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Good Riddance!

by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 457

There is NO REASON a public black seed forum should have had to open on curezone, but the tyranny could no longer be tolerated. What kind of ”expert” shuns legit questions? What kind of expert bans those who have used alternatives effectively? A forum is supposed to foster discourse and ideas, and if you are in FACT an expert, you give your expertise professionally and with some DECORUM, not with aggression, malice, intimidation, and even LYING and DECEPTION! I have had people tell me that they were basically ”scared” to ask the ”expert” questions for fear of drawing her wrath and anger. P ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Good Riddance! by hopinso 3 mon 413

A little while back Mo posted she was starting a paid members only Website. She hid the post not long after it came up. Since she had stopped new posts some time ago, I feel she was ready to leave Curezone to manage her new Website. People who pay to belong to a site are going to expect prompt service from the owner. We had our problems, but I wish her sucess and happiness. Anger and bitterness winds up hurting us far more than the object of our anger. Its best to let go and go on with our life. [End]

Re: Good Riddance! by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 389

You are right hopinso, but before she left she made it her business to criticize me again! If she’s moved on to bigger and better, than so be it, but why take a final stab at someone you don’t know? And, why now after the public black seed forum has opened? I have never claimed to be an herbal med, alternative med, or black seed expert...ever! And, I have made my position as someone who joined this site to learn, discuss, and share CLEAR from day one, when I got attacked by the ”expert” by the way. Some people bring out the worst in others, and I think I’ve found mine. I’m not bitter hopin ... [retrieve this message]

I thought the Major was a Lady.................. by blackngold 3 mon 382

”You are right hopinso, but before she left she made it her business to criticize me again! If she’s moved on to bigger and better, than so be it, but why take a final stab at someone you don’t know?” ... ... You have been sticking the knife in at someone you don’t know and have never met for the duration of your very short existence here. ... ... Not criticiz9in’. ... This new forum was a veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ... long time comin’. ... ... But relationships are two way streets. ... ... You have proven that you can flail your arms around ... and play the victim................... ... ... And throw out criticis ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I thought the Major was a Lady.................. by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 356

Shouting and egos? Have you read all the threads between me and the ”expert” sir? I didn’t know this woman from Eve, and she came for my jugular on this forum. Yes, we went back and forth and the argumentation got heated, but it was PROVOKED, not unwarranted. And please excuse the caps, I’m not yelling at you, they’re used here for emphasis. I was taken aback by her accusations, insults, and BANNING! After my confrontation and doing a little digging of my own, I found that this woman has wreaked havoc on MANY a forum, not just here at curezone. As I said in another post, I started to feel ... [retrieve this message]

I can't feel this way much longer,expecting to survive by blackngold 3 mon 351

with all these hidden innuendoes.. ... just waiting to arrive............. ... ... ... I’m not going to disagree with the jist of your post. ... ... Just that you are shouting again. ... ... And when people shout............................... ... Well sometimes they are placing a worthy call...... ... ... And sometimes they are shouting fire in a theatre...... ... ... I consider myself intelligent enough to distinguish between the two...... ... ... But still. Doesn’t make it easier to read. ... ... Less is more................. ... ... And paragraphs with more then four or five lines with exclamation points and Caps becomes a burden to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I can't feel this way much longer,expecting to survive by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 460

Excuse the caps and exclamation points Professor : ). I didn’t realize I was in English composition again, but as you can tell from my posts, I’m can be a very passionate debater, especially when I’m peeved, and all manner of internet message etiquette goes out the window. Anyway, the new public black seed forum seems a positive addition to curezone, and I thank the individual responsible for it. [End]

Re: I can't feel this way much longer,expecting to survive by blackngold 3 mon 575

”Excuse the caps and exclamation points Professor : ). I didn’t realize I was in English composition again, but as you can tell from my posts, I’m can be a very passionate debater, especially when I’m peeved, and all manner of internet message etiquette goes out the window. Anyway, the new public black seed forum seems a positive addition to curezone, and I thank the individual responsible for it.” ... ... ... No offense taken. As I have said before. I agree on a certain level with you. ... ... But still. This isn’t Kindergarten recess. ... ... So on that level I won’t agree with you. ... Has nothing to do wi ... [retrieve this message]

Always Playing the Victim by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 198

I will not name names here, you ALL know by now, who I’ve been going back and forth with, since my first post on curezone less than a week ago! After attacking me, my knowledge of black seed, and the company I buy our black seed oil products from, the ”expert” claims to be a victim, who does NOT DEBATE and the victim of SLANDER and I find this unbelievable!!! After reading comments from her ex colleagues at Suite101, where she was fired from, I might add, I noticed MANY comments suggesting ”the expert” was unstable and out of touch with reality, as she makes statements and does things and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: awesome! by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 205

Wow, I can’t believe it. A non dictatorial, non tyrannical, non hypocritical, non psychopathic, forum for black seed!!! ... Well, I’m so glad you asked Cheryl, and thank you guys for the advice...My family and I buy BOTH our black seed oil (imported from Egypt and of the finest quality) and local RAW HONEY, from a company here in the U.S. called Sahabi Sweets. They are a local small business that has been selling their products in the community but urged recently by a demand from the customers, my family included, to start selling online! I have tried Amazing Herbs black seed oil too, so I w ... [retrieve this message]

Sara’s mo123's lies about www.sahabisweets.com

by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 460 Complaint Forum / CureZone M

Everything in quotes is from Sara, criticism about a company she has never used or patronized but belittles and counter suggests the companies who sell black seed on her MONETIZED BLOG! ... ... “Sahabi Sweets is a brand new company with no viable information for my followers with only minimal product line. I had never heard of the company before recently and labled them as a spam account. ... ... I suggest you look for a reputable company with a history of customer service, large product line, customer service and proven tract record.” ... ... A: So Sara you’re an enemy to small business now, huh? No. Ju ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Sara’s mo123's lies about www.sahabisweets.com by peggyaus 3 mon 419

Mike the health ranger actually asked Sara to contribute to Natural News is my understanding. Mike doesn’t vet his contributors properly. I agree, you can’t go around blacklisting companies when you are in a position of ”power”. Power has gone to Sara’s head. ... ... [End]

Re: Sara’s mo123's lies about www.sahabisweets.com by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 447

Hello. Yes, she was a contributor on Natnews once upon a time, but my understanding is that she actually has since been banned. And I stand to be corrected if that info is untrue. Apparently she was also a content writer for Suite101, Wiki Expert, and Helium and ALL of these accounts had been closed involuntarily (BANNED) because of harassment, SLANDER, LIES, misinformation, etc.!Apparently, she’s been humiliated in MANY mediums, and is now probably he** bent on exacting her revenge! ... ... I can post the link to a forum started by her ex Suite101 colleagues that further elucidates this woma ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Sara’s mo123's lies about www.sahabisweets.com by peggyaus 3 mon 409

Yeah I’ve seen the calls from her to boycott small businesses which is a very un-American thing to do. Doing this in a position of power is very concerning to say the least.. ... ... [End]

Re: Sara’s mo123's lies about www.sahabisweets.com by CherylH 3 mon 753

Sara also loves to play the race card. If you disagree with anything she says she never hesitates to yell ’they are attacking islam!’ ... ... LOL ... ... Anyways, not to worry because what comes around goes around, and already it looks like your husband’s black seed oil supplier is of much higher quality than hers. I wouldn’t be surprised if that egyptian company you mentioned puts her out of business now that the truth is surfacing. And I’ll make double sure that when I buy black seed oil it is from your friend’s company and certainly not hers. [End]

what to do about a lying moderator??? by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 225

The bottom line is that I joined this forum to discuss, share, and LEARN from others who utilize alternative/herbal meds in their lives, whether it be for healing a certain aliment or maintaining a healthy immune system. I thought it was cool that curezone offered you the chance to post your thread in more than one relevant forum, a decision I’ve come to regret. When I started the thread in the Candida forum, I had NO idea it would turn into this ARGUMENTATIVE TIRADE by a self-proclaimed black seed expert/moderator, who immediately accused me of spamming, belittled my knowledge of black se ... [retrieve this message]

Ode to a belligerent, arrogant, vainglorious Moderator, I think you ALL ...

by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 311

The bottom line is that I joined this forum to discuss, share, and LEARN from others who utilize alternative/herbal meds in their lives, whether it be for healing a certain aliment or maintaining a healthy immune system (please read my original thread for more detail). I thought it was cool that curezone offered you the chance to post your thread in more than one relevant forum, a decision I’ve come to regret. When I started the thread in the Candida forum, I had NO idea it would turn into this ARGUMENTATIVE TIRADE by a self-proclaimed black seed expert/moderator, who immediately accused m ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Ode to a belligerent, arrogant, vainglorious Moderator, I think you ... by CherylH 3 mon 319

don’t worry, she does this a lot of people. Pretty much if you disagree with her about anything you get banned. ... ... her ’forum’ is just a soapbox, actual conversation isn’t permitted there. ... ... in the end she will find that her tactics work against her. ... doesn’t surprise me one bit about what you say about egyptian black seed oil. ... ... her behavior after andreas moritz’s death was rude beyond words - nothing she does surprises me. ... ... [End]

Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain moderat...

by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 372 Complaint Forum / CureZone M

Re: Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain mod... by saywhatagain 3 mon 337

First, this forum or any other forum is not there for you to rant and rave (actually I think there may be a complaints forum, you can post there and not cross post), it is for helping people get healthy so I do not appreciate this post being here at all. Second, your original post REALLY did seem like someone coming on curezone to make some cash and we here at curezone are used to this and don’t take kindly to people that come here for this purpose. The fact that you are so defensive and argumentative certainly furthers the suspicion of you making money in some way, if you were really he ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain mod... by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 315

Okay. I’ve been defensive of the total and utter belligerence of this Sara, is because she’s WRONG. It was my first post on curezone and it contained a link to a company we use to buy black seed....so what??? This Sara has SEVERAL self promoting posts to her blog and products sold on her blog, but when I advocate where I buy my black seed in the U.S. I got blasted and told i don’t know anything about a product i’ve used to fight my diabetes and other health issues for yeeears! What would you have done? She criticized Me, the company, and other companies I’ve mentioned. I sincerely came to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain mod... by #89471 3 mon 327

”Has anyone else on this site been treated so belligerently by mo123 or any other moderator on curezone???” ... ... ... Countless times. ... But who’s counting? ... :) [End]

Re: Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain mod... by #116107 3 mon 308

You are correct.... I have witnessed MANY people be treated to a tirade by her for having a difference of opinion. Thank you for the skillfully written letter about behaviior that should not be allowed... but always is. [End]

Re: Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain mod... by hopinso 3 mon 346

Over the years lots of people have had trouble with Mo. Most of them have left Curezone and never returned. Most regulars just stay away from her forums. Mo owns four forums, black seed, saras soup kitchen and the Islam forums. On those forums she is a god and can do what she wants including hiding messages and banning people. On public forums she should follow the Curezone TOS. This did not happen when she attacked you on the Candida forum. She must have a global moderator in her pocket. She hates me and is trying to force me off Curezone. My advice is to stay away from all her forums to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Has anyone else experienced problems/belligerence with a certain mod... by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 305

Thanks I will repost it again. I’m just curious as to how she gets away with this time and again. How does she get to disparage and demean companies she’s never used, and then uses their low google rating as the reason now??? What condescension and indignation! It’s a small business that just started online less than six months ago and has a very good customer base beforehand and was urged by its customers to go online. My family was one who suggested this to the owners of www.sahabisweets.com I’m sure their site will get better with time. And mountainrose herbs has NO info about the black ... [retrieve this message]

Starting Over-Welcome To Curezone! by hopinso 3 mon 314

While words cannot be unsaid or deeds undone, I want to say welcome to Curezone. This site means a lot to me and I hope you will enjoy, learn and teach while you are here. All the best to you and your family-hopinso [End]

The Healing in Honey, as mentioned in the Quran and Prophetic Sunnah by WeLoveRawHoney 3 mon 262

Hello. My family and I believe that the cure for every disease is in the earth and nature, which is why we consume many of the herbs, spices, and nectars from the various plants of Creation. It is my sincere hope that those of us in the West would lose dependency on traditional meds and educate ourselves so that we may benefit from the numerous herbal and alternative medicine remedies available, some practiced for thousands of years! ... ... ... Allah, subhana wa ta’ala, told us in the Quran of the many benefits and healing properties of honey. Honey has been used in medicine and cooking since ... [retrieve this message]

Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.

/33 1 by natway 5 mon 1,370 Parasites Debate / Hulda Clar / Zapper Deb / 4 / 5 / 6

I know some of you won’t like this post, but I’m posting it anyways to hopefully prevent a lot of you from going down a similar wrong path that I went down. ... ... For years I spent tons of money on different kinds of doctors and on every supplement out there and even a couple of cleanses said to help my illness, but they never worked and I slowly got worse and worse because I WAS MISDIAGNOSED and the diet I happened to be told would help me was actually the cause and that’s why nothing would ever work. After changing to the right diet (high carb/low fat in my case), I was cured within a wee ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.2 by thathippieguy 5 mon 1,041

That’d be nice ... ... But it’s simply not that easy, Lab samples are HIGHLY inaccurate. It’s ridiculous. ... ... My cousin works in the ER department and tells me all the time about how they never can catch the eggs or ova of parasites until the patient is admitted into the hospital and a stool sample taken EVERY DAY for at least a week, for at least a good CHANCE of catching them. ... ... What standard stool sample kit does this? ... ... None. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.3 by natway 5 mon 1,014

But if they are visible to see in your toilet, should be really easy to scoop a sample of it up. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.4 by thathippieguy 5 mon 968

You would think that right? ... ... I sent out worms to a lab, and they verified that these were worms, but, dead. Since they were dead, they could not identify them because, when alive, they excrete certain things, and that’s how they identify them ... ... They are terrible at treating parasites and worms. They just have no clue 90% of the time [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.5 by natway 5 mon 935

Well at least they identified them as worms, so you know you’re probably on the right track. That’s all I’m trying to get people to make sure about. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.6 by thathippieguy 5 mon 973

I understand you’re reasoning ... ... It is good to make sure you are not seriously paranoid, because that CAN make your imagination run wild, as nuts as it sounds ... ... Though, when you are actually dealing with the infection, that you KNOW are worms, and somebody doubts you, it hurts your heart! It’s very frustrating! ... ... Safety first! I know at least for myself, i would NOT be using pharma drugs if I didn’t know it was there! Those things are extreme! ... ... Happy Holidays! ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.7 by whkim2010 5 mon 864

you wouldn’t be able to see unless you actually try some parasite cleanse for actually 2 months (it was my case) ... but you know, we can not just wait on doctor to save us from our illness. we need to move deligently and try many possible things and finally we can find right track. I think it is worth to try. the bible says ask, and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you” May God have mercy on whom seek and knock. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.8 by natway 5 mon 1,065

I agree you need to be in control of your health, but if you go down the wrong path of treatment, what good does that do? ... ... I only started this thread because from what I notice here, a LOT of people think they have parasites/worms/flukes/etc and seems like they try every method to get rid of them but can’t seem too. A logical explanation is that they really don’t have parasites or the like. That’s why I’m urging people to get a sample if they think they see something in the toilet just to confirm it really is something. It’s only common sense. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.9 by #154886 5 mon 866

You ate some bananas for a few weeks and now thousands of people who have been cleansing parasites since curezone started are all delusional. ... ... And your best advice if someone finds a parasite is to ’get it checked out’. ok dude, have fun in that reality you live in. ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.10 by natway 4 mon 662

Did you get your flukes confirmed by a doctor or lab yet? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.11 R by #155216 4 mon 746

this is more bs from you nat. ... ... you read a book about fruit and suddenly you think that you have reached the top of the mountain. ... ... then you read? or heard from a doctor? that flukes are not common in the west, jesus, have you read the multiple hundreds of people on curezone who have flukes, tapes, and all sorts of other parasites? is everyone lying? ... ... so why don’t you be ’congruent’ as your guru doug says. ... if you are going to follow the AMA lie that flukes are not common in the west, then also follow their dietary advice. you can’t just pick and choose philosophies and then try to pa ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.12 by natway 5 mon 887

”I sent out worms to a lab, and they verified that these were worms, but, dead. Since they were dead, they could not identify them because, when alive, they excrete certain things, and that’s how they identify them” ... ... Something about this is making me think the lab is jerking you around. I’ve never heard some worms had to be identified by their excretions. Sounds like they are saying many worms look alike under a microscope, but are actually different. Even if true, wouldn’t seem to matter about which treatments to use to rid them if they are the same class of worms. ... ... Did the lab giv ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.13 by sklila 3 mon 649

I think we are forgetting that not all parasites are visible to the eye. The microscopic kind are even more dangerous, now imagine some guy in a lab getting $15/hour going through human crap looking for eggs all day....I don’t think they enjoy their job enough to give a 2nd look. How the hell would you distinguish one parasite egg from another? I passed some parasites with a SWC, and sent them to the dr to get tested...results negative!!! Like they always are. These were parasites, they were not food particles! We all have parasites, it’s a matter of how our immune system handles ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.14 by natway 3 mon 664

”I personally finally found a lab that picked something” ... ... I want to make sure I understand you, did you mean that lab confirmed a diagnoses of a parasite? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.15 by sklila 3 mon 577

Yes a lab found an amoeba and h. Pylori infection, I hade to use a lab outside Canada and will be going to see Cahill in NY. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.16 by natway 3 mon 602

That’s good you got it verified by a lab. That’s what I’m urging everyone to do. Why don’t you just go to your local doc and get a prescription for an amebicide? [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.17 by sklila 3 mon 585

I could only wish it was that easy, the doctors I have seen, including so called parasite specialists will only go by the labs in Canada, they will want to verify the US lab results with a lab here which will undoubtably be negative. I’ve tried the guessing game and it hasn’t been successful, I managed to get my liver enzymes back to normal but other symptoms are still draining me. I hope Cahill won’t be a waste of time, I’m spending a lot of money and time to make the trip to NY. Wish me luck! [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.18 by natway 3 mon 661

Of course I wish you the best of luck. Just a little worried you’re trying too hard to find a lab to give you the results you want and then going out of your way to be treated by a doc all too happy to charge you a high ”specialist” fee and to sell you a bunch of products to take. ... ... Not saying this to get you down, but to look after you if you know what I mean. Let us know how it goes. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.19 by cologirl 3 mon 535

So how did it go Sklila? I’m dying to know since my next step is to see him (I live in NY though)... ... ... Anxiously awaiting your results... ... ... thanks! [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.20 by sklila 3 mon 537

Hi Colorgirl, just confirmed my appointment for this coming Monday, will post my findings, unfortunately it will have to wait till the end of next week before I can post here. Since my family is coming with me, I want to make a mini vacation out of it. It’s a long drive for me to NYC (Toronto, Canada), i am just as anxious lol, but have been let down so many times by so called ”experts”. Hope this one will be different and get my issues resolved. ... ... Kal [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.

/33 21 by cologirl 3 mon 552

Awesome. Can’t wait to hear how it went. Have a nice mini-vacation! ... ... Jess [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.22 by sklila 3 mon 495

Ok I was able to call in and get the diagnosis....the recepitionist said you have an amoeba infection, EH. Will post more later when I get home. It seems that is a common diagnosis, waiting to see copies of the report. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.23 by natway 3 mon 515

I have to ask, is that lab connected to Cahill? ... ... ... ”Amebiasis is an infection of the gastrointestinal system. It is not common in Canada, and occurs more often in parts of the world where there is poor sanitation, such as in Mexico, Central America, western South America, southern Asia and western and southern Africa. Travelers to these areas are at risk of becoming infeced, if they do not take precautions with food and drinking water.” ... http://dsol-smed.phac-aspc.gc.ca/dsol-smed/ndis/diseases/amoe-eng.php ... ... ... I would take your lab results to a doctor in Canada for confirmation just to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.24 by sklila 3 mon 534

Man I have had just about every test in Canada. They can’t explain why I feel like crap, why my blood results are messed up, why I have Charcot-Leyden crystals and white blood tests in my stool. Is the lab connected to Cahill, yes I believe he does it himself, he did the mucus scraping and a blood test. I will be the first to say that he doesn’t follow the regular protocols, I would expect a doctor to spend more time, going over your symptoms and concerns, but then again in Canada you are lucky if you get 10 minutes after waiting 1-2 hours for your doctor. Natway I travel a lot,mo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.25 by JesseCured 71 days 380

... ... I heard the same thing from South American Doctors who deal with parasite problems all the time. Said it takes NUMEROUS stool samples and then you may not catch them. They also said that in North America the labs aren’t as good, don’t test for as many different species as they do in South America. Said that there are thousands of different species. Said that if you carry the parasite problem back to the states you may NEVER get cured. My ex worked in the Amazon. Everyone got parasites. I got parasites, but never went into the jungle, just the altiplano areas. Had been fighting ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.26 by natway 88 days 492

dpk, ... ... If you are still open to discuss your health struggles and by chance I could offer some direction, I’m here to listen and help. Sometimes it’s good to have an outside set of eyes look at it, free of the bias and influence of others going through your same struggles. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.27 by sklila 87 days 449

I’m always open natway, after all that is what curezone is all about :) [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.28 by natway 87 days 481

Hi skilla, would be happy to continue to assist you! Fill me in on the latest in the other sub-thread we were chatting. Going to leave this sub-thread for dpk. [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.29 by JrDavis 86 days 487

You’re going to use the CDC as valuable data? ... ... You would honestly take CDC’s advice than to try and combat a disease on your own? ... ... Flukes are not easy to detect. And I actually passed what I know now was a fluke with my Sota machine. ... ... EM apparently got it to move out. By EM cleansing my blood. Which makes sense since the liver filters it. ... ... ... However no matter how much I changed up my diet (Carb/Low fat) I’m still struggling 132lbs. ... ... I know it’s the flukes, I felt them burrowing into my Liver. It felt like gas/GB attack/cramp. ... ... Maybe that’s why I almost passed out when I got 8 v ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.30 by sklila 86 days 475

JrDavis have you tried Egaten? If you are sure is Flukes, Eagret would knock them out, it is rather expensive though. ... ... Kal [End]
Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.31 by dave505 86 days 529

Hi jr ... i’ve send you a private message - please read it if possible. need help for identification. thanks [End]

Re: Do you *really* have Parasites, Worms, or Flukes? Get a sample.32 by JesseCured 71 days 648

... You are correct that U.S. doctors aren’t educated enough in this field. I learned about this problem from South American Doctors who handled my ex and his employees when they worked in the Amazon. They ALL got parasites. They then related how U.S. doctors won’t do any good if you go back to the states with the parasite problem because of lack of education and not very good labs. They said you will stay sick cause the labs here don’t test for the thousands of parasites that are out there, they only test for a couple or a few at best. It’s sad that the CDC numbers are so skewed making ... [retrieve this message]

Black seed doesn't work- hoax

by whatisyourdiet 5 mon 478

I posit that black seed is a fraud. ... ... what does the actual healing is all the adjunct therapies like liver cleansing, diet, supplements, and clean living. ... ... Has anyone healed just by taking black seed? ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Black seed doesn't work- hoax by Southern Belle 5 mon 512

I have always thought that what works for one may not work for someone else.................... [End]

I posit that you are misinformed about blackseed by Dquixote1217 5 mon 520

Perhaps you might have a different perspective if you took at look at the 453 referenced entries about blackseed (Nigella sativa) at PubMed: ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Nigella%20sativa ... ... In addition to actual scientific studies proving the efficacy and potential of blackseed, it has a history of medicinal use dating back many, many centuries. ... ... I particularly like it as a complimentary supplement for people with pancreatic cancer - it is one of a very small handful of items which has been shown to be effective against pancreatic cancer cells. ... [End]

Re: Black seed doesn't work- hoax by hopinso 5 mon 655

I don’t know if black seeds work or not. I can’t see how they can cure virtually every disease known to human kind. I do know i will never use them unless they come with a money back guarantee . One thing I do know for sure, never never ever ever buy black seed, or any other oily seed for that matter that has been heated or ground. That destroys the volitile oils and renders the seed useless. I bought a small grinder when I started using flax seeds and pumpkin seeds. The difference in fresh raw over the processed was amazing. [End]

Moderators who LIE

by CherylH 5 mon 558

Sara is now on a rampage (CALLING PEOPLE IDIOTS) claiming that all of the dementia, cancer, etc protocols are hers. This is just pure BS and I have to lay it all out here... ... ... my comments in BOLD. ... ... Here is her dementia protocol: ... ... ... ... ... You cannot be well if you attempt to do half the program or buy cheap supplements. In order to be well follow my links and please follow my instructions explicitly. Dementia needs to be caught as early as possible and the guidelines here are meant to give you back your life. ... ... BUY MY BOOK ... ... Before you can understand about black cumin oil (Nigella s ... [retrieve this message]

Re: by blackngold 5 mon 514

... Cheryl - ... ... Most of the present info and theories of alternative medicine here on curezone are ones that have been re-packaged and had a fresh bow-tie put on them. ... ... Nothing recommended here has been ”invented” by anyone here. ... ... Curezone is not made up of people working in labs or out in the physical dirt field coming up with new substances or protocols. ... ... That is just the way it is. ... ... People tweek it and give their own interpretation and add what they can to it. And hopefully try to put things in a larger context and ditch the single bullet theory. ... ... Private forums are private for ... [retrieve this message]

Re: by CherylH 5 mon 504

Agreed with everything. ... ... My only problem is that she is out of control calling herself a genius. ... ... She could just as easily put on her blog ’eat blac seed and go to curezone’, but then there is no ego or financial pay-off. Not that she has a responsibility to do so, free country, free market. ... ... ... But at the same time I have the right to expose her as a repackager and in no way an innovator. Allah works through me to help keep people’s egos in check ;) ... ... The Kousamine-Budwig thing really got my goat. I think I’ll repackage gravity as the Harding-Newton principle. ... ... -fellow garbage c ... [retrieve this message]

Re: by blackngold 5 mon 477

Hey Cheryl...... ... ... ”My only problem is that she is out of control calling herself a genius. She could just as easily put on her blog ’eat blac seed and go to curezone...” ... ... What Sara does in her own private forums and blogs is up to her. And as someone who has been here for many years....... ... ... Well there have been a heck of a lot of controversial private forums. And forum owners. ... ... The only problem in my mind is if they leave their forum and engage in bad behaviour. ... ... If you have a problem with some of the information put up in her forum, well there are plenty of forums here on curezo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: by CherylH 5 mon 479

Thanks for the advice on how to complain ;) ... ... What’s a nice fellow like you doing in a garbage can like this? [End]
- Re: by CLEW 5 mon 506
  
  Please give Sara a break!... She has just lost someone very special to her... [End]

Re: by #76356 5 mon 479

Cheryl may be right. The sad thing about many self proclaimed gurus, health writers, blog ”owners” and other ”experts” is that they prematurely elevate themselve into leadership roles due to their high recognition needs and often fail to complete their own learning and their own healing. [End]

Re: Moderators who LIE by #116107 5 mon 441

I think that you are overstating things a bit. Sara has, nowhere in the things that you have put out these as claiming to be hers, said anything to the likes of ” I have discovered, or I invented”. When I read the things you cut out, all I get is her SUGGESTIONS.... NOWHERE does she state that she discovered or invented anything, and she gave credit where credit was due. I agree that Sara could use some tempering of her writing, and becoming more understanding, rather than being so caustic much of the time, but in these instances that you have provided, you lose. Sorry.... [End]

What do you think of this company

by Ctos 5 mon 265

I am about to order black seed oil from this company, what do you think ? ... ... theblessedseed.com ... ... ... Thank you [End]

Re: What do you think of this company by mo123 5 mon 242

I use to represent this company but they appear to be the biggest crooks in the business. I had reported them more times than I can shake a stick at for stealing my articles. So if they steal articles are they are reputable place to buy black seed oil from. Look elsewhere. ... ... Sara [End]

Re: What do you think of this company by Ctos 5 mon 204

Regardless of what happened do you believe they provide their costumers why quality cold pressed black seed oil ? [End]
- Re: What do you think of this company by mo123 5 mon 252
  
  What do you mean regardless of what happened to me? Are you kidding me? Go somewhere else and post. ... ... Sara [End]

Andreas Moritz Death by #37655 6 mon 1,622

Has the cause of Andreas Moritz’s death been released yet? ... Thank you. [End]
- Re: Andreas Moritz Death by mo123 6 mon 927
  
  According to his website, ”he descended into the light.” daaaa ... ... Sara [End]

Please allow me to introduce myself..........

by blackngold 6 mon 757

....I’m a Man of Wealth and Taste... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... (I was originally gonna put this up on the politics forum, but I figured I would throw it up here.... Anastasia.) ... Screamed in vain..... ... ... Hey MD. BlacknGold here. ... ... I see you have taken a little break from curezone. ... I did as well. And will again in the future. ... And I came back a few days ago to put up a post about Andreas Moritz. ... Who I have alot of respect for. Even though we disagreed on some things..... ... ... And I felt it was important for me to come back and talk about him. And what he really meant. To me. ... ... Regardless of whether ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself.......... by The Hunter 6 mon 584

Tommy, I’d rather be a ............ well ......... ... ... ... ... Keep the faith bro’ :) [End]

Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE!

by blackngold 6 mon 790

... ... Howdy All. BlacknGold here. ... ... ... ... Hope ya’ll have been doing well. I sort of left this site a little while back. ... ... But I did tell the few people I still have contact with that - I don’t see myself ever really returning....... but I may pop in for a post or two. Here or there......... So this is one of those pop-ins. And I did wanna talk about Andreas. And I am going to make every attempt to make this post as short and "G" rated as I can. And believe it or not it was Andreas who led me to curezone. Not him personally. But discovering him and his liverflush book ... [retrieve this message]

Post finally edited like I like it! nm by blackngold 6 mon 701
Re: Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE! by Southern Belle 6 mon 688

Great post! ... ... Please stop by more often. ... ... We miss you. ... ... Paulette [End]

Re: Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE! by The Hunter 6 mon 664

Nice ta ’ear from yer B&G ....... ... ... ... Still on those revolving doors Tom? :) ... Miss yer buddy:) ... ... ... ... ”Grog” (moe) giving me a hard time way back when, lol. ... ... [End]

Re: Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE! by Dquixote1217 6 mon 736

Always great to have you drop by, my friend. ... ... ... "So I hate to see how this has unfolded here with people playing roles that they are not qualified for." ... ... ... I hear ya, bro. Too damned much of that goes on. I suppose it always has, but I see fewer and fewer true experts and true healers and more and more unqualified self-appointed experts spouting forth misinformation - and what really irks me is that some people will read their bunk and believe it. ... ... ... Great post, btw. Andreas was indeed a kindred soul. ... ... Now, don’t stay too much of a stranger. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE! by hopinso 6 mon 685

Your post made me smile, at a time I was feeling I had little to smile about. I agree with you about Andreas; even though I might not agree with all he taught, he deserved better than what some people here at Curezone doled out. [End]

Re: Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE! by wombat 6 mon 673

I miss you, Tommy! and that’s about it! :) [End]

Re: Nothing left to do but smile, smile.... SMILE! by Mira528 6 mon 699

Hi BNG, ... ... I love those smiling faces. Shows that your heart is in the right place. ... ... The 3 Stooges used to be my favorite show ... all the other kids were scared but it always had me in stitches. ... ... You came here like a breath of fresh air ... thank you :) [End]

Want to know why MH banned me ? by OneZeroEight 10 mon 1,112

I have been reading on MH’s forum for a long time, old and recent posts and ive come to the conclusion that MH is a grate liar, he has no idea what he talks about he contradicts hes own self in the posts he has put up and the answers he has given to members for years on curezone. He gets alot of credit for selling Dr. Christophers formulas but after this i am ready to believe that his own products might be even useless, judging by the character that he has shown and everything ive read from him. I can even guess that plzchuckle and a few other fools that support and follow this man are pro ... [retrieve this message]

Homeopathy is Occult & Satanic ? by #140908 19 mon 987 CureZone Experts Deb / Questionin / Quackery D / 4

What do you think? ... ... http://landtimforgot.blogspot.com/2010/01/satan-and-homeopathy.html ... [End]

The Truth in Medicine

by #69302 21 mon 1,377

I believe the name of ”The Truth in Medicine” forum demonstrates, either subconsciously or quite deliberately, a tint in the philosophy of it’s moderator - Hveragathi. He puts undue faith in the modern medical system, that is, in the lab studies and journals produced by highly profitable pharmaceutical corporations. ... ... Quickly (and often rudely) dismissed are the experiences of individuals who are generously sharing their personal testimony. ... ... Remember - one person is an anecdote, many individuals constitute an observational study. Either way, both can point toward the truth. Unprofita ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Truth in Medicine by Michael B 21 mon 1,087

Never heard of him. Sounds like he has gotten a royal buttkicking, though. [End]
- Re: The Truth in Medicine by verysugar 21 mon 1,193
  
  yep - he’s made a lot of stuff up but will probably make a come-back if his searches through his library work out for him [End]

Re: The Truth in Medicine by DeadPoets 21 mon 1,153

He’s a joke of a moderator. ... ... I tried explaining Lyme Disease to him and he wanted nothing to do with it. ... ... In fact he calls it ”Lyme’s Disease” ... ... ... He knows herbs and some nutrition but it stops there [End]

Re: The Truth in Medicine by lisamarie23 21 mon 1,110

A few observations on this ’interesting’ person. ... ... He is one of the absolute worst listeners I have ever come cross in alternative medicine. A person who either willingly, or unwillingly closes off all prospect of learning or even listening to people who come to him for help. ... ... That last fiasco where be basically accosted the poor woman who had an enxiety attack. ... ... He also has contempt for people who actually have real medical degrees like Dr. Schulze. At least we know that doctors actually went to medical school and have basic understanding of anatomy. ... ... A great example is something ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The Truth in Medicine by DeadPoets 21 mon 1,146

You summed him up perfectly with this... ... ... ”He is also undisputed reigning King of the strawman argument who will often bring up non-sequiturs like rabbits out of magician’s hat. Or when he is caught in a logical flaw will result to criticizing grammar.” ... ... ... I sent him tons of ”evidence” or ”proof” of the Lyme spirochete (borrelia) being found in semen via published medical articles and journals (per his request) and sure enough he nitpicked every little word in the findings. ... ... In the end he wanted none of it and banned me from posting. ... ... I feel bad for the lady who is seeking him for ... [retrieve this message]

Dr Schulzes "real" medical degrees...Re: The Truth in Medicine by unyquity 21 mon 1,082

Just to clarify, Dr. Schulze is not an ”MD” (if anyone assumed that). Here is his list of his training/education and apprenticeships: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1597150#i [End]

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun... by blackngold 25 mon 759

”Hi, Just a quick question, Im on day 8 of water fast, I noticed yesterday that I had random bruises on my legs and more today. this exact thing happened to me in my first water fast, by day 11 my legs were covered in bruises and I know it wasn’t from anything like hurting my self because I was in bed all the time. does any one know why this happens? I know Iv always had low iron, the DR told me this years ago and prescribed me iron pills, I don’t take them because they give me stomach pains, could low iron be the cause? the bruising doesn’t happen randomly when Im not fasting but I do usu ... [retrieve this message]

I remember the thirty-five sweet goodbyes...... by blackngold 25 mon 1,243

... When you put me on the Wolverine ... Up to Annandale ... It was still September........ ... ... ... ... Yeah. Once again..... I couldn’t leave it alone. ... ... This is an.................... ... ... ALTERNATIVE HEALTH WEBSITE......... ... ... DESIGNED TO HELP STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET ... OVERCOME HEALTH PROBLEMS! ... ... Shouldn’t be much more to it then that. Period. End of Story....... ... And I certainly have gotten sucked into the darkside here numerous times. ... ... But I did see a post today that blew me away. In a bad way. ... ... A curezone member willing to abandon their roots and homefront..... ... On the off chance...... ... ... Th ... [retrieve this message]

I hear some people been.......

by blackngold 25 mon 1,683

... Talking me down.... ... Bring Up my Name... ... And Pass it Round.... ... ... They don’t mention... ... the Happy Times.... ... ... They do their thang... ... ... I Do Mine!!!!!!! ... ... ... ... ... ”Water, water everywhere. But not a drop to drink.” ... ... ... ... ... Yeah, that was said regarding sailors drifting in lifeboats on the ocean, but it holds true for our understanding of it’s properties as well. ... ... It surrounds us. ... It is us. ... And yet we know almost nothing about it. It is as powerful as a nuclear bomb, but we have no clue what it really is....... ... ... Enter ML from stage right. Those of us who have been around for a nu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I hear some people been....... by Will_I_Ever_Learn 25 mon 1,334

... Hi BnG ... ... ... ... I always admire someone who can admit he/she has been wrong. How much better would the world be if ego was not the master and people would change their path by admitting to themselves “about that time, I now realize that I was wrong!”? ... ... ... ... But about Electro-magnetic Energy, may I suggest some of my posts related to very interesting topic (which are really copy and paste of very good articles): ... ... ... ... ALBERT SZENT-GYORGYI - IN SEARCH OF NEW BIOLOGICAL DIMENSIONS and ON THE ENERGY TRANSFER IN BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS ... ... http://curezone.com/ ... [retrieve this message]

Re: I hear some people been....... by grzbear 25 mon 1,627

right on... ... ... I remember beating my head against the wall with Corinthian about electromagnetic energy... 4 - 5 years ago. ... ... It is in the A/A debate forums among others for anyone wishing to dig a bit. ... ... grz- ... ... [End]

Fluoridated water for infants ?

by fulcanelli 26 mon 1,409

From this article, it appears the ADA workshop in 1994 resulted in a recommendation of zero fluoride for infants aged 0 - 6 months. ... ... http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/infant/#ada ... ... ... Yet, I seem to recall seeing in the store in the past couple years, a gallon of water that was fluoridated and seemed to be intended for infant formula !! ... ... Babies suck about 4 ounces of milk, every three hours for a daily total of about a liter. so if ya used that store-bought F water in the formula, the babe would get 1 milligram of F per day, or 30 milligrams a month. If the babe weighs 10 kg afte ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by wombat 26 mon 1,376

I respect your opinion, but I must say that I agree with your post, except possibly this: ... ... ” the female body has a mechanism in it that ensures breast milk is all but fluoride-free, even though the woman’s serum F level may be higher ” ... ... It’s my understanding that fluoride IS found in breast milk~ at a level relative to the amount of F exposure. ... ... Oh, wait~ you said ”all but”. We might just agree! :) [End]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by fulcanelli 26 mon 1,437

I don’t know about any of that, but the link I pasted contained the following; although I have not pulled the references and read them: ... ... ... ”These findings show that plasma fluoride is poorly transferred to breast milk and infants thus receive almost no fluoride during breast feeding... The existence of a physiological plasma-milk barrier against fluoride suggests that the newborn is actively protected from this halogen. Hence the recommendation made in several countries to give breast-fed infants fluoride supplementation should be reconsidered.” ... SOURCE: Ekstrand J, et al. (1981). No evi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by wombat 26 mon 1,358

any evidence of fluoride transfer through the ether? ... ... I don’t think that the guvment will ever completely reverse on fluoride, do you? ... ... Here’s a more recent study: ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2612944/ ... ... ”The plasma fluoride concentration displays an increase along with fluoride intake. This increase is, however, attenuated due to distribution to the interstitial and intracellular fluid uptake by calcified tissues and renal excretion.”... ... ... ...”Theoretically, a limited transfer of fluoride from plasma to breast milk should occur.21 The mechanism(s) responsible for t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by fulcanelli 26 mon 1,353

The MD who wrote the article in the link at the end made some alarming statement in the quote I quoted, below. If true, one can only imagine the damage resulting from using baby formula if fluoridated H2O is used without regard to its F content. Imagine the tens of millions of people affected. Do ya think people are more smart and healthy now than before fluoridation, or less smart and healthy ? ... ... ”It seems to me that we must be aware of how fluoride does its damage. It is an enzyme poison. Enzymes are complex protein compounds that vastly speed up biological chemical reactio ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by wombat 26 mon 1,389

... I very much appreciate your opinion and the time you invested into this message and i hope that it reaches many:) ... ... Less smart and healthy, definitely.... due to a lot of factors. Fluoride’s a biggie. ... ... [End]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by fulcanelli 26 mon 1,352

I dn’t really have a message I guess, was just curious for what other folks’ take on it is, from the question in the first posting. ... ... It seems to me it would be unlawful to put known toxins into municipal water supplies, yet it happens in a lot of places every day. I guess it follows naturally that if the masses become poisoned, that they won’t be able to think as well or enjoy as good of health as their ancestors who didn’t ingest so much fluoride. ... ... Recently I saw where some agency lowered the F that is to be added to waters, because something like 40% of the kids have dental fluor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Fluoridated water for infants ? by verysugar 25 mon 3,905

Our water supply is now fluoridated in QLD, Australia. A few days ago I gave my 7 year old son just one drop of Lugols iodine in a glass of water. The following day he complained that he felt ’funny’. When I asked him to elaborate, he explained that he felt ’fuzzy in the head’. He’s never talked like this before. He and most of the other kids at his school drink from taps throughout the day and I wonder if the iodine displaced some fluoride which led to his mental ’fuzziness’/vagueness. It’s a sad situation if this is the case, but suggests to me that he might respond very well to iodine. ... [retrieve this message]

Should have been done long ago.......

/33 1 by blackngold 26 mon 2,370

... ... What if you knew her?.... ... And found her dead on the ground. ... ... How can you run when you know??? ... ... I know................... ... ... ... ... ... It’s been a very tough weekend for me. ... Lot’s of soul searching. ... I have literally been on the edge of physical tears at points. ... ... But I will come on here to paint the picture... ... That has flown over most of your heads. ... ... NO MEDS.. ... Should be the rule. ... For women who are thinking about having a child. ... ... That includes iodine..... ... My beloved homeopathics... ... Whatever. ... ... You don’t screw around with dropper bottles..... ... When you are young and thinkin ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......2 by Southern Belle 26 mon 2,061

I know your post was written with much thought and I can feel the love you have for this person. It only adds to the upmost respect that I have had for you. ... ... What you say is so true. What might be right for someone is not right for the next person. That is why all of us need to be so careful about our beliefs, thoughts and feelings. A lot of hurt happens on Curezone because some people are so hell bent on their way that they fail to see that there might be another way or that their way may not be for everyone.....and they become hell bent on trying to run down the other person who do ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......3 by wombat 26 mon 2,010

Disagree with your post, BnG. ... ... ”You don’t put chemical iodine... ... Into someone who may get pregnant.” ... ... Uh, do a little research on that statement. The risks of iodine deficiency on the unborn are quite serious, ranging from intellectual impairment to full-on cretinism. ... ... Seriously, it’s all over the web, BnG, how could you have missed it? ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......4 by grzbear 26 mon 2,046

With, all due respect, ... ... Your response in regard to this... ... ... ”You don’t put chemical iodine... Into someone who may get pregnant.” ”You don’t put chemical iodine... Into someone who may get pregnant.” ”The risks of Iodine deficiency on the unborn are quite serious, ranging from intellectual impairment to full-on cretinism.” The risks of Iodine deficiency on the unborn are quite serious, ranging from intellectual impairment to full-on cretinism.” ... ... The time to become *sufficient*, in any nutritive substance, in both the male and female, is *before* conception... with foods if at all p ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......5 by wombat 26 mon 1,980

with mutual respect~ ... ... I agree with you. And the idea that a prospective parent should achieve sufficiency, optimal nutritional status, etc, before conception is well-established. ... ... To suggest though that a prospective parent should avoid iodine is ridiculous and irresponsible. ... ... There are lots of studies out there that show the effects of supplemental iodine during pregnancy, on maternal thyroid function, neonate thyroid status and childhood intellectual development, etc. ... ... Am I suggesting that a prospective parent should megadose on iodine? Nope. Never have and never will. ... ... ... ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......6 by grzbear 26 mon 1,986

”To suggest though that a prospective parent should avoid Iodine is ridiculous and irresponsible.” ”To suggest though that a prospective parent should avoid Iodine is ridiculous and irresponsible.” ... ... Don’t lose sight of the forest through the trees... ... ... We are deficient in nutrients for many reasons, for instance many people may be deficient in calcium because they are deficient in other nutrients that help the body retain calcium and better utilize it, like potassium, magnesium, boron, vitamins A, D, and K, etc., not because they do not consume enough. ... ... Same is true with other nutrie ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......7 by wombat 26 mon 1,928

”Don’t lose sight of the forest through the trees...” ... ... Excellent! ... ... This thread began as an observation and musings upon MH’s assertion that his son’s small penis is a direct result of his wife’s supposed ”toxic levels of iodine”. ... ... Your observations are right on! There are many factors that could lead to this condition, for example, exposure to dioxins: ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed ... ... ... 1. Endocr J. 2005 Feb;52(1):83-8. ... ... Association of micropenis with Pro185Ala polymorphism of the gene for aryl ... hydrocarbon receptor repressor involved in dioxin signaling. ... ... Soneda S, Fuk ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......8 by grzbear 26 mon 2,041

Again, man made issue... ... ... All dioxins contain chlorine... and that is why we do not want to take fulvic\humic substances in chlorinated water... we end up making our own dioxins. Chlorinated pools form dioxins... so can chlorinated drinking water. ... ... This does not negate the possibility that MH may be correct, at least in part, in his assumption\observation, even though there was very likely more than one factor involved. ... ... Anything, and I mean anything, and everything we are exposed to, or choose to do, affects our genetics... and ultimately what we pass onto our children. ... ... grz- ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......9 by RyanD 26 mon 1,960

Haven’t we been warned so many times about using isolated elements or simple compounds as a cureall ! Look at those who suffered from isolated iron and its consequences, as it turns out iodine is even more of a danger in its abuses. Promoting these elements in this way is no better then the medical establisments use of pharmaceuticals! ... Basically the pharmaceutical industry studies herbs or plant life to isolate the desired elements they believe will appeal to their constituents and give them the immediate results they seek without any consideration for the long term consequences, isola ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......10 by wombat 26 mon 1,948

”as it turns out Iodine is even more of a danger in its abuses.” ... ... ~care to elaborate on that? Make sure that you use lots of these: !!!!!!! [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......11 by RyanD 26 mon 1,974

Well its obvious your only concern is the vested interests you have in your promotion of iodine as a cure all,,, meaning you obviously haven’t considered the long term consequences, but any layman knows iodine is toxic and has often been associated with accidental or deliberate death! ... I have noticed you have had good results from this product but as far as a cureall ,which all three of you most definitely promote is becoming more and more evident is not the case! Trapper himself is constanlty ill and well vulcanel has obviously gone off the deep end ! One out of three to the unknown fact ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......12 by wombat 26 mon 1,904

thx for all of the !!!!!!!!!, you’re in fine form today:) ... ... Now, if you would like to debate something specific, I’m all eyes. ... ... [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......13 by RyanD 26 mon 1,957

I threw plenty on the table for you to deny womby, the ball is in your court! ... Remember Womby iodine is a trace element, like many trace elements the body needs them in minute quantities only, when you start playing god with them they can bite you in your rear end! ... Think of arsenic, a trace element needed for heart stability and is supplied in the proper amounts in certain foods we eat, consuming it as an isolated man made supplement would surely be followed shortly by a visit to your trauma center or soon to be followed by death! It’s not nice to fool with mother nature! [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......14 by blackngold 26 mon 1,929

I have a lot of respect for you Wombat. And I am not going to fight you. ... ... I stand by ...every... single word... ... In my post. ... ... We will have to just agree to disagree... ... ... [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......15 by Mira528 26 mon 1,907

blackngold, ... ... Your post clearly came from your heart. ... ... I agree with virtually every word you wrote. ... ... If you’re drawing a line in the sand, I’m on your side of the line. ... ... I’ve always been able to see beyond MH’s bad spelling and writing skills. I don’t know why, but I always believed him. ... ... I speak as a university-science-educated person. Book-learning matters little. ... ... What matters is honesty and sincerity and truth and love. ... ... I’d like to know whether you’ll raise the issue of colloidal silver too. It hurts me to know that Curezone may be promoting poisons. ... ... I’m sorry ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......16 by hanna 26 mon 1,978

In alternative health we always will have these problems. ... People are for ever experimenting. ... We all did especially with iodine. About 3-4 years ago we were all learning and reading. A friend of mine asked me since she was pregnant if she should take iodine at that time I said I would not, we are all adults trying to learn and at this point if I were you I would not. ... MH started 9 years ago and we don’t know what he made or how much was used, so we don’t know any details. [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......17 by wombat 26 mon 2,020

... ... I think that there is a lot more to this story- it’s not just the mother that determines the health of the baby. I’ve done a lot of research and there is nothing in the literature that says that excessive iodine consumption will lead to any sort of birth defect. If anyone has found anything to support that hypothesis, please inform. Transient hypo or hyperthyroidism, sure. ... ... I’m NOT saying that this is impossible, folks, so please refrain from jumping all over me. I just find this particular cause/effect to be unprovable. ... ... MH is not considering other factors which ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......18 by blackngold 26 mon 1,874

... Wombat - I hope you know how much respect I have for you..... ... ... Your quote...... ... ... ... I think that there is a lot more to this story- it’s not just the mother that determines the health of the baby. I’ve done a lot of research and there is nothing in the literature that says that excessive iodine consumption will lead to any sort of birth defect. If anyone has found anything to support that hypothesis, please inform.” ... ... You are playing with fire. ... ... I have NO problems with adults being adults. ... ... But children??????? ... ... Rummaging around in literature for a golden key????? ... ... That is wh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......19 by wombat 26 mon 1,958

Isn’t the health of the child a direct result of the health of the parents, BnG? ... Both parents? ... ... Playing with fire? How so? Because I consider possible variables? Isn’t that what learning is all about? ... ... What line are you drawing? [End]

Re:20 by blackngold 26 mon 1,942

... ”Isn’t the health of the child a direct result of the health of the parents, BnG? ... Both parents?” ... ... Yes it is. But the woman carries the baby. ... So much more of the burden falls on her shoulders. ... I am not going to pull up a 101 textbook for this. ... It’s basic, common sense........ ... ... ”Playing with fire? How so? Because I consider possible variables? Isn’t that what learning is all about? ... ... What line are you drawing?” ... ... We all need to think outside the box. Which is why I have drawn my line in the sand. ... ... I won’t just wave at roadkill at the side of the road anymore. ... ... Just won’t do ... [retrieve this message]

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/33 21 by wombat 26 mon 1,973

... What box? what roadkill? what golden key? what line? ... ... Are you quoting song lyrics again? ... ... have ... you ... ever ... heard ... of ... fibrocystic ... breast ... disease ... ? ... ... have ... you ... heard ... that ... it ... is ... a ... precursor ... to ... breast ... cancer ... ? ... ... did ... you ... know ... that ... young ... women ... become ... old ... women ... ? ... ... and ... that ... breast ... cancer ... risk ... increases ... with ... age ... ? ... ... Did ... you ... know ... that ... iodine ... (and other stuff, of course) ... cures ... FBD ... ? ... ... Because ... iodine ... stimulates ... apoptosis- programmed cell death. Lack of apoptosis causes the buildup of fibrotic tissue. ... ... THEREBY~ reducing the likelihood of breast ... [retrieve this message]

Re:22 by blackngold 26 mon 1,889

W... ... ... I have already made very clear my respect for you. ... And breast cancer. And the message. ... ... You don’t need to steal my material. It will never come out the same. It’s like me staring down now at a plastic box. And I mean no offense. ... ... Wombat. ... ... You are very heartfelt. I can feel your heart beating. And I truly mean that. ... ... I have never questioned your motives. It’s been a long day. ... ... So why don’t we both sleep on it. O.K.? ... ... My best.....And I wish you the absolute best........... ... ... Tommy [End]

Re:23 by wombat 26 mon 2,117

nighty-night! :) ... ... ... ... [End]

Colloidal silver a poison? I beg to disagree24 by Dquixote1217 26 mon 1,861

Where do you get the idea that colloidal silver is a poison? ... ... I would like to see any evidence whatsoever that indicates that properly made and ingested colloidal silver is in any way poisionous. I have spent a great deal of time researching colloidal silver and know literally hundreds who have taken it and continue to take it. I have yet to find any credible evidence of toxicity or harm to one single person. CureZone promoting colloidal silver is in my opinion not promoting a poison, but rather is performing an admirable service by promoting a safer and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Colloidal silver a poison? I beg to disagree25 by grassman 26 mon 1,770

And smurfism well thats not toxic but it is very blue.Man is very fond of silver and can be found everywhere. [End]

Re: Colloidal silver a poison? I beg to disagree26 by Dquixote1217 26 mon 1,875

Yeah, the infamous blue man Paul Karason was given a clean bill of health after a complete physical at Mt. Sinai Hospital - though you don’t hear the maim-stream media talk about that. Actually, I have yet to find one single instance of properly made and properly administered colloidal silver causing anyone to turn the slightest bit blue. Karason made it at home with tap water, added salt to it and then proceeded to drink quarts of it daily for over a year. And he rubbed it into his skin regularly. ... ... Literally millions of people all over the world regularly take c ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Smurf tribes.27 by grassman 26 mon 2,024

They must be flying the chem trail planes. [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......28 by wombat 26 mon 1,915

I respect your right to disagree:) [End]

Re: Should have been done long ago.......29 by Mira528 26 mon 1,954

If chemical iodine is potentially toxic to an your unborn baby during pregnancy, why is it good for us at any other time? ... ... With all due respect, If something doesn’t support human life at every stage, sorry but I’m not interested in consuming it. ... ... I’ll reach for apples and oranges instead ... [End]

Re: Do you really want to know?30 by wombat 26 mon 1,987

”If chemical Iodine is potentially toxic to an your unborn baby during pregnancy, why is it good for us at any other time?” ... ... If you are truly interested in learning, here’s a good 101 for you: ... ... ................................................. ... ... http://www.unsystem.org/SCN/archives/npp03/ch07.htm#TopOfPage ... ... ... The spectrum of iodine deficiency disorders which occur at various stages of development is shown in Table 1. Each of the four states is considered in detail here below. ... ... ... ... TABLE 1 ... ... ... ... THE SPECTRUM OF IODINE DEFICIENCY DISORDERS ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: For anyone wishing to learn31 by wombat 26 mon 1,920

The end result of iodine deficiency over generations is cretinism. This video shows that that can be reversed in the next generation with iodine supplementation: ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4X5cXaf7Y [End]

Re: For anyone wishing to learn32 by Mira528 26 mon 1,918

There are plant sources of iodine which I believe are not toxic at any stage of life. ... ... I have a deep mistrust of articles such as the ones you posted. Not because of you, but because of my life experiences and background. ... ... Please do not take this as an attack. ... ... People just have different belief systems. ... ... It would be pretty boring if we were all the same. ... ... I do not wish to get into a prolonged argument; it does no one any good. ... ... With the utmost of respect for you as a person, I agree to disagree. ... ... This will be my last post on this thread, as I do not wish to hurt anyone. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: For anyone wishing to learn33 by wombat 26 mon 1,874

watch the video:) [End]

MH = L*nat*c

by mingus 26 mon 1,360

How is it MH can continue to post nonsense post after nonsense post and people continue to read his forum? ... ... Is it purely for entertainment purposes only? ... ... Do they really believe his extremely slanted ranting and raving, that changes direction as quickly as the wind? ... ... I think he needs a disclaimer at the end of every statement he says ”for entertainment purposes only, factual information randomly inserted within absurdity” ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: MH = Lunatic by grassman 26 mon 1,301

Some of the forum owners are a little unique in there alternativeness.LOL. [End]

Yippee !!

by fulcanelli 26 mon 1,365

With the internet, now anyone can be a doctor. Just enter the diagnosis and pull up a bunch of articles on it, cut and paste a few sections in a reply to someone asking about it. The more you can read and cut and paste, the more you can post, and the better doctor you’ll be !! ... ... And, if you come across anyone else who can cut and paste half as good as you or better, with whom you disagree, you two might just butt heads and lob torpedos at each other ad nauseum, the torpedoes being lengthy diatribes that you can pretty much guarantee the only ones reading them will be you two !! [End]

Re: Yippee !! by grassman 26 mon 1,143

Differences of opinion,say it is`nt so.And the zone goes on pee drinkers and all. [End]

My Convo with Hveragerthi

by showbiz 26 mon 1,926

On Thursday March 4th, 2011, I sent the following email to username Hveragerthi: ... ... ”I frequent curezone on the lookout for people like you. First allow me to ask you this: Are you HIV positive? Secondly, have you put your theories to the test and cured your HIV? If your answer is anything but yes to either of those questions, you need to consider just how dangerous your advice is. Your ”theories” are just that, theories. I am sure that you are going to begin spouting your ridiculous AIDS dissident theories at me in order to convert me. The truth is I was a believer in AIDS dissident theor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by lisamarie23 26 mon 1,698

wish i could say i am surprised, but it seems to fit his MO very well. ... ... he is a moderately intelligent person with something to offer but doesn’t realize he doesn’t know everything. ... ... someone called him a mid-level bureaucrat in one post and i laughed so hard at that i spit out all the food in my mouth. lshatisoatfimm ... ... sorry about your hiv. i think people have been cured of it with ozone. i have my own theories about hiv too, but i would never be so presumptuous to deny someone’s personal experience. [End]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by Tizona 26 mon 1,533

so you wrote an antagonistic e-mail to this guy. You told him you are going to harass him and troll him. and then he sent you a short e-mail back telling you to screw off ... ... And now you’re whining about it ... ... This is the problem with this website. Too many people want to get in arguments and whine about the fact that they got in an argument [End]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by spudlydoo 26 mon 1,511

Totally agree Tizona, and as Hv is not here to defend this accusation, its also a pretty childish act. ... ... Reminds me of the school yard, and the ”lets all pick on so and so” game. Children don’t know any better, but adults should. ... ... One thing I’ve noticed about trolls, is that they get really brave, when the object of their baiting isn’t around. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. ... ... spud [End]

and by the way... by Tizona 26 mon 1,568

oh and by the way. If you had read what Hv actually says about AIDS, then you would know that he actually AGREES with your claims ... ... Look at this post. He specifically says that the HIV virus destroys CD4 cells. Which is what you just said. so on that point you don’t disagree at all. ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1650098#i ... ... ... Now don’t you feel silly? [End]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by RyanD 26 mon 2,198

Classic Hveragerthi! ... Rude to the core! ... By the way Hveragerthi has abandoned his forum ,he was not banned from Curezone, he was put in his place by the webmaster and banned from a couple of SUPPORT forms where debate should be kept to minimum yet he continued to the point where he chased newbees in search of help away! Seems now Hava is too busy to help his followers here on his own forum and has barely made an appearance on his yahoo forum ,he seems to have abandoned all his worshipers claiming he is too busy to help anymore! ... But yet he could spend days debating and bashing here at C ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by #116107 26 mon 1,408

Hmmmm.... I could have sworn that we were told by the webmaster that we were not to use any names or the posts would be deleted.... wonder why these have not been deleted...... [End]
Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by #116107 26 mon 1,575

Your writing is offensive. Your hatred is obvious. Your vindictive nature makes you appear childish. [End]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by resistanceisfruitful 26 mon 2,048

Hey showbiz, It sounds like you are relying on anectdotal experience too. All of us with a pozitive ”HIV” diagnosis have to choose our own path. If the ARVS are working for you, then great. They almost killed me, and I’m still alive 9 years after quitting them. Does that prove anything? Only that an individual’s right to an informed choice is the only thing worth arguing for. ... ... I don’t suppose you care that you sound like a jihadist on a mission. ... [End]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by showbiz 26 mon 1,675

”I don’t suppose you care that you sound like a jihadist on a mission.” ... ... A Jihadist? Really man? Do me a favor and look up the meaning of jihad, then tell me that any comment I have ever posted on this site is typical of a jihadist. And if that is what you think of me based on my posts, you are correct in assuming that absolutely I do not care. ... ... ”Does that prove anything? Only that an individual’s right to an informed choice is the only thing worth arguing for.” ... ... It proves that you and I had different experiences. I have no beef with you man. ... ... ”It sounds like you are re ... [retrieve this message]

Re: My Convo with Hveragerthi by resistanceisfruitful 26 mon 1,386

Yeah, jihadist was a horrible choice of words on my part. I apologize. ... ... I also agree that we have different experiences, which really was the point for intervening here in the first place. ... ... Best wishes to you. ... [End]

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