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parasite phobia by EB2340 28 days 142 Parasites Debate / Hulda Clar / Facts and / 4 / 5

I have been attempting to post on this board ddesdpite my posts being censored because some on this board think they own the rights to what is posted her. Those that go about thinking they have parasites and must ride them selves of the vicious beast that are eating them from the inside out are little more than obsessive and go about it in the wrong way be ingesting of all things wormwood which is far more dangerous than any parasite. The problem is not the parasites the parasites are a symptom of something else not the problem. Parasites exist in all bodies to some degree and is only when ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...

/37 1 by natway 4 mon 1,242 Parasites Debate / Hulda Clar / Questionin / 4 / 5 / 6

Guess I’m going to have to be the bad guy again. ... ... FrightenedOne, look how all the lab reports came back as: ... ... ”In September of 2012, my older brother got a dog from a local pet store. Only a week later, we discovered a huge, live roundworm after he vomited. Sure enough, I was experiencing symptoms of roundworms soon, and went to several doctors. ... ... This is an interesting thing about my story--I have done 3 stool samples for this doctor and one for a specialist since, and all have come back negative. I actually scooped in what looked like hundreds of whole worms in each sample, and my Go ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...2 by cologirl 4 mon 892

You’ve got some nerve, Natway...this is a problem that affects more than just FrightenedOne. My stool tests have all come back negative too, but there is no mistake about what I’m seeing (and I have posted pics, thank you). My husband, who was skeptical at first, is now pushing for me to get this taken care of because he’s seen the product several times now...so again, you’ve got a lot of nerve assuming that this is psychological. For SHAME... [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...3 by #154965 4 mon 812

Just ignore him, cologirl. ... ... He is probably looking for a new forum where he can harass people. Nobody answers him at the adrenal fatigue forum anymore. ... ... I think he is some kind of lonely guy looking for attention. Sad. ... ... And he clearly has no clue about parasites at all. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...4 by RONBN49 57 days 321

the body has a natural defense against parasites few realize. its called stomach acid. antacids are destroying health since high stomach acid is rare while low acid is common, with both having the same symptoms.it is this acid that destroys parasites before they do damage as they enter the body, and those that treat their low stomach acids with tums etc, are those that get parasites. few seem to connect these problems or are even aware of this fact. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...5 R by natway 4 mon 895

I was addressing her case, not yours, and I didn’t say this is the same situation as the rest of you. She specifically said she has a deep fear of bugs and worms and that all her lab tests came back negative, which adds to evidence that her deep phobia may be causing her situation. If that’s the case, my thoughts on her situation may save her any further agony of not finding the answer and wasting who knows how much time and money chasing her tail from a probable misdiagnoses, so I find it very offensive you coming in here attacking me like that. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...6 by sd2345 4 mon 798

The original poster described a real situation, with enough detail to enable me to follow her story, her treatment, progress, and believe her story. I also understand her fear. ... ... I have no clue why the above post received an R Rating. ... ... The one thing members who come to this forum do not need is to be told that their fear of bugs is manifesting a parasite situation. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...7 by dpk 4 mon 780

I agree, I don’t believe it’s in the best interest of this forum to have Natway constantly condoning medical tests that belittles the merits of a person’s infection. I sincerely believe Natway has never had a parasite infection or personally knows how terrifying one can be. Also, how hopeless a person can feel when they are rejected from the medical community which relegates them to self treatment. ... ... His comments only incite anger and resentment. I also don’t feel that it’s appropriate for him to write me privately dissuading me of a parasite infection and linking cdc website informatio ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...8 by hopinso 4 mon 760

I am giving this post an R because this is someone who needs counseling not pity. At this point whether or not the worms are real or not is moot. This young woman is obsessed with worms to the point she cannot function. Please seek help beyond the slight chance there are still some remaining worms. This goes beyond ”OCD”, it is controlling your life. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...9 by sd2345 4 mon 758

Honestly, she does not seem to have come here with a paranoid fear of worms. She stated very clearly that she just wanted to tell her experience, and get it off her chest. She did not seek, nor ask psycological counseling regarding whether her parasite issue was real, in my opinion. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...10 by hopinso 4 mon 761

Go back and actually read the post. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...11 by sd2345 4 mon 777

I did. Just because someone writes in an excited style, does not mean they have emotional issues. I don’t like bugs or worms either. ... ... I said what I felt, I think it’s wrong to condone that type of response here, let alone give it a gold star. People are usually here on this forum who have not been taken seriously elsewhere. ... ... If you are our new moderator, just so you know I’m not trying to argue. ... ... The subject of parasites is a touchy one. Guess you would have had to experience doctors, tests, family, all telling you that you couldn’t have parasites to understand why it’s important ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...12 by hopinso 4 mon 759

Just for the record I passed an 18 inch long tapmeworm clean and intact, (not encdased in stool) during an enema. So I do know about dealing with parasites. The problem was dealt with and life went on. I won’t bore y’all with the details of a cure; enjoy your dramas. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...13 by sd2345 4 mon 721

Wow. A while back I read some of your old post, you seemed like a nice lady. It’s really awful of you to say that to me, I didn’t create or enjoy any DRAMA. ... ... I am better too, now I just try to help support others. I’m not replying further. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...14 by hopinso 4 mon 730

I apologize if I misjudged you. I’ll leave these forums and let business go on as usual. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...15 by #154965 4 mon 743

Natway created the drama. That’s what he does, not only in this forum. ... ... The OP titled the posting ”Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I am.” ... ... Natway has no experience and no clue about parasites. Why did he even answer? ... ... And his comment was rated ”R”? Very bad judgement by the moderator. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...16 by #154965 4 mon 754

Exactly. Plus this ”natway” person did express what he thinks about parasites in general. He answered me in a similar way on another forum. Claiming it was basically an imagined disease because the CDC says it was very rare, yada yada.... He can post on the parasites debate forum about this. ... He has no personal experience and goes by what he read somewhere. Probably the same as the doctors the OP dealt with. I think she wanted to talk to people who have actual experience. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...17 by AngelofEventide 4 mon 704

I have been deathly sick for 17 years, and I have been definitively diagnosed with Lyme and a host of other issues and I can assure you that I am deathly afraid of my own body as well, because I cannot escape my own personal hell. It is not a phobia, more like PTSD from all the emotional trauma losing nearly 2 decades of my life to it. What she needs is support, not someone trying to come off as another doctor who doesn’t believe her. And for the record, all my stool samples came back negative as well, but my saliva tested positive for roundworm and I have passed them not only in my sto ... [retrieve this message]

Moderator needs to explain why "R" message and removing the message at s...18 by jameskep37 4 mon 727

What kind of moderator recommends a message and removes it at the same time? Is this a joke or a rude intrusion? ... [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...19 by RONBN49 57 days 348

mistake number one depending on killers in white coats to find cures or problems.if the body is in balance the parasite problem can be corrected without all the supplements being offered for that specific problem.stop the cause and you stop the problem, that goes for candida and all pathogens. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...20 by Penelope101 3 mon 674

Very touching story. I feel for you and unfortunately I don’t have a lot to ad, except that there are probably hundreds of parasites that can infect the human body. I have read that there are only reliable tests for a few of these parasites. Perhaps you have an unusual form of parasite? If you go in for more tests maybe ask them about worms that their test won’t detect? [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...

/37 21 by Jerome99 4 mon 752

”Fears and phobias has a powerful affect on a person’s reality.” ... ... This is nonsense. Just a few months ago a good friend of mine had a serious worm problem, to the point where he was spitting out pieces of tapeworm in addition to seeing them in the toilet. ... ... He went to both a conventional doctor and ’specialist’ and had stool samples taken for parasites. Big surprise, they came back negative. ... ... I told him to forget about the doctor and gave him the leftover Albendazole I had from when I had worms. In a few days he was symptom free. ... ... If you have come in contact with a person or anim ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...22 by natway 4 mon 717

She also mentioned she tried two different drugs to combat what she thinks she has and that didn’t work. I’m trying to objectively look at the evidence of her case. She said she has a severe phobia of things like worms, she said their new puppy vomited up a big worm, and from what I also gather, she’s the only person in her family that starts experiencing symptoms of having worms, but none of the multiple lab tests she took confirmed she has worms. ... ... Is it that way off to believe maybe her severe worm phobia has something to do with this and that’s why she’s the only one in her family t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...23 R by natway 3 mon 631

I can’t believe no one else addressed the fact that the OP expressed that before all this happened to her, she had a deep phobia of worms. ... ... I’m starting to sense that a lot of people here thinking they have parasites are also victims of phobias, a real and serious health issue, and that would explain perfectly well why so many have expressed that all their tests come back negative and why no treatments for parasites ever seem to work. ... ... Not saying this is what’s happening with all here who think they have parasites but their test all come back negative, but probably more than people rea ... [retrieve this message]

Delusional Parasitosis24 by hopinso 3 mon 646

Delusional Parasitosis is a recognized mental illness. I would never presume to judge who has this illness and who does not. However there are people who go from doctor to doctor and get massive doses of dangerous medicines and never feel they are ”cured”. There are almost always quacks who will tell them what they want to hear for a price. [End]

Re: Delusional Parasitosis25 by natway 3 mon 657

Makes sense seeing a lot of people on here that seem to have been chasing their tails forever with constant negative tests and no improvement. I see a lot of people even describe feeling crawling sensations. I don’t think all who don’t really have parasites are suffering from a psychological condition. I think a lot have been misdiagnosed with other physical conditions like liver disease which is becoming epidemic. ... ... ... Delusional parasitosis, also known as Ekbom’s syndrome,[1] is a form of psychosis whose victims acquire a strong delusional belief that they are infested with parasites, ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Delusional Parasitosis26 by hopinso 3 mon 611

I was the opposite. Being a ”proper” Southern lady I would never have believed I had parasites. However, I passed an 18 inch tapeworm after an enema. After crying and shaking all night I went to my naturopath and got treatment. I know parasites are very real, from pinworms as a kid to the tapeworm as an adult, I have dealt with them in the past and may again in the future. But, when parasites become an obsession counseling may be the best medicine. We must have compassion on these people; whether or not the parasites are real, the suffering is. [End]

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Re: Delusional Parasitosis28 by natway 3 mon 701

Show an example of me antagonizing. I get so many of you who don’t like me twisting what I’ve said or done and insulting me. That’s why I can’t take the likes of you serious. ... ... My AF was diagnosed by a doctor and confirmed with lab tests and I developed it during my diet high in meat and fat, low in fruit. Nothing I have or had has been a self-diagnosis. ... ... Have you gotten your Liver Flukes self-diagnosis confirmed by a doctor and lab tests yet? ... ... I never suggested yours or anyone else’s Liver Flukes self-diagnosis was some sort of mental delusion. I said it’s extremely rare for huma ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...29 by RONBN49 57 days 306

if you do not want worms do not bring any filthy beasts into your life. if you see one do not touch it or even get near it. otherwise you get what you deserve for consorting with filthy beasts and those that own filthy beasts. proven fact dog owners have more arthritis than those that do not own the filthy barking beasts, and that is just one example. why people feel the need to care for these beasts is a mystery to me. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...30 by angelo101 48 days 292

looooooooooooooool, man every time I read a post by you I just crack up laughing. I think u mite actually be mental to be honest. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...31 by RONBN49 48 days 241

I think you may need a dog or a cat to sleep on your chest at night. If you bring an animal into your home expect parasites to follow since pets eat almost anything. Yes I think that’s just what you need. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...32 by #137170 47 days 215

Ronbn, ... I enjoy your postings. Some of them carry some really good knowledge that I can use and some of them are just plain funny. You have a brute force way of expressing yourself and I have no problem with it. I may not agree with everything that you say but I sure feel like you have the right to say it and if I don’t want to read anything else that you have to write, I just won’t click on your name and read your postings. But that won’t happen for a long time.....you are who you are and I would not want to see you change that for anyone. I’m listening, don’t stop educating. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...33 by RONBN49 47 days 244

Thank you for your kind words. Since I have no friends, no family and despise much of humanity I spend much of my time searching for health secretes and am happy to share that information with those that want to know the truth and at the same time am willing to tell others my opinion of their stupid and disgusting behavior and ideas. People that are content to have filthy beasts in bed with them and to feed wild animals that were perfectly able to survive before some fat disgusting two legged pig decided to feed them. People that think doctors actually care about health as they ingest dead ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...34 by konstantine 48 days 249

Some may argue that you are a disgusting filthy beast harbouring bacteria, viruses and parasites. ... ... As for the study showing dog owners have a higher incidence of arthritis please publish the results of those studies. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...35 by RONBN49 47 days 236

If you are not aware of the things animals do then you are really in trouble as indicated by your ranting post.Go ahead give poochy a kiss, and let poochy lick you and in the meantime when kitty crawls up in your face and nudges you close up beware of the parasites and other creatures kitty cat leaves there. Are you insane? Don’t you know what these filthy beats do? An lover no doubt. I have found most animal lovers are people haters. Now GFY and go treat your festering parasite problem with some drugs so the planet can soon be rid of your filth. [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...36 by konstantine 45 days 217

My point is that you, my fellow human being are a filthy parasite on the earth’s back. You harbour bacteria, viruses, fungi and many parasites. ... ... Would it be safe to assume that humans beings are the main form of disease transmission to other humans? ... ... [End]

Re: Made an account to talk to some people who are experiencing what I a...37 by RONBN49 44 days 367

those that know health and are really healthy realize the germ is nothing and the terrain is everything. i fear no bacteria fungus or parasites because i know the secret that i have attempted to share with the eternally ignorant such as yourself my sensitive immune compromised friend.we all harbor all kinds of living creatures in our bodies and there is nothing we can do about it. they are there all the time,just eating away.the secret is balance and control, when one is out of balance and an emotional wreck such as you things go out of balance and start sneezing up worms and such as they ... [retrieve this message]

Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.

/33 1 by natway 5 mon 1,371 Parasites Debate / Hulda Clar / Zapper Deb / 4 / 5 / 6

I know some of you won’t like this post, but I’m posting it anyways to hopefully prevent a lot of you from going down a similar wrong path that I went down. ... ... For years I spent tons of money on different kinds of doctors and on every supplement out there and even a couple of cleanses said to help my illness, but they never worked and I slowly got worse and worse because I WAS MISDIAGNOSED and the diet I happened to be told would help me was actually the cause and that’s why nothing would ever work. After changing to the right diet (high carb/low fat in my case), I was cured within a wee ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.2 by thathippieguy 5 mon 1,041

That’d be nice ... ... But it’s simply not that easy, Lab samples are HIGHLY inaccurate. It’s ridiculous. ... ... My cousin works in the ER department and tells me all the time about how they never can catch the eggs or ova of parasites until the patient is admitted into the hospital and a stool sample taken EVERY DAY for at least a week, for at least a good CHANCE of catching them. ... ... What standard stool sample kit does this? ... ... None. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.3 by natway 5 mon 1,014

But if they are visible to see in your toilet, should be really easy to scoop a sample of it up. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.4 by thathippieguy 5 mon 968

You would think that right? ... ... I sent out worms to a lab, and they verified that these were worms, but, dead. Since they were dead, they could not identify them because, when alive, they excrete certain things, and that’s how they identify them ... ... They are terrible at treating parasites and worms. They just have no clue 90% of the time [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.5 by natway 5 mon 936

Well at least they identified them as worms, so you know you’re probably on the right track. That’s all I’m trying to get people to make sure about. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.6 by thathippieguy 5 mon 973

I understand you’re reasoning ... ... It is good to make sure you are not seriously paranoid, because that CAN make your imagination run wild, as nuts as it sounds ... ... Though, when you are actually dealing with the infection, that you KNOW are worms, and somebody doubts you, it hurts your heart! It’s very frustrating! ... ... Safety first! I know at least for myself, i would NOT be using pharma drugs if I didn’t know it was there! Those things are extreme! ... ... Happy Holidays! ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.7 by whkim2010 5 mon 865

you wouldn’t be able to see unless you actually try some parasite cleanse for actually 2 months (it was my case) ... but you know, we can not just wait on doctor to save us from our illness. we need to move deligently and try many possible things and finally we can find right track. I think it is worth to try. the bible says ask, and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you” May God have mercy on whom seek and knock. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.8 by natway 5 mon 1,066

I agree you need to be in control of your health, but if you go down the wrong path of treatment, what good does that do? ... ... I only started this thread because from what I notice here, a LOT of people think they have parasites/worms/flukes/etc and seems like they try every method to get rid of them but can’t seem too. A logical explanation is that they really don’t have parasites or the like. That’s why I’m urging people to get a sample if they think they see something in the toilet just to confirm it really is something. It’s only common sense. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.9 by #154886 5 mon 868

You ate some bananas for a few weeks and now thousands of people who have been cleansing parasites since curezone started are all delusional. ... ... And your best advice if someone finds a parasite is to ’get it checked out’. ok dude, have fun in that reality you live in. ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.10 by natway 4 mon 663

Did you get your flukes confirmed by a doctor or lab yet? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.11 R by #155216 4 mon 747

this is more bs from you nat. ... ... you read a book about fruit and suddenly you think that you have reached the top of the mountain. ... ... then you read? or heard from a doctor? that flukes are not common in the west, jesus, have you read the multiple hundreds of people on curezone who have flukes, tapes, and all sorts of other parasites? is everyone lying? ... ... so why don’t you be ’congruent’ as your guru doug says. ... if you are going to follow the AMA lie that flukes are not common in the west, then also follow their dietary advice. you can’t just pick and choose philosophies and then try to pa ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.12 by natway 5 mon 888

”I sent out worms to a lab, and they verified that these were worms, but, dead. Since they were dead, they could not identify them because, when alive, they excrete certain things, and that’s how they identify them” ... ... Something about this is making me think the lab is jerking you around. I’ve never heard some worms had to be identified by their excretions. Sounds like they are saying many worms look alike under a microscope, but are actually different. Even if true, wouldn’t seem to matter about which treatments to use to rid them if they are the same class of worms. ... ... Did the lab giv ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.13 by sklila 3 mon 650

I think we are forgetting that not all parasites are visible to the eye. The microscopic kind are even more dangerous, now imagine some guy in a lab getting $15/hour going through human crap looking for eggs all day....I don’t think they enjoy their job enough to give a 2nd look. How the hell would you distinguish one parasite egg from another? I passed some parasites with a SWC, and sent them to the dr to get tested...results negative!!! Like they always are. These were parasites, they were not food particles! We all have parasites, it’s a matter of how our immune system handles ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.14 by natway 3 mon 664

”I personally finally found a lab that picked something” ... ... I want to make sure I understand you, did you mean that lab confirmed a diagnoses of a parasite? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.15 by sklila 3 mon 577

Yes a lab found an amoeba and h. Pylori infection, I hade to use a lab outside Canada and will be going to see Cahill in NY. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.16 by natway 3 mon 602

That’s good you got it verified by a lab. That’s what I’m urging everyone to do. Why don’t you just go to your local doc and get a prescription for an amebicide? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.17 by sklila 3 mon 585

I could only wish it was that easy, the doctors I have seen, including so called parasite specialists will only go by the labs in Canada, they will want to verify the US lab results with a lab here which will undoubtably be negative. I’ve tried the guessing game and it hasn’t been successful, I managed to get my liver enzymes back to normal but other symptoms are still draining me. I hope Cahill won’t be a waste of time, I’m spending a lot of money and time to make the trip to NY. Wish me luck! [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.18 by natway 3 mon 662

Of course I wish you the best of luck. Just a little worried you’re trying too hard to find a lab to give you the results you want and then going out of your way to be treated by a doc all too happy to charge you a high ”specialist” fee and to sell you a bunch of products to take. ... ... Not saying this to get you down, but to look after you if you know what I mean. Let us know how it goes. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.19 by cologirl 3 mon 535

So how did it go Sklila? I’m dying to know since my next step is to see him (I live in NY though)... ... ... Anxiously awaiting your results... ... ... thanks! [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.20 by sklila 3 mon 538

Hi Colorgirl, just confirmed my appointment for this coming Monday, will post my findings, unfortunately it will have to wait till the end of next week before I can post here. Since my family is coming with me, I want to make a mini vacation out of it. It’s a long drive for me to NYC (Toronto, Canada), i am just as anxious lol, but have been let down so many times by so called ”experts”. Hope this one will be different and get my issues resolved. ... ... Kal [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.

/33 21 by cologirl 3 mon 553

Awesome. Can’t wait to hear how it went. Have a nice mini-vacation! ... ... Jess [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.22 by sklila 3 mon 497

Ok I was able to call in and get the diagnosis....the recepitionist said you have an amoeba infection, EH. Will post more later when I get home. It seems that is a common diagnosis, waiting to see copies of the report. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.23 by natway 3 mon 516

I have to ask, is that lab connected to Cahill? ... ... ... ”Amebiasis is an infection of the gastrointestinal system. It is not common in Canada, and occurs more often in parts of the world where there is poor sanitation, such as in Mexico, Central America, western South America, southern Asia and western and southern Africa. Travelers to these areas are at risk of becoming infeced, if they do not take precautions with food and drinking water.” ... http://dsol-smed.phac-aspc.gc.ca/dsol-smed/ndis/diseases/amoe-eng.php ... ... ... I would take your lab results to a doctor in Canada for confirmation just to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.24 by sklila 3 mon 535

Man I have had just about every test in Canada. They can’t explain why I feel like crap, why my blood results are messed up, why I have Charcot-Leyden crystals and white blood tests in my stool. Is the lab connected to Cahill, yes I believe he does it himself, he did the mucus scraping and a blood test. I will be the first to say that he doesn’t follow the regular protocols, I would expect a doctor to spend more time, going over your symptoms and concerns, but then again in Canada you are lucky if you get 10 minutes after waiting 1-2 hours for your doctor. Natway I travel a lot,mo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.25 by JesseCured 73 days 381

... ... I heard the same thing from South American Doctors who deal with parasite problems all the time. Said it takes NUMEROUS stool samples and then you may not catch them. They also said that in North America the labs aren’t as good, don’t test for as many different species as they do in South America. Said that there are thousands of different species. Said that if you carry the parasite problem back to the states you may NEVER get cured. My ex worked in the Amazon. Everyone got parasites. I got parasites, but never went into the jungle, just the altiplano areas. Had been fighting ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.26 by natway 3 mon 493

dpk, ... ... If you are still open to discuss your health struggles and by chance I could offer some direction, I’m here to listen and help. Sometimes it’s good to have an outside set of eyes look at it, free of the bias and influence of others going through your same struggles. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.27 by sklila 89 days 449

I’m always open natway, after all that is what curezone is all about :) [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.28 by natway 89 days 482

Hi skilla, would be happy to continue to assist you! Fill me in on the latest in the other sub-thread we were chatting. Going to leave this sub-thread for dpk. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.29 by JrDavis 88 days 489

You’re going to use the CDC as valuable data? ... ... You would honestly take CDC’s advice than to try and combat a disease on your own? ... ... Flukes are not easy to detect. And I actually passed what I know now was a fluke with my Sota machine. ... ... EM apparently got it to move out. By EM cleansing my blood. Which makes sense since the liver filters it. ... ... ... However no matter how much I changed up my diet (Carb/Low fat) I’m still struggling 132lbs. ... ... I know it’s the flukes, I felt them burrowing into my Liver. It felt like gas/GB attack/cramp. ... ... Maybe that’s why I almost passed out when I got 8 v ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.30 by sklila 88 days 476

JrDavis have you tried Egaten? If you are sure is Flukes, Eagret would knock them out, it is rather expensive though. ... ... Kal [End]
Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.31 by dave505 88 days 532

Hi jr ... i’ve send you a private message - please read it if possible. need help for identification. thanks [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.32 by JesseCured 73 days 651

... You are correct that U.S. doctors aren’t educated enough in this field. I learned about this problem from South American Doctors who handled my ex and his employees when they worked in the Amazon. They ALL got parasites. They then related how U.S. doctors won’t do any good if you go back to the states with the parasite problem because of lack of education and not very good labs. They said you will stay sick cause the labs here don’t test for the thousands of parasites that are out there, they only test for a couple or a few at best. It’s sad that the CDC numbers are so skewed making ... [retrieve this message]

What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?

/118 1 by Katie66 13 mon 4,733 Parasites Debate / Liver Flus / Questionin / 4 / 5 / 6

My question is pretty self explanatory. I’m trying alternative treatments to help with my depression. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?2 by propaul 13 mon 4,037

Hi Katie66. ... ... Colon, parasite then liver ... ... Propaul ... ... [End]
- Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?3 by mango2010 5 mon 1,130
  
  Please don’t spread such non sense! [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?4 by Michael B 13 mon 3,722

Hey, I think it should be colon, liver, and then parasite, for the reason that sometimes during a parasite cleanse you can kill off liver parasites as well. If you have biliary obstruction, then the dead liver parasites have no pathway of elimination and will make you sick. You don’t want dying parasites stuck in your liver when the herxheimer reaction kicks in, [End]

Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about liver cl...5 by shrimpy123 13 mon 4,496

Katie, I think the advice you are receiving is nonsense by people who know nothing, and who are still sick, and do not know what they have. Read my message below about ”not trusting sick people”; http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1928315#i; people here do not know what they are talking about; liver cleansing does not kill parasites, and if you have parasite in liver, that is deadly, and it need to be detected by a doctor who does mucus scraping, which most doctors, even so-called parasite specialsist do not perform. I already told you that some of these people will tell you nonsense, and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...6 by socalgrl 13 mon 3,771

"Go see the doctor I recommended to you. Cleanses will not help; forget about this natural junk.....; you will never kill a parasite with that." ... ... Shrimpy123, I’m confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...7 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,590

Shrimpy123, I’m confused, then why are you here at CureZone in the first place? The reason most people come to CureZone is because they WANT a natural cure.” ... ... Well, I came in despration, not because there was one of two people who posted their true cures. And I am trying to help people, as oppsoed recommend things that will not work. Of course you are free to do whatever you want, but one has to be resposible when one says that this or that cleanse can kill parasites in the liver, which is nonsense. It will not kill parasites. And they will not go away with natural cures. If you have par ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...8 by judyj01 13 mon 3,604

I agree with Michael. The traditional format if you are somewhat healthy is ... ... -colon ... -kidneys ... -parasites ... -liver ... -blood/lymph ... ... However, if your badly congested, can’t tolerate fatty foods, intolerant to alcohol, allergies, food sensitivities, etc, your liver is probably pretty congested and can’t tolerate killing mass parasites at this time. The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already). I don’t know wh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...9 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,362

You need to read what I wrote and understand that I am saying if you think you have ”parasites” and have the symptoms I did, you should suspect what I had.... ... ... I have sent several people on this forum --which is the parasite forum I am on--to the wonder doctor who found in them E. Histolytica. Missed by so many labs and stool tests done by iugnorant doctors. They were not helped by natural things, and have been deadly illl for years; what do you say to these people who have had no help from anthing else. ... ... Katie;s message is posted on the ”parasite” forum, and this grants that she susp ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...10 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,367

The right course for me is cleansing the kidneys/liver for a few months and in between start more agressively start adressing parasites. Also helpful is to address emotions/energetic issues (maybe you have done this already)” ... ... This is such an irresponsible thing to say; so are you saying that this all in the head? While the patient suffers. Do you know that Pharama cmpnies in the last few decades precisely support this kind of link between brain and the gut, while ignoring the real killers that attach the body and escape detection. Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of par ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...11 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,323

I have to support Shrimpy here ... ... I got very ill, first I went to a long series of incompetent doctors (yes even most infection specialists are incompentet on some very important parasites, they do not read the big books or do not follow what they say) ... ... as nop doctor could find out I tried the natural therapies, I tried long series of herbs known to cure paraistes, I tried long series of diets....some of it gave minor improvements... ... ... of course when a paraiste attack your organs (some directly like bowel, and some indirectly by all toxines they create directly or indirectly) then body ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...12 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,204

Exactly man, some of these the natural herapies are a billion dollar industry making people sick, and not HEaling them. Bogus parasite clenases are absolutely unhelpful. There a culture where people eat all kinds of natural things, herbs daily, and still they become infected with deadly parasites like E. Histolytica and die. No herb, no cleansing, no diet, no zapper will kill this. ... ... [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...13 by david1o1 13 mon 3,066

[quote] ... Do you know how many doctors people who are dying of parasites like E. Hitolytica that all their problems are Mental and IBS related, while they are bleeding, and their organs are attacked, and literally eaten alive? ... [/quote] ... ... I have said this many times... ... ... There are people who think that to cleanse the body can kill parasites when it has been shown that it is not true. ... ... Why do you think that wild animals are infected by parasites ? ... They follow primitive living habits and they are infected... ... ... Moreover there is no point trying to cleanse the colon, the liver, the kidney ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...14 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,031

For example Histolytica is described in the big best books to very often actually give lots of micro perforation of bowel wall...the same books says this will cause things inside bowel to leak into other parts of body...it is quite amazing how body for years and years even can withstand this if not leak too big...of course person will feel horrible ... ... Body is amazing at cleaing out anything it do not want...but in such leakege the body has to work hard hard hard.... ... ... of course no matter type of cleansing in such case will be just crap....In best case it will cause a little very short te ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...15 by Mansonella Perstans 8 mon 1,618

I agree. I’m waiting to get into the Clinic at Harborview, the Travelers and Tropical Infectious Disease....my eyes are going, lymph swollen badly...I don’t have time. My organs are affected. ... ... I have Mansonella perstans and my symptoms are severe. Anyone can come into my home and take a look at me. Look at my skin, the lesions, swollen abdomen, and the weight loss... ... ... I couldn’t stand having this crawling under my skin, and the deterioration I see every day for ANY length of time. Keeping anyone on hold like this is sadistic and I find ignorance a poor excuse on the part of the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...16 by Michael B 13 mon 3,010

Thank you, Judy. You are a voice of reason amongst a murky cesspool of ignorance. [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...17 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,104

”they WANT a natural cure. For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse.” ... ... yes you are partly right partly wrong... ... ... Yes most doctors are incompenten on some very important parasistes, both on diangosis and treamtnet. ... ... This do not mean the best medicial science is incompetent. I am not talking about some new fancy break through. I am talkign about test methods well known in books for at least 30 to 40 years...ignored by almost every doctor ... ... I went to many many many incompetent (but among the better ones actually) doctors... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...18 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,017

Exactly man, crooked doctors do not do their own research, because they it is beyond their ”pay time”--but the science is there, which they criminally ignore. As you sucggest, mucus scraping is a practice that the best of the parasitologists did, but now every body becoming a gastro specialists, it has been abandoned, relying on flawed stool tests and their ”golden blood tests”; as result, people who are deadly ill are left to die, assuming that something is wrong with their mind! ... ... ... This is why we need to demand clinical minds, not doctors who have become psychologists! They are crimina ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...19 by david1o1 13 mon 2,907

[quote] ... I luckily have all the big books on infction medicine and have studied them now and then for more than 25 years (actually I think 27 years) ... [/quote] ... ... Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ? ... ... Thanks, [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...20 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,986

”Can you recommend books with useful knowledge about the parasites and the treatments ?” ... ... Naturally, but ... ... 1. Do not treat based on the books yoursefl without diagnosis with doctor following books....The books are mainly helpefull to check out if your doctor know what he do or not... ... ... 2. It is very easy when first reading one or two of these books to just look to match symptoms, unfortunately if you carefully read many of the books you will find many many infections have very overlapping symptoms, many books just mention the most severe late stage symptoms...so the right approach is e ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...

/118 21 by david1o1 13 mon 2,880

Thanks, i will read you post later. ... ... By curiosity, do you use dragon naturally speaking ? Because you are very fast to type ! ;) [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...22 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,895

”By curiosity, do you use dragon naturally speaking ? Because you are very fast to type ! ;)” ... ... No but this is the chinese year of dragon and also 2012 :-) my brain is just quick, sharp and fast as I got rid off all intruders in my body...but now out for a long walk under the beautiful blue sky!! ... ... Enjoy your day folks!! Life is Wonderful Wonderful Wonderful when you just get full health back! [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...23 by healthnik 13 mon 2,905

Hello Tropical Boy ... ... I had a blood transfusion 4 years ago & got someone’s bad blood. I’ve seen a few doctors to discover the cause of my myriad of problems. I’m getting better but there are still problems lingering - I’m currently being treated for H-Pylori & I also tested positive for a ”non-human parasite” (Metametrix test). I noticed others on the forum received this vague diagnosis. The doctor said that he would treat the parasite with a broad spectrum antibiotic after being treated for H-Pylori if I’m still not feeling better. Hmmm ... not feeling confident about this. Sounds ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...24 by kuriousity1111 12 mon 3,127

Hello there Friend, ... I too have had testing done through Metametrix. ... I also tested possitive for a parasite (non-human, as well) of ”unknown etiology”... ... ... My symptoms most resemble Chagas Disease, otherwise known as North American Sleeping Sickness. It is said to be found in blood bank supplies. ... It is a vector borne sickness. Google it if you would like a description. ... ... So I called Metametrix, and told them I had a question about my test results. ... ... I said, ”Did you test for trypanosomiasis in my last batch of tests?” ... ... The woman said ”No.” ... I asked,”Is there any test you have ther ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...25 by jazzydude 13 mon 3,100

For them, most mainstream doctors have done NOTHING to help and in fact have made their condition worse. I am glad you were helped by a doctor, congratulations. But to come here and tell people not to listen to advice others have given them on their journey to wellness is mind boggling. ... ... I have seen many posts mention parasite killing treatments (natural or not) without knowing what parasite or what they are trying to kill. ... This is a BIG problem because such treatments can make the situation much worse! ... ... I think diagnosis should be a priority and I think people should focus on finding ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...26 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,951

wrong dianosis by many doctors will unfortunately often lead to lots of unecessary medication, often just given because doctor want to help, but do not know cause, and give meds to reduce symptoms, then hope body cure itself...(as it luckily often do for many things, but not for all things) ... ... Right diagnosis at early point would save us for lots of medcines, from doctors or natural theraphist....also medical herbs are medical herbs, they are not vitamin herbs or food herbs..... ... ... in a perfect world right diagnose right medicine early on....in real life can take years to find proper docto ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...27 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,040

”Educating Instead of Medicating” ... ... People with deadly parasites ruining their health not diagnosed will just keep coming to doctor, and doctor after doctor, most will at least try some of the symptom meds doctor gives...if more doctors had been properly educated in parasites (very few clearly are) then yes we would save society from so much use of medicines... right diagnose and a short course of right medicine to remove cause of the ill health and then bodies amazing capazity to heal itself is like a miracle to me... The human body (if you not live like crazy unhealthy) has increadible ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...28 by Mansonella Perstans 8 mon 1,918

I agree. Diagnostics is where the failure is. And diagnostics is what I desperately need. And quicker appointments with those with symptoms as bad as I. ... ... I also wish more people that are going to the Infectious Disease Clinics that are supposed to know how to diagnose these, (off the CDC site is how I got in touch with the one at Harborview in Seattle), would post what happens as they go through this. ... ... I will, either way. Either from Harborview, where I am supposed to hear from them in 3-5 business days (you know, they registered me by phone and they ask for your Social Security nu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...29 by Michael B 13 mon 3,078

What entitles you to so freely insult others who have real experience healing themselves and who offer useful advice that would save others years of time and thousands of dollars? Really, what entitles you to so freely fling your harmful opinions around? ... ... My posts about how I have healed myself, my exact protocols, and in fact a lot of really intelligent and well thought out reasoning behind why I recommend such advice is freely available for all to read. People do not need a ”warning” from you; they can think for themselves. ... ... Relating specifically to the posts in question, i actually ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...30 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,904

have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols. ... ... I have been trying to find good labs for parasite tests but they seem hard to find. I wasted a lot of $$ on them. ... Which lab found parasites in your liver? Which parasite was in the liver? Which test did you do? [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...31 by Michael B 13 mon 2,938

I actually didn’t go to any labs for testing. During my fifth liver flush, I ate 10-15 cloves of organic raw garlic everyday in preparation for my flush. I was not intentionally trying to kill any parasites but rather utilizing the garlic for its excellent desluding properties. ... ... Upon completion of the flush I released several stones covered in mycelial candida along with copious volumes of sludgy candida particulate. So in my case, the parasite I released was a fungal parasite, which in my opinion is a lot harder to kill than a fluke, worm, or protozoa. ... ... [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...32 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,901

I actually didn’t go to any labs for testing. During my fifth liver flush, I ate 10-15 cloves of organic raw garlic everyday in preparation for my flush” ... ... Well, I hope you are well, but please stop telling peole who have clue about what they have they get better because of good sex, etc, and this is of course childish advice, and irresponsible, for people who are already shooting in the dark, and suffering without knowing what they are, and trying to treat it through natural means. Jazzy is exactly right. He is an example of how natural things do not work for something deadly like E. His ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...33 by Michael B 13 mon 2,975

Are you seriously going to declare in a public forum where thousands of people have cured themselves naturally that natural healing is childish and irresponsible? ... ... You are Waaaaaay out of line both in your behavior and your ideas and should not be giving advice out to anybody until you deal with your issues. [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...34 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,900

” i actually have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols” ... ... what exactly was the parasite you killed? did you have it confirmed by a leading infection specialist? There is NO way you knew even what you killed or even what you had, if it not was a big tape worm coming out your but, or if you even killed any parasite at all... ... ... Or was it something you see in your stool that looks like this or that. There are lots of psudo-parasites described in the best books on parastitology. Many many objects in the stool that by untrained eye looks very like known parasites, but that can ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...35 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,891

” i actually have killed parasites in my liver using natural protocols” ... ... I agree Tropicalboy. It is amazing that some people make such tall claims! The deadliest parasites are not visible to the naked eye, and ”untrained” people cannot recognize it; and such people are hardly qualified to give advice. Such advice is assumed to work for others who equally have no idea what on earth they have. One needs to have ”clinical” experience to detect parasites and treat them, and so many people on this forum have no clue. The best is to ask probing questions about the exact symptoms and then possi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...36 by Michael B 13 mon 2,904

Your wimpy little anaerobic protozoa would be easily cured by eating 3 cloves of organic raw garlic a day. The parasite I eliminated from my liver, the mycelial form of candida, is infinitely more adaptive, intelligent, and difficult to kill than some wimpy E. Hystolica. ... ... Why pay a doctor thousands of dollars to prescribe you the same ineffective drugs that everyone is already using and not getting any results from? You think people using natural cures haven’t already walked down that dark road in the past? ... ... Have you done a CoQ10 megadose? No. ... Have you tried eating 15 cloves of raw ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...37 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,839

stead of realizing that doctors are full of sh*t and man made medication does not heal you, in fact it actually makes you sick, which is what you SHOULD have concluded, you instead reached the lame conclusion that the answer lies in finding a doctor who does mucus scraping. This is truly sad indeed and shows that you will take your kicking and screaming doctor worshipping victimhood straight with you to the grave, all the while proclaiming what nonsense natural healing is without ever DOING it. ... ... Quite a service you are doing for humanity. Reall” ... ... OF course I regained my life and health ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...38 by Michael B 13 mon 2,785

You are the weakest, whiniest non-westerner to ever disgrace this forum [End]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...39 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,930

”Upon completion of the flush I released several stones covered in mycelial candida along with copious volumes of sludgy candida particulate.” ... ... How on earth did you know it was fungus, many protozoan parasoites are indistingushable from fungus even in microscope if you not are very very well trained? But you knew!! Great you are the miracle man a genius. ... ... How did you know it not was normal flora, almost everyone have candida, but to my knowlede you must look at even candida in good microscope and even there it can be hard to distingusih from other normal funguses if not very well trai ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do not follow these people's advice who are still sick... about live...40 by fred33m 11 mon 3,230

kill the parasites. ... http://www.frequencyrising.com/royalrife_frequencies.htm [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?

/118 41 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,117

Have you ruled out paraistes as I have suggested ... ... This is a protozoan parasite forum. ... ... Several of have been sick for long time....tired even endless natural remedies to little help....yes many natural remedies and diets etc will help polish the symptoms... ... ... First at least go to world leading infection specialists to rule out parasites....most infection specialists not do the necessary steps to rule out an very important parasite that yes can give horrible depressions and many many other horrible symptoms. ... ... I am so happy I met such a docor in the end.....yes a few diets could polish ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?42 by david1o1 13 mon 2,856

[quote] ... My health is back, I basically eat what I want....all types of crap was suggested to me, senistive to enviroment, wifii radiation, food alergy etc etc... ... [/quote] ... ... There are also others causes that can produce diseases symptoms, like dehydration, obstructions, intoxication and that’s why the foods you eat, the habits you follow, the environment you live in are important. ... ... But i agree with you, some parasites can really damage the human body tissues and decrease the efficiency of the elimination and of the selective assimilation of elements. ... [End]

Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 43 by Royal Unicorn 13 mon 3,626

Post below is Triple Recommended RRR: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1584938 [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 44 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,133

While I agree that such nonsensical cleansing will do nothing, I do not think that a clean body can handle parasites! Once a parasite like Histolytica gets hold of it, it is no longer so clean and healthy. It is poisoned from top to bottom. ... ... No diet will, and the person will get sicker and sicker, eventually so many things going wrong, which criminal doctors will consider isolate, such liver problems, kidney disease, pancres inflammation, gold bladder problems, and the doctors will be happy to do surgey and cut out parts of the body..... ... ... you see the mess then that will follow; doctor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 45 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,057

Such flushes can likely give short term symptom improvement in some paraiste infections... ... ... One dangerous parasite according to some of the very best books thick books on parasitology actually describe it can make the gut leak (through micro damage, many microscopic holes caused by the dangerous parasite), so anything in the gastro system will actually be kind of posionos to body at this stage, as it leaks into areas where it not should be...but yes we need food so we cannot stop eating forever, even if also total fast in this stage often also will help short term (symptom treament again ... [retrieve this message]

intestines are as permeable as cheesecloth. potato chips shred more inte...46 by thinker2012 13 mon 2,992

Potato chips rip apart thin permeable intestinal walls far worse and far more often then any known parasites ... [End]

Re: intestines are as permeable as cheesecloth. potato chips shred more ...47 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,995

”Potato chips rip apart thin permeable intestinal walls far worse and far more often then any known parasites” ... ... Where is your evidence? can you show us the study?when you come with such sayings you better have some proof for it... ... ... Is this based on people eating potato chips, then someone has opened their stomach and found damage, or from biopsies....you must be very careful by mixing correlations and causality... ... ... Assume 10 people with horrible stomach problems, biopsies of their intestine all show damage, all of them ate quite regularly potato chips, do this mean potato chips damge ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 48 by garliccures 13 mon 3,014

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day. ... ... The RX meds are always toxic. ... ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... ... Caveat Emptor ... ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 49 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,946

what lab diagnosed you with Histolytica, what doctor? or you did it yourself? ... ... All natural is good...ehh.... I assume you live under a tree in a big forest happy and teleport by your mind to the internet.... ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 50 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,839

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day.” ... ... Phantasy is phantasy; how did you know you have E. hItsolytica? WHo diagnosed it? I ate garlic every day, and so many others do, and they hare not helped. Obviously you do not know that Histolytica is not killed that way. YOu must be the BIG EXCEPTION. The rest of us are really unlukcy to need PROPER medical cure. [End]

"I don't see the big fuss"51 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,876

I don’t see the big fuss. I had E Histolytica back in the 90’s and cured it in 5 days with garlic. Not a big deal. Just munch on some raw garlic every day.” ... ... Obviously you really do not ”understand” at all the seriousness of E. Histolytica. And by the way, are you sure, that you got rid of in 5 days? ... ... And you are perfectly well? Healthy now? If so, what are you doing on this forum? There to offer people your advice on taking garlic. Or are you still ill, assuming that it is from something ”mysterious”? DO you have some constipation, diarrhea, headache, brain fog, skin rashes, hives, ba ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 52 by garliccures 13 mon 2,939

I don’t really get the anger. ... ... If you guys are cured, then congratulations to you. Go forth into the world and prosper. ... Why are you trying to work out issues here? I am not necessarily doubting that you are cured, but it seems like your anger is so over the top that you have some sort of issue still going on. ... ... If you are trying to help people, you have a strange way of doing it with all the vinegar and piss. ... ... FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, and herbal medicine was the de facto standard. The entire Rockefeller medical mafia is about as corrupt as anyt ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 53 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,014

Are you aware that only close to 100% sure diagnose of Histolytica is to find Tropocites with ingested red blood cells.... ... ... Did you know if he only found Entamoeba in stool test sent to lab? Did you even bother to find out, did you ask your doctor, do you even had the knowledge to ask him about this? ... ... If so he almost for sure only found Entamoeba Trophocoytes or Entamoeba cysts... Did you know that these then most likely are the Non-pathogen Entamoeba types you had, it dose not even nee treament.... so then may be garlic worked well. Did you know that at least doctors used to do this ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 54 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,019

”The entire Rockefeller medical mafia is ” ... ... I am sure many people and some people in almost every big family have done good and bad... ... ... was it not the Rockefeller that put a lot of money to clean new york area for malaria....ohh yes this was horrible was it not....becuse everyone could just have stopped eating sugar and slept under open sky in the swamps surounding manhattan... ... ... You are living in utopia, plese check up if you truly had Hitolytica or if you just had non-pathogen Entamoeba.....please stop spreading your garlic crap theory.... ... ... several people with truly diagnosed Hist ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 55 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,805

”FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, ” ... ... and what was life expectancy back then? ... ... In year 1900 life expectancy in USA was 47.8 years ... ... But yes many people lived to quite old, because this number include big death among babies....but yes even adjusted for this life expectancy was much lower than today. ... ... And in 1850 life expectancy in USA was only 38.3 ... ... well we could discuss this up and down....but what is your point, that everyone lived natural and happy and organic before 1900...long lives with no parasites..actually parasites was one of main problems b ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 56 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,766

”FYI Prior to circa 1900 there was no organized western medicine, ” ... ... man this is nuts; people are living a dark world. You cannot convince them; they are sick, and cannot find the cause, because the m*o*o*n and criminal doctors have not found anything, and now they want others live in a dark world. ... ... Comletely dangerous thinking. [End]

"Live and let live. Let the people pursue the treatment they want." 57 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,824

... ”Live and let live. Let the people pursue the treatment they want.” ... ... Wow, this is like free-market captalism, while you seem to endorse the opposing. ... ... When it comes to disease and diagnosis, this is not about letting people live and pursue their treatment. Oh my Gosh, when they have symptoms, a diagnosis has to be done a properly trained doctor, who can heal. ... ... Free choice you are talking about is what free capitalism also promotes. And in the dark ages, that you seem to endorse, when there was no westerm medicine, such thing was not there. ... ... ... ... We are saying what you guys are ... [retrieve this message]

"In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "58 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,868

Histolytica. ... ... So again, why are you on this forum? To tell people that you get better with garlic. I assume that you are still sick? ... ... Looking for natural cures for some unknown cause, now that you supposedly got rid of E. Histolytica with garlic. ? ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: "In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "59 by Michael B 13 mon 2,815

... have you even TRIED eating raw garlic before? ... ... Or did you throw a temper tantrum after biting off and spiting out your first bite because your spoiled, indoctrinated and westernized tongue was far too sophisticated for it? ... ... And did the ensuing FURY of not getting your way and being tricked, conned, and SCAMMED into trying natural healing NONSENSE that DARED to burn your superior westernized tongue with SATANIC GARLIC lead you on a CRUSADE to forever condemn the EVIL ways of natural healing and the QUACKS who claim to have healed themselves with natural methods? ... ... I hope mommy an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: "In my experience curing E Histolytica wasn't that hard to do. "60 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,772

I did not heal, but you did.? ... ... ... But I am now cured? How about you? Garlic did wonders for you? So why are you on this forum? To tell idiotic advice about garlic and parasites? ... ... You must be living in the dark ages. Now that your stool tests show that you are CLEARED. you must really believe those scientists ha? Keep believing, I am not the victim, you seem to be. and you are making others victims by giving this kind of advice. [End]

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/118 61 by david1o1 13 mon 2,864

[quote] ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... [/quote] ... ... Thanks for the laugh. :D ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 62 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,832

”[quote] ... I know a guy who was ’cured’ of lyme disease with antibiotics. His abdomen looks like he is 8 months pregnant, yet the doctor claims the guy is cured. ... [/quote] ... ... Thanks for the laugh. :D” ... ... but again you people are likley not seeing the deeper truth... ... ... Many lyme disease doctors are basing the lyme diangosis on tests that not are accepted by any good medical science. Health authorities (even if they also can do errors quite ofene) warns against CD57+ NK cell count to diagnose lyme, also against LLT tests that many of thse crank lyme disease docrors relay on.. ... ... All the big ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 63 by david1o1 13 mon 2,763

[quote] ... You people are attacking doctors not knowledagbel in western medicine, this do not mean western medicine not have the answer....please if you are attacking a field then read the litterature first, not only listen to cranks that have studied fraction of it. ... [/quote] ... ... I don’t criticize an allopath doctor because he is an allopath doctor but because those i have met are ignorant and follow the procedure without using their mind to search for others causes of a chronic ”disease”. ... ... I am interested in the books you are talking about, please post some titles and authors. ... ... Thanks, [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 64 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,784

”I am interested in the books you are talking about, please post some titles and authors. ... ... I already did further up where u asked at first. :-) enjoy!! ... [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 65 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,854

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 66 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,849

You people should be attacking doctors not knowledagbel in western medicine, this do not mean western medicine not have the answer..” ... ... Exactly man, we have all something in common, We all think that most doctors are criminals, and do not do their homework. Sadly, some simply give up westerm meds and turn to natural ”CURES”; and then end up living lives misery; ... because they do not find the doctors who may do the real dirty work necesserary to find what is really wrong one. We did find such a doctor. [End]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 67 by Michael B 13 mon 2,990

”because they have no diagnosis, and only treat symptoms, whatever is supposedly wrong will be reomved as much as they can, thinking that is the cure.....” ... ... This is exactly what you are doing: instead of taking responsibility for your own health, your own decisions, your own internal state of mind and body, you are giving your power away to external doctors and either thinking they are criminals if they do nothing for you, or saints if they happen to prescribe a drug that kills off some wimpy parasite you have. ... ... But what you do not realize is that YOU are only treating your symptoms. Y ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Andreas Moritz totally opposes parasite cleansing... 68 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 3,041

”In a clean body, parasites can do no harm. ” ... ... so make sure your body is clean, then let malaria infected mosquitos bit u then see what happen. ... ... Even cows only eating organic grass can get parasites....and die if not treated... ... ... parasite, large intestinal worms (tape worms are too big to hide when they a few times come out) are mentioned in more than 2000 year old books....yes they had herbs against these... ... ... we have enough science to understand how many of these spread....It was not clean bodies that got rid of Malaria in New York, yes New York had malaria and malaria mosquitos no ... [retrieve this message]

In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous diet69 by thinker2012 13 mon 2,978

In africa the natives were immune to mosquitos and malaria and tste flies UNTIL DR. ALBERT SWEITZER MD built the first european medical clinic in africa and brought boatloads and tons of refined sugar and refined sugary laden sweet breads to feed the local afrikaners every morning for breakfast, lunch, snack and at dinner, once the afrikaners had eaten the refined european sugar and had the refined white sugar bread donut goo in thier blood the mosquitos and tste flies went crazy to get at the refined white sugar in the the natives skin and of course, in the europeans refined sugar soaked ... [retrieve this message]

mds die at early age according to insurance actuaries70 by thinker2012 13 mon 2,830

Insurance actuaries say three, 3 main career groups die earliest and are HIGHEST RISK OF EARLY DEATH, first early age death group is restaurant owners- food gluttons? second earliest age death group is printers- due to toxic printing chemicals? third highest risk of early death, earliest to die group is mds- maybe because they eat the rx chalk they peddle or cut themselves with the knives they like to play with? ....... why would anyone listen to people who drop dead at average age of 57 to 59? ... [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...71 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,809

I have been on zero sugar diets many times in my life, mosqiotos still go for me....but may be less of them.... ... ... So yes we should just be clean, eat no sugar, but sugar is natural is it not...so agin a natural ”poison”.....what is sugar fruit sugar is sugar, milk sugar is sugar, you are talking about white porcessed sugar,, oohh yes the world processed then no longer natural.. ... ... what about buildings, they are not natural, so may be bad living in buildings, back to sleeping under a tree, good may be where you live, in coldest part of world may be not so smart...one of the reaons they got ... [retrieve this message]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...72 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,771

Unblelieveable what people today are prone to believe blindly, even when they obviously have access to information that they can save their lives, instead of dabbling in the pseudo sineces man. Really stupid to say that people do nto get malaira because they developed immunity! [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...73 by david1o1 13 mon 2,789

[quote] ... Cows only eating organic grass, no sugar no artifacts also get parasites if unlucky....may be you think these cows are punished because they sinded or so...in nature there was always a fight of the resources....tigers kill to eat, parasites live on hosts to live....is it so hard to understand...so tigers have no parasites, they do not eat sugar to my knowledge, yes also only meat eaters can get parasites.... ... [/quote] ... ... Ahahah i have repeated the same thing again and again but some people don’t want to accept the facts... ... ... I guess several schools of thoughts can be destroyed if ... [retrieve this message]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...74 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,764

Are you comaring animals to humans? They have a colon very different from the humans, oh, my gosh, you need some lession in this? ... ... You are misunderstanding what tropicalboy is saying. [End]

Re: In Africa the natives were IMMUNE to malaria due to thier indiginous...75 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,861

I think all 3 of us agree.....just all typing fast ... ... we all agree just by living of organic grass or just by eating raw organic meat, or just by drinking water (one would starrve at some point) one can still get parasites... ... ... but yes living healthy eating healthy (hard to say exactly what is healthy, but yes that is another issue) one naturally tend to get stronger immune system etc...at least better at controling the parasites....but no matter how healthy we live we can get parasites... ... ... big human parasite worms are described even in very old books because any modern medicine, becaus ... [retrieve this message]

This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so many76 by shrimpy123 13 mon 3,002

Some claiming that potato chips cut holes in the stomach, garlic cures E. Histolytica, flush this, and that, only shows that people are driven to madness by the lack of proper diagnosis and medical care..... by competant and well trained doctors. We all agree that most doctors are crooks, and their medical profession has been high jacked by pharma companies, and clinical experience has evaded it, flouting science itlsef, but this does not make it necessary to abandon asicnece and believe that garlic cures parasites..... when one is still ill with this and that. ... ... Go find a doctor who doe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...77 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,854

Shrimpy, ... those well-trained Doctors you refer to are the 3rd leading cause of death within the USA (Iatrogenic). ... ... Pasteur was right when he stated that the germ is nothing, and the terrain everything................. ... ... On the subject of any Parasites.......... ... ... ”Any parasite, including the malarian parasite, will be eliminated if the bodies system is clear of toxicity. ... Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean........... ... Parasites along with their larva and eggs are almost as ubiquitous as bacteria. We come in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...78 by david1o1 13 mon 2,777

Herbert Shelton has spread hygienic principles all his life and at the end of his life he was sick and lost his hair... ... ... One of my grandfather is dead older than Herbert Shelton and with all his mind, all his body power, all his hair, when he has eaten and drank all kinds of foods during his life. ... ... I say Herbert Shelton may have had parasites that ate his brain, a possible reason why he has lost his mind at the end of his life... ... ... Why people who follow hygienic principles as described by Herbert Shelton don’t live longer and with a better health than others people ? Maybe because the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...79 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,896

David, ... I’m afraid your comments re’ Herbert Shelton are in ignorance of the facts. ... Shelton’s premature death (90) was due to decades of overworking for his cause, and which eventually took its toll on his physique and nervous system. He was also the unwitting victim of a DHA deficiency, both of which resulted in his Parkinsons disease. ... It is common knowledge that any undue stress on the body (overwork for example) will require more than the average nutrients from even the best of diets. ... He was examined by his close friend, Dr Joel Fuhrman MD, towards the end of his life which confirme ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...80 by david1o1 13 mon 2,875

[quote] ... Shelton’s premature death (90) was due to decades of overworking for his cause, and which eventually took its toll on his physique and nervous system. ... [/quote] ... ... This is an excuse. Beside from the description on wikipedia, Herbert Shelton has lost his mind and his body capabilities at 77... (I know this may not be accurate, but why should i believe you ?) ... ... Here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_M._Shelton ... [quote] ... By 1972, at the age of 77, he was completely bedridden from a degenerative neuro-muscular disease believed to be Parkinson’s disease.[2] He died thirteen years ... [retrieve this message]

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/118 81 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,765

”Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean...........” ... ... I used to think that because I was healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life that I would be immune to health issues. ... It turned out not to be the case at all... As someone that never really got sick I could not believe that I was not able to get rid of Giardia and Entomoeba Histolytica easily. ... ... I think its better to have a healthy life style but also be very careful with your food and water sources and how your food is cooked. ... ... B ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...82 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,699

Jazzydude, ... ... ”Parasites can only thrive in a medium that is conducive to its growth and an internal environment that is unclean...........” ... ... I used to think that because I was healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life that I would be immune to health issues. ... ... But just because you were healthy, energetic, eating well, exercising and living a healthy life, does not mean that you are free from toxemia whether derived endogenously and/or exogenously. This is why periodic water-only-fasting is considered essential by many to eradicate internal toxins. ... ... If you ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...83 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,750

If you are free from toxemia, then parasites are unable to survive. ... Cleanliness is next to godliness. ... ... When you say parasites do you mean all parasites? ... I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe that fasting will prevent all parasites. How would one test such a claim? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...84 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,670

Yes I mean all parasites. ... ”Man lives in such a manner that he breaks down his resistance to parasitic invasion. Parasites cannot harm the man or woman who has maintained, unimpaired, the integrity of his or her body.”.............. ... Herbert M. Shelton DP ND DC DNT DNSc DNPh DNLitt PhD DOrthop ... ... ... ”Parasites can be starved out and they will not again infest an intestinal tract that is kept sanitary by right food and living.”......... ... George Weger MD. ... ... ”It is impossible for parasites to develop in the intestines of a child or adult unless the digestive secretions are weakened to such an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...85 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,734

”Bechamp was right, the germ is nothing, but the terrain is everything”. ... ... I disagree, both should be taken in consideration. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...86 by chrisb1 13 mon 2,721

It was proven jazzydude by those who implemented the principle of Toxemia as the root-cause of most all disease. ... ... This has little to do with science but solely to do with health. Medical science is preoccupied with disease and managed illness, and not health or the prevention of disease. ... A gold-standard RCT is not required because it works in practice. ... ... ”Bacteria or for the matter of fact any germ is not the cause of disease. It’s the environment which plays the decisive role.........Dr. Nancy Malik. ... ... ... Germs have very little to do with disease.............. ... http://naturalhygieneso ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...87 by Michael B 13 mon 2,931

”but this does not make it necessary to abandon asicnece and believe that garlic cures parasites..... when one is still ill with this and that.” ... ... Abandon science? Lol ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976 ... ... Antimicrobial properties of allicin from garlic. ... Ankri S, Mirelman D. ... Source ... Department of Biological Chemistry, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot 76100, Israel. ... Abstract ... Allicin, one of the active principles of freshly crushed garlic homogenates, has a variety of antimicrobial activities. Allicin in its pure form was found to exhibit i) antibacterial activity aga ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...88 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,797

Keep believing this nonsense, and some idiotic person who says that garlic kills parasaite or the parasite is not disease causing, while you are still ill? ... ... So you all who take garlic must be feeling owesome right? ... ... ... So you really believe that stool tests show parasites because ”science” shows it, because some paper written by a ”scientist” demonstrated it? Yes, some idiotic scientists also said that Blastocystis causes disease, without of course having any ”clinical” experience. ... ... Keep believing this junk and hang around this forum and give people dangerous advice, that keep peopl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...89 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,784

histolytica, because they also say that stool test also also show E. Histolytica. ... ... Yes, scientific papers also say that. like the ones you cited. DO you trust them too? ... ... Or do you say that garlic work because you are CURED? Can you say that about yourself, ARE YOU CURED? BECAUSE I am. LIFE IS WONDERFUL FOR ME. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...90 by Michael B 13 mon 2,816

Proven wrong right before your eyes and you continue babbling. Absolutely amazing specimen you are. I highly doubt you are cured of anything. If you were, you wouldn’t be such a rambling doctor-worshipping dogmatic schizophrenic. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...91 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,801

ncluding multidrug-resistant enterotoxicogenic strains of Escherichia coli; ii) antifungal activity, particularly against Candida albicans; iii) antiparasitic activity, INCLUDING SOME MAJOR HUMAN INTESTINAL PROTOZOAN PARASITES SUCH AS ENTAMOEBA HISTOLYTIC and Giardia lamblia; and iv) antiviral activity. ” ... ... Wow, Michael, this your sience? You really believe this? Where did you did this up? Must have done a lot of research to find this out? ... ... WOW ”Antiparasitic activity....” This must be real rea; ”scinetific” evidence for real CURE ha, for killing parasites. SO whenever a paper says that ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...92 by TropicalBoy 13 mon 2,806

Michael, ... ... You never answered how you could be sure it was candida you visualy could see getting flusehed out by one of your flushes..., how you could be sure you had killed it, how you could be sure it even was cause of sickness...of course you have no idea even what you had, have, cured or not cured as from what you said you never had a proper done diagnostic. ... ... Yes yes I personally never said garlic not had some antimicrobial effect, in my view the ”health” effect of garlic is so very well know that basically everyone know it even as they grow up.... ... ... However it is very very differe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...93 by Michael B 13 mon 2,728

?? Your posts sound like an incoherent rant. What exactly are you trying to say anyway? Do you even have a point to make? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...94 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,696

Obviously, you are not getting any of the points Tropicalboy is trying to make; you are the one who had no ground stand on, in terms of flawd arguments you make about science, garlic, and so called ”wimpy” parasites, and ”Western toungues”; need I say more. Read the posts again, and again, if you do not understand what we are saying.... ; at least others may benifit from this. NOt you. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...95 by Michael B 13 mon 2,735

Sounds like desperation [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...96 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,646

Go get well before you give bogus advice to people. You are still sick and are not qualified to give people advice. Find help first.... before you pretend to act like a doctor about using garlic.... for parasites. Get well first. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...97 by garliccures 13 mon 2,681

before the year 1900, no human being or animal since the dawn of time has ever recovered from parasitic ’infection’ due to the lack of pharmaceutical drugs. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...98 by jazzydude 13 mon 2,739

before the year 1900, no human being or animal since the dawn of time has ever recovered from parasitic ’infection’ due to the lack of pharmaceutical drugs. ... ... Humans and parasites evolve. What worked before the year 1900 may not work or be out of context today. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...99 by Michael B 13 mon 2,770

Wimpy Shrimpy went to the Doc ... Wimpy Shrimpy followed the flock ... ”HELP! HELP! The BUGS are attacking!” ... Eat some Garlic, and stop your Quacking! [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...100 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,722

Obviousl this guy Michael B is still sick, because he seems to be having brain fog or his brain is not working. He is giving people dangerous and insane advice. Asking people eat garlic for parasites. ... ... Michaelb, stop pretending to be a doctor, and get well first, and stop giving people charlant advice making them further ill. YOU ARE A DANGER TO HUMANITY. There are really sick people who need genuine help here and for the love God spare them your quackery. ... ... NOthing more dangerous than self-quackery, quaking oneself into believing that garlic cures parasites! Go back to a different cen ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m... /118 101 by Michael B 13 mon 2,681

Would you like some cheese with that whine? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...102 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,778

... garlic kills parasites... when it is clearly evident that it has been firmly scientifically established.” ... ... ... WOw, firmly stablished? for someone who does not trust much scinece, this is a ”firm” statement? ... ... Yes, my question to Michael, who champions garlic cures is this: ... ... SO you must be really well now, not only attested by the power of scinece about garlic cure, but your own sovereign self-claim about it. NOw that you are better? ... ... So are you in super good shape? CURED BY garlic? Or are you around this forum because you some seemingly ”isolated” health problem? IF SO: ... ... WHat a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...103 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,712

By reading, your earlier posts Michael, it seems that you are sill quite sick with many problems, and you might really want to take our advice who regained our helth and find out if you still have E. Histolytica. Your garlic does not seem to have worked if you still have problems. ... ... Oh, by the way, E. Histolytica attacks and affect many organs, including liver, since you are doing liver flush and etc. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1929149#i ... ... It astounds me that if you are so healthy, and telling people that E. Histolytica is a wimpy parasite to kill, you have such problems with ... [retrieve this message]

Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" and t...104 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,955

Once again, this debate shows that many people claiming bogus things like garlic cures this and that, and they got rid of some wimpy parasite by eating 15 garlic, are out of their minds, for whatever ”reason” if they have reason; surely most of the people making such absurd suggestions have no clue what they have; and they simply assume that they got rid of the parasite because perhaps they look into the toilet and determine that they do not have a parasite or go and do a typical stool test, which comes out almost always negative. But of course they are are still unwell. And then they have ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" a...105 by Michael B 13 mon 2,672

Ahhh it is clear now: you were one of those spoiled children who threw a tantrum, whined and shouted until mommy and daddy changed your protozoa soaked diapers. ... ... [End]

Re: Again do not follow any advice given by peoole who are still SICK" a...106 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,695

So, Mr. Strong Michael B, if you are so strong, why are you so sick still. ... ... It seems the wimpy parasite got you. NOt me.. I beat it. But he is wreaking havoc in you, it seems from your previous posts. ... ... Well, no point in telling a person who cannot use his brain, being a child...... ... ... Yes, go and make fun of people who get a deadly illness; you do not deserve to be on this forum. You are child. [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...107 by Michael B 13 mon 2,704

Wimpy Shrimpy screamed and shouted, ... ”GO SEE A DOCTOR” he desperately touted, ... But his cry wasn’t heard; ... His message absurd- ... Lauding the Herd that he flouted. ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...108 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,685

Wimpy Shrimpy screamed and shouted, ... ”GO SEE A DOCTOR” he desperately touted, ... But his cry wasn’t heard; ... His message absurd- ... Lauding the Herd that he flouted.” ... ... Well, childish sick people who are suffering from brain confusion, and who think eating garlic is science to beat parasite, cannot be convinced. They are doomed to be sick. They cannot be helped. ... ... They believe in liver flushes, and because that is what their daddy and mommy told them; and not to read and write think critically. Brain-dead..... from parasites. ... ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...109 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,715

What entitles you to so freely insult others who have real experience healing themselves and who offer useful advice that would save others years of time and thousands of dollars? Really, what entitles you to so freely fling your harmful opinions around?” ... ... Mr. ”STRONG” man, Michael b, why are you still sick, if you are healed? Can you tell us that? ... ... You claimed that cured yourself with garlic. But Why are you having problems still? ... ... Can you be honest with yourself, or are you quacking yourself? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...110 by Michael B 13 mon 2,696

Teenie weenie ittie bittie wimpy shrimpy pooped his panties- ... a piping passel of parasitic protozoa did poopie-peon get. ... If uber stupid microscopic wimpy poopy protozoa pass a stool test ... Why didn’t whiny tiny limpy shrimpy go to see a vet? [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...111 by shrimpy123 13 mon 2,652

You have been reported for abusing the forum. YOu are wasting everyone’s time. and still sick and completely unqualified to give advice. ... ... [End]

Re: This short exchange shows the insanity of the "advice" given by so m...112 by #145783 13 mon 2,740

I’ve seen these types of anti Curezone pro pharma groups at Curezone before. Don’t acknowledge them ,they will continue to talk amongst themselves for a while then leave. No worry most people here can see through their scam. [End]

You forgot to mention...113 by zoho 13 mon 2,823

You forgot to mention the protective effect of the sickle cell gene common to many Africans. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?114 by Harry777 13 mon 2,954

If you are suffering from depression, I would test for Pyroluria before attempting anything else. I had all sorts of weird and wonderful symptoms including testing positive for Blastocystis Hominis before I discovered I have Pyroluria. It explained everything... ... ... I blog about it now. ... ... pyrolurialife.com ... [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?115 by explorer2009 13 mon 3,024

In strict terms, depression is excess of harmful ”Dryness” ... energy and colon is controlled by this energy. ... ... One of the easiest methods to treat depression of ... any origin is heating nails of both index fingers, first right then left, all over the surface, by 3 incense sticks tied together, holding them perpendicular to nails surface, to have constant pleasant flow of heat, each for ... 1 min. ... [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?116 by Blistering Fate 9 mon 3,767

Woah you can have one good laugh with this thread. [End]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?117 by #461 8 mon 1,965

I would do a parasite cleanse first, then the liver flush. Dr. Clark noted that if you have parasites in your liver, the liver flush could make you feel ill. And I’ve not had to deal with a colon cleanse... I guess some say it helps but I’ve gotten pretty healthy again just dealing with the parasites and getting and keeping my liver clean. :) ... ... Of course this question was asked 5 months ago; I’d hope that you didn’t wait this long to do something, and I did notice that you never answered any of the resulting posts. I hope this wasn’t just a joke to you, to see how upset and annoyed you co ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What type of cleanse should I do first: liver, colon, or parasite?118 by Histopathlab 7 mon 1,930

You need to self confidence first and set your mind for only positive things do not think about negative things. [End]

Hulda clark remedy for Brain/Eye Parasites??? by jkp543 15 mon 1,168

Can the Dr.Hulda Clark Parasite Program work for the Brain & Eye aswell? Or is it just for the digestive tract? [End]

Someone had better explain this contradiction FAST

by BruceRobertson 16 mon 1,066

On Hulda Clark’s website and many others including on here that the ’The Black Walnut Tree is impervious to all disease’ and that ’ Black walnut trees cannot be infested with parasites’. ... ... Well someone had better tell that to the Black Trees sited in the Wikipedia... ... ... ... ... Pests ... ... Maggots (larvae of Rhagoletis completa and Rhagoletis suavis) in the husk are common, though more a nuisance than a serious problem for amateurs, who may simply remove the affected husk as soon as infestation is noticed. The maggots develop entirely within the husk, thus the quality of the nutmeat is not affe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Someone had better explain this contradiction FAST by theherbalist2011 16 mon 1,018

Bruce: ... ... First, I haven’t read hulda clark’s website. But, if what you say is true about her comments, then it’s inaccurate. Walnut hulls is not a cure-all for all parasites. Other conditions may need attention using other herbs. Besides, there’s too much fascination about killing the demon parasite when, in fact, that’s the least of peoples’ problems. ... ... theherbalist [End]

Re: Someone had better explain this contradiction FAST by sd2345 16 mon 953

To The Herbalist: ... ... ”Besides, there’s too much fascination about killing the demon parasite when, in fact, that’s the least of peoples’ problems” ... ... As someone who is very facinated to killing my demon parasites, can you explain what you mean? [End]

Re: Someone had better explain this contradiction FAST by theherbalist2011 16 mon 1,025

STD: ... JUST KIDDING! (I really hope you’re laughing.) ... ... I’m going to talk as a practitioner with over 40 years experience in treating just about every health problem imaginable with my customized blends of bulk, raw herbs. And I’ve developed procedures of understanding the whole body conditions so as to have an orderly approach. In my approach, I prioritize. Go after the big problem with a tonic and support the lesser conditions with a secondary tonic. Then the body can heal itself. ... ... With that being said, when someone strongly feels they have parasites, the best approach is to und ... [retrieve this message]

Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife

/52 1 by parazapper 20 mon 2,984 Zapper Debate / Hulda Clar

Back in 1993, a naturopathic doctor, Dr. Hulda Clark, introduced a product called the zapper which she claimed could either reduce or cure cancer by passing electrical frequencies through the body. She was persecuted for this up to the day that she died in 2009 and even after her death. Companies that produced the product were raided, harassed, and even shut down by the FDA and other government agencies. ... ... Is it not sad that the following research was published a few months before she died but she did not receive any credit for her work? ... ... ________________________________________________ ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife2 by parazapper 19 mon 2,635

As a clarification, I want to add that this is also a vindiaction of Rife and others who preceded Dr. Clark and many of whom surpassed Dr. Clark in their work. My reason in particular for crediting Dr. Clark is that it was she who popularized electro-therapy as a tool for healing and resulted in an increase in awareness in Rife, Crane, Beck, and many others. ... ... [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife3 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,816

Back in 1993, a naturopathic doctor, Dr. Hulda Clark , introduced a product called the zapper which she claimed could either reduce or cure cancer by passing electrical frequencies through the body. She was persecuted for this up to the day that she died in 2009 and even after her death. Companies that produced the product were raided, harassed, and even shut down by the FDA and other government agencies. ... ... Is it not sad that the following research was published a few months before she died but she did not receive any credit for her work? ... ... There is a good reason tha ... [retrieve this message]

I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...4 by fledgling 19 mon 2,637

...And I’ve been around CureZone for several years. ... ... ... I think it would be wize to ask what the frequency suggested is, and use it. ... ... ... We all try things we hear about and post our results. ... ... ... My best to all of us...all life on this planet. Lets project goodwill and balance and peacefulness. Fear and alarm and anger and frustration only create more of the same. ... ... My best, ... ... Fledgling [End]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...5 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,560

...And I’ve been around CureZone for several years. ... ... ... I think it would be wize to ask what the frequency suggested is, and use it. ... ... What I said was not irresponsible. I was simply pointing out what I have come to learn from several decades of experimentation and lots of research. ... ... The frequency we stuck with is 666hz. And I don’t want to hear about all the "mark of the beast" garbage. That was made up and popularized by Hollywood. Again, this frequency has worked on everything it has been tried on. No other frequencies being used. & ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have NEVER heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...6 by fledgling 19 mon 2,379

(Hope you saw the word ’never’ in my post’s title.) ... ... ... Thanks for the frequency...and for sharing your studies. ... ... ... Fledgling ... ... [End]

Re: I have NEVER heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...7 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,455

(Hope you saw the word ’never’ in my post’s title.) ... ... Yes, I saw that. But the sentence can still be read two ways, which is why I wanted to clarify it. ... ... Thanks for the frequency...and for sharing your studies. ... ... Your welcome. I have actually discussed this frequency a number of times on my forum, which is why I did not really go back in to it. I hope though that some day people will start catching on that Rife was narrowing down his frequency list for a reason, not expanding it. There is absolutely NO reason for multiple frequencies. In fact, I ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have NEVER heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...8 by parazapper 19 mon 2,361

- one frequency had worked on everything it has been tested on ... ... Perhaps it depends on the method of application but I do know from my tests, that from direct electrode application, other frequencies have faster, stronger effects than the 666 Hz frequency. ... ... [End]

Re: I have NEVER heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...9 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,435

>- one frequency had worked on everything it has been tested on ... ... Perhaps it depends on the method of application but I do know from my tests, that from direct electrode application, other frequencies have faster, stronger effects than the 666 Hz frequency. ... ... And our experiments with other frequencies showed that the 666hz worked the best. Rife’s other two frequencies also worked, but were slower since they were off by one. Other frequencies we tried from the frequency lists really did not do much if anything so we stopped using them. ... ... More importantly, we foun ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...10 by parazapper 19 mon 2,415

- 666 ... ... Actually, the 666 comes from an interpretation of the ”Book of Revelation”. ... ... Otherwise, I agree that it is a good frequency and is include in one of my new models of zapper that is currently on test. However, I do not rely entirely on that frequency as my data analysis shows that there are things that it misses. ... ... As an example, 666 seems to have little effect on Basal Cell but frequencies close to the following work extremely well. 2116, 2280, ... ... Also, 666 does not appear to help with non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma but 2008, 2004, 2012, 2116, 2128 ... ... ... Gotta love that 7.83 or some ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...11 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,515

>- 666 ... ... Actually, the 666 comes from an interpretation of the "Book of Revelation". ... ... Wrong again. There are a lot of hypotheses as to the origin of 666 including that they represent letters (www), not numbers. And the reference in revelation was shown to be some other number, not 666. But it was Hollywood that popularized 666 as the "mark of the beast". ... ... Otherwise, I agree that it is a good frequency and is include in one of my new models of zapper that is currently on test. However, I do not rely entirely on that frequency as my da ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...12 by parazapper 19 mon 2,381

- ironically you actually got part of the answer ... ... No irony to it, as I said, I have been working with this for a good while. I am very familiar with Tesla, Schumann, as well as many others. In the third grade, I read Velikovski’s ”Worlds in Collision” and ”Earth in Upheaval” as well as a college textbook on ”Microbiology”. I feel quite strongly that you probably grew up similarly. ... ... I guess that you are aware that the advantage of being born with a silver spoon in your mouth is not money, although that often helps. ... ... One thing that I know is that while the 666 frequency is powerful in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...13 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,386

>- Clearly you are doing something wrong because the 666hz frequency works for those cancers as well. ... ... Possibly, but I doubt it. It did not provide nearly the effectiveness as the other frequencies that I used. I will certainly try it again if I ever have another recurrence. ... ... BTW, I also tried 665 and 667. ... ... Maybe you were using the wrong wave form, maybe you lacked the proper power........... Early on when we were experimenting with these devices we sent one to a naturopathic doctor in California that was experimenting with different Rife units. She found that mo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...14 by Starstruck 19 mon 2,418

Okay, so you prove once again you don’t know what you are talking about. I’ve lost quite a bit of respect for you after reading your posts in this thread. What falsehoods you’ve brought here. ... ... First of all, waveform is critical. You have admitted in your own forum that you don’t know what waveform works best when using the 666 Hz frequency. That shows a blatant ignorance about the subject. Are you aware that square waves produce harmonics? ... ... Here is why I know you are wrong. You are correct in the idea that the 666 Hz is a good frequency to use. However, you are COMPLETELY wrong on the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...15 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,367

Okay, so you prove once again you don’t know what you are talking about. ... ... According to you. So you are a self-proclaimed know it all? Apparently you think so. ... ... I’ve lost quite a bit of respect for you after reading your posts in this thread. ... ... Do you think I really care. I am not here to make friends, I am here to educate people. Just because someone THINKS I am wrong and therefore loses respect for me does not matter. If they are not willing to look in to the facts before assuming I am wrong then the problem is with them, not me. ... ... What fals ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I have never heard Hveragerthi make an an irresponsible statement...16 by #60704 8 mon 1,667

Hveragerthi said " ... Wrong again. There are a lot of hypotheses as to the origin of 666 including that they represent letters (www), not numbers. And the reference in revelation was shown to be some other number, not 666. But it was Hollywood that popularized 666 as the "mark of the beast" ." ... ... Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. KJV ... ... And Revelation says count the number of the beast and I don’t see Hollywood ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife17 by parazapper 19 mon 2,492

- personally would never buy a commercial unit since they are more overpriced fluff than functional. ... ... Agtain, your choice to remain ignorant of the truth because it is easier. You also seriously err in that statement because not every product is overpriced and not all are fluff. I will agree that there are real fluff out there and I have posted about some of them in the past. What you miss again is that there is being progress made. If you bothered to read the study that I posted, there is real and valid research there with answers that vindicate the theory while coming up with different ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife18 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,465

>- First of all she was making wild claims about parasites being the cause of various diseases including diseases ... ... Are you even aware that the lowly virus is a parasite? ... ... Actually you are wrong. Viruses are not even considered alive let alone a parasite. It is these bogus type claims that keep giving alternative medicine a bad name. ... ... As are most bacteria, protozoa, and fungi that live within our bodies. ... ... Still wrong unless you are completely changing the definition of parasite to fit your needs. Otherwise, by the accepted scientific definition you a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife19 by parazapper 19 mon 2,358

- Chemotherapy can achieve those results ... ... Look again, what they were receiving was palliative. They were on their death bed and had exhausted their chemo / radiation options. If they had been given this treatment early on as their primary therapy, they would have fared much better. ... ... Please do not take what I say as a personal attack because that is not what is intended. You have a habit of taking certain things that you read as gospel and in your fervor spread a lot of poorly based misinformation. Learn to open you mind and give the things that you are hard set against at least a bit ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife20 by #107689 19 mon 2,371

... ... I bought "The Cure For All Diseases" when it first came out in ... 1995. I’d had prostate cancer (lab verified, scheduled for surgery then ... cancelled) and was looking for a cure. (Eventually ate raw garlic by the ... hand full and my last PSA was .7.) I’m not very bright but bright enough ... to recognize that she had bigger problems than I did. Had personally used ... the "gallbladder flush" identical to Clark’s well before she published ... anything about it. ... ... You two are trash talking each other a lot and while I see points on both ... sides would rather ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife

/52 21 by parazapper 19 mon 2,378

According to what I read, supposedly from her family, her true condition was hidden by a neck and should injury from an accident that led to misdiagnosis. By the time the error was discovered, it was basically too late. ... ... That aside, I have been told by someone who was close to her, that Dr, Clark did not use her zapper much because she felt that she did not need it. ... ... There may be other considerations to this and this is why I am working so hard at trying to improve zappers. In the past, zappers have at best been crude instruments with a extreme deviation in accuracy. Most have an accur ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife22 by #107689 19 mon 2,383

... ... " According ... to what I read, supposedly from her family, her true condition was hidden by a ... neck and should injury from an accident that led to misdiagnosis. By the time ... the error was discovered, it was basically too late......." ... ... Those are all wonderful cover ups - but that’s exactly what they are. ... Those cover ups themselves show that she had absolutely no diagnostic abilities ... at all with her Scientology auditing device or she would have diagnosed the ... cancer long before her "neck and shoulder injury." So that ... story simply doesn’t hold wate ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife23 by parazapper 19 mon 2,299

In your all knowing wisdom on this topic, have you ever considered that maybe she did not even try to diagnose herself. ... ... So, when she incorrectly diagnosed her brother, was there anyone who cam up with the correct diagnosis at the same time? No. ... ... Do so called non-quack doctors diagnose everything correctly the first time, or every time? No. ... ... Are you correct all of the time? ... ... How many doctors treat their own serious illnesses? ... ... I know that I am not correct all of the time but I do not sit and deny credit when it is due. While not perfect, Dr. Clark helped a lot of people that the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife24 by #107689 19 mon 2,349

... ... " In ... your all knowing wisdom on this topic, have you ever considered that maybe she ... did not even try to diagnose herself." ... ... ... ... Ahh, hit a sore point huh? The woman was 80 years old. I ... seriously doubt that she tried to diagnose herself because the medical doctor ... she saw did it for her - prior to her death. It is medically impossible to ... list those things on a death certificate without both blood tests and bone ... marrow biopsies. With that diagnosis prior to death there was no reason to ... do an autopsy on the body. ... ... Any practitioner making the cla ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife25 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,357

n your all knowing wisdom on this topic, have you ever considered that maybe she did not even try to diagnose herself. ... ... LOL!!! You just got done falsely claiming that a neck and shoulder injury led to her misdiagnosis. And as I pointed out, many people do not even know they have cancer until they go in for something like an injury and the X-rays and scans pick up the cancer. So the REAL doctors at the hospital would have diagnosed her. ... ... So, when she incorrectly diagnosed her brother, was there anyone who cam up with the correct diagnosis at the same time? No. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife26 by parazapper 19 mon 2,328

- only thing that is valid ... ... What proof do you have that did did not have M.M. for 20 or even 30 years and the little use of the zapper that she had actually kept her going for that long? ... ... Again, you are criticizing her over something that you do not know anything about. ... ... [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife27 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,348

>- quackery Zappers really are that does what to your Zapper sales ... ... Sorry dude, you have entirely missed the boat. We have solid proof of efficacy for these applications. ... ... ... So let’s see this "solid proof". Post the studies showing they really work. ... ... And again, if they work then why did Clark and her brother both die of cancer? Boy, you are going to have a hard time coming up with a good excuse for that one!!! ... ... >- what does her age at time of death have to do with anything? ... ... Everything. The very fact that she outlived the average age of s ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife28 by david1o1 28 days 124

Can you show me reports of double blinded studies, peer reviewed, reproductible, which show evidence that i still have 2 hands with 5 fingers on each hand, on 25 April 2013 at 16h07m38s ? ... ... I will only consider REAL scientific evidence and not reports of personnal experience, which are considered anecdotal, if you can’t provide it, it means you are distorting the reality and what you claim is not true. ... ... Ahahah, we will have many problems if scientists continue to be so arrogant and annoying with their rules and claims. ... ... I stay in the skeptics team ;) ... [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife29 by david1o1 28 days 124

[quote] ... Interesting, ”According to Kevin Kenward of the American Medical Association: ’Based on over 210,000 records of deceased physicians, our data indicate the average life-span of a physician is 70.8 years.’” ... ... Looks like Dr. Clark beat that by a few years. ... [/quote] ... Ahahah :D [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife30 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,381

" According to what I read, supposedly from her family, her true condition was hidden by a neck and should injury from an accident that led to misdiagnosis. By the time the error was discovered, it was basically too late......." ... ... Those are all wonderful cover ups - but that’s exactly what they are. Those cover ups themselves show that she had absolutely no diagnostic abilities at all with her Scientology auditing device or she would have diagnosed the cancer long before her "neck and shoulder injury." So that story simply doesn’t hold water. ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife31 by #107689 19 mon 2,787

... ... " Taking this a little further ... though, I wonder what excuse they would use to explain how Clark got cancer in ... the first place if she as taking the antiparasitical herbs and avoiding ... compounds like isopropyl alcohol that she also tried to link to cancer?" ... ... If you go here you will find Hulda Clark’s death certificate which is public ... record: ... ... http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/upload/2009/10/requiem_for_a_quack_part_ii/HuldaClarkDeathCertificate.pdf ... ... You will note also that both "Steven Oppenheim M.D. and certifier Silvia ... Garcia M.D. were from San Diego Hos ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife32 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,336

If you go here you will find Hulda Clark’s death certificate which is public record: ... ... http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/upload/2009/10/requiem_for_a_quack_part_ii/HuldaClarkDeathCertificate.pdf ... ... It is interesting that the death certificate is listed as anemia and hypercalcemia as being the cause of the death, with the multiple myeloma being a contributing factor rather than a cause. Does not say much for whoever wrote the Death Certificate there in San Diego. Anemia and hypercalcemia are well known effects of malignancies including multiple myeloma. So in real ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife33 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,300

According to what I read, supposedly from her family, her true condition was hidden by a neck and should injury from an accident that led to misdiagnosis. By the time the error was discovered, it was basically too late. ... ... Just an excuse. As far as I am concerned it is never too late as long as the are still breathing. I have seen people turned around from their death beds by using the 666hz frequency. So using the excuse that someone was too far gone just because what they were doing simply does not work is nothing but an excuse. ... [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife34 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,259

Bottom line regarding Clark and her Zapper - she died of cancer. Why couldn’t she cure herself? Didn’t she have the "right" frequency? I think that its all the proof anyone needs that her zapper is as big a fake as she was. ... ... Excellent point. ... [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife35 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,393

>- Viruses are not even considered alive let alone a parasite ... ... Your ignorance shows. ... ... Here we go with the personal attacks once again because I proved you wrong again. ... ... A virus is the ultimate obligatory parasite according to the definition. ... ... No, it is not. You clearly have a lot to learn about BASIC science!!! ... ... A Parasite is any organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, for at least some part of its life, from the body of which it obtains nutriment or some form of its sustenance. ... ... Right there you already discredite ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife36 by david1o1 19 mon 2,327

[quote] ... Problem with your basis is that parasitical cancers are EXTREMELY rare. Therefore, according to your own statement these herbs would RARELY work for cancer. Luckily these herbs have other properties that help them in the fight of cancers since cancers are rarely caused by parasites. ... [/quote] ... ... Knowing how doctors and labs don’t know how to diagnose a parasitic worm infection reliably, i don’t know how you can be so confident about that. ... ... ... ... [quote] ... So let’s see this publication and the FDA’s results. FDA records are public, so show us a link to the findings if you are t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife37 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,304

[quote] ... Problem with your basis is that parasitical cancers are EXTREMELY rare. Therefore, according to your own statement these herbs would RARELY work for cancer. Luckily these herbs have other properties that help them in the fight of cancers since cancers are rarely caused by parasites. ... [/quote] ... ... Knowing how doctors and labs don’t know how to diagnose a parasitic worm infection reliably, i don’t know how you can be so confident about that. ... ... Being that virtually every oncogene that has been found is viral, and that these viral DNAs can be found in most cancers, plus th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife38 by david1o1 28 days 125

[quote] ... Being that virtually every oncogene that has been found is viral, and that these viral DNAs can be found in most cancers, plus the fact that viruses have been shown to cause cancers yes I can say that with confidence. ... [/quote] ... Ok, but you don’t consider the efficiency of the immune system cells to fight cancer cells, and helminths have been reported to be able to weaken the immune system system detection/response mechanisms. ... So what you call a cause is maybe an effect. ... ... Also, the description of a virus by humans does not impact its true purpose. For example, if viruses are in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife39 by parazapper 19 mon 2,357

lack of knowledge, education, or awareness. You have not tried or tested, therefore lack the necessary knowledge, experience, or awareness needed to make a true, ... accurate, and fair judgment. ... ... I do not have time to continue responding at this time but suggest that you take a deeper look in the mirror because the false misleading statements that you make can end up costing someone their life and you will have to be responsible for that. ... ... You should also look at the agree / disagree ratings on your posts. There are very few messages that you have posted that readers agree with. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife40 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,390

>- >- A virus is the ultimate obligatory parasite according to the definition. ... ... >- No, it is not. You clearly have a lot to learn about BASIC science!!! ... ... Actually, you need to get updated and out of your antiquated information. ... ... ... No, you need to stop changing definitions to fit your needs. ... ... >- any organism ... ... Non-cellular life = Virus ... ... Once again, viruses are not living!!! So they do not constitute "life"!!! How many times does that simple concept need to be explained to you before you get it?!!! ... ... And since you are also trying to re ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife

/52 41 by david1o1 28 days 171

[quote] ... I do want to express that while I know that some of Dr. Clark’s early work had definite shortcomings, she did try to make corrections in her later writings and for this I give her Kudos. She opened the door for many of us into a number of aspects of our health and made us think about things. ... [/quote] ... I agree, nobody has all the answers, many ”scientists” are arrogant know it all persons who only consider something works/exists if it has been studied by using their processes and by relying on their perception and their interpretation of the results to find the ”facts”. ... ... The pro ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife42 by Starstruck 19 mon 2,361

Hvaer, ... ... I like you, and I like a lot of your posts and articles in your forum about herbs. I like that you are one of the few people on this website that actually uses scientific sources for their information. Your forum is one of the few I always read on the rare chance I get to visit this website. ... ... That is exactly why I kindly ask you to KEEP OUT of any electrotherapy forums, because you are just totally ruining your credibility here. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There are so many things wrong with your post I don’t even know where to start. ... ... First of all, p ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife43 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 2,329

I like you, and I like a lot of your posts and articles in your forum about herbs. I like that you are one of the few people on this website that actually uses scientific sources for their information. Your forum is one of the few I always read on the rare chance I get to visit this website. ... ... That is exactly why I kindly ask you to KEEP OUT of any electrotherapy forums, because you are just totally ruining your credibility here. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There are so many things wrong with your post I don’t even know where to start. ... ... The fact that yo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife44 by aging tree 19 mon 2,302

Maybe time for everyone to go drink a tall glass of water...?? ... ... This ”discussion” does not serve the right purpose. Winning a battle or not has nothing to do here any longer. What is it in your health that you would like to heal ? Respectfully. [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife45 by slowsmile 19 mon 2,234

I find this discussion all quite strange. On the one hand you have people giving their own ndividual opinions on both the Hulda and Rife methods for killing parasites and pathogens, and on the other side a person who insists that he is right in his sole interpretation of both. ... ... What comes out of this discussion lacks an appreciation of one thing. The Hulda Clark Zapper Method was specifically devised to kill parasites. Rife’s method was specifically devised to kill a huge number of different pathogens including those causing cancer. These were two completely different methods based ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife46 by parazapper 19 mon 2,265

- the argument that one particular frequency has the ability to kill ALL harmful pathogens and parasites only shows a distinct lack of any allegiance to any understanding of physics or biochemchemical principles ... ... Thank you. As I have said all along. ... ... [End]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife47 by AnalogKid 18 mon 2,099

” ... My studies bare this out. The zapper also relies on the sharp rising and falling edges of the square wave to induce ringing of the microbes at their resonant frequency. Just like tapping on a wine glass will cause it to ring. This is one reason that the Clark zapper can and does work without having the exact frequency. ... ” ... ... 1. bear, not bare ... ... 2. If what you say about resonance and ringing is true, then this puts any discussion of *specific* frequencies into the huge-waist-of-time department. Why? ... ... ... Because electrical resonance is a mechanical phenomenon. In the world of electr ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife48 by parazapper 16 mon 1,913

- Wall power adapters (”wall warts”) are inherently energy-limited, just like batteries ... ... OK, safe you say? ... ... Then why did almost everything in my house that was powered by a wall wart get destroyed by a nearby lightning strike. Nothing that was not powered by a wall wart was damaged. ... ... One exceprion: My electric razor that was connected to a wall wart was not damaged but the wall wart was fried. ... ... 5 network routers and all of the network ports connected were fried. ... ... 7 portable telephones were fried in their bases. ... ... 1 expensive video security system powered from a wall wart --- fri ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife49 by AnalogKid 18 mon 2,124

Using my secret analog powers, I took my fingers out of the Cheetos bag, went on the innergoogle, and read the study. Sad news for the zapper society - what these guys used as their electric signal was *nothing* like what any zapper produces. Worse, their signal was specifically ”anti-zapper” in two significant ways. ... ... 1. the easy one - it isn’t a simple squarewave. They modulated a single-frequency sinewave onto a 27 MHz sinewave carrier. That’s, like, radio, dude. This is a much more complex waveform that can not be compared to the simple zapper wavefore when trying to understand ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife50 by parazapper 16 mon 2,278

I agree that the method used is not the same as Dr. Clark but what I am saying is that it may well be that the end point is the same: the creation of specific harmonics that have a negative effect on the cancerous cells, virus, bacteria, etc. ... ... Also, I want to say that there can be exceptions to almost anything. The purpose of the square wave is to produce harmonics, The purpose of modulated RF, in this case, is to produce harmonics. The whistling into the CB is producing sidebands ( harmonics ). ... ... While not identical, it definitely gives credence to Rife and also gives credence to Clark ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife51 by Michael B 18 mon 2,295

"The reason that we even started looking in to the relationship between the frequencies was due to the fact that the Rife units were correcting things that had NOTHING to do with pathogens such as nerve regeneration and the treatment of neuropathy. " ... ... Flat out wrong. ... ... http://arthritis.about.com/od/nervepain/a/neuropathyguide_4.htm ... ... ... ... ... ... "Infections and autoimmune disorders can cause peripheral neuropathy. Viruses and bacteria that can attack nerve tissues include: ... ... ... herpes varicella-zoster (shingles) ... ... Epstein-Barr virus ... ... cytome ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Vindication of Dr. Clark and Rife52 by powertool4 13 mon 1,865

Interesting. So your stance is that RF therapy is not to kill pathogens but to ”harmonize” or ”adjust” the body’s natural resonance frequency to a healthy state? Whereas Clark and Rife’s original suggestion was to kill microbes. ... ... Do you have any sources or links that suggest that 666hz is the frequency that elicits a response from the human body? Or that the human body has a resonance frequency at 666hz? I’m fascinated by this theory but I would like to see where you got your sources and learn more about it. ... ... What is your take on newer machines like Ondamed which uses electromagnetic ... [retrieve this message]

The Liver Flush Is BS

by coolgirl 20 mon 1,537 Gallbladder Remedies / Liver Flus / Questionin / 4 / 5 / 6

The liver flush is BS. I did an ultrasound and it showed that I had numerous stones all clumped up to form a lar 3.2cm stone. I did the liver flush and manage to get plently of ”stones” out. I went back to do an ultrasound and guess what? I still had all the stones in there and there was no reduction in the size or number of stones. So isn’t the liver flush BS? It doesn’t work! [End]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by hanna 20 mon 1,387

You might want to read under cleansing (top of page) ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1854809 ... ... Read the yellow banners. ... I have had a stone now for about 10 years and have done many flushes. The flushes changed my life for general health but I still have the stone (~ 3cm). ... [End]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by Michael B 20 mon 1,334

You might want to post this in the debate forum instead. ... ... Have you done a thorough colon cleanse before doing the flush? if the transverse colon has fecal impactions then it puts undo pressure on the liver and gallbladder and minimizes the effectiveness of the flush. ... ... What was your preparation like? did you refrain from eating fats and oils prior to the flush? did you take malic acid or apple juice to soften the stones? did you do the epsom salts? did you try raw garlic? did you fast on the day of the flush? did you take Chanca piedra or stone breaker? did you lay down on your back or ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by daizymae 20 mon 1,247

I don’t think that anyone should force him- or herself to fast on the day of the flush. There are countless hypoglycemics out there who simply cannot do this. Dr. Sutter sure wouldn’t recommend it. Some folks can’t even stop eating at 2 PM, never mind total fasting! [End]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by chrisb1 20 mon 1,352

Daizymae, ... I’m afraid it simply isn’t true that Hypoglycemics cannot fast and fast with benefit. ... Basically there are two types of Hypoglycemia: Fasting Hypoglycemia and Reactive or Functional Hypoglycemia. Fortunately the former is rare and has a variety of causes and which can be fatal, but the latter, and by far the most common is remediable and is often misdiagnosed by Physicians, even after a Glucose Toerance Test which has been demonstrated to be unreliable and inaccurate. ... ... The usual symptoms of Hypoglycemia such as weakness, light-headedness, abdominal discomfort, confusion, irrit ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by daizymae 20 mon 1,195

While your above article on hypoglycemia is highly informative, and I very much appreciate your trouble, I would continue to suggest that going without food for many hours is not a good start to a liver flush. It is all too much at once for a toxic, weakened body. ... ... The best flush I ever had, I ate at 6 PM and then took the oil at 10. Some of my chronic symptoms went away and I felt just plain healthy & happy for awhile. ... ... When I was only 27 and reasonably tough, I fasted for several days and think I damaged myself. [End]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by chrisb1 20 mon 1,241

With all due respects Daizymae, ... there is one very simple method of determining the health of the body: if one goes without food or nourishment of any kind, except drinking pure water according to thirst for 36 hours, and you experience headaches, weakness, general malaise, nausea, sweating and other symptoms such as these, then the body is suffering from toxemia, whether this be of an exogenous or endogenous origin. ... ... On the other hand, and over over the same period of time, if you feel physically/mentally elated and stronger with none of the above symptoms, then the body is toxemic-free ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by daizymae 20 mon 1,103

Hi. Thanks for your interest and comments. I enjoy reading what you have to say. ... ... I’ve no doubt that the symptoms produced by a 36 hour water fast would be a genuine marker for a toxic body. ... ... Here’s the catch: ”when the starvation period begins: between 30 and 50 days, depending on the quantity and quality of internal food-reserves.” ... ... Not everyone has high quantity and quality of internal food-reserves. It’s my thinking that people can be both highly toxic and highly deficient in internal food reserves, at the same time. It is not ”either/or”. That is why some people need a slo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by chrisb1 20 mon 1,145

Hi Daizymae, ... very interesting. ... ... It is true to say that the quality of ones food reserves are probably not as good as they were in yesteryear, and for a variety of reasons. ... Yes, people can be highly toxic, while simultaneously being deficient to one degree or another in these internal food reserves, but the body has a remarkable capacity in the conservation of nutrients, and why deficiency diseases are now quite rare. It is also well-established within Natural Hygiene, (for example) that a diet deficient in ascorbate will produce scurvy, but on a water-only-fast, and in the absence of a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by daizymae 20 mon 1,068

Did you do your major curative fasts under any medical supervision or did you do it all on your own? In any case, my congratulations. So many folks just lie down and die according to their feckless, stupid doctor’s predictions!!! I mean, really, who has any right to tell you when you are supposed to die? It becomes self-fulfilling. ... ... I am interested in reading more on water fasting and will look this up. In any case, I think that liver flushes are useful under certain conditions, one of these being the need to decongest the liver with herbs/diet prior to flushing. I had not done thi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by chrisb1 20 mon 1,040

Hello Daizymae, ... yes I did these therapeutic fasts without much supervision at home but was in telephone contact with an experienced supervisor. ... I have documented my recovery here within curezone. ... ... Best place and reference to learn more about water-only-fasting is here............................ ... http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.intro.htm ... and written by the most experienced and knowledeable Natural Hygienist of that movement. ... ... Yes, I do think sme Liver flushes are of benefit but in my opinion before the commencement of the fast itself. ... The Live ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by Michael B 20 mon 1,059

Perhaps apple juice on the day of the fast [End]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by Telman 20 mon 1,260

I guess you are very disappointed and need to vent your anger. When we are in such a confused mood everything can appear to be BS. The liver flush is the only alternative to surgery and I am afraid that surgery also has BS factor because unless you have ALL the symptoms then surgery is only 50% effective. Even with all the symptoms and a good surgeon its limited to 70% curative. ... ... You need to make some difficult choices rather than take you anger out on the forum. The liver flush is a dedication that some people can’t follow through because it can take many flushes to become symptom free ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Liver Flush Is BS by Options4me 19 mon 1,113

LMAO yer cute coolgirl! Did ya quit before ya had a chance at success? ... Don’t say how long in between flushes ya had that ultrasound. ... If this was your FIRST liver flush, and whether ANY stones at all were expelled. mind describing YOUR process/technique? ... ... Protocol is to do em ~2-3weeks weeks if ya expell stones right until yer relatively stone free- or aint passin em. ... ... ... Me- over a year ago GB FULL of small stones and sludge (crystallized ready to attach to or become stones!) ... ... Started doing GB flushes. Supplementing with Chanca Piedra ”stone breaker” ... 1st LF: ~15 smallish emerald g ... [retrieve this message]

Has anyone here been completely "cured" of anything using Hulda Clark's ...

by #140506 21 mon 2,487

I ask because she used the words ”cure” so often, that I was wondering if anyone here had ever really been 100% cured of anything using her methods? ... ... ”Cure” is her word, not mine. She claimed to be able to ”cure”, not ”treat”.... CURE. ... ... Are you cured? If so, why do you still take her products and follow her protocols? Are you addicted to parasite cleansing? Do you truly have delusional parasitosis? ... ... If she could cure cancer, why couldn’t she cure parasites? ... ... Just a few questions I have on my mind. [End]

Re: Has anyone here been completely "cured" of anything using Hulda Clar... by Hidden Username 21 mon 2,443

lol. ... [End]

Re: Has anyone here been completely "cured" of anything using Hulda Clar... by parazapper 21 mon 2,247

Since I have been selling Hulda Clark zappers for over 10 years, I have heard from a number of Dr. Clark’s patients who have expressed to me that they are now healed and doiing well. I do not have any doubts about these inddividuals but I am sure that there are also some who are no longer with us. ... ... I have to look at it this way. Dr. Clark, at least in the later years of her clinic, did not accept anyone for treatment who had not been pronounced as terminal by a medical doctor. If they are still alive months or years after Dr, Clark treated them, then it must have been a miracle in itself ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Has anyone here been completely "cured" of anything using Hulda Clar... by Hidden Username 21 mon 2,539

I fully support her methods. I haven’t used zapper, but used her liver cleansing protocol with exceptional results for my lungs disease, that was gone after cleansing and putting myself on a raw nutritious diet. ... ... The olive oil protocol exists all over the world in different variations. Anyways, if I have to ever choose between ’a traditional md of 2000’ or using alternative methods for treating health disorders, I’ll never go to an MD. [End]

hulda clark died of cancer

by #104456 4 year 5,702

she is a fraud [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by geni1 4 year 5,259

spinal cord injuries ... ... http://www.myhealthblog.org/2009/09/07/so-sad-dr-hulda-clark-died-of-spinal-cord-injuries-last-september-3-2009/ ... ... ... ... ... Message from Tim Bolen ... ... Posted September 5, 2009 at 8:48 am | Permalink ... ... My friend Hulda Clark died from the complications of a spinal cord injury that plagued her for the final years of her life. ... ... As many know I accompanied her on her lecture forays around the US and I never told anyone how much pain she was in these last few years. She simply wanted to keep going. I arranged wheelchairs for all of the travel arrangements. A year ago, las ... [retrieve this message]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by #65849 3 year 4,997

Dr. Clark’s doctor said she might have had cancer, but it was not diagnosed. Her anemia was reason for her doctor to think it might have been a type of bone cancer. The Clark family has posted their story at http://huldaclark.net ... ... [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by Raynbo 3 year 5,322

WOW. How simplistic is your thinking. Are you actually that well informed about her age and physical condition? ... ... All I can say is that when YOU die, I hope people say as many wonderful things about you as they did about her. [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by #12858 32 mon 3,507

Her death certificate said cancer. ... http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/requiem_for_a_quack_part_ii.php ... I have become a complete skeptic to her treatments. I won’t be using them if the need ever arises. [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by InnerCalm 32 mon 3,698

If indeed the death certificate was accurate, she was highly targeted by TPTB. It is very possible that she was either killed and her death was covered by that diagnosis or they actually gave her cancer. ... ... Much of her research was important and had helped pave the way for may others. To just dismiss it out of hand based on mainstream propaganda is choosing a path of limited potential. [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by PetMama 32 mon 3,487

I couldn’t agree with you more InnerCalm. I have only recently acquainted myself with Hulda Clark’s methods, as i was searching for a natural way of treating my dogs for heartworm. I have read quite a bit of documentation and watched several interviews. Regardless of what she died of, her research cannot be dismissed and if you look around, more and more reports are poping up linking natural foods and herbs to positive influences upon various diseases. My dogs are still recovering, but have shown immense stages of improvement. Even if anyone decided to dismiss her teachings, there is so mu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by #126236 30 mon 5,697

she DID die of cancer. myeloma cancer, not a frigging spinal injury thats a lie. she had to get hip replacement from conventional medicine and painkillers. she had cancer and was unable to cure herself what a joke she is [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by iloveballoons 14 mon 2,227

Well, duh. ... Cancer doesn’t make you live longer. ... She wouldn’t have a basis for her therapy if she wasn’t dying of something. ... There is no cure for cancers. Just a cure for the crappy environment it thrives in. I would never follow the advice of a person who had never suffered any of the ailments they were claiming to help fix. She probably died from problems related to the conventional narcotics she was given. [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by marcb 5 mon 929

if a problem arises? you already have one...ignorance will kill you! ... look up natural health news,you may be in the dark on some issues. ... if you use huldas methods you have a chance,if you go to a medical doctor and start doing chemo..well, good luck and thats just sarcasim there is not even a chance with luck.i heard if you avoid radiation treatment you will live at least 8 years longer .cause chemo is a death sentence. [End]

Re: hulda clark died of cancer by braindamage 31 mon 3,716

Dr. Clark led a unhealthy lifestyle and diet. of course she would die of something. [End]

Fraud

by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 5,119 Dr. Clark Debate / Quackery D / Questionin

The cure of all diseases, problems and cancers and look what life has given her, CANCER. Did she cure it? No. ... We can safely say this person is a fraud. ... ... I saw her on an interview and I saw how bad she looked, how badly degenerated she looked, no melanin production in her hair, wrinkled skin, uhhhhh... NO! Death is a disease of failing organs, sorry Clark (don’t know if I should be sorry to fraudsters), but you don’t practice what you preach! ... ... She ripped you off, all these liars and scammers, trying to rip you off, writing their books (hmm, let me SELL this), giving out their products ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,964

While it was thought that cancer (multiple myeloma) was the cause of her illness, this was never confirmed. This is a problem with modern medicine. It is uncommon for modern medicine to look beyond the end of its long nose. Completely erroneous diagnoses are frequent. ... ... Please note that I have corrected the initial statement above because what I said was not entirely correct and was based on old information. ... ... - I saw how bad she looked ... ... She looked normal for someone her age. I guess that you have a predjudice against being old? ... ... - be just like her at 89! ... ... I have never seen anyo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 4,636

Hello sir. ... ... ... First of all, NO ONE in mainstream society has the cure for dying of old age. Old age is the organs failing and body becoming weaker. Considering the body becoming weaker, foreign substances/any other problems enter the body and have more opportunity to strive. ... The natural medicine community and the pharmaceutical medical community is all BS, they are at war of each other for stake of the gullible market of sick people. They both have reports of them doing wrong, which is in fact good, let the truth be revealed, lift the dress over from the pope and lets see what’s really ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,353

I am very sorry for the ailment that you experience because that I can see how it is eating you. ... ... Otherwise, no not everyone dies in their 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. I have known those who did not make it to 1 year and my mother God willing will live at least to her 90’s (only a few months away). I recently attended my 40th year High School Reunion. Many old friends and aquaintances were missing, having passed on. To this date, I do not need any prescription medications because I have tried over the years to provide healthy nutrition to my body. Some laughed at this, and I accept their amusem ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 4,100

My AILMENT is you humans, that is my ailment. ... Heh, you just don’t seem to get it. I’m asking very clearly right now and I want you to answer me very specifically. ... ... What is your problem on not being able to comprehend certain things that I am saying? It seems we are going in a circle and you do not GET IT. What is the excuse for your stupidity, ignorance or bad listening skills? ... ... I named MAINSTREAM society as a reason. ... Let me explain it very clearly in a manner that you MAY be able to understand. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEVER AGE AND NEVER GET A DISEASE RIGHT NOW IN THIS WORLD, LIVING T ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 4,142

You guys crack me up, people try to lead the blind people when you’re blind yourself. It emphasizes the saying the ”Blind leading the blind” and when the blind leads the blind, they all fall. ... ... You have no purpose to achieve anything in this debate, your only purpose is to debate. ... You’re a complete failure. [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,087

Hmmm, sorry, the verdict is in. No one agrees with you. If there is a 400 year old human living anywhere, send me the proof. ... ... Otherwise, I do not care what you aliens say ;^) ... ... [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 4,166

I’m honestly amazed at your stupidity, George the Dummy. Because I had predicted your reaction and your reply to me was the same reaction I had predicted (to which you had seen). ... ... Let me show you my initial prediction of your reaction. ... ... ”Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, no! I have never seen them” ... Compared to what you said ”If there is a 400 year old human living anywhere, send me the proof.” (you basically said, uhhhh, i never seen them, send me proof) ... WHY THE f*** WOULD SOMEBODY TELL YOU THAT THERE IS 1000 YEAR OLDS LIVING AND THE CURE FOR ALL HEALTH ISSUES? ... Does your retarded mind ha ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The lights. by grassman 4 year 3,991

Will somebody please turn out the lights.Thank you. [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 4,229

... ... She looked normal for someone her age. I guess that you have a predjudice ... against being old? ... ... ... ... >- be just like her at 89! ... ... ... ... She was just under 81 when she died. I’m 78 and when I go to my high ... school reunions (last one 4 months ago) I see some that don’t look ... "old" at all, others are haggard. ... ... >- be just like her at 89! ... ... ... ... I have never seen anyone who looked young at 80 or 89, unless they had a face ... lift in the past 4 or 5 years. Even then, it was only the face that looked ... young. ... ... ... ... >- medically she’s still stuck in a loop of 100s of ye ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,068

- Maybe they are stealth flukes. ... ... Go look in the parasites forum and you will see a lot of people in there who report flukes in their stool after cleansing. Many of these complain that their doctor said nothing was wrong. ... ... [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 3,969

... ... >- ... She was just under 81 when she died. I’m 78 and when I go to my high school ... reunions (last one 4 months ago) I see some that don’t look "old" at ... all, others are haggard. ... ... ... ... I am only 59 but I have seen some who look worse at my ... age than she did. ... ... The ... majority of attendees at my last HS reunion looked great. 75 is the new ... 65. I have no wrinkles and have been taken for much younger - have been ... asked (recently) for an ID to get a senior discount. If Hulda looked much ... older than the 80 years she was at death, then she was a hypocrite in m ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,205

- Ever hear of the placebo effect? It many times has an even greater ability to heal than any herbs or drugs as high as 65% in some cases, including cancer ... ... Actually, I would have to see this number published. It is well documented in medical literature to be about 30 percent. ... ... One FDA agent accused me of hypnotizing my customers becaue of our products high success rate. I find it extremely funny that the FDA itself publishes a ”white paper” on the use of electrical pulses to kill microbes in milk, juices, food, etc. ... ... - This is the woman who had devices to diagnose every known (acc ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 3,921

... ... Placebo effect. ... ... http://www.learnmindpower.com/articles/placebo-effect/ ... ... Placebos first came to the general public’s attention in the 1950s. It was ... discovered that patients who were given harmless sugar pills and told they were ... medicine would often report themselves cured. In an influential article first ... published in 1955, Harvard researcher Henry Beecher concluded that between 30 ... and 40 percent of any treated group would respond to a placebo. Now, half a ... century later and beginning a new millennium, we are finding that the ... actual success rate is much higher—closer to 60 perc ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 3,860

- Again, nary a fluke related to cancer has ever been found in North America and you concept of knee jerk diagnosis is really really sad, totally ill-informed, and way out of date. ... ... Again, you are mistaken and do not know what you are talking about. Just because you don’t know about it, does not mean that it does not exist. There are cases in the US where the liver fluke has been found in cancer patients, but again they are rarely reported or published. ... ... What you fail to understand is that everyone who gets cancer, dies. Everyone who does not get cancer dies. Those who go through tradi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 3,969

... ... >- ... success rate is much higher—closer to 60 percent, and in some cases as high as ... 75 percent. ... ... ... ... Show me the studies. It is easy to put things in a book without much basis. I ... will review an actual study to see for myself how well it was done and how valid ... it is. ... ... One ... way to avoid facts is to discredit the source. Go to the link and ask ... them. ... ... >- That’s a laugh and a rationalization. (i.e. regarding a high ... number of illnesses caused by accidents or visits for other reasons) ... ... ... ... Only on your part, I have confirmed this with an MD. ... ... Well a "hig ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 3,952

- your saying you’ve read all of her books ... ... Again, another fabrication on your part. I did not say that I have read all of her books. If I did, it was in error. ... ... In summation, If you are not a doctor, you should be because it appears that you can not look beyond the end of your nose. ... ... Modern medicine is in the dark ages and the candle that you are holding is behind that. The National Institute of Health backs me up. According to their publications, many parasites, including several flukes, cause cancer. ... ... [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 3,933

... ... " You ... definitely have a tendency to misinterpret, twist, or distort. Additionally, I ... am well aware of what parasites are and can do from my years of college ad a ... biology major and from my graduate studies in biomedical engineering. I have ... learned over the years that what we are taught is not always true and what is ... thought to be true today is shown to be wrong tomorrow......" ... ... You’ve ... got it backwards, you are the one who is lying and twisting facts. I don’t ... remember anywhere that the AMA promoted smoking - but I do remember some doctors ... who did. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,116

- If they say that flukes cause cancer, Hulda says all cancer is caused that way ... ... That I never agreed with. I knew that tobacco smoke causes certain specific cancers, I know that asbestos causes mesothelioma, I will say that everyone who has cancer, has parasites and these parasites definitely have an impact on the progression of cancer. As a matter of fact, everyone has parasites, we can not survive without them. ... ... One thing that I have learned from studying parasitology is that parasites have a very strong influence over the host, including turning down the hosts immune system. This i ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 4,143

... ... >- I don’t have one damned parasite in me and there were no parasites ... found in the in depth analysis of the cancer material ... ... ... ... Again, you are missing the whole point. The parasites are not in the ... cancer. They are living elsewhere in your body, giving off toxins that erode ... your immune system. ... ... That’s a damned lie. Hulda Clark says they are in the cancer - in ... various stages of development including the adult stage. I have no liver ... fluke anywhere in my body, never have, never will. ... ... >- That CT scans and MRI’s will miss most of them is out and out trash ... talk ... [retrieve this message]

Shill by #108005 4 year 3,966

Why are you wasting your time with this guy Parazapper? Every post of his is a cut and paste from either the pharmaceutical controlled NIH or the criminal Stephen Barret’s Quackwatch! ... In fact this guy sounds like Barret with his obvious hate filed messages, a pharmashill signature! ... ... ... http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/quackpots/barrett.htm [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,140

- Hulda Clark says they are in the cancer - in various stages of development including the adult stage. ... ... So, you do believe Hulda Clark. Since you are using her word as gospel and to call me a liar on that basis makes you a hypocrit! ... ... My statement is based on NIH funded studies that clearly explain that parasites living in the intestines can cause cancer in other locations in the body. ... ... - Most cancers do not even show up well on a CT scan unless they use a ”contrast agent”. ... ... I said ”Most”, not ”all”. ... ... - I’ve seen the CT scans on a computer, they show up beautifully, and they ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 3,901

... ... >- ... Hulda Clark says they are in the cancer - in various stages of development ... including the adult stage. ... ... ... ... So, you do believe Hulda Clark. Since you are using her word as gospel and to ... call me a liar on that basis makes you a hypocrit! ... ... ... ... My statement is based on NIH funded studies that clearly explain that parasites ... living in the intestines can cause cancer in other locations in the body. ... ... ... ... What idiot logic. I DO NOT believe Hulda Clark. ... That’s the basis of this entire thread. First you ask me to point out ... where Hulda even said such a thing ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 4,198

... ... Here’s a picture of fasciolopsis buskii that Hulda says in ... every cancer (and other places as well). And you claim that modern ... medicine can’t find them? Even after investigating every cancer in the ... lab? Hogwash! ... ... ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Fraud (edit) by #107689 4 year 4,018

... ... One last thing regarding Hulda’s treatments - and many alternative treatments ... for that matter, that is the placebo effect that I mentioned in another ... post. (I do not consider her gallbladder flush or any of her parasite ... treatments to be her treatments as they have been used for decades in other ... places and she just copied them. If she could cure parasites in the body ... she would have been awarded a Nobel Prize because malaria is caused by a ... parasite.) ... ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14309026/ ... ... Placebo’s power goes beyond the mind ... ... Scientists tap into fake pill’s eff ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fraud (edit) by parazapper 4 year 4,007

- Park’s depression started to lift. ... ... Actually, that was not from the placebo effect. He was really starting to improve but he failed to mention the change in diet / lifestyle. It has been documented that most people (60 - 70 percent) in trials do not tell their doctors that they have made changes in their diet or lifestyle. ... ... All it took to lift depression for most people was to substitute turkey for the ham in a sandwich every day for a few days. Tryptophan is such a potent depression fighter that the drug companies had the FDA ban it for 19 years. ... ... The sugar pill is nothing new an ... [retrieve this message]

HULDA CLARK Obituary: HULDA CLARK’s Obituary by the San Diego Union-Trib...

by LCD 4 year 5,814

CLARK, HULDA REGEHR ... ... Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark passed away Thursday, September 3, 2009, at age 80, in Chula Vista, CA. ... ... She was born October 18, 1928, in Rosthern, Saskatchewan, the daughter of Jacob and Maria Regehr, and the sister of Jacob, Henry, Willie, Irma, Edna and Leo. ... ... She earned a BS and MS from U Saskatchewan and Ph.D. from U Minnesota in 1958. Her scientific career began in 1965 at Indiana U, Bloomington. Her impulse toward practical application led her to establish a nutritional consulting practice in the 1960’s and, later, an independent research program on human disease w ... [retrieve this message]

RIP Hulda Clark by VX 4 year 3,532

RIP Hulda Clark ... ... Her first book, ”The Cure for All Diseases” really helped me, introducing the parasite cleanse and the liver flush were some of the first things that worked for me when everything else failed. ... ... Although parasite cleanses help your immune system, it never made sense to me that it cured cancer though (killing healing), and I guess she was wrong about that since she died from multiple myeloma cancer. ... ... Anyway, some of her theories may have been wrong, but I also think she had some things right as well. I thank her for being vocal and bringing these things to light. ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: RIP Hulda Clark by VX 4 year 3,917

Someone asked me how I know she died from multiple myeloma cancer. ... ... I’m just repeating what I read on her web page and on Wikipedia. ... ... Wikipedia ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Clark ... ... And her webpage ... http://www.huldaclark.net/ ... ... ... Multiple myeloma is often mistaken for ”bone problems”. I have a friend who had multiple myeloma and before she was diagnosed, she broke 1 bone in her body every week for almost a year. She was in bed and on morphine for over 6 months before they finally diagnosed her. ... ... Anyway, it’s unfortunate but true. ... ... ... Her webpage said ... http://www.huldaclark.n ... [retrieve this message]

My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark

by PatriciaChavez 4 year 4,516 Dr. Clark Debate / Quackery D / Questionin

My mother, Mercedes Ponzanelli, who had just turned 66, was informed on January 24, 2007 that she had osteosarcoma. She had been experiencing pain in her hip to the point that she had begun limping. We encouraged her to have that checked out by a doctor. Due to the fact that she had been in an accident several months before, she went back to the traumatologist who had treated her. They took X-rays and did an MRI. Both confirmed that she had a tumor. They did a biopsy and they discovered it was malignant. The oncologist she was referred to told her she should start chemotherapy immediately ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark by paraboy 4 year 3,711

This sounds like a load of crap! ... ... It seems you had more of a problem with Mexico than with Dr Clark’s treatments and protocols. ... ... You never mentioned anything about your mother’s treatments, tumor size or anything that would indicate truth except a blinded sense of hate for someone called Dr Clark ... ... Post your lies on quack busters! ... ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark by parazapper 4 year 3,709

- find it frightening that despite of all of Hulda Clark’s legal troubles, she has been allowed to continue to treat patients for many years ... ... While your experience may have been bad, that is not true for many others that I have heard from. I have heard from a number of people who thank Dr. Clark for their lives. ... ... Dr. Clark may have been overwhelmed with enthusiasm as I know that the ony one who can promise that you are not going to die at any particular time is God. ... ... [End]

Re: My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark by blackngold 4 year 3,699

... Hulda Clark’s cancer clinic was/is a complete joke. Some will claim your story is made up. I have no way to verify it..... but have heard enough similar ones to say that if this clinic was located in the lower 48 then she would have been put in jail. And it wouldn’t have been because the ”Man” was trying to supress her cancer ”cure”...... Hopefully that s*cker gets shut down for good now......... [End]

Re: My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark by #108005 4 year 3,794

Your right B&G this is a phony post that has been circulating the internet for years! You hear this or that you say but you never experience! ... Notice the posting history of this women! One post and no more!!! ... You have a right to your opinion I’m sure but in the world of alternatives why actively promote something that you have no way of knowing if it is true ? I mean do you have any personal experience with Hulda Clark or her clinics ? ... So many experts on Curezone who have never experienced even half of what they claim to be an expert at! [End]

Re: My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 3,307

Mmmhmm, one post and no more? Really? She just wanted to mention her experiences, not look for any damn cures on this f***ing forum. This is a Hulda forum. ... ... This person gave you her details, this person gave you her mother details. ... ... But you know, the way to truly find out is if you call this person up, contact this person or contact some of Hulda’s patient or family patients. ... ... What’s the point of criticizing Hulda when she dies of cancer herself? ... ... Why not criticize her when she is making some money and on the verge of exploiting people with her lies? [End]

Re: My Mother's Experience with Hulda Clark by DJ Anderson 4 year 3,500

It amazes me how so many are so quick to jump to HC’s side. If this original post is a false claim, there are other folks who have disagreed with HC’s protocol for treatment. If this original post is true, it is disgusting! One sure way to kill someone is to over tax their system especially when they’re in ill health to begin with. While it seems that HC had some great energy in the alternative health arena she also seemed to pollute it with absurd and excessive treatments. While she did much good, she also did much harm. She brought up some good points and wasn’t wrong on everything ... [retrieve this message]

$10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado zappe...

by pistolpiet22 4 year 6,378 Zapper Debate / Dr. Clark / Electro-Me

... I would like to add this review of 4 different types of zappers I have used as a guide to others who might want info on choosing a zapper. It must look like I have a fetish for zappers, however has more to do with the fact I have parasites that plainly refuses to die. I also have been searching for a zapper that fits around me and my life and not me around it. ... ... I suspected for over a year now that I have parasites and bought the $10 zapper and a few months later the Ultimate zapper. After giving up smoking and caffeine my weight ballooned and my weight went into over drive and so did ... [retrieve this message]

Re: (edit) $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silv... by parazapper 4 year 4,461

This is a great report and is what we need more of. A real comparison of pro’s and con’s. ... ... ... - make the Uz smaller and less cumbersome and you got a winner. ... ... This is oxymoronic. It is the amount of contact area that provides the effectiveness and it is the small size and small number of contacts of the T and the Silver that reduce their effectiveness. Just curious, have you looked inside the Ultimate Zapper? http://www.paradevices.com/ultimate_zapper_cheaply_made.html ... ... - I guess he’s only one guy making it so be patient. ... ... Actually, there is a $10 zapper that is far better and is ... [retrieve this message]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by Newport 4 year 3,842

This is oxymoronic. ... ... I was just going to say that the UZ itself is very small. ... Not sure what can be done about the contacts needed, if anything at all. ... ... [End]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by cora 4 year 3,835

I think this poster is probably referring to the ”cumbersome” element to the design of the UZ. The alligator clips needing constant adjustment, etc. ... ... This is what makes PZ’s unit and accessories ideal (he made banana plug/wires/copper rods for me upon request - for my FG - wanted LONG wires). I suspect his product is one of the more superior and it is indeed unfortunate that we don’t have any testimony here in the mix. ... ... I like the T3 also, but don’t feel it has much efficacy beyond the wild dreams. Logically, it can’t produce the same coverage as others. I’d love to think otherw ... [retrieve this message]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by Newport 4 year 3,678

I just bought a pack of aligator cords (~$2) and after that there was never another issue with the UZ. ... ... Well my PZ experience wasn’t that great... ... ... As for the T2, it is a must have IMO but I don’t use it to treat except for those cases already posted about. ... ... We used the dome clips and pads with the BT7 for some back pain...until we figured out that Tellurium was causing most of that anyhow. ... ... ... [End]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by cora 4 year 3,611

As for the T2, it is a must have IMO but I don’t use it to treat except for those cases already posted about. ... ... Why a must and what cases already posted? [End]
- Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by Newport 4 year 3,504
  
  http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1262068 [End]
  - Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by cora 4 year 6,700
    
    Pretty cool. Tks. Any particular reason for right vs. left foot? [End]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by parazapper 4 year 3,643

- tens pads ... ... I tried using TENS pads but found that they ate up much of the zappers power. Upon measuring, I found that they had a very high resistance compard to the copper electrodes with wet paper towels. ... ... [End]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by pistolpiet22 4 year 3,373

What I meant by cumbersome is yes, the UZ has wires all over the place and when your busy watching the clock you can’t move much as the clips will eventually unclip themselves. An annoyance for me, maybe not others. [End]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by pistolpiet22 4 year 3,547

If anyone here makes zappers I would gladly test the zapper for you and write a balanced review of what I think of it. ... ... I already have experience with others so can compare it in an unbiased way for this forum. ... ... Excellent, let me know if there are any takers. ... ... Piet [End]

Re: $10 Zapperplans zapper, Ultimate zapper, Terminator2 and Silverado z... by parazapper 4 year 3,767

While I do not have any financial ties to tendollarzapper.com I suggest that you get one from them and compare it. I think that you might want to keep it. ... ... Of all the competing zappers, I find it one of the most impressive considering price, quality, ruggedness, etc. ... ... It does use alligator clips and it does not have an on-off switch but it does have a LED. ... ... I would rate it as 5 times as good as the zapper plans zapper. Of course, everyone knows what zappers I consider to be the best. Too bad you can not get the MX anylonger. ... ... [End]

Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS

by Raphael81 4 year 2,448 AIDS Support / Dr. Clark / Dr. Clark / 4 / 5 / 6

... Hello there ... ... I posted a while ago a message about my clinical tests after following Clark’s protocol for a while . ... ... Another friend of mine followed some parts of Clark’s protocol and got very significant results . He used the parasite killing herbs and a simple zapper .His virus load came down from 135.000 to 25.000 in only two months with NO meds . He is now 9 years serumpositive.There was no significant change in his cd4 count , ratio and stuff (but he has not yet tried the stuff she mentiones about the detofification of the lymphocytes ). ... ... I have followed thorougly Clark’s proto ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by mo123 4 year 2,246

I read where she said if you juice and entire pumpkin, seeds, rind and all you would not HIV. [End]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by Raphael81 4 year 2,079

Where does she says that? ... ... Clark’s protocol is complex and requires a lot of stuff to do [End]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by parazapper 4 year 2,359

Just a couple of points about HIV here. ... ... 1) I have looked extensively and can not find anywhere that it is documented and proven that a person identified as HIV positive actually had an active viral HIV infection. The HIV test only tests for antibodies and then for the presence of similar DNA in the blood. There is NO TEST for actual HIV viri. The HIV test is ”NOT FDA APPROVED” for determination of either HIV infection or for AIDS. ... ... 2) There is not any proven relationship between HIV and AIDS. A large percentage of people who die of AIDS related symptoms are HIV negative. ... ... For more i ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,252

Exactly! We should also add the fact that viral load is a joke. It cannot prove the presence of a particular virus nor does it show viral acitivity or level. It is merely a sales tool to make someone think they are getting sicker or better to allow the prescribing of drugs, and to make those drugs appear either effective or not. ... ... The viral load (polymerase chain reaction) test is highly prone to fasle positives, and cannot differentiate between microbes. The test amplifies SEGEMENTS of genetic material, not whole genes, over and over until they reach detectable levels. The more times the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by Raphael81 4 year 2,217

I used to think of that way too in the past . ... ... But when my virus load was high i was fatigued and had many health issues .But when it was coming down i was feeling better.I am almost a decade hiv+ and from people i know the same applied to them . Every people i knew that was really sick had a high virus load . ... ... I do not know what exactly this test measures but it may not be a good idea to deny it completely . ... ... And people who have used some kind of zapper have significant lower viral counts afterwards..asuming that the zapper is killing pathogens maybe this test is connected to some k ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by parazapper 4 year 2,044

- virus load was high i was fatigued and had many health issues ... ... Yes, that can definitely be true. Any time that there is a lot of any foreign substance or abnormal substance in your body, it is likely to have a very negative effect if only from the amount of effort required to remove it. ... ... - The most important thing is that we look in practical matters than in theories ... ... Most good theories are based on practical matters. ... ... One of the theories is that viral load is a product of your own cells gone awry, dying, and releasing their contents into your body. This would entirely explaine ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by happyhealthygal 4 year 2,037

Why do you believe that HIV has not been isolated? ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3053989 ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9171218?dopt=Abstract ... ... I could post hundreds of studies here, but won’t bother until I know that you actually read them! ... ... Do you believe that ANY viruses have been isolated? ... ... What is your alternative hypothesis for the cause of AIDS? How is the proof more convincing for you alternative hypothesis? [End]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by parazapper 4 year 2,044

- using a standard bacteriophage lambda vector and a novel progressive amplification procedure ... ... This is not the actual isolation of a virus and is not verified by EM examination. ... ... Please provide more, especially seeking verification through the use of Koch’s postulates. ... [End]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,249

What is your alternative hypothesis for the cause of AIDS? ... ... Why don’t you define AIDS? If you know the definition then you would also know that it can have multiple causes. While you are at it why don’t you show us PROOF that HIV is absolutely present in any AIDS cases. By the way, HIV antibody testing and PCR cannot do this. Good luck! [End]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS RRR by happyhealthygal 4 year 2,341

(in reply to Hvergathi’s post) ... ... LOL! Are you just making this stuff up as you go along? ... You apparently can’t decide which (90% incorrect) beliefs about HIV and AIDS you want to hold! ... ... ... ... You have written (twice!) that “HIV infection CANNOT cause any diseases in man” (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1318407#i), and then, later, you wrote “I seriously doubt that you have been infected with HIV for 20 years. If you were actually infected with HIV for that long then you would be a walking miracle.” (http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1322101#i EDIT: fixed link that didn’t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by parazapper 4 year 2,021

- - If it is shown that a pathogen can be cultured from near 100% of people who are seropositive by immunoassay followed by Western Blot, and 0% of people who are seronegative, why are antibody tests insufficient to establish the presence of the pathogen to a high degree of certainty? ... ... Let me know when this actually happens in a case where they can actually isolate and prove the existance of a specific virus actively involved in the infection. ... ... Cut the smoke and mirrors routing and show me the virus! ... ... 1) Of the people who die each year of ”AIDS related illness”, less than half are HI ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by Hveragerthi 4 year 2,129

I see you are still clueless when it comes to medicine. You ask a lot of questions when you clearly do not know the answers yourself. This is evidenced by the fact that you think PCR can detect a virus. This IS NOT the case. PCR amplifies SEGEMENTS of genetic material, not whole virus. These segments are shared by other microbes. Look this fact up on Medline. They even admit that doctors often cannot agree with what is being amplified. And this does not even take in to account problems like product carry over, calibration, operator knowledge, etc. ... ... As for HIV being classified as a leukem ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by AnimatedStar 4 year 2,042

cat fight! i wish we all worked together and not argued or spread information that is not ”proven”. this misleads people and they do not get the proper medical attention. while i beleive in natural medicine, i won’t put all my eggs in one basket. it’s been 2 years since i tested positive and i still don’t have any symptoms (thank god). other people do and are on meds. with that being said, everyone is different. your lifestyle, your job, stress, those are big factors i think that push the symptoms. what works for me is AVOID stress, go to bed early, eat well, eat organic, get a massa ... [retrieve this message]

Research PROVEN Aids Treatment that stops replication of virus. by #76849 4 year 2,108

I have just posted a message with links to the articles on the Aids Support Forum. Please go to and read. [End]

Re: Clark's protocol and HIV/AIDS by betonet 4 year 2,156

Hi There! I ordered dr. Clark books and soon will order the herbs. Rafael thanks for the good info! ... ... Anyone else tried Clark’s protocol? [End]

Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction

BSA by White Shark 5 year 78,815 Liver Flush FAQ / Liver Flus / Liver Flus / 4 / 5 / 6

Can Gallstones really exit gallbaldder and move to intestines? ... ... - Some gallstones from some gallbladders can exit and move to intestines. ... ... So, the liver flush may support that process. ... ... (Yes, a fatty dinner just might do something similar, but I am not convinced that the benefits of a fatty dinner can be compared to the benefits of a liver flush. ... ... Many, if not all people who tried liver flush, also ”tried” many fatty dinners (many times in their life), usually with not as many health benefits. But there is no doubt that fatty dinner is flushing your liver and your gallbladder, that ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver flush: separating facts from fiction by Abba V 5 year 12,426

Great post Whiteshark!.. if only you had posted before that 94312 physcho-babble. Take note 94312, this is how you add useful material into a debate\discussion. ... ... Whiteshark, I think my biggest pet peeve is so many of these sites that are selling these flushes pass the ’soap stones’ as coming from the liver and gallbladder. They also fail to point out the dangers and facts you presented so well here. ... ... When I first started reading, I didn’t know the difference. But after this thread, I know that some small stones may pass through and be ~inside~ the ’soap’ stones created from the flush ’ ... [retrieve this message]

Excellent post by DoctorD 5 year 11,724

Well stated. [End]

I no longer have Lupus! With each liver flush the joint pains diminished. RN by Emera 4 year 17,531

What’s with all the debate? ... ... I have done 19 liver flushes. I had Lupus. ... ... With each liver flush I had more energy, and the joint pains diminished with each flush. ... ... I no longer have Lupus! My sister had Lupus....she no longer has it either! ... ... I eventually passed a stone that was half the size of an egg. So don’t tell me the stones are too big to pass. ... ... ... I could feel the stone moving through my liver/gall bladder with each flush. Finally, after nine liver flushes the actual stone passed and I could see how big it was. ... ... The gall bladder holds bile from the liver and sodium bica ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I no longer have Lupus! With each liver flush the joint pains dimini... by docT 4 year 11,326

I would suspect you were misdiagnosed. I am a doctor of alternative and western/modern medicine. Passing a stone of that size has never been heard of in my 18 years of research. If it were a true stone, it wouldn’t of been able to even lodge itself to become stuck. Sounds to me this stone was simply the same exact digested. ... Furthermore, there is no such things as stones passing through the liver. True gallstones can be formed in the billiary tracts that resides in the liver, which work their way into the gallbladder. ... Pardon me if I am misunderstanding your post. ... ... Doc T. [End]

Re: I no longer have Lupus! With each liver flush the joint pains dimini... by mariera 54 days 556

I really like this post. I would like to know if you cannot tolerate Magnesium Sulphate can I use Magnesium Chloride? ... I read on Cure Zone that it’s best to do parasite and kidney cleanse before you do the liver cleanse. What is the best parasite and kidney cleanse? ... I’m desperate. I suffer from mold toxicity,rheumatoid arthritis and other auto-immune disorders, due to the mold toxicity. I’m working on those issues, but after researching I realized that I will definately need to do those cleanse to achieve optimal health. [End]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by jaymovez 4 year 12,738

First of all. Gallstones that arn’t calcified are only made up of cholestrol and fats. So when exposed to air an heat, they will melt. Nothing new here. ... I have no idea why that person posted that video. ... ... ”The reason why liver stones are fats and cholesterol and only fats and cholesterol is because the other compounds are water-soluble, not fat-soluble. Water and fats don’t mix. You can’t have something that only mixes with water inside a fat glob.” ... -Shelley D ... ... Read this for more information about gallstones and their solubility. ... ... http://www.askshelley.com/forum/about4323.html ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by msteve666 4 year 10,988

Why I posted it was to add to factual observation for discussion about which I made no conclusions. [End]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by Paul DeGaul 4 year 10,311

So this is the science that proves that human digestion of oil results in a bunch of lumps? Brilliant. ... ... Somebody please describe this new digestive process. Here I was thinking that the oil is broken down into its fatty acids for digestion, and all the time it was turning to lumps in my gut. ... ... And what about people who have had the stones analyzed in a lab and have found them to be cholesterol, not olive oil? Anybody really care about answering that since you’ve concluded that the die can’t lie? ... ... Who can say that die would not penetrate a soft cholesterol stone anyway? I have ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by rockym906 3 year 8,852

The oil does not produce the stones!!! This is totally false information!!!! Do your research before you post!!! And here is proof: Liver flushes should be done each month or so until you have expelled all stones at which times when you do additional liver flushes, no more stones will come out!!! When all stones are expelled, you can try additional flushes, but no more stones will come out. If the oil forms the stones, then after each flush, stones should come out, but once you have expelled all stones, stones will cease to come out. Try it yourself before you put false info on this site!!! [End]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by lisamarie23 3 year 7,736

exactly. ... ... the so called scientists who try to refute the validity of the liver cleanse have glossed over one of the most important tenets of real science... ... ... repeatability. ... ... all verifiable is repeatable. ... ... whereas, when people do liver flushes, the results vary dramatically from flush to flush. ... ... but when people eat the same diets, their stool rarely varies from day to day. ... ... [End]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by Jerome99 21 mon 5,126

This is totally correct. Those who claim that the ”stones” expelled during a liver flush are merely olive oil and juice that has been ”calcified,” etc., are putting forth false information. I know this because I passed two such green fatty ”stones” the first time I ever did a coffee enema, which was long before I had ever tried a liver flush. Then, when I tried a liver flush months later, I passed many more of the same exact ”stones.” Not only that, but I no longer became drowsy at all after eating. ... ... Not to mention, upon examining the stones that I had expelled after the liver flush, ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by awake2freedom 17 mon 4,936

Ok I really hope that this helps with the understanding of what happens when we digest fat (including olive oil) and how the liver flush works. When we ingest fat it is passed through the oesophagus and into the stomach. The digestion of fats takes place mainly in the small intestines. When chyme (digestive juice and partly digested food) is passed from the stomach into the small intestine a hormonal signal causes the gallbladder to contract and eject bile into the small intestine through the common bile duct, one of the functions of bile is to decreases the surface tension of lipid and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Liver Flush, Separating Facts from Fiction by #133341 32 mon 7,449

i was diagnose to have a hepa b reactive... and it really hurt me so much since it triggers my ambition to work in another country...is having a hepa b means no cure at all ? ... [End]

Dr. Clark and Quackwatch by ParaZapper 5 year 1,498

Quackwatch is the last place that I would count on for reliable information. ... ... Basically,a quack on that site is anyone who tells you something that the medical profession wants to keep from the public. For even better info about if Clark is a quack see hulda-clark-quack.com . ... [End]

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