... ... You tell me ..... ... ... [[[Imagine that the definition of a word as a point. When you want to sharpen a point what do you do... you HONE the point, you make it sharper, you make the point more narrow. When that point has reached its sharpest, that is when it is HONEst. You cannot have a definition that is liquid and sharp ...   [retrieve this message]
                        • Re: Still no evidence AustinM???? n/m25 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,509
                        • Re: Still waiting for that evidence AustinM n/m.26 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,558
                      • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?27 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,568
                         
                        It mentions God in the message. That means it is relevant. Perhaps you should desist your ignorant comments.   [End]
                    • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?33 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,717
                       
                      Bewnyfur, I did not claim that the message was not relevant. The original message was posted in 14 different forums, this is spamming. Whether you agree with the content or not, makes little difference. ... ... IC has not, to my knowledge, ever posted the same message in 14 different forums. I will support messages that I agree with, and have no problem when others do the same, unless the message is spam ,(as the original post in this thread is), or contains a breach of the TOS. ... ... spud   [End]
                      • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?34 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,636
                         
                        Spud, you should mention it on the forums where it is not relevant, not here, because that is irrelevant. Unfortunately we cannot cross post to the debate forums so posting to multiple lists individually is the only recourse. ... ... Were the messages sent indiscriminately?   [End]
                        • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?35 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,695
                           
                          Why, if this message is so relevant, has the original poster not been back to debate the contents? ... ... It doesn’t matter whether you or I see this message as spam or not, its up to the moderators and the webmaster to do with it what they see fit. If the mods and webmaster see fit to leave the message, than thats the way it is. It doesn’t stop anyone from having an opinion about it though. ... ... The original message shows me that monkeytime/moreless still controls many of his minions even when he has been banned himself, that is very interesting from a psychological viewpoint. As is much of wh ...   [retrieve this message]
                • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?36 by mo123   3 year  2,742
                   
                  The software at curezone is set to ban anyone who post two consecutive post. That is considered spamming. When refreshed post numerous post all over curezone that is considered spamming. ... ... Chose a forum and post your rhetoric and praise the lord for her mercy and forgiveness, but we at curezone have a right and demand a right to be healed of disease, ailments and pain. When the person in pain cannot find any post except spam post it looks bad for curezone and the moderators. ... ... I guarantee you if I was the mod of this forum, I would of deleted the post based on it being a spam. If she ...   [retrieve this message]
                • Re: Are you spamming for moreless/monkeytime?37 by bewnyfur   3 year  2,537
                   
                  Good call Austin, It is the good ole double standard.   [End]
    • Re: ***Are You A Believer?***38 by Nilz   3 year  2,720
       
      Thank you refreshed for having the courage to post this. American family values have been under attack here at Curezone and across America and passed off as politically correct dogma for too long. Liberal hegemony and their hate filled rhetoric need to be challenged and not censored as is suggested by these liberal gatekeepers here at Curezone. I hope the webmaster is not swayed by those who have made it their daily goal to spread their hate for Christians and Christian values who have had the freedom to do so give those who oppose them a chance to be heard also. ... I think you speak for a ...   [retrieve this message]
      • Re:39 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,768
         
        Where are these posts showing that the non-christians here hate christians? I see a lot of hate filled posts from the christians here, but none from the non-christians. People who oppose your views have every right to post in this forum, just as you do. (It is a debate forum after all) The people that control this forum are the moderator and the webmaster, not the people, non-christian or christian, who post here. If people feel intimidated by an opposing view, then they probably shouldn’t be in a debate forum at all. There are support forums for those who share the same views. ... ... As for ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: ***Are You A Believer?***40 by The Hunter   3 year  2,725
       
      Tut, tut, Refreshed, this forum is called ”Christianity Debate Forum”. Your post is in the wrong forum, kindly desist from using it as a ”political platform” or any form of your choosing.   [End]
      • Debate Forum??41 by mu-shen   3 year  2,915
         
        I´m very seldom on the Christian Forums (Debate & Support)....but find it ”interesting” to look in from the side-lines once in a while. ... IMHO Refreshed has the right to voice his/her opinion on any Forum she thinks fit (whether I or anyone else for that matter agree or not). Since cross-posting is allowed - I don´t see why she cannot do it the other way around as well. ... As far as this is concerned... ”....Moreless/monkey time has been banned from several forums on CZ, as far as I know, for his bad behaviour, and refreshed has taken on the role of posting his rubbish now, by the looks of ...   [retrieve this message]
        • Re: Debate Forum??42 by The Hunter   3 year  2,657
           
          [[[I´m very seldom on the Christian Forums (Debate & Support)....but find it ”interesting” to look in from the side-lines once in a while. ... IMHO Refreshed has the right to voice his/her opinion on any Forum she thinks fit (whether I or anyone else for that matter agree or not). Since cross-posting is allowed - I don´t see why she cannot do it the other way around as well.]]] ... ... Really Mu-shen, so by what you say we can assess that anything goes on any forum, is that correct? ...   [End]
        • Re: Debate Forum??43 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,757
           
          No-one hounded moreless from his forum, his behaviour is what got him banned the first time round, as his behaviour as monkeytime, got him banned the second time round. Wow some people on CZ have very short memories. It is the moderators or webmaster that has the power to ban people, not the people who post here. Most of the time the moderators seem pretty tolerant, but moreless/monkeytime’s behaviour was too bad to tolerate, obviously, or he would be still here causing trouble. Or perhaps he has refreshed doing his dirty work now. ... ... Refreshed has the right to post her opinion, just like ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Separation of church and state.44 by spudlydoo   3 year  2,782
       
      http://www.theocracywatch.org/separation_church_state2.htm ... ... spud   [End]
    • Re: ***Are You A Believer?***45 by lorri32   18 mon  2,563
       
      Yes in JESUS not country.   [End]
  • 1st Commandment by #68716   3 year  1,479
     
    ”Thou shalt not have any other gods before me”, more or less something along those lines. ... ... OK, so allegedly its the word of god talking, and referring to other ”gods” in the plural. ... ... So, here you have ”god” admitting the existence of other gods. ... ... That poses a little neurosis for people believing on ”one true god”, since here you have ”god” admitting the existence of other gods”. Maybe that’s why them folk act so neurotic. ... ... If in the first commandment, ”god” had meant to say ”graven images” or ”golden calves” or the internet, it would have been stated so - but ”god” clearly wrote ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: 1st Commandment by #38782   3 year  1,394
       
      Why is it that when some people start ”discussing God” they just cannot think in an abstract manner? ... Physics, Math and a lot of other subjects demand an abstraction in order to understand any theory or concept.... so why is it that some people take the explanation of an extremely complex Abstraction so LITERALLY??? ... The way some other people may ”understand” the God concept is going mostly with their intuition since understanding is something one is only capable of doing with the mind. In that sense, IMHO, ”any other Gods” may have been ... a) simplified... i.e. the translation, so that m ...   [retrieve this message]
      • Re: 1st Commandment by #68716   3 year  1,884
         
        If there is only one true god, then why would that ”one true god” need to even write any first commandment , let alone a ”commandment” that mentions other gods in the plural ? ...   [End]
  • Video Embedded Bill Hicks on fundamentalist Christians by Eric B   3 year  2,708  Evolution Debate / Religion D
     
    Bill Hicks on fundamentalist Christians ... ... Comedy: ...   [End]
    • Re: Bill Hicks on fundamentalist Christians by geni1   3 year  2,652
       
      fundamentalist Christians built this country :-)   [End]
      • Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,633
         
        Actually they didn’t. Do some research. Fundamentalists burned witches. ... ... ... Feast your eyes. ;-) ... ... http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#Jefferson ... http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#franklin ... http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#Adams ... http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#paine ... http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#washington   [End]
        • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by geni1   3 year  2,650
           
          Please. Nobody can possibly believe that Christians werent involved in creating this country. They etched it on EVERYTHING.   [End]
          • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,550
             
            Christians paint their beliefs over top of generic statements. Actually most of the forefathers were masons if you really want a shock. ... ... Don;t take my word for it. Look into it. I did.   [End]
            • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by geni1   3 year  2,556
               
              Christians paint their beliefs over top of generic statements. Christians paint their beliefs over top of generic statements. ... ... ... So what your saying is the founding fathers werent really christians during the forming of the US, then Christians put their stuff in later?   [End]
              • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,575
                 
                What I am suggesting may have happened is that christians have taken spiritual comments and assumed they were christian. Look into it. They are not at all. The ones few that were were gnostic christians. Most were masons. Back in that time period many people were masons. It was quite common. ... ... Here’s a bit of reading on the topic. There is a sea of info on google about this. ... ... ... http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html   [End]
              • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by spudlydoo   3 year  2,518
                 
                Actually, there were people in America before it was called America, they built their own societies and managed very well. You seem to have forgotten that christians, or anyone else that came later, weren’t the first people in America. ... ... spud   [End]
                • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,537
                   
                  There’s that aspect too. Those ”savages” that either the jesuits and others indoctrinated. The ones that escaped bio warfare (small pox in blankets given as gifts). ... ... ... I have a christian friend that still believes that nativ Americans worship the devil. I tried to tell him that they are more spiritually in tune than christians. He didn’t like that too much. ... ... Native Americans lived in harmony with the land. Most christians rape, pillage and plunder resources. Who is more connected to spirit? ;-)   [End]
                  • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by geni1   3 year  2,735
                     
                    What I am suggesting may have happened is that christians have taken spiritual comments and assumed they were christian. What I am suggesting may have happened is that christians have taken spiritual comments and assumed they were christian. ... ... Im having problems believing this. ... ... ... ... http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:b4tIUCSE4LMJ:www.aproundtable.org/tps30info/beliefs.html+founding+fathers+religious+beliefs&cd=17&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ... ... ... ...   [End]
                    • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,712
                       
                      This is where we need to cross reference and know who and where the quotes are coming from and what agendas may exist. ... ... ... http://www.bigissueground.com/atheistground/peters-misquotes.shtml   [End]
                      • Some quotes by InnerCalm   3 year  2,582
                         
                        Famous Quotes From Our Forefathers ... Jul 8, 2009 9:50 AM ... ... * Report Abuse ... ... The Christian God is a being of terrific character- cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust ... ... -Thomas Jefferson ... ... To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say there are nothing, or that there is no soul, no angels, no god. I cannot reason otherwise...I am satisfied, sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which we have no evidence ... ... -Thomas J ...   [retrieve this message]
                      • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by traderdrew   3 year  2,660
                         
                        I don’t know nor have I ever claimed the founding fathers were Christians because I simply have not done any real research into it.  I will tell you one thing, George Washington and Samuel Adams were not atheists.  Just look at their acceptance speeches when they became the first and second Presidents of the United States. ...   [End]
                        • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,494
                           
                          I agree they weren’t athiests. They held deist views more akin to new agers or gnsotic christians. Very masonic as well. ... ... It is interesting to see what was said to whom in waht letters and how they had to be diplomatic in some cases, then aired it up in others.   [End]
                    • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by spudlydoo   3 year  2,537
                       
                      All those quotes are great examples of how christians can believe one way, and act in a contradictory manner. ... ... I wonder how they justified their beliefs along with their treatment of the native Americans. ... ... spud ...   [End]
                      • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by InnerCalm   3 year  2,580
                         
                        Not to mention their slaves. ;-) ... ... Ah but wait that was condoned by the god of the christian side hug. ;-) ... ... Some of the forefathers can be seen quoting out of both sides of their mouths depending on who was listening. Also christian agenda historians have been noted to falsely attribute christian quotes to these forefathers (rewriting history to further the cause). Historians though (that don;t have a christian agenda) will agree that they were not christian. They were masonic.   [End]
                      • A Terrible, Awful Thing Has Occurred by InnerCalm   3 year  2,603
                         
                        Now there are two forums questioning the coherency of christianbity among other things. ... ... How can we allow this to happen? Phone all fellow christians. We must run interference on this before it gets out of hand. Satan is winning. Be on the alert christian soldiers. ... ... ... Oh wait a minute. I am not christian. ... ... Whew. ... ... I can relax. I had myself in a tizzy there for a moment.   [End]
                      • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by geni1   3 year  2,591
                         
                        All those quotes are great examples of how christians can believe one way, and act in a contradictory manner. All those quotes are great examples of how christians can believe one way, and act in a contradictory manner. ... ... I hate to burst your bubble but its always been that way. If i wrote the Bible i would of left out when David slept with one of his soldiers wives and got her pregnant and then killed the soldier. God paid David back for that dearly. But Spud thats the way it is. You wont EVER find a perfect Christian. You wont find a perfect anybody. When a person becomes a Christian t ...   [retrieve this message]
                        • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by spudlydoo   3 year  2,550
                           
                          Apparently god is supposed to be perfect, and the bible is supposed to be the word of god, in fact the word apparently is god. So I hate to burst your bubble, but if god is perfect and the bible is perfect, why does it contain so many contradictions and incongruencies?? ... ... Christians on the other hand are humans, and humans have failings, they are not perfect, and I have never been under the illusion that they are perfect. What I had pointed out is that the quotes are examples of hypocricy, and inconsistancy between belief and behaviour. ... ... spud   [End]
                          • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by traderdrew   3 year  2,572
                             
                             but if god is perfect and the bible is perfect, why does it contain so many contradictions and incongruencies?? ... ... That question about the bible is something that made me wonder for years.  I have not studied every little contradiction atheists have pointed out.  I do remember InnerCalm posting the list of contradictions from that site and I think it was run by atheist(s)?  I think it was the first one I read where I saw it could have been construed as a contradiction but I knew it wasn’t.  I didn’t bother to read further because after debating many people on the ...   [retrieve this message]
                            • Re: Forefathers were NOT xtian by spudlydoo   3 year  2,568
                               
                              This is very true Traderdrew, we also come fully loaded with cultural filters as well, my partner and I own a backpacker hostel, we see people from all over the world every day, and the cultural differences between different countries are immense. ... ... Every language has words that do not translate well into other languages. This is where I find problems with the bible (I have read the greek and hebrew versions as well as the english), the differences in translation, and therefore meaning, in the different versions, is vast. I don’t see how this book could possibly be taken as the ’word’ of ...   [retrieve this message]
      • "Christians built this country :-)" by #108005   3 year  2,608
         
        ... These people hate this country, this means nothing to them. ... ... Just something else to point fingers at! The victim mentality ya know!   [End]
  • Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by #2040   3 year  1,699  Christianity Debate / Religion D / Belief Sys
     
    The monotheistic Hebrews were intermingled with middle eastern populations after fleeing northern India’s massive earthquakes and the Arya/n invasion and plundering that brought polytheism, now Hinduism, to India. Ancient cultures were monotheistic, with Egypt’s Ptah, and China’s Shang Ti being typical exemplars. Overthrowing landmarks, i.e., taking land, was common in the cannibal polytheists of the ”patriarchal revolution” of men centering in gang-like lodges and longhouses and turning sacred women into temple prostitutes and killing their children. ... ... Overthrowing landmarks was a viola ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by The Hunter   3 year  1,654
       
      It takes 26 minutes to read my last ’post’, it took you 10, ... SPEED READING? or running another story to counteract?   [End]
      • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by AustinM   3 year  1,659
         
        Yes there are plenty who want to spread lies about Jesus, many who claim to be Jesus, many who claim be so and so much, and this has happened since his message first spread throughout the world, and his message spread rapidly after his death and ascencion, throughout Europe, Asia, and Africa. There were those back then just as there are today, who saw how powerful and well received his message was and distorted it for their own profiteering or other foolish reasons. Yet the truth of Jesus remains; many distant Christian cultures who were divided for centuries and were reunited later were ...   [retrieve this message]
        • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by spudlydoo   3 year  1,635
           
          Having an alternative view, or simply not being a christian, is not spreading lies about jesus. I see christians playing the persecution card constantly, when in fact it is they who are often the ones persecuting others for their beliefs, or non-belief. ... ... Christianity has no more historical validity than any other religion in the world, less than a lot of others in fact. All religions are limiting belief systems, that seek salvation outside of the self. They are empires that will grow and fall as all empires do, corruption and greed and the desire for more and more power and control, wil ...   [retrieve this message]
          • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by InnerCalm   3 year  1,652
             
            If it wasn’ for the gullible herd, these religions would have nothing to feed off of. Fear is mostly their tuition.   [End]
            • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by spudlydoo   3 year  1,729
               
              Fear , guilt, persecution complex, and self rightousness, a potent mix, favoured by a lot of religious belief systems. Two of the greatest fears of humanity are the fear of death and the fear of being alone, religion seeks to play on both of these fears, if you join a religion, you are convinced that you will live on after death, (only if you believe and follow), and as long as you follow the belief system you will never be alone. ... ... A triumph of psychological manipulation. ... ... spud   [End]
              • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by AustinM   3 year  1,683
                 
                Well from what I see this is the CHRISTIAN forum and not the JESUS forum. If you want to be happy to join the spreaders of lies about Jesus thats your foolish choice. As a Christian forum, there is only one Truth, it can not be changed to suit the whims of the foolish just so the feel better. The only ones who spread fear and lies are the Anti-Christians like yourself, those who lie about Jesus and read and follow the false prophets. You choose what you want to believe, and if you choose to be led astray with lies and deceptions, that is your sad choice. Those against Jesus and his mi ...   [retrieve this message]
                • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by spudlydoo   3 year  1,512
                   
                  If you look at the top of the page, this is the christianity ’debate’ forum, not the christianity support forum, so differing points of view are entirely valid. ... ... ”The only ones who spread fear and lies are the Anti-Christians like yourself, those who lie about Jesus and read and follow the false prophets.” ... ... I am not an anti-christian, I just don’t believe in your jesus or god belief system. I do not follow any prophets, false or otherwise, I don’t follow any belief system, or adhere to any religious belief systems. ... ... ... ”Who ever is your motivator for spreading lies about Jesus and Ch ...   [retrieve this message]
        • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by The Hunter   3 year  1,681
           
          You are typical of those with closed minds, if you wish to believe in the resurrection that’s your belief. ... If I wish to believe in resuscitation you cannot deny me my beliefs. ... ... Arrogance is your foundation, mine is the truth as I see it thus far. ... ... I see Jesus as a person perhaps the same as you do, but when material is discarded such as the Gnostic Books portray then there is something terribly wrong. ... ... Canonizing articles to substantiate their importance doesn’t wash with the people in the street for they that carried out this action are the liars that you speak of not the reader. ... ...   [retrieve this message]
          • Image Embedded Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by InnerCalm   3 year  1,718
             
            He believes in resurrection. You believe in resuscitation I don;t believe in Jesus Christ. I just believe in me. ;-) ... ... Ever hear that song? That Lennon guy was a good lyricist. ... ... Anyway pass the cookies. ... ... ... ...   [End]
            • Video Embedded Re: Mr. Pastry elucidating. by The Hunter   3 year  1,672
            • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by The Hunter   3 year  1,637
               
              Take away God would you then say Jesus did not exist? ... This is not an ulteria motive question, I ask because I’ve always wondered what the world would be without a God mind-set that is in many peoples. ... ... ...   [End]
              • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by spudlydoo   3 year  1,633
                 
                I have often wondered the same thing Hunter. I have found my own life to be much the better and free, from letting go of all belief systems, particularly the religious ones. ... ... What do you think the world would be like? ... ... spud   [End]
                • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by The Hunter   3 year  1,643
                   
                  Short answer, happier and free, the same as you Spud. ... I thought seriously about this just this morning, and I would really like to enlarge on this for it will be a huge, huge change, a revolution, I’d love to be part of that for I’ve had enough of the status quo.   [End]
                  • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by spudlydoo   3 year  1,587
                     
                    Being free of limiting belief systems opens up so many possibilities. Its like letting your mind, body and soul out of a prison, that you built for yourself :) Its nice to know your sharing the journey. ... ... spud   [End]
                    • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by The Hunter   3 year  1,632
                       
                      Don’t tell anyone, tunnel finished last night, I could do with some of your sushine, just a bit chilly here, freedom at any cost, lol.   [End]
                      • Re: Monotheism in all ancient cultures. by spudlydoo   3 year  1,631
                         
                        You can have all the sunshine you like, and you can certainly have some heat, we’ve enough to spare for sure. ... I sent out to the universe an intention for rain, and we had a little bit today, it was wonderful, first in nearly 4 months :) ... ... I’m off to bed now, see you tommorow perhaps, ... ... spud   [End]
  • links christianity & Islam by ahmedmoait   3 year  912
     
    The wonderful links presented will give you a beautiful look into Islam and the History of the Qur’an, recommended by Da’ee Ahmed Moait http://www.noora1.com/update_knowledge.htm ... ... ... ... History & Beliefs of Islamic Religion. Quran / Koran, Mohammed Quotes ... ... http://www.spaceandmotion.com/religion-islam-muslim-islamic-quran.htm ... ... ... Brief History of Compilation of the Qur’an ... ... http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/compilationbrief.html ... ... ... Islam and Islamic History in Arabia and The Middle East ... ... http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/ihame/Ref1.htm ... ... ... A Brief Illustrated Gui ...   [retrieve this message]
  • Geert Wilders warns of the Islamisation of Europe and USA by peggyaus   4 year  1,350
     
    ... Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI ... ... Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX1qpCtlh8&feature=related   [End]
  • jesus is lord!!!!!! by scolli   4 year  946
     
    period. no exceptions. everybody has the right to think and have their own oppiniion but i know! that jesus christ is the 1 and only savior and we all need 2 recognize! i love u jesus!   [End]
  • Proof for an Intelligent Creator of the universe. by andersbranderud   4 year  1,642
     
    I hope you will find this text interesting. ... According to science our universe has a beginning (search at “age of the universe” on ”Pnas” (scientific journal)) and time is purely physical. Therefore there can be no such thing as time external to the physical universe. Timespace has a beginning. ... ... It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause. ... The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo (since timespace has a beginning); i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of ...   [retrieve this message]
    • Re: Proof for an Intelligent Creator of the universe. by spudlydoo   4 year  1,525
       
      There is no proof in this statement, just more theory, I do wish people would learn the difference between those two words. This is theory that has been disscussed ad nauseum, and there is still nothing proven. Just as the big bang idea is theory, so intelligent design , or an intelligent creator ,is theory. ... ... Please make sure you state that you are putting forward theory, because to say that you are putting forward proof is missleading and false. ... ... spud   [End]
  • 6 Christian women convert to Islam by peggyaus   4 year  871
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ82UimmJY8&feature=related   [End]
  • The arrogance of clergy by peggyaus   4 year  1,599
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlYN5KCiWg&feature=player_embedded   [End]
  • Christopher Hitchens is in Sydney for the Festival of Dangerous Ideas by peggyaus   4 year  1,074
     
    Listen to a great interview here with Christopher Hitchens: http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2009/10/christopher-hitchens.html ...   [End]
  • Why do you believe in God by azureus1234   4 year  813
     
    Hi everyone, we would be very interested in the reasons why you believe in God. If you have time, kindly fill this survey up at ... http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=wiazwmrffvuxxnx647075 ... Your responses will be very much appreciated.   [End]
  • The "INNER SENSE" is only for an inner temple. by been there done that   4 year  786
     
    The ”inner sense” (”anointing”,...Godly common sense) will teach us the REAL truth about God (”DEPTHS of God”, 1 Corinthians 2:10). The trouble is that humanity never preferred the objective truth about anything (humanity’s preference is for SUBJECTIVE truth...biased/chosen truth). ... ... There was no actual/true OBJECTIVE reason that Jesus should have been sentenced to crucifixion (officially declared INNOCENT by Pilate and Caesar), but since the people rioted and insisted that Barrabas be set free, Jesus was officially given the death sentence (Jesus died because of that SUBJECTIVITY). ... ... I ...   [retrieve this message]
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