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Challenge the message and not the messenger!
The first person to resort to name calling and personal attacks automatically loses the debate!
Personal attack is often the best indication that the writer knows his logic is flawed and therefore tries to deflect attention by attacking the opponent, instead of attacking the arguments of the opponent.

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The story of the cospaly Kill Bill by Clarke 8 days 277

Kill Bill follows a personality originally determined as ”The Bride”, a former member of an eliminating team who looks for vengeance on her ex-colleagues who massacred associates of her wedding ceremony and tried to destroy her. During the first movie she is successful in eliminating two of the five associates. Kill Bill is often mentioned for its fashionable route and its homages to movie styles such as Hong Kong fighting styles movies, Japanese people chanbara movies , French pasta westerns, girls with weapons, and sexua| assault and vengeance. ... ... cheap cosplay outfit: www.cosplaysuperde ... [retrieve this message]

Abortion as a Blessing by #23914 4 mon 433

Abortion as a Blessing, Grace, or Gift: Changing the Conversation about Reproductive Rights and Moral Values ... Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:13 ... By Valerie Tarico, Away Point | Op-Ed ... ... 1font size decrease font size increase font size ... ... How can we reclaim the moral high ground in the debate about abortion as a part of thoughtful, wise loving and living? ... ... ... ... Most Americans think of childbearing as a deeply personal or even sacred decision. So do most reproductive rights advocates. That is why we don’t think anybody’s boss or any institution should have a say in it. But for almost ... [retrieve this message]

‘Legitimate rape’ comment was not a misstatement. It’s a worldview

by LCD 9 mon 1,351 Women’s Forum / Rape / Science / 4 / 5

‘Legitimate rape’ comment was not a misstatement. It’s a worldview ... By LAURA HELMUTH ... ... Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri, the Republican candidate for the Missouri Senate race, told a St. Louis news station on Sunday that “legitimate rape” rarely causes pregnancy: “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” ... ... http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/20/v-print/2960507/legitimate-rape-comment-was-not.html#storylink=cpy ... ... He later took it back, but this wasn’t a misstatement. It wasn’t a gaffe or a stray bit of medical misinformation that could have atta ... [retrieve this message]

Re: ‘Legitimate rape’ comment was not a misstatement. It’s a worldview by KatyQ 8 mon 1,584

When I heard that statement I was thinking it was along the line of ”legitimate” meaning ”confirmed” or a legally defined rape. It’s surprising the way people take things and run with them! [End]

Any athiests here? by #140908 19 mon 834

I was just wondering if any athiests are anti-abortion. Or is the movement predominately limited to those with a religious affiliation. [End]
- Re: Any athiests here? by D0br0lub 19 mon 1,625
  
  Define an atheist. [End]
October baby... movie by vektek 19 mon 816

http://www.octoberbabymovie.net/ [End]
The Broken Ones by refreshed 20 mon 831

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORD1kCCOe_E&NR=1&feature=fvwp [End]
- Re: The Broken Ones by dirtclerk 20 mon 847
  
  http://www.180movie.com/ ... [End]
  - Re: The Broken Ones by refreshed 20 mon 797
    
    I didn’t know where that video was going at first....oh but what a great witness that was. Thanks dirtclerk. :) [End]

PhD Research Survey from University of Warwick about abortion by raykwok 21 mon 1,176

Dear members, ... ... Please help complete the questionnaire for my PhD research in the University of Warwick regarding involvement in abortion online community. The University of Warwick based survey link is: ... ... https://wbs.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_dpamDbU36OFqiO0 ... ... Once you have completed the survey, you will be entered into a prize draw to win one of thirty £30 (or US$50) Amazon vouchers. ... ... Research findings will be posted at http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/wbs/projects/online-community/ in September 2011 to explain: ... ... You support is very important to this ... [retrieve this message]

Pro-life groups call for Pepsi boycott over aborted fetal ce

by #68716 22 mon 4,822

Pro-life groups call for Pepsi boycott over aborted fetal cell lines ... ... BY REBECCA MILLETTE ... ... Thu May 26, 2011 14:17 EST ... ... LARGO, Florida, May 26, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Scores of prolife groups are calling for a public boycott of food giant, PepsiCo, due to its partnership with Senomyx, a biotech company that uses aborted fetal cells in the research and development of artificial flavor enhancers. ... ... LifeSiteNews previously reported on Senomyx’s partnership with major food corporations, most notably PepsiCo, Kraft Foods, and Nestlé. ... ... Pro-life watchdog group, Children of God for Li ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Pro-life groups call for Pepsi boycott over aborted fetal ce by gaving 22 mon 4,556

Abortion is legal so what’s wrong with using the cells? ... I would think that almost anything is better than putting them in the garbage can. [End]

Re: Pro-life groups call for Pepsi boycott over aborted fetal ce by chavey 22 mon 4,708

[[Abortion is legal so what’s wrong with using the cells?]] ... ... Perhaps never asking the owners permission might have something to do with that, who knows:) ... [End]

List of Pepsi brands by #68716 22 mon 5,660

... ... League Joins Pepsi Boycott ... Posted by Corrina Gura (June 1, 2011 at 10:18 am) ... ... The Pro-Life Action League invites you to join us in boycotting PepsiCo. ... ... Good tasting beverages should not in any way be developed from the cells of aborted babies. Until Pepsi acknowledges this and drops all ties with Senomyx, pro-lifers must stop buying all Pepsi products. ... ... The Abortion Connection ... ... Children of God for Life (COGFL), an organization devoted to identifying ethical and unethical vaccines, medicines, and other products, discovered in late March a disgusting use of aborted fetal tissue: ... [retrieve this message]

Abort Pepsi! Abort! - why Pepsi being singled out? by #68716 22 mon 5,124

... Abort Pepsi! Abort! ... By wadingacross ... ... If the claim is true and Pepsi and its contracting company refuse to change methods/usage, they may both find themselves in a financial quandary. ... ... What am I talking about? Apparently it has come to light that a company which PepsiCo uses to provide flavors for their products uses human cells in the production of said flavors. ... ... Aborted human cells. ... ... Let me make it clear that the claim made against the company, Senomyx, acknowledges that no human cells are in their final products or in Pepsi Co’s products. ... ... This however does not negate the m ... [retrieve this message]

The Story Behind Pepsi’s Upcoming, “Scientifically Advantage by #68716 22 mon 4,660

The Story Behind Pepsi’s Upcoming, “Scientifically Advantaged,” Low-Calorie Soda ... ... By Melanie Warner | May 13, 2011 ... ... In a New Yorker article this week about PepsiCo’s (PEP) ambitious attempts to create healthier and “scientifically advantaged” products (”Snacks for a Fat Planet”), writer John Seabrook details a newfangled soda in Pepsi’s pipeline that could be in coolers and shelves everywhere within the next six months. He writes: ... ... [It’s] a cola that is supposed to taste like regular Pepsi but that has sixty per cent less sugar. I heard it described around headquarters as “a very big ... [retrieve this message]

Re: List of Pepsi brands by chavey 22 mon 4,425

No need for me to boycott those products Mira,they nearly killed me, sounds like a ghost story hmm? :) [End]

Re: Pro-life groups call for Pepsi boycott over aborted fetal ce by #142224 22 mon 4,990

”Abortion is legal so what’s wrong with using the cells? ... I would think that almost anything is better than putting them in the garbage can.” ... ... Geesh,,I guess some people would eat anything.Including other people. Not out of desperation either, but just for a snack. [End]

Isn't this a form of cannibalism? n/m by #142224 22 mon 4,522
- Re: Isn't this a form of cannibalism? n/m by refreshed 22 mon 4,493
  
  Not to make light of the subject matter but with all this hype about zombies lately....is this how they are created? A desire for the taste of human? [End]
  - Re: Isn't this a form of cannibalism? n/m by chavey 22 mon 4,702
    
    ”Sweeney Todd” pie anyone? :) [End]

The Day Abortion will Become an Unquestionable Right by #23914 25 mon 1,788

http://www.truth-out.org/abortion/%5Bfield_published_date-timestamp%5D ... ... ... CLICK ON ADDRESS TO SEE CARTOON ... [End]
- Re: The Day Abortion will Become an Unquestionable Right by grassman 25 mon 1,979
  
  Abortion exists only because men do not want to be responsible for there sexua| conduct. [End]

Boycott Pepsi & Nestle & Kraft using aborted cells for flavour test by AustinM 25 mon 4,886

http://www.cogforlife.org/senomyxalert.htm ... UPDATE!!! March 29, 2011 11:45AM ... ... Within hours of our press release, Children of God for Life received notice from Campbell Soup that they have severed their ties with Senomyx. ... ... ... ... Stated Juli Mandel Sloves, Senior Manager of Nutrition & Wellness Communications at Campbell Soup Company, " We are no longer in partnership with Senomyx. This fact was discussed during the Senomyx conference call with its investors earlier this month." ... ... ... ... If you choose to write to Campbell Soup, please thank them for their ... [retrieve this message]

'ObamaCare' Repeal Fight Reignites Abortion Debate by #69242 28 mon 2,071

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/19/obamacare-repeal-fight-reignites-abortion-debate/ ... ... ObamaCare’ Repeal Fight Reignites Abortion Debate ... ... By Shannon Bream ... Published January 19, 2011 ... ... FoxNews.com ... ... It was an issue that nearly derailed President Obama’s national health care law: whether the plan would provide any federal funds for abortion. Now, as Republicans have taken up the effort to repeal the law, the issue has returned to the forefront. ... Before the law was passed, pro-life advocates argued that nothing would stop taxpayer dollars from being used to finance abortions th ... [retrieve this message]

individual state laws concerning abortion..........

by #133264 30 mon 1,735

Inside Abortion ... ... ... ... State Laws ... ... Alabama Abortion Laws ... ... Alaska Abortion Laws ... ... Arizona Abortion Laws ... ... Arkansas Abortion Laws ... ... California Abortion Laws ... ... Colorado Abortion Laws ... ... Connecticut Abortion Laws ... ... Delaware Abortion Laws ... ... District of Columbia Abortion Laws ... ... Florida Abortion Laws ... ... Georgia Abortion Laws ... ... Hawaii Abortion Laws ... ... Idaho Abortion Laws ... ... Illinois Abortion Laws ... ... Indiana Abortion Laws ... ... Iowa Abor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: individual state laws concerning abortion.......... by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,326

Comprehensive list, thanks. ... ... spud [End]
- ...you're quite welcome. :0)) n/m by #133264 30 mon 1,330
- Re: individual state laws concerning abortion.......... by #132635 30 mon 1,364
  
  Well Spud we have you, yourself and I agreeing to that #:) [End]
  - Re: individual state laws concerning abortion.......... by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,335
    
    Don’t understand your message Tomi. ... ... spud [End]

I get the message !!!

by dbModerator 30 mon 1,260

OK I get the message, I’ve gone overboard and been over-zealous and failed Moderator training school! Mea culpa! Kind of like a see-saw, hopefully it’ll level out soon. ... ... Rest assured, I have a sense of humor and actually I’m happy that I was doing too much because I could never keep it up! If you want to fire me that’s fine, I’ll fade away into the darkness ... ... ... No I didn’t hit all the alert buttons, I can’t see who does, so maybe I’ll go back to doing it this way: if there aren’t too many alerts, I can try posting a link to find out whether anyone here seems offended, as all of y ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I get the message !!! by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,112

I’m very glad to see that you got the message. ... ... When we, as forum members, asked for moderation, we did so because we wanted, the very nasty personal attacks, to stop. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725499#i ... ... Maybe, if you concentrate on simply keeping a weather eye out, for these personal attacks, and slander of other posters, your job will be a lot easier, and you will not be interfering in the actual debates, and censoring people’s posts and information. ... ... There are some people here, that will use the alert system to promote their own agenda. They will use the moderator’s ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I get the message !!! by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,049

Pretty much bang on. ... ... To reiterate. Just need personal attacks between forum members to stop. Information must be explored freely without the biased political correctness. [End]

Thanks by Tiki 30 mon 1,142

Forum members...

by Iolite 30 mon 1,164

The mod has disabled our ability to edit our messages!!! What other forums do this? This is fricking insane. Mod, are you going to censor this post too? FYI, fricking IS NOT a bad word, AND I haven’t attacked any members or other invisible, non-named persons or entities. ... ... iolite ... ... This is beyond censorship, this is tyrrany! [End]

Re: Forum members... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,116

Resistance is futile. The fuzzy bunny parade has begun. ... ... ... [End]

Re: Forum members... by Iolite 30 mon 1,101

Ya know IC... I live in the US... We fought the British Crown and won independence. We protested the Vietnam war and ended the draft. I know we’ve gotten soft and lazy and Dubba has nearly stomped out ALL our civil rights, but dammit, there’s still a fight left in us! We are slowly coming out of our coma and seeing the injustices done and we are uniting once again! ... ... I am joining the Bajoran Resistance against the Cardassian Over Lord (aka Moderator)! Who is with me!!! ... ... iolite [End]

Re: Forum members... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,142

Edited for grandma db’s satisfaction... ... ... ”Ya know IC... I live in the US... We fought overcame the British Crown and won independence. We protested aired our concerns about the Vietnam war and ended the draft. I know we’ve gotten soft and lazy unmotivated and Dubba George w. Bush has nearly stomped out reduced ALL our civil rights, but dammit, gosh, golly, gee there’s still a fight disagreance left in us! We are slowly coming out of our coma lack of awareness and seeing the injustices done and we are uniting once again! ... ... I am joining the Bajoran Resistance against to peti ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Forum members... by #132635 30 mon 1,111

King George, all is forgiven. [End]
- Re: Forum members... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,170
  
  God, pestilence. [End]

Re: Forum members... by dbModerator 30 mon 1,105

”Resistance is futile. The fuzzy bunny parade has begun.” ... ... ---------------- ... ... I do enjoy your sense of humor. ... ... ... [End]

Re: Forum members... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,107

Glad you see it as that. It’s my calling card. ... ... ... I think Mira if you just focus on the nastiness that went on between members (that was why we needed moderation)and allow all information be examined openly, things will be just fine. It will save you a ton of work and keep everyone on all sides happy(for the most part). ... ... In the political forum we must allow dissent and political agendas and personalities etc, to be examined and scrutinized. ... The same is true in the conspiracy forum. Too be stifled due to political correctness goes way against the grain in these kinds of forums with ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Forum members... by Tiki 30 mon 1,147

Before we get too crazy, maybe it’s a mistake. Let him respond. [End]

Re: Forum members... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,067

Editing one post = mistake. Going on an editing spree is a mission. [End]

Re: Forum members... by RyanD 30 mon 1,139

I certainly hope the loss of the editing function is a mistake. ... I remember the days before the webmaster installed this elevating function ! ... I often wrote posts on a piece of paper first or used my inbox then cut and paste, a tedious process! ... Incoherency due to spelling error and misplaced words was a price paid for the privilege of being an active member of Curezone ,but I sure don’t want to to return to the archaic practice of placing posts without an editing function! ... Or are we moving in reverse in order to accommodate political and social correctness? [End]

Re: Forum members... by RyanD 30 mon 1,154

Oh yah! Well for whatever reason between the time I began the above post and submitted it the edit function has returned. ... At least from my point of observation! Funny! [End]

Re: Forum members... by RyanD 30 mon 1,148

And the more authority is put in place the more chaos takes control! The warning says 24 hours but it only took a few minutes to go into effect! Is anyone in control beside Captain Chaos And Admiral Wrongway Strongarm? ... Hell I have a better solution, why not just eliminate the debate forums and bring the chaos back to the support forums! lmaorotf!!! ... ... ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/edit_disallowed.asp?i=1725760 ... [End]

Re: Forum members... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,104

Bunnies rule. ... ... Can you imagine how the zionist agenda could be edited for political correctness. I know one prominent poster/forum owner/mod that may have a something to say when it impeded his ability to share info in an open evaluation style. ... ... Calling a spade a spade.... ... ... Censorship. ... ... This needs to be nipped in the bud. ... ... The tipping point for me was when the word ”men” was seen as a problem. At that point I got a glimpse into a belief system behind the mask and an agenda that flows out of it. ... ... The amazing thing is that most of the posters on all sides of all issues are see ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Forum members... by dbModerator 30 mon 1,150

Geesh, I’m not powerful enough to disable your ability to edit your messages, even if I wanted to! I’m not a dictator, I get the message. ... ... I haven’t been logged on here since last night, been at work all day. ... ... I’d be most happy to fade away into the darkness ... ... ... Please see this post. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725877#i ... ... ... --dbModerator [End]

Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message

/31 1 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,327

For some reason the politcal forum is broke so I thought I’d post this here for shits and giggles. Ooops I should edit that to fecal waste removal and giggles so as not to offend the moderators grandma. anyhoo... ... ... Ryan I think Tiki is being blatantly facetious to make a point regarding our new sheriff that rode in on a comet of love and light. ... ... ... I think we all agree this has gone wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ... overboard. ... ... Imagine us agreeing on this censorship issue. All we All wanted was personal attacks stopped. Now we are seeing the political correctness bug being unleashed to shut d ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message2 by RyanD 30 mon 1,279

The past ongoing chaos has always been based around the fact that offering a point of view that doesn’t comply with your own is somehow an attack ! At least three of the posters have attempted to claim these differences in opinion as a personal attacks particularly those who would promote the concept that men have no business in a debate forum on abortion! Allowing personal feelings or biases like this begs for censorship as a solution! ... Dismissive attitudes and thin skin offer nothing in a debate forum of any kind! ... Yes some have crossed the line of common sense, a debate is not a debate ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message3 by #133264 30 mon 1,304

...seems I spoke too soon when I called him(?) good and fair.. ... ... Cant blame me, I volunteered for the job. ... I was scorned...and my heart was broken..:0( [End]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message4 by #132635 30 mon 1,297

[[[At least three of the posters have attempted to claim these differences in opinion as a personal attacks particularly those who would promote the concept that men have no business in a debate forum on abortion! Allowing personal feelings or biases like this begs for censorship as a solution!]]] ... ... ”men have no business in a debate forum on abortion!” ... ... Really? ... Some people actually do not realise their biases are the main cause of disruption. ... ... Team-play such as pro this and pro that creates conflict. ... ... Abortion is about ending a life without their consent. ... ... So now we have it, cens ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message5 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,376

Before it was a debate forum with sticks and clubs in a wide open field. Now the clubs and stick are gone. The field has been reduced to a small room with a very bright light known as the sin washer max 100. [End]

Re: Message to everyone including the Mod!6 by Iolite 30 mon 1,265

Alright everyone.... pick your side of the wall. On the count of three, we’ll stick out our tongues! ... ... I do hope THAT is allowed! [End]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message7 by #132635 30 mon 1,255

Change is painful, mustn’t panic, it will all come out in the wash. [End]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message8 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,311

These bunny ears are digging into my scalp. Don’t even get me started on what the tail is doing. ... ... ... The fuzzy bunny parade marches on into the searing light. [End]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message "edited"9 by #132635 30 mon 1,270

Observe IC, Anchors dropped, reassessing is taking place. ... ... Give people a chance to put the boat back on course. ... ... No need to rock the boat. ... ... ... [End]

Re: Message to Ryan: Regarding Tiki's Message10 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,299

Take off the bunny slippers before it’s tooooo laaattttteeee. [End]

Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.11 by #132635 30 mon 1,417

... ... [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.12 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,252

You guys literally have me laughing out loud, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.13 by #132635 30 mon 1,277

Your welcome Mira, after that debacle one needs a laugh, but for pete’s sake don’t reproach yourself. ... You have stopped the continuous rebel rousing that went on here, and for someone to do it voluntarily I take my hat to you. ... ... Yes we needed to amend but that takes time and help and I don’t think you were given enough unfortunately but the message has made us all think a little more about our attitudes towards each other. ... ... So thanks very much for your time and effort let’s hope that this is a beginning that continues to flow without emotions running too high after all abortion is an em ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.14 by #133264 30 mon 1,305

hey, speak for yourself...:0) ... ... ... oh, I rabble, but I’m not a rebel... [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.15 by #132635 30 mon 1,273

The post your referring to was in respect of attitudes towards a person that attempted to bring some order to this forum. ... ... Unfortunately the moderator was never given back-up by person/s who volunteered their services to look after forum/s in the beginning. Nobody has questioned their disappearance? ... ... So it was bloody obvious to me that there will be mistakes but instead of calling for calmness some members immediately jumped on the moderators back which was totally out of order. ... ... If I remember at the offset the moderator asked all to abide TOS and to remove or edit any personal posts ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.16 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,369

... ... It is not at all out of order to ask for an explanation when a post is edited, when there is no breach of TOS. If you destroy someone’s post because of a personal agenda, than ”sorry I made a mistake, oops” , does not cut it. ... ... Moderators are sent a whole list of guidelines by the Webmaster, and in this case those guidelines were ignored. ... ... There was plenty of time to explain why posts were edited, hidden and deleted, but this was not done. ... ... ... ... This I absolutely support. ... ... spud ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.17 by #132635 30 mon 1,327

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1724122 ... ... ... I was referring to this post Spud and yes after which things got silly and deteriorated and got into a kerfuffle but nevertheless we were informed that if ones post was either deleted or edited the moderator would amend if she agreed. ... ... At that time it was obvious to me that things were going pear-shaped, hence someone should have at that time informed the moderator privately what was occurring by her actions and put everything on hold. Instead there was a surge of protest from people complaining individually, result was chaos. ... ... Along ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.18 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,240

I wasn’t talking about old posts, people did amend or delete these posts in many cases. I’m talking about the moderator editing, hiding or deleting posts, that she had no business doing anything too. ... ... We are all aware of what constitutes a personal attack, slander, and name calling. A simple warning that these things would not be tolerated in future posts, would have sufficed. ... ... Then if these things occurred then the offender could be warned, and if they continued, the posts could be hidden, deleted or moved. ... ... A post that is relevant to the topic, and contains no personal attacks, sl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.19 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,280

... ... People should not have to make a case to a moderator, when the edited or hidden post, did not breach any TOS. It is the moderators job to know what the TOS are, and be mindful of the fact that these are debate forums. It is not the moderators job to censor posts, particularly without any warning or explanation. This is why there was a kerfuffle. ... ... BTW, once a post is edited or deleted by a moderator, it cannot be restored or amended, a moderator can only unhide a hidden post. This is why it is so important for a moderator to err on the side of caution when editing or deleting. ... ... spud [retrieve this message]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.20 by #132635 30 mon 1,246

Spud everything your saying there was at the time I spoke of when things went PEARSHAPED. ... ... As for people amending INSULTING posts it did not happen in my case bloody well happen. I had to post a protest three times on one particular personal insult post and in the end had to confront the offending author. ... I was watching this carefully and for some time the moderators request were ignored and I’m not going through the tedious task to point them out to you. ... People know what an insult is without nit-picking so why do it in the first place. If people wish to act like children they will be ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.

/31 21 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,227

The whole sorry mess, is a moot point anyway, so I’m quite happy to end this discussion here. ... ... spud [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.22 by #132635 30 mon 1,220

[[[I wasn’t talking about old posts, people did amend or delete these posts in many cases. I’m talking about the moderator editing, hiding or deleting posts, that she had no business doing anything too]]] ... ... Well moot it might be Spud but erase some did not irrespective of whether someone had the right to point them out is not the case. Breaking TOS rules is breaking TOS rules and this post points that out. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp? ... ... ... [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.23 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,255

I thought you didn’t want to go on about TOS? ... ... I’m going to move on from this whole episode, I have no problem with sticking to the TOS, what others do is up to them. ... ... spud [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.24 by #132635 30 mon 1,340

I didn’t until pushed Spud, btw 10 of those are yours. [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.25 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,268

And as you will see if you read them in context, is that I was defending myself against attacks made. As I explained already in other posts, people got fed up with being attacked, relentlessly, and even after alerting the moderator and the Webmaster, nothing was done, so they fought back. Just as you did many a time when your were attacked and slandered, and all the alerts did nothing. ... ... I make absolutely no apology for this either, a person can only take so much. ... ... Calling out someone who is doing the attacking, is not against TOS. ... ... ... I and others, asked for moderation in these forums ... [retrieve this message]

Re: double post, now deleted. n/m26 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,294

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.27 by #133264 30 mon 1,286

I think much of the problem stems from the fact that there are so many here who unadmittedly are part of the problem. ... The doublespeak is hilarious to be honest. ... The blame game is in full force... ... ... Notice how a few members are no longer posting, or posting as much, and the arguing has grinded to a halt. ... ... [End]

Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.28 by #133264 30 mon 1,293

....victims too. ... There are so many victims...... ... makes one wonder why there was a problem in the first place! [End]
Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.29 by #132635 30 mon 1,373

Cause and Effect. ... ... Smile, ’tis your Choice. ... ... Now who comes to mind (: ) ) ::::]======] ? ... ... [End]
- Re: Rabbit, Rabbit, Rabbit.30 by #133264 30 mon 1,291
  
  ’Now who comes to mind (: ) ) ::::]======] ?’ ... ... lol, where shall I begin.... [End]

To the Moderator

by Tiki 30 mon 1,190

I understand that you seem to have a giant job on this forum. But my advice is this. Watch, like a hawk, the poster that has, in the past, been so abusive. And everything else will fall into place. There is one poster that starts the abuse and then we all fall into attacking back. I think that if you do this, you won’t have to spend time trying to decide whether ”men” is being used in an abusive way. ... It’s the personal attacks that are so offensive. [End]

Re: To the Moderator by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,070

Tiki, stopping the personal attacks is why we all wanted moderation on this forum, and it appears that this has happened, the personal attacks, and the name calling, has stopped. What we don’t need on this forum is censorship. ... ... spud [End]

Re: To the Moderator by Tiki 30 mon 1,074

That is pretty much what I was trying to say. Go to the source of the personal attacks, stop it there, and there will not be any reason for anyone to ”lash out.” [End]

Re: To the Moderator by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,041

I am sure that the Webmaster does not want the debate forums to be censored. There is a big difference between moderation and censorship. ... ... spud [End]

Re: To the Moderator by Tiki 30 mon 1,095

Okay, I read some of the ”moderated” threads and understand what you mean by moderating is not editing. We need a moderator who can focus on personal abuse, i.e., spuds say something directly derogatory about me, Tiki. And not a man who thinks that it is his duty to weaken any pro choice argument. [End]

Re: To the Moderator by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,079

Editing posts that breach no TOS, are not a personal attack on a forum member, does not contain name calling or slander, is censorship, not moderation. ... ... It must also be remembered that this is not a support forum, it is a debate forum, and there are different rules here. ... ... Some information is controversial on a debate forum, and as this is a debate forum there will be disagreements, this is the nature of debate. ... ... spud [End]

Re: To the Moderator by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,067

I think this is pretty easily actually. If one examines the information only and leaves the person who posted the information out of the equation, then all is fine. ... ... ... In other words don’t shoot the piano player. ... ... I am sure there will be growing pains with a few posters but with tight moderation based on TOS things will be sorted out quickly. ... ... As far as controversial info being posted, that is welcomed because it can make very good debating material. Also if we are too politically correct in the info that can be shared then the entire point is lost. As far as information goes, it ... [retrieve this message]

Re: To the Moderator by Iolite 30 mon 1,124

”As far as controversial info being posted, that is welcomed because it can make very good debating material..” ... ... Tell me Mod...How can you debate a controversial subject like abortion without be controversial? ... ... I agree attacking the posters by calling him or her names has NO place in a debate forum. But we are adults, not children and do not need censorship. [End]

Re: To the Moderator by #133264 30 mon 1,033

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... [End]

Also To the *new* Moderator by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,129

When editing (butchering) a post due to personal sensitivities (censorship) can you please add ”censored by dbmoderator” in the post title? This will save us much time when gathering them all up to show the webmaster. Thanks. [End]

What constitutes a breach of TOS ...... (edit)

by dbModerator 30 mon 1,205

..... is subjective and open to interpretation. ... ... Please be aware that I’m learning and may change my mind about decisions due to feedback from posters and my learning curve. ... ... The criteria I use as I sit here deciding what to do is: would I want these things said to me or about my loved ones? The written word can defame the character of individuals and groups both within and also outside the Curezone community. What may seem inoffensive to you may seem offensive to others. ... ... Here’s a tip for you: before clicking the send button, you could read your post aloud, so you can hear ho ... [retrieve this message]

So far... by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,093

So far it seems the use of verbs, nouns, adjectives, adverbs, pronouns etc are the new fodder fro breaking TOS. ... ... ... All we ALL wanted was personal attacks to stop not an ushering in of a new thought police regime where any sensitive material can no longer be investigated for fear it may not measure up to a love and light brigade from planet agenda. ... ... ... This has gone way over board. ... ... When the word ”men” is removed from a post we have hit a new low in censorship. ... ... I will congratulate you though. In a weird and unsuspected way you have brought all forums members together against a comm ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What constitutes a breach of TOS by Megabite 30 mon 1,133

I do not totally agree with your Moderator Guidelines. For one thing this is Abortion Debate Forum, not Liver Flush Debate. ... ... First of all, your posts opens up with this: ... ... ”What constitutes a breach of TOS is subjective and open to interpretation.” ”What constitutes a breach of TOS is subjective and open to interpretation.” http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1679390#i ... ... ... ... Nor do I agree with this at all: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1680746#i ... ... ... People should always be free to post Videos to express themselves! ... ... And I’m sure there’s more.... ... ... I do not agree with Ce ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What constitutes a breach of TOS by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,094

Re: What constitutes a breach of TOS by Iolite 30 mon 1,090

I dunno IC, pink biped bunnies with googley eyes is bound to OFFEND someone... [End]

Re: What constitutes a breach of TOS by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,082

We must all be assimilated into the new age fluffy bunny borg. Resistance is futile. ... ... Began chanting now.... ... love and light ... love and light ... love and light ... ... ... Take a deep breath. ... ... ... ... ... You have been assimilated. [End]

Re: What constitutes a breach of TOS by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,113

”What constitutes a breach of TOS is subjective and open to interpretation.” ... ... ... It seems it is only open to the subjective interpretation of the new moderator. ... ... spud [End]

I get the message! by dbModerator 30 mon 1,168

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725877#i [End]

late term abortion laws

by #68716 30 mon 1,140

Pro choicers on this forum have often been critical of anyone posting information about late term abortions. They often write that late-term abortions are very rare and usually are restricted by law. I haven’t been able to find any reliable statistics to confrm whether this is true or not. ... ... Some may find it of interest to see what the laws are in various countries. ... ... **************** ... ... It appears that late-term abortion is allowed in some countries, like Canada, China and Vietman. ... ... I’m unable to confirm this information from Wikipedia, however if anyone knows of anything here that’ ... [retrieve this message]

Re: late term abortion laws by Tiki 30 mon 1,180

Late term abortions are rare in this country, not because of the law, but because of the choice made by the mother and the doctor. There are always people who have no morals - regardless of the ”law.” I do believe that although terminating a pregnancy is a decision that should be made by the mother and the the doctor and no one else, late term abortions should be done only under extreme conditions. BUt then, I also believe that every child born in the US has a ”RIGHT” to food, clothing, education, housing and healthcare. [End]

a few more thoughts ...

/73 1 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,413

... Keep in mind that when you write a message, it may be interpreted in different ways than you expect. Always ask yourself, is this something I’d say to a friend or family member sitting across the table from me? ... _________________________ ... ... For example, INSTEAD of writing things like ... ... ”if you had read my post” (this is a dig) ... ... or ... ... ”That flew right over your head” (this is an insult to the other’s intelligence) ... __________________________ ... ... You COULD write: ... ... ”What I meant was...” (Uses ”I” instead of ”you” and is respectful) ... ... or ... ... ”Please re-read my post” (This is respectful). ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...2 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,414

I would like to know why you have hidden my post in the thread below this one, I had not broken any TOS, nor was there any personal attack directed at anyone here. This is censorship, when you hide posts that do not break TOS, so please explain why this post was hidden. ... ... I would appreciate your input on this matter. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...3 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,309

Thank you for restoring my post, I would also like to draw your attention to several posts in that same thread, that have been edited by you. ... ... I would like to know why these posts have been edited, and what TOS they have breached, as from what I could see, none of the edited posts breached any TOS at all. ... ... For example: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725190#i ... ... This post originally said that society rewards domination and aggression by men. You have edited this and taken out the word men. I would like to know why, this does not breach any TOS, and it is not a personal attack on a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...4 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,349

”Great point MB, and particularly true in a society that rewards domination and aggression. ... spud ... (message edited by Moderator)” ... ... _-------------------------------------------- ... ... -- That one kind of leapt out at me. I took out the word ”male”. I took it as a negative generalization of men, ”male dominance and aggression”. ... ... from TOS: ... ... ” especially content with generalized statement(s) about members of any nation, religion, ethnic group, minority, race, gender” ... ... That was my interpretation. If you feel that was unfair, please state your case. Where I draw the line will likely ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...5 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,310

I explained that this was a valid opinion, society does indeed reward male dominance and aggression. This is a very specific comment on how society rewards male dominance and aggression, not a generalised statement about men. ... ... I do not feel as if I should have to make a case to a moderator, when I have not breached any TOS. This is a debate forum, not a support forum, if anyone cared to question my statement, I would gladly supply the studies to back up my statement. ... ... Your editing has changed the meaning of my post and this should be restored. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...6 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,360

That kind of censorship is going to limit extremely the examination of information. That is in the same ball park as though police ala Brave New World. ... If we can not examine groups or ideas there is no fuel for debate and this becomes a forum that fuels a type of hidden agenda where everyone must only post information that adheres to a love and light template. ... ... In the ”Men” case that is bordering on cartoonish in its scope of censorship. With that kind of filtering I would guestimate that 80% of all posts will be gone and then this will be exactly like the support side and negated its ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...7 by Megabite 30 mon 1,381

Well said, InnerCalm. My thoughts exactly. ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...8 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,307

Very well said, and you are correct, many people will stop posting in the debate forums, (some of which generate a great deal of hits for this site), and this censorship will be a nail in the coffin of curezone. ... ... I’ve even had music videos erased in the politics forums, that had no other message on them. This has become ridiculous. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...9 by Megabite 30 mon 1,389

”I explained that this was a valid opinion, society does indeed reward male dominance and aggression. This is a very specific comment on how society rewards male dominance and aggression, not a generalised statement about men.” ”I explained that this was a valid opinion, society does indeed reward male dominance and aggression. This is a very specific comment on how society rewards male dominance and aggression, not a generalised statement about men.” ... ... ... I agree spud, and this is a big part of the Abortion Debate. ... ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...10 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,300

Apparently it does not conform to the new moderators view. ... ... I would advise copying your posts MB, as if they are removed or edited you will have the original to take to the webmasters forum, or to contact the webmaster directly. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...11 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,279

... ... This tells me that you have been censoring posts on both sides of the debate, where there have been no breaches of TOS. This is not making a level playing field, this is censorship for all people. ... ... This censorship is wrong, and is not what the Webmaster would want to see on any curezone forum. ... ... Everyone on this forum supports moderation, this was asked for by several people, including yourself. What people wanted to see was a stop to the personal attacks, the slandering of posters, and the attacking of the messenger instead of the message. ... ... This has occurred, there has been no m ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...12 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,304

I see an agenda of rainbows and ponies and whistling in the dark being released. [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...13 by Tiki 30 mon 1,284

I see an agenda of ”Making Man (male) the Supreme Ruler.” [End]
- Re: a few more thoughts ...14 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,283
  
  I see political correctness dis ease. [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...15 by Megabite 30 mon 1,371

An Agenda of Fluffy Bunny Hugs and Rainbows perhaps? ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...16 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,365

New age mind sap. You must assimilate or be destroyed by the light. ... ... First it was nouns. ... ... Then verbs. ... ... Adjectives next. ... ... Adverbs fell too. ... ... Then..... ... ... Pronouns. ... ... ... No language left...just space. ... ... [End]

Re: I Believe the Intent Has Been Censorship *EDIT*17 by Megabite 30 mon 1,498

Hello Moderator, if I may interject my thoughts. ... ... It feels like there is too much Censorship going on here now. This is not a personal jab at you. *on EDIT (however, I do believe you are engaging in Censorship)* ... ... I personally felt like the last person that complained about this Forum was intending to Censor Free Speech in my posts and others here. That is my very strong opinion. ... ... Now it seems as if you may be unknowingly Moderating and editing posts to that person(s) taste. Maybe I am wrong but this is how I am viewing it according to what has happened here. You really cannot edit po ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...18 by #132635 30 mon 1,351

... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp? ... ... Well it appears that this particular member has ignored your requests, so where do we go from here moderator. ... ... I am requesting that these particular posts and there are more be erased. In my opinion they are way over the top and very insulting to me and my family. If nothing is done about it I am personally going to make a request to the Webmaster. ... ... I understand the difficulty of your job but you were promised by this particular member to erase messages that were deemed insulting to other members, there are many but alas your ... [retrieve this message]

n/m19 by #68716 30 mon 1,310

Re: a few more thoughts ...20 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,357

... I would like some answers to my concerns, that I have posted in this thread please. ... ... I will take this to the Webmaster, if these concerns are not addressed in this forum. As a Curezone member I am happy to abide by the TOS, but I will not be a silent victim of censorship by a moderator. ... ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...

/73 21 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,433

Please see this post: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725398#i ... ... If you ever feel that TOS are being violated, please report it to the Webmaster. Several links for this purpose are given in TOS: ... ... http://curezone.com/terms.asp ... ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...22 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,445

So where have I breached TOS in any of the posts that have been edited by you. ... ... I am always very careful about what I post, and have not breached any TOS in any post that has been edited or hidden. ... ... A moderator needs to be unbiased, and enforce TOS, a moderator does not have the right to censor the posts of other forum members. ... ... I have asked for an explanation as to why you edited my posts, and hid my post. You have not given me any explanation, so I will be taking this up with the Webmaster. ... ... spud ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...23 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,345

I know very well what the TOS are, I have read them myself, and I use them as a guide when moderating my own forum. ... ... There is a very big difference between the support forums and debate forums. People have their own opinions on issues, and these opinions should not be censored by a moderator, whether the moderator agrees with the opinion or not. ... ... If TOS are breached, it is the moderator that will receive the alert, and should deal with it. Just because someone has pressed the alert button, does not mean that the post is in breach of TOS, it may simply mean that the person who pressed t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit) n/m24 by #68716 30 mon 1,308

Re: a few more thoughts ...25 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,310

You just need to look at the posts you have edited in the last few threads in this forum. None of these posts breached TOS, and by editing them you have changed the meaning of the posts, this is wrong, and this is censorship of others opinion. Unless there is a personal attack, or an attack on the messenger, instead of the message, or a clear breach of TOS, posts should not be altered. ... ... Also to edit a persons post, delete a persons post, or hide a persons post, without any explanation, is also wrong, and disrespectful to the person posting the message. ... ... When a moderator is given mode ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ... n/m26 by #68716 30 mon 1,348

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)27 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,349

I agree totally with treating others as you wish to be treated, this is the golden rule for life as well as these forums. ... ... Good night. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)28 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,298

Deleting posts, so that other posts in the thread no longer make any sense, is called being a forum commando. This is covered in the rules of the forums, as well as in the TOS. ... ... It is also considered very poor form. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)29 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,351

Please give me links to the posts you’re concerned with. ... ... It’s waaay past my bedtime, I’ll look at this tomorrow night, hopefully, ... ... --dbModerator [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)30 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,371

Links: ... ... These posts you have edited without any explanation as to why, when they did not contain any breaches of TOS, or personal attacks. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725190#i ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725149#i ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725213#i ... ... ... ... This one you hid and then unhid, without any explanation as to why. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725188#i ... ... This is enough to be going on with I’m sure. If I find more I will post them. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)31 by Megabite 30 mon 1,384

Who is alerting these posts is what I would like to know. ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)32 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,333

Perhaps no one. It may be offensive to the new sherriff’s sensibilities. ... ... A heads up though.... ... ... You may have to change your name because it may offend someone’s grandmother’s cat. Also refrain from using the word chomp. ... ... ... That is all. [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)33 by Megabite 30 mon 1,364

You know, I’ve just gotten done reading all of these posts and this ”Moderating” is pure BS, this is blatant CENSORSHIP! This has gotten waaaaayyyy out of hand: ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)34 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,308

”Perhaps no one. It may be offensive to the new sherriff’s sensibilities.” ... ... It wasn’t me alerting all the posts. ... ... Please see this post: ... ... ttp://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725877#i [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...(edit)35 by Tiki 30 mon 1,274

ryan [End]

Re: Here's one of mine:36 by Megabite 30 mon 1,303

What did you hack from this post? I did not breach any TOS: ... ... http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1725185#i ... ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...37 by #132635 30 mon 1,387

Thanks so much for erasing the first post, unfortunately the one that was put in the ”Personal Conflicts” can still be read. ... I understand your position in regards to it but I must add we were all ask to remove all posts that we thought broke TOS rules (and there are many). ... I request that this particular author carry out what he promised and personally remove the content himself and others that he has overlooked. ... The ”Personal Conflicts” forum is imho not dealing with the problem at hand and I believe in fact exacerbates because threads are purposely derailed to attain that status. ... So i ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...38 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,381

Please refer to this post: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725402#i ... ... You can report any concerns on the Webmaster Debate forum, the Webmaster Support forum, or click on one of the links on TOS to report any TOS violations. ... ... http://curezone.com/terms.asp ... ... ... Yes, I had asked for those posts to be edited and/or removed and I realize they haven’t been. Your concerns are noted. There are many, many inflammatory past posts by a number of people. I’d suggest that you ask to have the most offensive ones removed by Webmaster and that we leave the rest in the past and move forward ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...39 by #132635 30 mon 1,361

Noted. Thanks once again for your time and effort to get CZ back on the rails. ... Your work is appreciated by so many that just wish to discuss appropriately what forums regard. ... [End]

Re:you have again edited my post, and there was no breach of TOS, explai...40 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,424

You have again edited my post, and there was no breach of TOS, explain please. ... ... spud [End]
- Re:you have again edited my post, and there was no breach of TOS, explai... /73 41 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,413
  
  Anarchy towards goofiness ... Goofiness that must be stopped ... End the goofiness ... No more goofiness ... Destruction of goofiness ... Attack the goofiness [End]
  - Re:you have again edited my post, and there was no breach of TOS, explai...42 by #132635 30 mon 1,267
    
    GGG! Who meeeeee?? Mickeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy!!!! ... ... ... ... http://curezone.com/upload/Members/rasc/untitled.bmp ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...43 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,345

I was able to hide one of those posts. The other one is now in the Personal Conflicts forum and I don’t have Moderator privileges there. ... ... Had I known, I would have erased the offensive messages before moving the thread. ... ... I suggest that you direct any further concerns to the Webmaster. ... ... --dbModerator [End]

Re: What the heck?44 by Iolite 30 mon 1,317

Why WAS my post edited? I did attack or flame, I was not rude. You are not moderating, you are editing willy, nilly without rhyme or reason. You are going over and beyond your duties of moderator. I PROTEST!!! ... ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725213#i [End]

Re: What the heck?45 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,370

I totally support your protest Lolite, myself and many others here wanted the personal attacks, the slandering of other posters, and the name calling to stop. In other words some moderation. What we did not ask for, is censorship of posts that do not breach TOS, contain no personal attacks, slander or name calling. ... ... I would advise you to make copies of your posts, in case these posts are also edited or removed, that way if we need to take this protest to the webmaster, we will have copies of the unadulterated posts. ... ... spud ... [End]

Re: What the heck?46 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,291

This is getting absurd and shows a huge agenda being released. ... I call it love and light syndrome. When one cannot even examine information freely without such blatant watering down of terms then all debate stops. It begins to resemble a forum after thought police have gone through it. ... ... ... All that was and is needed is that personal attacks be stopped. Going out of the box like this is displaying a curious agenda indeed, one that the webmaster will not be behind. ... ... ... So then we will see terms like ”those dems” etc all be axed because they may be derogatory towards democrats. ... ... This i ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What the heck?47 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,311

Every single post in the politics forum, the christianity debate forum, the conspiracy forum, and this one, debates different groups, genders, political parties, (have you seen how many derogatory posts there are about Obama), individuals, lobby groups, non-believers, and the list goes on. ... ... Under the subjective view of the TOS that this new moderator has, all of the posts, in all of these forums will have to be erased or edited. ... ... spud [End]

Re: What the heck?48 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,289

We can always discuss the finer points of fuzzy bunnies. [End]
- Re: What the heck?49 by Iolite 30 mon 1,342
  
  Yeah, but that’s only if Mira (oops I mean Moderator) doesn’t have a bunny phobia, or isn’t offended by fuzzy things! [End]
  - Re: What the heck?50 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,412
    
    Fuzzy logic has been a problem so far. [End]
    - Re: LOL!51 by Iolite 30 mon 1,295

Re: What the heck?52 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,264

lol, this post has been alerted, I do have a copy of this post, and will repost if the original is censored. ... ... spud [End]

Re: What the heck?53 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,275

That one was alerted to seconds after you posted it. Someone is watching you. ... ... Be afraid. ... ... Be very afraid. [End]

Re: What the heck?54 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,278

yes very interesting. I have original text copies, and if anymore of my posts are edited, when they have not breached TOS, (the actual TOS, subjective interpretation of TOS), I will be taking this to the webmaster. ... ... spud [End]

Re: What the heck?55 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,317

”yes very interesting. I have original text copies, and if anymore of my posts are edited, when they have not breached TOS, (the actual TOS, subjective interpretation of TOS), I will be taking this to the webmaster.” ... _______________________ ... ... I get the message! ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725877#i ... [End]

Re: What the heck? - I get the messsage!56 by dbModerator 30 mon 1,295

”That one was alerted to seconds after you posted it. Someone is watching you. ... ... Be afraid. ... ... Be very afraid.” ... ... ---------------------------------------------- ... ... I haven’t been logged on here since late last night, it’s not me following anyone around clicking the alert button. ... ... I’ve been at work all day, I’m not on here 24/7. Curezone isn’t my life, I can go away and leave you all alone if you’d rather! ... ... Please see this post ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1725877#i ... ... ... --dbModerator ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: What the heck? - I get the messsage!57 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,292

I don’t think IC was referring to you Mira, I have a good idea who he was referring to, and no more needs to be said about it. ... ... spud [End]

Re: What the heck? - I get the messsage!58 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,246

... ... Perhaps someone who has more time, and a better understanding of how debate forums run, would be a better choice for moderating these forums. ... ... No offence to you Mira. ... ... spud ... [End]

Re: What the heck?59 by Iolite 30 mon 1,309

Spud.. ... ... I confess, I hit the alert button when I was trying to click on agree. No conspiracy, no sinister stalking, just a really, really big oopsey! Sorry!!! [End]
- Re: What the heck?60 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,300
  
  lol, totally forgiven Lolite, it happens, and thanks for letting me know. ... ... spud [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...

/73 61 by Iolite 30 mon 1,255

Ahhh.. ... ... Does that mean, she can’t touch messages that are cross posted to other forums she doesn’t have privileges to? If so, then for every new thread, cross post to the personal conflicts forum too! [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...62 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,371

What a sad state of affairs, when people have to cross post to the trash can of curezone, just so their posts are not censored. ... ... There are other forums that Mira528, is not moderating, perhaps we should post in those. I will ask the webmaster which forums she is not moderating in, that way there will be some safe places, free from censorship. ... ... spud ... ... (the original text in this post has been copied) [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...63 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,248

Is it confirmed that Mira is the new mod? [End]
- Re: a few more thoughts ...64 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,294
  
  Yes it is. [End]
  - Re: a few more thoughts ...65 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,382
    
    Ouch. I thought she’d be a bit more even keel. Disappointed. [End]
    - Re: a few more thoughts ...66 by Megabite 30 mon 1,315
      
      I never believed Even Keel was possible: ... ... http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1725574#i ... ... [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...67 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,277

... ... This is not name calling, covert or otherwise, when I have said that your placing ”peace and blessings” at the bottom of a post, in which you have tried to discredit me as a person, appears insincere, this is an honest view of how this type message appears to me. I do find this form of posting insincere, and I am entitled to say so, under the TOS of curezone. ... ... If someone is being dishonest, it is right to point it out, and back this statement with evidence, it is not name calling, unless there is no evidence. ... ... There is never a reason to call someone stupid, unless you do wish to in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: a few more thoughts ...68 by InnerCalm 30 mon 1,286

”This is all about attacking the message, not the messenger.” ... ... ... All the moderating can be distilled down to that statement. Takes a lot of work out of moderating. [End]

Re: a few more thoughts ...69 by spudlydoo 30 mon 1,272

I agree, this is why it is so necessary to have clear communications, and not read emotion into posts where there is none. It is a good idea to check our own bias when reading posts, as much as it is important to do this when posting a message. ... ... spud [End]

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