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Liver Cleansing Debate, Questioning Liver & Gallbladder Flush

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liver flush by raph08 25 days 263

i have a low functioning gallballder at 15% with no stones in ultrasound do you think am going to be okay? I think if i do some flushes i can get it to function again i hope i have god on my side [End]

Liver flush by #169392 72 days 576

is it ok to use this method to infant who have biliary atresia wherein the bile duct is blocked? [End]
I put a stone in the oven. by #31815 5 mon 823

And it melted to oil. ... ... Not sure what to make of this. [End]
- Re: I put a stone in the oven. by GlindaTheGoodWitch 31 days 149
  
  It melted back into soluble bile. Cold temperatures will solidify bile into wax. [End]
  - Re: I put a sample from my stool in the oven. by grassman 31 days 170
    
    The proper way to test a stool sample is not in your oven. ... ... To guess as to its chemical make up would be silly. ... ... Now that`s science at work zone style. [End]

Naysayers...

by #31815 5 mon 1,182

I was googling to find some answers to my questions above, and I found a lot of people trying to disprove the LF. ... ... One said her mom had gotten her gallbladder removed and the stones were grayish and more like stones. ... ... Another said: ”I joined this group just so I could answer your post JoeUK. ... This ’liver flush’ is a complete fake I’m sorry to say. ... It is very believable though, because it is publicised by people who invariably believe in it themselves. ... The Olive Oil, Acid and Bile in your stomach plus the acid in the lemon or grapefruit juice combine to make congealed lumps. ... You migh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Naysayers... by #31815 5 mon 1,011

A lot of people are talking about this particular point of extra virgin olive oil mixing with the citrus... ... ... But I had this weird experience a couple weeks ago where I ate a whole bunch of fat (bacon, avocado, egg, etc) and all that night I had diarrhea and there were stones (green) in it. ... [End]

Re: Naysayers... by #116107 5 mon 864

Better watch out... these liver flush believers will stop at nothing to push their agenda. A VERY educated forum moderator was banned from Curezone because he argued too well with those who believe in this protocol. They turned into rabid wolves that tore him up with juvenile mockings and name calling. Just sayin.... [End]

Re: Naysayers... by fectoid2 5 mon 856

This is a debate forum, so my guess would be that this so called VERY educated forum moderator that was banned, either lost control with childish personal assaults, or was cross posting debates onto support forums. That would warrant banning. There are plenty of convincing arguments against liver flushes that have been posted without people being banned. Supporters are also censored when resorting to childish personal assaults and cursing. ... ... By the way, some of us supporters are VERY educated as well. ... ... I’d be happy to debate this topic, and have done so in the past, in a civil, logical, ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Naysayers... by #155216 5 mon 819

nice bait... ... ... on behalf of ’the liver flushers’: ... ... happy holidays and best of health to you. ... ... [End]

Re: Naysayers... by #155216 5 mon 788

There is your anwer. If you can get stones out with high fat foods then there is no need for you to do liver flushes. Olive oil works better for some people just because it triggers a stronger contraction from the gall bladder. ... ... Just stick with high fat diet and adjust it so that your bile is flowing properly. ... ... [End]

Re: Naysayers... by fectoid2 5 mon 807

Well, I already posted my flush sequence results in the form of quantitative measures related to running pace. This is what I posted in 2002. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=58530 ... ... This along with clearing of my psoriasis and other infections convinced me of the flush benefits. Two years after that post, and after another string of 5 or 6 flushes, I ran my first marathon ever, and qualified for the Boston Marathon by running the entire 26.2 miles at 7:30 minutes per mile. ... ... Regarding the ”green” color of the ”stones”, I substituted Flaxseed Oil for the Extra Virgin Olive Oil on a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Naysayers... by #155216 5 mon 772

Most olive oil is yellow - the bottles are green. ... ... There is no combination of olive oil, hcl acid and epsom salt that can produce soap... period. Go try it, mix up any comination of the above in a bowl and you will never be able to make a stone. ... ... You can make soap out of olive oil and lye, but the amount of lye, if taken internally, would kill you. Some people don’t need to take epsom salts to produce stones, they are only in the ingredient list to maiximize your chances of getting the stones out by relaxing/dilating the bile ducts. ... ... Coagulated bile stones will melt in warm temperatu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Naysayers... by #31815 5 mon 747

Makes sense to me. ... ... The proof for me was that stones came out and I hadn’t even tried flushing! So how can anyone explain that? They were the same green and tan stones that came out all day yesterday when I did flush. ... ... And the stone that melted, the liquid was black!? ... ... [End]

Re: Naysayers... by navsha 33 days 159

Exactly happened to me, it was my second flush.. I tried with fasting and stones were popping out after 2nd or 3rd dose of epsom salt .. along with diarrhea .. I guess ES loosen up the duct and stones (or whatever you want to name them, hard enough to feel during diarrhea) got passage to come out.. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later

by natway 5 mon 1,299

If you’re talking about the green stones floating on top of the water, those are not stones. They are hardened oil globules mixed with bile. That’s why they are floating on top of the water and are green. Stones would sink to the bottom. ... ... I did an oil flush and next morning there were tons of those green globules floating on the surface. I saved one cause it was so big and it melted the next day. More proof it was no stone. ... ... So any time you’re doing an oil flush, you’re going to create more of those green ”stone” globules that are floating on the surface. ... ... Make sure you’re not e ... [retrieve this message]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by hopinso 5 mon 982

ALL gallstones that are not calcified will ”melt” at room temperture. Please stop disrupting this forum with all your non-supportive comments or you will be banned from the Liver SUPPORT Forum. You are free to post on the debate forum. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 919

How am I being disruptive? ... ... These guys are doing endless amounts of oil flushes and wondering why they are getting endless amounts of ”stones,” but are not feeling any better and I’m just giving them a possible reason why. ... ... And can you explain to me how non-calcified gallstones can melt at room temperature, but not melt inside the body where the temperature is much higher on average? ... ... None of these guys mentioned they fished on the bottom of their toilets full of shit for hardened stones. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 900

From Medline: ... ... ”Non-calcified gallstones, on the other hand, differ completely in composition from the calcified ones. Unlike the calcified ones, non-calcified gallstones are made up of large amounts of hardened cholesterol. These gallstones, containing a very high cholesterol percentage in the makeup, are often called the ‘Floating stones’ or ‘Floaters’. These gallstones can be easily dissolved by administering Ursodiol. Calcified gallstones, however, cannot be dissolved using the same medicine. In contrast, they can only be removed surgically by a process called cholecystectomy. Moreov ... [retrieve this message]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 823

Can you please explain to me how these ”stones” melt for a reaction with air and not temperature? ... [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 891

Oxygen feeds the aerobic bacteria picked up in the digestive tract. These bacteria essentially breakdown the composition of the waxy crystalline stone into an aqueous solution. ... ... If you stop the bacterial action by the use of a UV light source or put them in the freezer, the bacteria are either killed or frozen, and the stone will stay in tact. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 896

The green coloration is bilirubin fom bile. i’ve substituted flaxseed oil for olive oil, and the green coloration still dominates. The specific gravity of cholesterol which is the crystalline substance in the soft ”stones” is less than that of water and therefore floats. ... ... The National Institutes for Health define biliary sludge as follows: ... ... ”a mixture of particulate matter and bile that occurs when solutes in bile precipitate. Its composition varies, but cholesterol monohydrate crystals, calcium bilirubinate, and other calcium salts are the most common components.” ... ... Also, the Merck M ... [retrieve this message]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 799

That would be some very swollen gallbladders if all those green floating globules that come out after each of their many many oil flushes are really gallstones. ... [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 784

I don’t have a gallbladder. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 829

Well that seems to support my argument even more, you keep getting these ”gallstones” after every *oil* flush even though you don’t have a gallbladder. ... ... That, or your liver would be really really swollen with all those gallstones in your bile ducts which how could you even be alive with that many gallstones blocking your bile ducts? [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by #155216 5 mon 852

Dear moderator: ... ... This is the same old tired argument about people with no gall bladders producing stones. This does not belong in a support forum. ... ... This has been explained about a thousand times, Natway. If you choose not to educate yourself on the subject, that is your own decision. But it is not your right to be disruptive on a support forum. Remember also you are talking to a person who is now running marathons (fectoid) after curing himself with liver flushes. Your argument is very weak compared to a marathon runner. ... ... Go to the debate forums and stir up this nonsense there. ... ... D ... [retrieve this message]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 803

It dispels your argument. My gallbladder was removed because of high crystalline content in my bile irritating the bile ducts, i.e. sluggish bile, or ”sludge” as it is known in the medical community. It’s a real and recognized medical condition. ... ... The liver produces up to a liter of bile per day. How’s that possible? It must be swollen from being so filled up with bile, right? ... ... The liver is the largest organ in the human body. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 805

The liver doesn’t store bile, that’s what your gallbladder was for. Now bile continually drips from your liver into your duodenum. I’m surprised you didn’t know that. ... ... If all those green globules you see floating on the surface in your toilet after each *oil* flush are actually stones that were stuck in the bile ducts of your liver, your liver wouldn’t have been able to function with the bile ducts being so clogged and you would be dead. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 804

I do know that I have a continuous drip into my duodenum, but the liver is stimulated to produce bile during a meal to refill the reservoir. In my case the reservoir is absent so the bile has to be produced ”on demand”. Normally the bile produced by the liver during a meal would be stored in the gallbladder for the ”next” meal. This is why I have to watch my fat intake so as not to overwhelm my system with undigested fats. ... ... ”The amount of bile produced by the liver during the ingestion of fats, is much greater than what’s produced between meals. ”The flow of bile is lowest during fasti ... [retrieve this message]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 792

Soft ”stones” are medically known to form in the bile ducts. There’s a debate forum if you want to continue to debate the literature. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later

by natway 5 mon 593

Your diet is too high in fat and protein and you are just bombarding your body with even more fat with all those OIL flushes. ... ... Non-processed carbs and natural sugars are your friend, not high fats or proteins. ... ... Check out the following low-fat diets: ... ... 80-10-10 (80% carbs - 10% protein - 10% fat) ... The Starch Solution ... ... It healed my main health problem and I also had a slight rash on one of my arms that went away too. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later R by #155216 5 mon 577

Dear Natway: ... ... Welcome to the liver flush support forum. The main ingredient of the liver flush is olive oil. ... ... If you have a problem with people doing liver flushes, kindly post somewhere else. ... ... [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 485

I don’t have a problem with oil liver flushes per say, but when someone who’s done 26 of them, mostly likely eats too much protein and fat, and complains they are not getting any better, it shouldn’t be any surprise why they aren’t working and could possibly be harming them instead. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by #155216 5 mon 513

Did you read the original post? ... ... Or did you just try to spin it into your own agenda? ... ... He clearly stated that after a number of flushes, his digestion was ostensibly fixed. Why would you want to spin that into a negative? ... ... His problems started again after PARASITE cleansing, not due to meat/fat eating. ... ... I think you need to take a step back and examine your motives instead of projecting your own problems onto everyone else, especially when someone clearly states that the liver flushes worked. ... ... [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by natway 5 mon 512

My own agenda??? ... ... Dude, you seriously need to chill out. [End]

Re: 26 Flushes Later by fectoid2 5 mon 511

Thanks, 155216. ... ... Being a scientist by education and in career, I continue to seek understanding. There’s no question that the Liver Flushes in and of themselves provide a benefit, and the reasons are obvious, but I still wrestle with trying to understand why the benefit is shortlived for some, and what contributes to the state of impaired bile flow to begin with? ... ... I’m really beginning to focus more on the delicate, diverse and very uniquely individual eco-systems that exist within the human digestive tract. the number of legitimate scientific studies that have been conducted related t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Why do some people need endless flushes? by natway 4 mon 489

Carried over from here: ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2020300#i ... ... This person is skeptical like I am about the endless green floating ”stones” that usually happens after every OIL flush. ... ... This is not to say liver flushes don’t work and hard stones don’t pass and sink to the bottom of the toilet. This is just my opinion about the logical explanation that those ”endless” green floating globules that melt at room temperature aren’t stones and my concern is the mistake in not recognizing that will cause people to start doing ”endless flushes” with dangerous amounts of oils over time. [retrieve this message]

Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum

/36 1 by Cargoshorts66 10 mon 1,802

Doesn’t anybody want to argue? C’mon, let’s give it a go! Ready? I’ll get us started: ... ... ”Those squishy green blobs--those are not gallstones or liver stones. Those are balls of oil, bile and cholesterol.” ... ... Okay, your turn. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum2 by parazapper 10 mon 1,791

- Those are balls of oil, bile and cholesterol.” ... ... Agreed, however, upon examination, some of them have small crystalline or chalky cores that contain small gallstone particles. ... ... The real point is, that after more flushes, more real stones appear to be washed out. Stones are not so easy to get out and as a result, in some cases, it is necessary to flush several times in order to really get good results. ... ... It does not cause any harm to do a liver flush, even if you do not have gall stones. Not only can the flush help get out some, or even possibly a lot of gall stones, this cleansing ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum3 by MrCuddly 10 mon 1,559

You’re both full of crap!! There - I said it. [End]
- Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum4 by parazapper 9 mon 1,462
  
  Not me, I just flushed :^) ... ... [End]
  - Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum5 by MrCuddly 9 mon 1,504
    
    Your liver or the toilet? The commode is the only ”flushing” I’m brave enough to try. [End]
    - Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum6 by parazapper 9 mon 1,501
      
      There are some milder gentler cleanses. Seriously, check it out. Having a reasonably clean inside does help keep one healthier. [End]

Establishment of the true anatomy and origin of the stones7 by Idogines 5 mon 691

We can theoretically identify several significant disadvantages of performing the liver flush procedure, if it is really only a placebo that is not in fact cleaning debris logged in our livers as its advocates claim it does. ... ... The disadvantages include: ... ... 1) Epsom salt’s laxative effect is unhealthy for our digestive system, and restoring normal digestion afterwards is a systemic burden ... 2) the process may typically disrupt our sleep and/or our activity schedule - if we are competitive or recreational athletes, for example, we need alter our schedule ... 3) discontinuing a regular dietary ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Establishment of the true anatomy and origin of the stones8 by fectoid2 5 mon 777

I’ve convinced myself that the green coloration has no relationship to the coloration of the olive oil. It has to be bilirubin. I’ve proven this by using flaxseed oil in place of extra virgin olive oil for a liver flush. ... ... http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/hepatic_and_biliary_disorders/gallbladder_and_bile_duct_disorders/overview_of_biliary_function.html ... ... I have no gallbladder. Not because I ever had gallstones, but because I had the symptoms associated with gallstones. A gastroenterologist performed a gastroscopy and stimulated my gallbladder to excrete bile. I was awake through ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum9 by chinlang 9 mon 1,353

They are clearly not oil, bile, and cholesterol. Do you have a degree in wearing green shirts and talking out of the side of your mouth? They are soap stones, created by hydroxide in the intestines reacting with my massive ego. I’m sick of you people doubting me. We need to start handling these debates like adults. I’m right and you’re wrong, Mr. Poopy Pants. ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum10 by parazapper 9 mon 1,383

Yep, I see credentials hanging off the wall, along with green goo. ... ... Regardless, the flushes have worked for me. ... ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum11 by chinlang 9 mon 1,348

Flushes never work. There is no way that drinking oil can cause your gall bladder and liver to empty their contents, dump toxins, and make you feel better. It’s a FACT that the only way to feel better is to buy a medicine made by Pfizer, Merck, Lilly, or GlaxoSmithKline. And by drinking eight glasses of fluoridated water a day. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum12 by Blistering Fate 9 mon 1,352

Hahah [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum13 by parazapper 9 mon 1,347

- only way to feel better is to buy a medicine made by Pfizer, Merck, Lilly, or GlaxoSmithKline. And by drinking eight glasses of fluoridated water a day. ... ... Great humor, but don’t quit your day job :^) ... ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum14 by chinlang 9 mon 1,325

Are you doubting the wisdom of the great General Chin Lang? You are merely a parazapper: a guy standing beside a zapper. What are you doing standing next to that zapper? Is it even on? You are doing the liver flush all wrong. You have to drink oil, not stand next to a zapper. Even if your name was paraoil, that is insufficient. The gall bladder does not have eyes, it can’t see the oil. Let this be a lesson to all of you. This is what can happen when you don’t take Prozac, an important vitamin discovered by Eli Lilly; a smart man with a little girl’s name. If you increase the Prozac to the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum15 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,232

Can’t really tell if you are being sarcastic because you DO believe in natural low cost ”alternatives” (like the liver flush) to the products that the pharmaceutical giants are selling, or if you are associating such ”alternative” approaches WITH the big dollar pharmaceutical products? [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum16 by chinlang 9 mon 1,173

What is sarcastic? Is this another herb I can only order off some MLM website? Yes, flushes support pharmacy companies. Every time you do a flush, some CEO has to refill his benzodiazepine script. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum17 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,219

Good stuff. Lots of related posts over the last year and one heck of an exciting social network. A different kind of flush by-product known as ’waste of life’. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum18 by chinlang 9 mon 1,162

One flush produced an arrogant, argumentative, uneducated twerp of a stone. And it went right down curezone’s toilet. ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum19 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,196

...and since the specific gravity of its arrogance was slightly greater than that of sewage, and its education was left behind in someone’s colon, it repeatedly resurfaced only to be flushed again and again. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum20 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,208

I wonder if pouring oil and grapefruit juice on a life and flushing it down the toilet would be equivalent to spending a year commiserating with, and providing comic relief to, others who post on this forum. ... ... PF Chang must have as exciting a life as a cluster of secreted cholesterol crystal precipitated bile saponifying ingested triacylglycerols. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum

/36 21 by parazapper 9 mon 1,248

It is amazing to me, the extent that some will go to in order to dissuade others from doing things that are cheap and harmless. ... ... Hmmmm, liver flush or surgery? ... liver flush or surgery? ... anyone? ... liver flush or surgery? ... ... If the liver flush fails to do the job after a few tries, then you can get the surgery. ... ... If the surgery fails, it will not do any good to try anything else, except maybe embalming. ... ... Even if the surgery is its most successful, you will only be minus one organ that your body obviously needs. It would not be there otherwise. ... ... I guess that they can take the appendix t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum22 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,190

I think you got me wrong. I was facetiously reacting to chinlang whom I thought was a liver flush dissident, but I’ve actually decided that he/she is not. ... ... I’ve returned to curezone after 10 years to share my stories of how I’ve been able to quantify the physical benefits of flushing, repeatedly. I previously went by the username ’fectoid’, and have a couple of moderator Recommended posts. Liver flushing actually enabled me to run my first marathon at the age of 42 and to run it in a fast enough time to qualify for the Boston Marathon in the process. I’ve repeatedly been able to demonstr ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum23 by mango2010 9 mon 1,202

Funny how people believe the liver flush is real - I WAS one of them. Andreas Moritz is one of the biggest quacks out there - beaware! Check out his website. Wanna buy some ionized stones für 20 $? Com’on they heal you - seriously! ... ... Yea even children have thousand of stones inside the liver. When doctors do a liver transplant the also transplant the thousand stones inside the liver - yes for real! :D ... ... Wake up people and don’t waste your time with this quackery! [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum24 by #135092 9 mon 1,173

andreas moritz- age 59, looks 41 ... ... ionized stones-straw man ... ... some unhealthy children will have a lot of stones. ... ... healthy liver transplant donors will likely not have a lot of stones. ... ... nice try... ... ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum25 by mango2010 9 mon 1,115

I really should start an alt-medicine business - there are enough people out there who will make me rich. But I cannot do this b/c I couldn’t lie to sick people just for their money. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum26 by parazapper 9 mon 1,105

So just what do you do that actually helps those poor sick people? ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum27 by mango2010 9 mon 1,161

Alternative med has many good ways and I am very pro them but don’t become extreme and believe in liver flush, colon cleanse etc. You only waste time There is no cure all. [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum28 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,139

... ... ... Never mind...it’s and endless loop ... ... Still with me? Back to some of the Cholestasis causes. ... ... ”Certain medications can also cause cholestasis, including: ... •Antibiotics such as ampicillin and other penicillins” ... ... What a surprise. Only until recently has the mainstream medical community recognized the general health complications that have resulted from the widespread use of antibiotics, which are also used to keep our meat supply protected from infection. ... ... And who uses these? ... ... ”•Birth control pills” ... ... And what about the symptoms? Who has this problem? ... ... ”•Inability to dige ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum29 by parazapper 9 mon 1,107

I usually do not look at any single thing as a cure but as another tool in the kit, each adding benefit. Yes, even the zapper, which is a wonderful tool, does not do it all. ... ... [End]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum30 by fectoid2 9 mon 1,301

I think you missed everything that I said before that, which was why I was concerned about writing such a long post. ... ... What I said in summary was that the National Institutes for Health recognizes cholestasis (slow or stopped bile flow) as a real condition, caused by a lot of common things like antibiotics, digestive parasites, pregnancy, birth control pills, tumors, cancers etc, that it MUST be corrected or the body suffers and can’t digest fats and fat soluble vitamins. ... ... What I was leading up to for mango, is that since my teen years I’ve had chronic fungal infections, fatigue, psoria ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Been kinda quiet here on the Debate forum31 by parazapper 9 mon 1,205

What money? ... ... The liver flush is basically free. All you need is either at the drug store or at the grocery store. ... ... Good Grief! ... ... It is nothing new either, my grandmother taught me about it over 50 years ago. She was a nurse. ... ... [End]

A quote by andreas moritz to a cancer patient32 by mango2010 9 mon 1,334

”Physically, you can remove the need for cancer in the body by cleansing the bile ducts of the liver (Over 99% of all cancers have their main phsyical cause in the accumulation of thousands of stones in the liver). To cleanse the liver see The Amazing Liver Cleanse, www.ener-chi.com, tel 1-888-280-7715. This in turn, opens of the congested lymphatic ducts that are the most immediate cause of cellular suffocation cell mutation. ” ... ... Andreas Moritz to a cancer patient. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=488295#i1 ... ... ... As you see they make money with all their other stuff. The flush is j ... [retrieve this message]

Re: A quote by andreas moritz to a cancer patient33 by parazapper 9 mon 1,126

Yes, the flush is real despite Moritz’ statements. ... ... He is also very correct in that many who have cancer have liver issues. I have known this for a long time. ... ... [End]

Re: A quote by andreas moritz to a cancer patient34 by mango2010 9 mon 1,163

Wow you seem to ignore every kind of wake up call. But if you wanna believe do so. [End]

Re: A quote by andreas moritz to a cancer patient35 by parazapper 9 mon 1,175

I have talked with several thousand people who have done liver flushes and other cleanses as well. With over 90 percent reporting positive benefit, I know better. From every thing that I have seen, the only ones who are against the liver flush are folks who have not tried it, the doctors who lose money, and the drug companies that lose money when people succeed in improving their own health. ... ... As a note on statistics: Someone who has bad results is more than 20 times as likely to post something in comparison to someone with good results. Even with that statistic, there are very few compla ... [retrieve this message]

What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?

/118 1 by Katie66 13 mon 4,705 Parasites Debate / Liver Flus / Questionin / 4 / 5 / 6

My question is pretty self explanatory. I’m trying alternative treatments to help with my depression. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?2 by propaul 13 mon 4,015

Hi Katie66. ... ... Colon, parasite then liver ... ... Propaul ... ... [End]
- Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?3 by mango2010 5 mon 1,112
  
  Please don’t spread such non sense! [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?4 by Michael B 13 mon 3,701

Hey, I think it should be colon, liver, and then parasite, for the reason that sometimes during a parasite cleanse you can kill off liver parasites as well. If you have biliary obstruction, then the dead liver parasites have no pathway of elimination and will make you sick. You don’t want dying parasites stuck in your liver when the herxheimer reaction kicks in, [End]

Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about liver cl...5 by shrimpy123 13 mon 4,469

Katie, I think the advice you are receiving is nonsense by people who know nothing, and who are still sick, and do not know what they have. Read my message below about ”not trusting sick people”; http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1928315#i; people here do not know what they are talking about; liver cleansing does not kill parasites, and if you have parasite in liver, that is deadly, and it need to be detected by a doctor who does mucus scraping, which most doctors, even so-called parasite specialsist do not perform. I already told you that some of these people will tell you nonsense, and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...6 by socalgrl 13 mon 3,753

"Go see the doctor I recommended to you. Cleanses will not help; forget about this natural junk.....; you will never kill a parasite with that." ... ... Shrimpy123, I’m confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...7 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,574

Shrimpy123, I’m confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure.” ... ... Well, I came in despration, not because there was one of two people who posted their true cures. And I am trying to help people, as oppsoed recommend things that will not work. Of course you are free to do whatever you want, but one has to be resposible when one says that this or that cleanse can kill parasites in the liver, which is nonsense. It will not kill parasites. And they will not go away with natural cures. If you have par ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...8 by judyj01 13 mon 3,588

I agree with Michael. The traditional format if you are somewhat healthy is ... ... -colon ... -kidneys ... -parasites ... -liver ... -blood/lymph ... ... However, if your badly congested, can’t tolerate fatty foods, intolerant to alcohol, allergies, food sensitivities, etc, your liver is probably pretty congested and can’t tolerate killing mass parasites at this time. The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already). I don’t know wh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...9 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,343

You need to read what I wrote and understand that I am saying if you think you have ”parasites” and have the symptoms I did, you should suspect what I had.... ... ... I have sent several people on this forum --which is the parasite forum I am on--to the wonder doctor who found in them E. Histolytica. Missed by so many labs and stool tests done by iugnorant doctors. They were not helped by natural things, and have been deadly illl for years; what do you say to these people who have had no help from anthing else. ... ... Katie;s message is posted on the ”parasite” forum, and this grants that she susp ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...10 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,350

The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already)” ... ... This is such an irresponsible thing to say; so are you saying that this all in the head? While the patient suffers. Do you know that Pharama cmpnies in the last few decades precisely support this kind of link between brain and the gut, while ignoring the real killers that attach the body and escape detection. Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of par ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...11 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,306

I have to support Shrimpy here ... ... I got very ill, first I went to a long series of incompetent doctors (yes even most infection specialists are incompentet on some very important parasites, they do not read the big books or do not follow what they say) ... ... as nop doctor could find out I tried the natural therapies, I tried long series of herbs known to cure paraistes, I tried long series of diets....some of it gave minor improvements... ... ... of course when a paraiste attack your organs (some directly like bowel, and some indirectly by all toxines they create directly or indirectly) then body ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...12 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,189

Exactly man, some of these the natural herapies are a billion dollar industry making people sick, and not HEaling them. Bogus parasite clenases are absolutely unhelpful. There a culture where people eat all kinds of natural things, herbs daily, and still they become infected with deadly parasites like E. Histolytica and die. No herb, no cleansing, no diet, no zapper will kill this. ... ... [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...13 by david1o1 13 mon 3,056

[quote] ... Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of parasites like E. Hitolytica that all their problems are Mental and IBS related, while they are bleeding, and their organs are attacked, and literally eaten alive? ... [/quote] ... ... I have said this many times... ... ... There are people who think that to cleanse the body can kill parasites when it has been shown that it is not true. ... ... Why do you think that wild animals are infected by parasites ? ... They follow primitive living habits and they are infected... ... ... Moreover there is no point trying to cleanse the colon, the liver, the kidney ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...14 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,016

For example Histolytica is described in the big best books to very often actually give lots of micro perforation of bowel wall...the same books says this will cause things inside bowel to leak into other parts of body...it is quite amazing how body for years and years even can withstand this if not leak too big...of course person will feel horrible ... ... Body is amazing at cleaing out anything it do not want...but in such leakege the body has to work hard hard hard.... ... ... of course no matter type of cleansing in such case will be just crap....In best case it will cause a little very short te ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...15 by Mansonella Perstans 8 mon 1,601

I agree. I’m waiting to get into the Clinic at Harborview, the Travelers and Tropical Infectious Disease....my eyes are going, lymph swollen badly...I don’t have time. My organs are affected. ... ... I have Mansonella perstans and my symptoms are severe. Anyone can come into my home and take a look at me. Look at my skin, the lesions, swollen abdomen, and the weight loss... ... ... I couldn’t stand having this crawling under my skin, and the deterioration I see every day for ANY length of time. Keeping anyone on hold like this is sadistic and I find ignorance a poor excuse on the part of the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...16 by Michael B 13 mon 2,997

Thank you, Judy. You are a voice of reason amongst a murky cesspool of ignorance. [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...17 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,090

”they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse.” ... ... yes you are partly right partly wrong... ... ... Yes most doctors are incompenten on some very important parasistes, both on diangosis and treamtnet. ... ... This do not mean the best medicial science is incompetent. I am not talking about some new fancy break through. I am talkign about test methods well known in books for at least 30 to 40 years...ignored by almost every doctor ... ... I went to many many many incompetent (but among the better ones actually) doctors... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...18 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,001

Exactly man, crooked doctors do not do their own research, because they it is beyond their ”pay time”--but the science is there, which they criminally ignore. As you sucggest, mucus scraping is a practice that the best of the parasitologists did, but now every body becoming a gastro specialists, it has been abandoned, relying on flawed stool tests and their ”golden blood tests”; as result, people who are deadly ill are left to die, assuming that something is wrong with their mind! ... ... ... This is why we need to demand clinical minds, not doctors who have become psychologists! They are crimina ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...19 by david1o1 13 mon 2,892

[quote] ... I luckily have all the big books on infction medicine and have studied them now and then for more than 25 years (actually I think 27 years) ... [/quote] ... ... Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ? ... ... Thanks, [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...20 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,971

”Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ?” ... ... Naturally, but ... ... 1. Do not treat based on the books yoursefl without diagnosis with doctor following books....The books are mainly helpefull to check out if your doctor know what he do or not... ... ... 2. It is very easy when first reading one or two of these books to just look to match symptoms, unfortunately if you carefully read many of the books you will find many many infections have very overlapping symptoms, many books just mention the most severe late stage symptoms...so the right approach is e ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...

/118 21 by david1o1 13 mon 2,863

Thanks, i will read you post later. ... ... By curiosity, do you use dragon naturally speaking ? Because you are very fast to type ! ;) [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...22 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,878

”By curiosity, do you use dragon naturally speaking ? Because you are very fast to type ! ;)” ... ... No but this is the chinese year of dragon and also 2012 :-) my brain is just quick, sharp and fast as I got rid off all intruders in my body...but now out for a long walk under the beautiful blue sky!! ... ... Enjoy your day folks!! Life is Wonderful Wonderful Wonderful when you just get full health back! [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...23 by healthnik 13 mon 2,888

Hello Tropical Boy ... ... I had a blood transfusion 4 years ago & got someone’s bad blood. I’ve seen a few doctors to discover the cause of my myriad of problems. I’m getting better but there are still problems lingering - I’m currently being treated for H-Pylori & I also tested positive for a ”non-human parasite” (Metametrix test). I noticed others on the forum received this vague diagnosis. The doctor said that he would treat the parasite with a broad spectrum antibiotic after being treated for H-Pylori if I’m still not feeling better. Hmmm ... not feeling confident about this. Sounds ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...24 by kuriousity1111 12 mon 3,107

Hello there Friend, ... I too have had testing done through Metametrix. ... I also tested possitive for a parasite (non-human, as well) of ”unknown etiology”... ... ... My symptoms most resemble Chagas Disease, otherwise known as North American Sleeping Sickness. It is said to be found in blood bank supplies. ... It is a vector borne sickness. Google it if you would like a description. ... ... So I called Metametrix, and told them I had a question about my test results. ... ... I said, ”Did you test for trypanosomiasis in my last batch of tests?” ... ... The woman said ”No.” ... I asked,”Is there any test you have ther ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...25 by jazzydude 13 mon 3,085

For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind boggling. ... ... I have seen many posts mention parasite killing treatments (natural or not) without knowing what parasite or what they are trying to kill. ... This is a BIG problem because such treatments can make the situation much worse! ... ... I think diagnosis should be a priority and I think people should focus on finding ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...26 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,937

wrong dianosis by many doctors will unfortunately often lead to lots of unecessary medication, often just given because doctor want to help, but do not know cause, and give meds to reduce symptoms, then hope body cure itself...(as it luckily often do for many things, but not for all things) ... ... Right diagnosis at early point would save us for lots of medcines, from doctors or natural theraphist....also medical herbs are medical herbs, they are not vitamin herbs or food herbs..... ... ... in a perfect world right diagnose right medicine early on....in real life can take years to find proper docto ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...27 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,024

”Educating Instead of Medicating” ... ... People with deadly parasites ruining their health not diagnosed will just keep coming to doctor, and doctor after doctor, most will at least try some of the symptom meds doctor gives...if more doctors had been properly educated in parasites (very few clearly are) then yes we would save society from so much use of medicines... right diagnose and a short course of right medicine to remove cause of the ill health and then bodies amazing capazity to heal itself is like a miracle to me... The human body (if you not live like crazy unhealthy) has increadible ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...28 by Mansonella Perstans 8 mon 1,900

I agree. Diagnostics is where the failure is. And diagnostics is what I desperately need. And quicker appointments with those with symptoms as bad as I. ... ... I also wish more people that are going to the Infectious Disease Clinics that are supposed to know how to diagnose these, (off the CDC site is how I got in touch with the one at Harborview in Seattle), would post what happens as they go through this. ... ... I will, either way. Either from Harborview, where I am supposed to hear from them in 3-5 business days (you know, they registered me by phone and they ask for your Social Security nu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...29 by Michael B 13 mon 3,060

What entitles you to so freely insult others who have real experience healing themselves and who offer useful advice that would save others years of time and thousands of dollars? Really, what entitles you to so freely fling your harmful opinions around? ... ... My posts about how I have healed myself, my exact protocols, and in fact a lot of really intelligent and well thought out reasoning behind why I recommend such advice is freely available for all to read. People do not need a ”warning” from you; they can think for themselves. ... ... Relating specifically to the posts in question, i actually ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...30 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,889

have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols. ... ... I have been trying to find good labs for parasite tests but they seem hard to find. I wasted a lot of $$ on them. ... Which lab found parasites in your liver? Which parasite was in the liver? Which test did you do? [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...31 by Michael B 13 mon 2,923

I actually didn’t go to any labs for testing. During my fifth liver flush, I ate 10-15 cloves of organic raw garlic everyday in preparation for my flush. I was not intentionally trying to kill any parasites but rather utilizing the garlic for its excellent desluding properties. ... ... Upon completion of the flush I released several stones covered in mycelial candida along with copious volumes of sludgy candida particulate. So in my case, the parasite I released was a fungal parasite, which in my opinion is a lot harder to kill than a fluke, worm, or protozoa. ... ... [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...32 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,886

I actually didn’t go to any labs for testing. During my fifth liver flush, I ate 10-15 cloves of organic raw garlic everyday in preparation for my flush” ... ... Well, I hope you are well, but please stop telling peole who have clue about what they have they get better because of good sex, etc, and this is of course childish advice, and irresponsible, for people who are already shooting in the dark, and suffering without knowing what they are, and trying to treat it through natural means. Jazzy is exactly right. He is an example of how natural things do not work for something deadly like E. His ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...33 by Michael B 13 mon 2,961

Are you seriously going to declare in a public forum where thousands of people have cured themselves naturally that natural healing is childish and irresponsible? ... ... You are Waaaaaay out of line both in your behavior and your ideas and should not be giving advice out to anybody until you deal with your issues. [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...34 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,884

” i actually have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols” ... ... what exactly was the parasite you killed? did you have it confirmed by a leading infection specialist? There is NO way you knew even what you killed or even what you had, if it not was a big tape worm coming out your but, or if you even killed any parasite at all... ... ... Or was it something you see in your stool that looks like this or that. There are lots of psudo-parasites described in the best books on parastitology. Many many objects in the stool that by untrained eye looks very like known parasites, but that can ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...35 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,873

” i actually have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols” ... ... I agree Tropicalboy. It is amazing that some people make such tall claims! The deadliest parasites are not visible to the naked eye, and ”untrained” people cannot recognize it; and such people are hardly qualified to give advice. Such advice is assumed to work for others who equally have no idea what on earth they have. One needs to have ”clinical” experience to detect parasites and treat them, and so many people on this forum have no clue. The best is to ask probing questions about the exact symptoms and then possi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...36 by Michael B 13 mon 2,886

Your wimpy little anaerobic protozoa would be easily cured by eating 3 cloves of organic raw garlic a day. The parasite I eliminated from my liver, the mycelial form of candida, is infinitely more adaptive, intelligent, and difficult to kill than some wimpy E. Hystolica. ... ... Why pay a doctor thousands of dollars to prescribe you the same ineffective drugs that everyone is already using and not getting any results from? You think people using natural cures haven’t already walked down that dark road in the past? ... ... Have you done a CoQ10 megadose? No. ... Have you tried eating 15 cloves of raw ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...37 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,822

stead of realizing that doctors are full of sh*t and man made medication does not heal you, in fact it actually makes you sick, which is what you SHOULD have concluded, you instead reached the lame conclusion that the answer lies in finding a doctor who does mucus scraping. This is truly sad indeed and shows that you will take your kicking and screaming doctor worshipping victimhood straight with you to the grave, all the while proclaiming what nonsense natural healing is without ever DOING it. ... ... Quite a service you are doing for humanity. Reall” ... ... OF course I regained my life and health ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...38 by Michael B 13 mon 2,772

You are the weakest, whiniest non-westerner to ever disgrace this forum [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...39 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,913

”Upon completion of the flush I released several stones covered in mycelial candida along with copious volumes of sludgy candida particulate.” ... ... How on earth did you know it was fungus, many protozoan parasoites are indistingushable from fungus even in microscope if you not are very very well trained? But you knew!! Great you are the miracle man a genius. ... ... How did you know it not was normal flora, almost everyone have candida, but to my knowlede you must look at even candida in good microscope and even there it can be hard to distingusih from other normal funguses if not very well trai ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...40 by fred33m 11 mon 3,207

kill the parasites. ... http://www.frequencyrising.com/royalrife_frequencies.htm [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?

/118 41 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,096

Have you ruled out paraistes as I have suggested ... ... This is a protozoan parasite forum. ... ... Several of have been sick for long time....tired even endless natural remedies to little help....yes many natural remedies and diets etc will help polish the symptoms... ... ... First at least go to world leading infection specialists to rule out parasites....most infection specialists not do the necessary steps to rule out an very important parasite that yes can give horrible depressions and many many other horrible symptoms. ... ... I am so happy I met such a docor in the end.....yes a few diets could polish ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?42 by david1o1 13 mon 2,840

[quote] ... My health is back, I basically eat what I want....all types of crap was suggested to me, senistive to enviroment, wifii radiation, food alergy etc etc... ... [/quote] ... ... There are also others causes that can produce diseases symptoms, like dehydration, obstructions, intoxication and that’s why the foods you eat, the habits you follow, the environment you live in are important. ... ... But i agree with you, some parasites can really damage the human body tissues and decrease the efficiency of the elimination and of the selective assimilation of elements. ... [End]

Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 43 by Royal Unicorn 13 mon 3,600

Post below is Triple Recommended RRR: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1584938 [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 44 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,115

While I agree that such nonsensical cleansing will do nothing, I do not think that a clean body can handle parasites! Once a parasite like Histolytica gets hold of it, it is no longer so clean and healthy. It is poisoned from top to bottom. ... ... No diet will, and the person will get sicker and sicker, eventually so many things going wrong, which criminal doctors will consider isolate, such liver problems, kidney disease, pancres inflammation, gold bladder problems, and the doctors will be happy to do surgey and cut out parts of the body..... ... ... you see the mess then that will follow; doctor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 45 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,038

Such flushes can likely give short term symptom improvement in some paraiste infections... ... ... One dangerous parasite according to some of the very best books thick books on parasitology actually describe it can make the gut leak (through micro damage, many microscopic holes caused by the dangerous parasite), so anything in the gastro system will actually be kind of posionos to body at this stage, as it leaks into areas where it not should be...but yes we need food so we cannot stop eating forever, even if also total fast in this stage often also will help short term (symptom treament again ... [retrieve this message]

intestines are as permeable as cheesecloth. potato chips shred more inte...46 by thinker2012 13 mon 2,975

Potato chips rip apart thin permeable intestinal walls far worse and far more often then any known parasites ... [End]

Re: intestines are as permeable as cheesecloth. potato chips shred more ...47 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,977

”Potato chips rip apart thin permeable intestinal walls far worse and far more often then any known parasites” ... ... Where is your evidence? can you show us the study?when you come with such sayings you better have some proof for it... ... ... Is this based on people eating potato chips, then someone has opened their stomach and found damage, or from biopsies....you must be very careful by mixing correlations and causality... ... ... Assume 10 people with horrible stomach problems, biopsies of their intestine all show damage, all of them ate quite regularly potato chips, do this mean potato chips damge ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 48 by garliccures 13 mon 2,996

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day. ... ... The RX meds are always toxic. ... ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... ... Caveat Emptor ... ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 49 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,931

what lab diagnosed you with Histolytica, what doctor? or you did it yourself? ... ... All natural is good...ehh.... I assume you live under a tree in a big forest happy and teleport by your mind to the internet.... ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 50 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,821

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day.” ... ... Phantasy is phantasy; how did you know you have E. hItsolytica? WHo diagnosed it? I ate garlic every day, and so many others do, and they hare not helped. Obviously you do not know that Histolytica is not killed that way. YOu must be the BIG EXCEPTION. The rest of us are really unlukcy to need PROPER medical cure. [End]

"I don't see the big fuss"51 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,862

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day.” ... ... Obviously you really do not ”understand” at all the seriousness of E. Histolytica. And by the way, are you sure, that you got rid of in 5 days? ... ... And you are perfectly well? Healthy now? If so, what are you doing on this forum? There to offer people your advice on taking garlic. Or are you still ill, assuming that it is from something ”mysterious”? DO you have some constipation, diarrhea, headache, brain fog, skin rashes, hives, ba ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 52 by garliccures 13 mon 2,925

I don’t really get the anger. ... ... If you guys are cured, then congratulations to you. Go forth into the world and prosper. ... Why are you trying to work out issues here? I am not necessarily doubting that you are cured, but it seems like your anger is so over the top that you have some sort of issue still going on. ... ... If you are trying to help people, you have a strange way of doing it with all the vinegar and piss. ... ... FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, and herbal medicine was the de facto standard. The entire Rockefeller medical mafia is about as corrupt as anyt ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 53 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,996

Are you aware that only close to 100% sure diagnose of Histolytica is to find Tropocites with ingested red blood cells.... ... ... Did you know if he only found Entamoeba in stool test sent to lab? Did you even bother to find out, did you ask your doctor, do you even had the knowledge to ask him about this? ... ... If so he almost for sure only found Entamoeba Trophocoytes or Entamoeba cysts... Did you know that these then most likely are the Non-pathogen Entamoeba types you had, it dose not even nee treament.... so then may be garlic worked well. Did you know that at least doctors used to do this ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 54 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,000

”The entire Rockefeller medical mafia is ” ... ... I am sure many people and some people in almost every big family have done good and bad... ... ... was it not the Rockefeller that put a lot of money to clean new york area for malaria....ohh yes this was horrible was it not....becuse everyone could just have stopped eating sugar and slept under open sky in the swamps surounding manhattan... ... ... You are living in utopia, plese check up if you truly had Hitolytica or if you just had non-pathogen Entamoeba.....please stop spreading your garlic crap theory.... ... ... several people with truly diagnosed Hist ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 55 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,791

”FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, ” ... ... and what was life expectancy back then? ... ... In year 1900 life expectancy in USA was 47.8 years ... ... But yes many people lived to quite old, because this number include big death among babies....but yes even adjusted for this life expectancy was much lower than today. ... ... And in 1850 life expectancy in USA was only 38.3 ... ... well we could discuss this up and down....but what is your point, that everyone lived natural and happy and organic before 1900...long lives with no parasites..actually parasites was one of main problems b ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 56 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,752

”FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, ” ... ... man this is nuts; people are living a dark world. You cannot convince them; they are sick, and cannot find the cause, because the m*o*o*n and criminal doctors have not found anything, and now they want others live in a dark world. ... ... Comletely dangerous thinking. [End]

"Live and let live. Let the people pursue the treatment they want." 57 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,811

... ”Live and let live. Let the people pursue the treatment they want.” ... ... Wow, this is like free-market captalism, while you seem to endorse the opposing. ... ... When it comes to disease and diagnosis, this is not about letting people live and pursue their treatment. Oh my Gosh, when they have symptoms, a diagnosis has to be done a properly trained doctor, who can heal. ... ... Free choice you are talking about is what free capitalism also promotes. And in the dark ages, that you seem to endorse, when there was no westerm medicine, such thing was not there. ... ... ... ... We are saying what you guys are ... [retrieve this message]

"In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "58 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,854

Histolytica. ... ... So again, why are you on this forum? To tell people that you get better with garlic. I assume that you are still sick? ... ... Looking for natural cures for some unknown cause, now that you supposedly got rid of E. Histolytica with garlic. ? ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: "In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "59 by Michael B 13 mon 2,799

... have you even TRIED eating raw garlic before? ... ... Or did you throw a temper tantrum after biting off and spiting out your first bite because your spoiled, indoctrinated and westernized tongue was far too sophisticated for it? ... ... And did the ensuing FURY of not getting your way and being tricked, conned, and SCAMMED into trying natural healing NONSENSE that DARED to burn your superior westernized tongue with SATANIC GARLIC lead you on a CRUSADE to forever condemn the EVIL ways of natural healing and the QUACKS who claim to have healed themselves with natural methods? ... ... I hope mommy an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: "In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "60 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,756

I did not heal, but you did.? ... ... ... But I am now cured? How about you? Garlic did wonders for you? So why are you on this forum? To tell idiotic advice about garlic and parasites? ... ... You must be living in the dark ages. Now that your stool tests show that you are CLEARED. you must really believe those scientists ha? Keep believing, I am not the victim, you seem to be. and you are making others victims by giving this kind of advice. [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing...

/118 61 by david1o1 13 mon 2,843

[quote] ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... [/quote] ... ... Thanks for the laugh. :D ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 62 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,820

”[quote] ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... [/quote] ... ... Thanks for the laugh. :D” ... ... but again you people are likley not seeing the deeper truth... ... ... Many lyme disease doctors are basing the lyme diangosis on tests that not are accepted by any good medical science. Health authorities (even if they also can do errors quite ofene) warns against CD57+ NK cell count to diagnose lyme, also against LLT tests that many of thse crank lyme disease docrors relay on.. ... ... All the big ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 63 by david1o1 13 mon 2,745

[quote] ... You people are attacking doctors not knowledagbel in western medicine, this do not mean western medicine not have the answer....please if you are attacking a field then read the litterature first, not only listen to cranks that have studied fraction of it. ... [/quote] ... ... I don’t criticize an allopath doctor because he is an allopath doctor but because those i have met are ignorant and follow the procedure without using their mind to search for others causes of a chronic ”disease”. ... ... I am interested in the books you are talking about, please post some titles and authors. ... ... Thanks, [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 64 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,769

”I am interested in the books you are talking about, please post some titles and authors. ... ... I already did further up where u asked at first. :-) enjoy!! ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 65 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,838

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 66 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,831

You people should be attacking doctors not knowledagbel in western medicine, this do not mean western medicine not have the answer..” ... ... Exactly man, we have all something in common, We all think that most doctors are criminals, and do not do their homework. Sadly, some simply give up westerm meds and turn to natural ”CURES”; and then end up living lives misery; ... because they do not find the doctors who may do the real dirty work necesserary to find what is really wrong one. We did find such a doctor. [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 67 by Michael B 13 mon 2,977

”because they have no diagnosis, and only treat symptoms, whatever is supposedly wrong will be reomved as much as they can, thinking that is the cure.....” ... ... This is exactly what you are doing: instead of taking responsibility for your own health, your own decisions, your own internal state of mind and body, you are giving your power away to external doctors and either thinking they are criminals if they do nothing for you, or saints if they happen to prescribe a drug that kills off some wimpy parasite you have. ... ... But what you do not realize is that YOU are only treating your symptoms. Y ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 68 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,023

”In a clean body, parasites can do no harm. ” ... ... so make sure your body is clean, then let malaria infected mosquitos bit u then see what happen. ... ... Even cows only eating organic grass can get parasites....and die if not treated... ... ... parasite, large intestinal worms (tape worms are too big to hide when they a few times come out) are mentioned in more than 2000 year old books....yes they had herbs against these... ... ... we have enough science to understand how many of these spread....It was not clean bodies that got rid of Malaria in New York, yes New York had malaria and malaria mosquitos no ... [retrieve this message]

In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous diet69 by thinker2012 13 mon 2,960

In africa the natives were immune to mosquitos and malaria and tste flies UNTIL DR. ALBERT SWEITZER MD built the first european medical clinic in africa and brought boatloads and tons of refined sugar and refined sugary laden sweet breads to feed the local afrikaners every morning for breakfast, lunch, snack and at dinner, once the afrikaners had eaten the refined european sugar and had the refined white sugar bread donut goo in thier blood the mosquitos and tste flies went crazy to get at the refined white sugar in the the natives skin and of course, in the europeans refined sugar soaked ... [retrieve this message]

mds die at early age according to insurance actuaries70 by thinker2012 13 mon 2,814

Insurance actuaries say three, 3 main career groups die earliest and are HIGHEST RISK OF EARLY DEATH, first early age death group is restaurant owners- food gluttons? second earliest age death group is printers- due to toxic printing chemicals? third highest risk of early death, earliest to die group is mds- maybe because they eat the rx chalk they peddle or cut themselves with the knives they like to play with? ....... why would anyone listen to people who drop dead at average age of 57 to 59? ... [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...71 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,793

I have been on zero sugar diets many times in my life, mosqiotos still go for me....but may be less of them.... ... ... So yes we should just be clean, eat no sugar, but sugar is natural is it not...so agin a natural ”poison”.....what is sugar fruit sugar is sugar, milk sugar is sugar, you are talking about white porcessed sugar,, oohh yes the world processed then no longer natural.. ... ... what about buildings, they are not natural, so may be bad living in buildings, back to sleeping under a tree, good may be where you live, in coldest part of world may be not so smart...one of the reaons they got ... [retrieve this message]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...72 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,757

Unblelieveable what people today are prone to believe blindly, even when they obviously have access to information that they can save their lives, instead of dabbling in the pseudo sineces man. Really stupid to say that people do nto get malaira because they developed immunity! [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...73 by david1o1 13 mon 2,775

[quote] ... Cows only eating organic grass, no sugar no artifacts also get parasites if unlucky....may be you think these cows are punished because they sinded or so...in nature there was always a fight of the resources....tigers kill to eat, parasites live on hosts to live....is it so hard to understand...so tigers have no parasites, they do not eat sugar to my knowledge, yes also only meat eaters can get parasites.... ... [/quote] ... ... Ahahah i have repeated the same thing again and again but some people don’t want to accept the facts... ... ... I guess several schools of thoughts can be destroyed if ... [retrieve this message]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...74 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,749

Are you comaring animals to humans? They have a colon very different from the humans, oh, my gosh, you need some lession in this? ... ... You are misunderstanding what tropicalboy is saying. [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...75 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,844

I think all 3 of us agree.....just all typing fast ... ... we all agree just by living of organic grass or just by eating raw organic meat, or just by drinking water (one would starrve at some point) one can still get parasites... ... ... but yes living healthy eating healthy (hard to say exactly what is healthy, but yes that is another issue) one naturally tend to get stronger immune system etc...at least better at controling the parasites....but no matter how healthy we live we can get parasites... ... ... big human parasite worms are described even in very old books because any modern medicine, becaus ... [retrieve this message]

This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so many76 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,985

Some claiming that potato chips cut holes in the stomach, garlic cures E. Histolytica, flush this, and that, only shows that people are driven to madness by the lack of proper diagnosis and medical care..... by competant and well trained doctors. We all agree that most doctors are crooks, and their medical profession has been high jacked by pharma companies, and clinical experience has evaded it, flouting science itlsef, but this does not make it necessary to abandon asicnece and believe that garlic cures parasites..... when one is still ill with this and that. ... ... Go find a doctor who doe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...77 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,838

Shrimpy, ... those well-trained Doctors you refer to are the 3rd leading cause of death within the USA (Iatrogenic). ... ... Pasteur was right when he stated that the germ is nothing, and the terrain everything................. ... ... On the subject of any Parasites.......... ... ... ”Any parasite, including the malarian parasite, will be eliminated if the bodies system is clear of toxicity. ... Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean........... ... Parasites along with their larva and eggs are almost as ubiquitous as bacteria. We come in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...78 by david1o1 13 mon 2,758

Herbert Shelton has spread hygienic principles all his life and at the end of his life he was sick and lost his hair... ... ... One of my grandfather is dead older than Herbert Shelton and with all his mind, all his body power, all his hair, when he has eaten and drank all kinds of foods during his life. ... ... I say Herbert Shelton may have had parasites that ate his brain, a possible reason why he has lost his mind at the end of his life... ... ... Why people who follow hygienic principles as described by Herbert Shelton don’t live longer and with a better health than others people ? Maybe because the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...79 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,878

David, ... I’m afraid your comments re’ Herbert Shelton are in ignorance of the facts. ... Shelton’s premature death (90) was due to decades of overworking for his cause, and which eventually took its toll on his physique and nervous system. He was also the unwitting victim of a DHA deficiency, both of which resulted in his Parkinsons disease. ... It is common knowledge that any undue stress on the body (overwork for example) will require more than the average nutrients from even the best of diets. ... He was examined by his close friend, Dr Joel Fuhrman MD, towards the end of his life which confirme ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...80 by david1o1 13 mon 2,855

[quote] ... Shelton’s premature death (90) was due to decades of overworking for his cause, and which eventually took its toll on his physique and nervous system. ... [/quote] ... ... This is an excuse. Beside from the description on wikipedia, Herbert Shelton has lost his mind and his body capabilities at 77... (I know this may not be accurate, but why should i believe you ?) ... ... Here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_M._Shelton ... [quote] ... By 1972, at the age of 77, he was completely bedridden from a degenerative neuro-muscular disease believed to be Parkinson’s disease.[2] He died thirteen years ... [retrieve this message]

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/118 81 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,748

”Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean...........” ... ... I used to think that because I was healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life that I would be immune to health issues. ... It turned out not to be the case at all... As someone that never really got sick I could not believe that I was not able to get rid of Giardia and Entomoeba Histolytica easily. ... ... I think its better to have a healthy life style but also be very careful with your food and water sources and how your food is cooked. ... ... B ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...82 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,681

Jazzydude, ... ... ”Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean...........” ... ... I used to think that because I was healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life that I would be immune to health issues. ... ... But just because you were healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life, does not mean that you are free from toxemia whether derived endogenously and/or exogenously. This is why periodic water-only-fasting is considered essential by many to eradicate internal toxins. ... ... If you ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...83 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,734

If you are free from toxemia, then parasites are unable to survive. ... Cleanliness is next to godliness. ... ... When you say parasites do you mean all parasites? ... I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe that fasting will prevent all parasites. How would one test such a claim? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...84 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,653

Yes I mean all parasites. ... ”Man lives in such a manner that he breaks down his resistance to parasitic invasion. Parasites cannot harm the man or woman who has maintained, unimpaired, the integrity of his or her body.”.............. ... Herbert M. Shelton DP ND DC DNT DNSc DNPh DNLitt PhD DOrthop ... ... ... ”Parasites can be starved out and they will not again infest an intestinal tract that is kept sanitary by right food and living.”......... ... George Weger MD. ... ... ”It is impossible for parasites to develop in the intestines of a child or adult unless the digestive secretions are weakened to such an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...85 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,713

”Bechamp was right, the germ is nothing, but the terrain is everything”. ... ... I disagree, both should be taken in consideration. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...86 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,702

It was proven jazzydude by those who implemented the principle of Toxemia as the root-cause of most all disease. ... ... This has little to do with science but solely to do with health. Medical science is preoccupied with disease and managed illness, and not health or the prevention of disease. ... A gold-standard RCT is not required because it works in practice. ... ... ”Bacteria or for the matter of fact any germ is not the cause of disease. It’s the environment which plays the decisive role.........Dr. Nancy Malik. ... ... ... Germs have very little to do with disease.............. ... http://naturalhygieneso ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...87 by Michael B 13 mon 2,916

”but this does not make it necessary to abandon asicnece and believe that garlic cures parasites..... when one is still ill with this and that.” ... ... Abandon science? Lol ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976 ... ... Antimicrobial properties of allicin from garlic. ... Ankri S, Mirelman D. ... Source ... Department of Biological Chemistry, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot 76100, Israel. ... Abstract ... Allicin, one of the active principles of freshly crushed garlic homogenates, has a variety of antimicrobial activities. Allicin in its pure form was found to exhibit i) antibacterial activity aga ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...88 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,779

Keep believing this nonsense, and some idiotic person who says that garlic kills parasaite or the parasite is not disease causing, while you are still ill? ... ... So you all who take garlic must be feeling owesome right? ... ... ... So you really believe that stool tests show parasites because ”science” shows it, because some paper written by a ”scientist” demonstrated it? Yes, some idiotic scientists also said that Blastocystis causes disease, without of course having any ”clinical” experience. ... ... Keep believing this junk and hang around this forum and give people dangerous advice, that keep peopl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...89 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,768

histolytica, because they also say that stool test also also show E. Histolytica. ... ... Yes, scientific papers also say that. like the ones you cited. DO you trust them too? ... ... Or do you say that garlic work because you are CURED? Can you say that about yourself, ARE YOU CURED? BECAUSE I am. LIFE IS WONDERFUL FOR ME. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...90 by Michael B 13 mon 2,799

Proven wrong right before your eyes and you continue babbling. Absolutely amazing specimen you are. I highly doubt you are cured of anything. If you were, you wouldn’t be such a rambling doctor-worshipping dogmatic schizophrenic. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...91 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,786

ncluding multidrug-resistant enterotoxicogenic strains of Escherichia coli; ii) antifungal activity, particularly against Candida albicans; iii) antiparasitic activity, INCLUDING SOME MAJOR HUMAN INTESTINAL PROTOZOAN PARASITES SUCH AS ENTAMOEBA HISTOLYTIC and Giardia lamblia; and iv) antiviral activity. ” ... ... Wow, Michael, this your sience? You really believe this? Where did you did this up? Must have done a lot of research to find this out? ... ... WOW ”Antiparasitic activity....” This must be real rea; ”scinetific” evidence for real CURE ha, for killing parasites. SO whenever a paper says that ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...92 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,787

Michael, ... ... You never answered how you could be sure it was candida you visualy could see getting flusehed out by one of your flushes..., how you could be sure you had killed it, how you could be sure it even was cause of sickness...of course you have no idea even what you had, have, cured or not cured as from what you said you never had a proper done diagnostic. ... ... Yes yes I personally never said garlic not had some antimicrobial effect, in my view the ”health” effect of garlic is so very well know that basically everyone know it even as they grow up.... ... ... However it is very very differe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...93 by Michael B 13 mon 2,711

?? Your posts sound like an incoherent rant. What exactly are you trying to say anyway? Do you even have a point to make? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...94 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,681

Obviously, you are not getting any of the points Tropicalboy is trying to make; you are the one who had no ground stand on, in terms of flawd arguments you make about science, garlic, and so called ”wimpy” parasites, and ”Western toungues”; need I say more. Read the posts again, and again, if you do not understand what we are saying.... ; at least others may benifit from this. NOt you. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...95 by Michael B 13 mon 2,718

Sounds like desperation [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...96 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,632

Go get well before you give bogus advice to people. You are still sick and are not qualified to give people advice. Find help first.... before you pretend to act like a doctor about using garlic.... for parasites. Get well first. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...97 by garliccures 13 mon 2,663

before the year 1900, no human being or animal since the dawn of time has ever recovered from parasitic ’infection’ due to the lack of pharmaceutical drugs. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...98 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,721

before the year 1900, no human being or animal since the dawn of time has ever recovered from parasitic ’infection’ due to the lack of pharmaceutical drugs. ... ... Humans and parasites evolve. What worked before the year 1900 may not work or be out of context today. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...99 by Michael B 13 mon 2,753

Wimpy Shrimpy went to the Doc ... Wimpy Shrimpy followed the flock ... ”HELP! HELP! The BUGS are attacking!” ... Eat some Garlic, and stop your Quacking! [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...100 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,703

Obviousl this guy Michael B is still sick, because he seems to be having brain fog or his brain is not working. He is giving people dangerous and insane advice. Asking people eat garlic for parasites. ... ... Michaelb, stop pretending to be a doctor, and get well first, and stop giving people charlant advice making them further ill. YOU ARE A DANGER TO HUMANITY. There are really sick people who need genuine help here and for the love God spare them your quackery. ... ... NOthing more dangerous than self-quackery, quaking oneself into believing that garlic cures parasites! Go back to a different cen ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m... /118 101 by Michael B 13 mon 2,665

Would you like some cheese with that whine? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...102 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,765

... garlic kills parasites... when it is clearly evident that it has been firmly scientifically established.” ... ... ... WOw, firmly stablished? for someone who does not trust much scinece, this is a ”firm” statement? ... ... Yes, my question to Michael, who champions garlic cures is this: ... ... SO you must be really well now, not only attested by the power of scinece about garlic cure, but your own sovereign self-claim about it. NOw that you are better? ... ... So are you in super good shape? CURED BY garlic? Or are you around this forum because you some seemingly ”isolated” health problem? IF SO: ... ... WHat a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...103 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,696

By reading, your earlier posts Michael, it seems that you are sill quite sick with many problems, and you might really want to take our advice who regained our helth and find out if you still have E. Histolytica. Your garlic does not seem to have worked if you still have problems. ... ... Oh, by the way, E. Histolytica attacks and affect many organs, including liver, since you are doing liver flush and etc. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1929149#i ... ... It astounds me that if you are so healthy, and telling people that E. Histolytica is a wimpy parasite to kill, you have such problems with ... [retrieve this message]

Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" and t...104 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,937

Once again, this debate shows that many people claiming bogus things like garlic cures this and that, and they got rid of some wimpy parasite by eating 15 garlic, are out of their minds, for whatever ”reason” if they have reason; surely most of the people making such absurd suggestions have no clue what they have; and they simply assume that they got rid of the parasite because perhaps they look into the toilet and determine that they do not have a parasite or go and do a typical stool test, which comes out almost always negative. But of course they are are still unwell. And then they have ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" a...105 by Michael B 13 mon 2,653

Ahhh it is clear now: you were one of those spoiled children who threw a tantrum, whined and shouted until mommy and daddy changed your protozoa soaked diapers. ... ... [End]

Re: Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" a...106 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,679

So, Mr. Strong Michael B, if you are so strong, why are you so sick still. ... ... It seems the wimpy parasite got you. NOt me.. I beat it. But he is wreaking havoc in you, it seems from your previous posts. ... ... Well, no point in telling a person who cannot use his brain, being a child...... ... ... Yes, go and make fun of people who get a deadly illness; you do not deserve to be on this forum. You are child. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...107 by Michael B 13 mon 2,686

Wimpy Shrimpy screamed and shouted, ... ”GO SEE A DOCTOR” he desperately touted, ... But his cry wasn’t heard; ... His message absurd- ... Lauding the Herd that he flouted. ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...108 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,668

Wimpy Shrimpy screamed and shouted, ... ”GO SEE A DOCTOR” he desperately touted, ... But his cry wasn’t heard; ... His message absurd- ... Lauding the Herd that he flouted.” ... ... Well, childish sick people who are suffering from brain confusion, and who think eating garlic is science to beat parasite, cannot be convinced. They are doomed to be sick. They cannot be helped. ... ... They believe in liver flushes, and because that is what their daddy and mommy told them; and not to read and write think critically. Brain-dead..... from parasites. ... ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...109 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,698

What entitles you to so freely insult others who have real experience healing themselves and who offer useful advice that would save others years of time and thousands of dollars? Really, what entitles you to so freely fling your harmful opinions around?” ... ... Mr. ”STRONG” man, Michael b, why are you still sick, if you are healed? Can you tell us that? ... ... You claimed that cured yourself with garlic. But Why are you having problems still? ... ... Can you be honest with yourself, or are you quacking yourself? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...110 by Michael B 13 mon 2,676

Teenie weenie ittie bittie wimpy shrimpy pooped his panties- ... a piping passel of parasitic protozoa did poopie-peon get. ... If uber stupid microscopic wimpy poopy protozoa pass a stool test ... Why didn’t whiny tiny limpy shrimpy go to see a vet? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...111 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,639

You have been reported for abusing the forum. YOu are wasting everyone’s time. and still sick and completely unqualified to give advice. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...112 by #145783 13 mon 2,725

I’ve seen these types of anti Curezone pro pharma groups at Curezone before. Don’t acknowledge them ,they will continue to talk amongst themselves for a while then leave. No worry most people here can see through their scam. [End]

You forgot to mention...113 by zoho 13 mon 2,803

You forgot to mention the protective effect of the sickle cell gene common to many Africans. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?114 by Harry777 13 mon 2,937

If you are suffering from depression, I would test for Pyroluria before attempting anything else. I had all sorts of weird and wonderful symptoms including testing positive for Blastocystis Hominis before I discovered I have Pyroluria. It explained everything... ... ... I blog about it now. ... ... pyrolurialife.com ... [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?115 by explorer2009 13 mon 3,002

In strict terms, depression is excess of harmful ”Dryness” ... energy and colon is controlled by this energy. ... ... One of the easiest methods to treat depression of ... any origin is heating nails of both index fingers, first right then left, all over the surface, by 3 incense sticks tied together, holding them perpendicular to nails surface, to have constant pleasant flow of heat, each for ... 1 min. ... [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?116 by Blistering Fate 9 mon 3,643

Woah you can have one good laugh with this thread. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?117 by #461 8 mon 1,944

I would do a parasite cleanse first, then the liver flush. Dr. Clark noted that if you have parasites in your liver, the liver flush could make you feel ill. And I’ve not had to deal with a colon cleanse... I guess some say it helps but I’ve gotten pretty healthy again just dealing with the parasites and getting and keeping my liver clean. :) ... ... Of course this question was asked 5 months ago; I’d hope that you didn’t wait this long to do something, and I did notice that you never answered any of the resulting posts. I hope this wasn’t just a joke to you, to see how upset and annoyed you co ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?118 by Histopathlab 7 mon 1,910

You need to self confidence first and set your mind for only positive things do not think about negative things. [End]

Magnesium chloride instead of epsom salts? by azala 14 mon 716

Can you use magnesium chloride/ magnesium oil instead of Epsom Salts/ magnesium sulphate for the liver flush? ... ... If so, in what quantity? ... ... thnx [End]

Squirt

by chinlang 19 mon 2,681

... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wm-WbHyF2g ... ... ... ... Squirt ... ... ... ... I flushed curezone today ... ... To see if it could heal ... ... I focus on the oil ... ... The only thing that’s real ... ... The lemon clears a hole ... ... The old familiar sting ... ... Try to flush it all away ... ... But I remember, everything ... ... ... ... What have I become ... ... My sweetest friend ... ... Bozo big ego, ... ... went away ... ... In the end ... ... And you could have it all ... ... My gallbladder of dirt ... ... Lemon will break it down ... ... Oil will make it squirt ... ... ... ... I wear this crown of chanca ... ... Upon my victor’s chair ... ... Full of nonsense threads ... ... I cannot repair ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Squirt by #103531 19 mon 1,970

Pathetic! Get a life! [End]

Re: Squirt by #116107 19 mon 1,851

I agree. This is nothing short of attempting to bait a certain person back into a debate. Juvenile, at best. [End]

Re: Squirt by chinlang 19 mon 1,797

bizzare! what word(s) made you think of a specific person? ... ... a) squirt ... b) ego ... c) bozo ... d) nonsense ... e) ? ... ... no wonder we can’t have a logical debate here. i could write ”passing gas” and someone would come out of the woodwork and claim i am referring to some beloved ”friend”. ... [End]

Re: Squirt by chinlang 19 mon 1,683

what, exactly, set you off? [End]

Re: Squirt by #116107 19 mon 1,658

For someone who can manipulate words with such skill, I find it humorous that you do not think anyone can decipher what the ”poem” is about. It is blatant in it’s intent, and you know it as well as does anyone who reads it. Stop trying to stir up trouble. [End]

Re: Squirt by chinlang 19 mon 1,689

what is my ”poem” about? what is Reznor’s song about? art is open to interpretation. good art causes a reaction. the reaction is often a reflection of the person having the reaction, not the art/artist. ... ... sincerely, ... the artist formerly known as General Chin Lang ... [End]

Re: Squirt by #103531 19 mon 1,691

What did I do? Who am I talking about? Do you really think people here in CZ are that stupid for not knowing what you mean in your ”poem”? Admit it, you’re obsessed about this guy ( not that I can blame you, he’s hot! ). [End]

Re: Squirt by chinlang 19 mon 1,667

http://curezone.com/upload/Liver_Flush/fabio.jpg [End]

Re: Squirt by verysugar 19 mon 1,647

The secret of Fabio’s charm - he regularly flushes his liver!! [End]

Re: Squirt by #103531 19 mon 1,595

Chinlang, ... ... Is that you beside Fabio? just curious......... [End]

Re: Squirt by chinlang 19 mon 1,760

Re: Squirt by #103531 19 mon 1,746

So, you’ve lost a lot of weight. Why not just post your weight loss success rather than this obsessive poems. That would be a more positive contribution than this. [End]

Re: Squirt by chinlang 18 mon 1,996

Dear curezone, ... ... I’ve lost a lot of weight! So, I figured, why not just post my weight loss success, rather than bad ol’ poetry. This would be a much more positive contribution to curezone than posting pictures of Fabio. I lost many pounds of useless, uneducated fat. I drank an oil/lemon mixture on October 10th, at about 10 PM, and awoke a new man. I like to call it the Webmaster Flush. I feel amazing! ... ... Thank you curezone, ... The Artist formerly known as General Chin Lang ... [End]

Re: Squirt by sundragon 19 mon 1,671

hey chinlang, ... ... you are a very witty guy and you always make me laugh + it is one of my favorite tunes ( especially NIN and 7DUST version ). ... ... keep ’em coming. [End]
- Re: Squirt by chinlang 19 mon 1,697
  
  http://curezone.com/upload/Liver_Flush/own.jpg [End]

Liver stones are real and here's the proof

by paraboy 19 mon 5,849

... ... Liver stones are real and here is a picture of cirrhosis of the liver to prove it. ... ... Can u see all those little green stones trapped in the liver due to the scarring? ... ... When flushed over 1200 stones out of my gallbladder and liver, I had a few tan, hard and hollow stones. Obviously, they couldn’t have been created from olive oil. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Thanks, ... ... Paraboy ... [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof RR by sundragon 19 mon 4,345

if you digress from the assertion that these are real stones, just for the fun of it, and put emphasis on, does liver flush really improve health or not, new door is open. ... ... when I first came to the CZ in late 04 I was sick like a dog and desperate and doubtful that I’d ever find the cure for my state of being. ... ... like all the newcomers, and I am pretty confident when I say so, first thing I came across was Hulda Clark liver and gullbladder flush. it costs next to nothing, and it’s promising, so I gave it a go. ... ... I’ve done 25 or 26 of them all together and expelled about 1200-1300 ston ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof RN by verysugar 19 mon 4,112

I just woke up but will attempt to make a few random points: ... ... ... Given the quantity and texture of ’stones’ expelled by so many of us, they can’t all be true gallbladder stones ... ... Irrespective of the site of origin of these ’stones’, the flush consistently provides numerous health benefits. For me, these included increased energy, a stronger appetite, an improved ability to react emotionally in a calm way, much better skin (far less oily and less inflamed), and the removal of parasites. ... ... When I met my girlfriend 3 years ago she was suffering from frequent ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by Dquixote1217 19 mon 3,811

"Performing a liver flush is a horrible experience - sore butt, dry mouth, nausea, awful epsom salt drinks etc" ... ... Yeah, I have noticed a few sore butts hanging around liver flush forums . . . ... ... ... ... What I have always said is: Who cares what the stones are, or what percentage of them are made up of whatever - if they work, and they obviously do for a very great many people, that is what is most important to me. ... [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by peachteach 19 mon 3,645

The liver acts like a filter filtering out the toxins to protect your body. When you do a liver flush you are removing the toxic buildup (some of it with one flush) so not doing a colonic afterwards will lead to having the toxins that were released from the liver travel through your blood stream which makes all of the symptoms you were explaining. It isn’t fun having those toxins travel through your body so a colonic or some sort of colon cleanse is VERY important. [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by chinlang 19 mon 3,386

apple fiber helps. other binders (pectin, clay, chlorella, charcoal, etc.) may too. [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by msteve666 19 mon 3,594

3 stone free flushes is, at best, arbitrary. I went 5, after which they started up again. [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by sundragon 19 mon 3,513

it may well be, but this is just my story and how I went about with liver flushing. ... ... today I know what to do, so I can liver flush on daily basis and I know which foods to eat so they wouldn’t form, but I’m not saying that you’re doing anything wrong or that you should do it my or any other way, or that any of this is fake. ... ... no, you are the one who knows the best what’s good for you. [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by msteve666 19 mon 3,450

Nothing argumentative or conflicting, here. Nothing right or wrong. Just want it noted, from my experience, that 3 clean flushes isn’t necessarily time for a victory declaration. [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by paraboy 19 mon 3,567

Hi Sundragon, ... ... congrats on your cures! ... ... My belief is that we bring our cars in to get the filters changed because they can’t clean them, so why don’t we clean our own body’s filters? ... ... Clean the body’s filters and our body will cure what ever ails us. ... ... Yes, the Moreless PH protocol is genius and both the best and easiest way, as well as, cheap, way to cure anything over a long term. ... ... We eat diets that are not designed for our body’s and this is what causes them to get sick and attacked by foreign invaders, especially, vaccines. ... ... The theory of why we have stones is that liver flu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by sundragon 19 mon 3,372

hey paraboy, ... ... couldn’t agree with you more. [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by chinlang 19 mon 3,445

it is of no importance if the flushes improve health. the only thing that matters is the origin of and the exact composition of stones. lets not get side-tracked by happy people who have regained their health. life is short; lets spend the time we have, fighting over bowel movements. ... [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by chinlang 19 mon 3,431

liver flushes don’t work. liver stones are not real. there is no such organ as the liver. this is not curezone. i know more than you, nanny nanny boo boo. and Elvis is alive. ... ... good thread. a flush stimulates the normal actions of the biliary system. people who don’t have bile stasis gravitate toward eating what? fat. because it makes them feel good. ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvpV9p0ywg ... [End]

Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by verysugar 19 mon 3,502

one of my favourite songs .... [End]
Re: Liver stones are real and here's the proof by paraboy 19 mon 3,422

ROFLMAO !! ... ... ... [End]

Announcement of Surrender

by chinlang 19 mon 2,214

Fecal Suds Forces surrendered unconditionally on October 11, 2011. Hostilities in the Liver Flush Debate Forum ended officially at one minute past midnight, October 10, 2011. Yesterday morning at 2:41 a.m. at General Chin Lang Headquarters, General Liverplug, the representative of the Fecal Suds High Command, and Grand Admiral Melancholia, the designated head of the Fecal State, signed the act of unconditional surrender of all Fecal land, sea, air, and toilet forces in the Liver Flush Debate Forum to the Allied Stone Expulsionary Forces, and simultaneously to the Hepatocyte High Command. L ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by Cargoshorts66 19 mon 1,693

... ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by #103531 19 mon 1,711

Chinlang, ... ... Based on the manner you write your post, you are very immature. Your sarcasm and verbal bullying is very disturbing. I believe this is why all this fight began in the first place, because of people like you. IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT LIVER FLUSH AND LIVER FLUSH DEBATE FORUM you wouldn’t write in this manner. You should be genuinely happy that there would be peace and quiet around here after a long time. Or are you trying to get a reaction from Hv again and start all over again? Please let us have peace. ... [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by chinlang 19 mon 1,617

Number, ... ... Based on the manner in which you wrote your post, you do not appreciate humor. You viewing humor as verbal bullying is somewhat disturbing. I believe this is why World War II began in the first place, because of numbers like 103531. IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT freedom AND humor you wouldn’t write in this manner. You should be genuinely happy that there would be humor and victory around here after such a long time. Or are you trying to invade Poland and start all over again? Please let us have humor. ... ... General Chin Lang ... Allied Stone Expulsionary Forces ... [End]

Re: more hilariousness by wombat 19 mon 1,596

don’t stop [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by wombat 19 mon 1,632

I’m going through all of your pasts posts now seeking a good chortle. Don’t want to put any pressure on you but... don’t stop. please!!! ... ... [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by chinlang 19 mon 1,588

wombat, i must warn you. based on detailed post analysis by a non-prime number: i am very immature, sarcastic, and a verbal bully. my posts are very disturbing, up there with david cassidy’s mullet. people like me are the reason why bad things happen. i have also failed to be genuinely happy that there is peace and quiet around here. but, to make amends, i wish to apologize for all the bad things that have happened here in the past, might happen here in the future, and to all the grouchy people who think their livers aren’t plugged. [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by wombat 19 mon 1,487

David Cassidy had a shag, not a mullet~! lol... [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by Dquixote1217 19 mon 1,620

Now that is some funny sh . . ., er fecal matter you have been posting. ... ... Myself, I think the place could use a bit of lightening up after the recent war. ... ... And who sez you’re immature, anyway? ... ... ... ... General Chin Lang, Allied Stone Expulsionary Forces ... [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by #69242 19 mon 1,593

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45CHLPg39Kg [End]

Re:hilarious :) n/m by wombat 19 mon 1,548

Re:hilarious :) n/m by #103531 19 mon 1,549

Chinlang, ... ... I’m sorry I didn’t get your humor. Affixing the word fecal/feces referring to a person is not even funny. that’s what I mean with verbal bullying. It is very degrading. I’m a mother of four and I won’t allow my kids to talk this way. ... ... Wombat, please don’t cheer this on. And yes, I would stop because you seem to be getting pleasure from this. Again, let us have peace,ok? Take care. [End]

Re:hilarious :) n/m by Rocky53 19 mon 1,507

Oh, come on! Lighten up. Even if Chinlang’s post was directed at me I’d still laugh. It’s funny! [End]
- Re:hilarious :) n/m by tiger1959 19 mon 1,481
  
  No, not really. [End]

Re:hilarious :) n/m by chinlang 19 mon 1,536

Number, ... ... I’m sorry I didn’t get your debating logic. If you can show me the sentence where I affixed the word fecal in reference to a specific person, I will apologize to them... but avoid them, as I don’t associate with dung. I was in no way trying to degrade or bully anyone, especially not anyone held is such high esteem that you immediately think of them when someone types the word fecal. I am not a mother of four, but if I were, I wouldn’t allow my kids to post on CureZone as a number that wasn’t prime... no offense. ... ... Wombat, please stop getting pleasure from posts at CureZone. Thi ... [retrieve this message]

Re:hilarious :) n/m by wombat 19 mon 1,449

I apologize for lol-ing at a really funny post! [End]

Re: Announcement of Surrender by #69242 19 mon 1,521

OMG dude, I’m rolling on the floor. ;-) [End]

Liver Flush Debate Forum Status by Webmaster 19 mon 1,086 Webmaster Support / Liver Flus

Several people have been banned from The Liver Flush Debate Forum. ... ... Those were posters who more then once turned to personal attacks. ... Some posters have been banned from all debate forums, when it was clear that it is in everyones best interest. ... Some message threads have been deleted or moved to personal conflicts forum. ... ... Hopefully, all this will flush the forum from negative comments and leave it open up to those who are interested in debating The Liver Flush. ... ... Webmaster [End]

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