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Should we be eating mushroom with the intro diet to GAPS? by #161001 29 days 160

Should we be eating mushroom with the intro diet to GAPS? ... ... Cooked of course (to destory the natural toxin in it) ... ... http://nutritionfacts.org/video/boosting-immunity-while-reducing-inflammation/ ... ... http://www.wellfedhomestead.com/what-can-you-eat-on-the-gaps-intro-diet ... [End]

Reverse CFS, Crohn's, Asthma, Depression, Hypoglycemia, & more by natway 50 days 88

... ... Reverse Chronic Fatigue, Crohn’s Disease, Asthma, Depression, Hypoglycemia on a high-calorie/high-carb/low-fat diet lifestyle. ... ... Macro Ratio: 80-10-10 ... ... 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fats ... ... Calorie Requirements: ... ... Females = at least 2,500 a day ... Males = at least 3,000 a day ... ... http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/calorierequirements ... [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake?

by natway 89 days 231

I asked because all your symptoms fit malnutrition and over-exercising and even prescription drugs can cause that. A lot of people unknowingly skip meals or avoid higher calorie foods that can easily put them under the amount of calories a person need in a day. ... ... Have you ever calculated how many calories you’re averaging a day? It’s worth your while to at least eliminate calorie-restriction as a possible cause. ... ... A good free and easy app to help calculate your nutrition: ... ... http://cronometer.com/ ... [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by #155216 89 days 200

Here we go again... ... ... She already said that she wasn’t anorexic and didn’t have food issues, and yet you can’t help yourself. [End]
- Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by natway 89 days 241
  
  Are eating disorders the only cause for calorie-restriction/malnutrition? ... ... Go harass someone else, or go try to cure your non-confirmed parasites before butting in. [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by amber1921 88 days 194

Natway, ... It looks like you are just capitalizing on my misery. ... [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by natway 88 days 201

Why would you say that? Malnutrition is one possible cause of your symptoms. It’s more common around here more than people want to admit. It can be caused by not eating enough, or eating too much of empty calorie refined foods. ... ... If you get misdiagnosed, you might find yourself going down a long road of spending a lot of money on supplements and stuff to only be chasing your tail. It happened to me. ... ... Sorry if I offended. [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by #155216 88 days 194

Why are you assuming that people are malnourished? ... ... And why are you assuming that they don’t want to admit it? ... ... Seems like everyone here wants to get well, and no one would have a problem ’admitting’ they are malnourished - if it was so. ... ... [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by natway 88 days 265

A possible reason for why I asked: ... ... Sulbutiamine (brand name: Arcalion) is a synthetic derivative of thiamine (vitamin B1). ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulbutiamine ... ... Vitamin B1 Deficiency ... Certain medical conditions, including anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, alcoholism, liver disease, and chronic diarrhea increase the risk of thiamine deficiency. ... History: Symptoms of thiamine deficiency are numerous and most individuals with this condition experience some but not all possible symptoms. Early symptoms may include tiredness (fatigue), abdominal discomfort, sleep disturbances, memo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by fectoid2 88 days 221

Vegetarians are notably deficient in thiamine (B1) and B6 vitamins. So a vegetarian/fruitarian diet could also be a path to malnutrition. ... ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1797957 [End]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by natway 87 days 190

Maybe the calorie-restricted versions of those diets, but where did I mention what type of diet to eat in this thread? ... ... WHO says under 2,100 calories a day is starvation. ... ... Some random days I ate complete vegan, didn’t supplement, and didn’t make my targeted 3,000 cal minimum: ... ... March 15 ... Cal - 2,621 ... B1 - 2.8 mg (236%) ... B6 - 3.9 mg (304%) ... ... Feb 18 ... Cal - 2,482 ... B1 - 1.9 mg (155%) ... B6 - 8.0 mg (619%) ... ... Jan 25 ... Cal - 2,879 ... B1 - 2.7 mg (228%) ... B6 - 8.0 mg (612%) ... ... Jan 3 ... Cal - 1,986 ... B1 - 1.2 mg (104%) ... B6 - 3.9 mg (299%) ... ... ... So not worried. [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by fectoid2 87 days 181

So the recommendation to increase thiamine would be to emphasize yeast containing foods, nuts & seeds (sesame butter, sunflower seeds, macadamia, pecan) pork chops and fish. Those will quickly increase thiamine levels without supplementation. ... ... It’s very easy to increase calorie intake, which is why obesity is an epidemic. ... ... Where did you get the WHO information that 2,100 cals per day is starvation? ... ... I’m a 53 yr old male active runner at 6 ft tall 167 lbs. Most calorie counters say I need 2,400 - 2,600 cals per day to maintain my current weight. ... ... A 30 yr old female at 5 ft 5 in tall ... [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by natway 86 days 197

I didn’t eat any of those foods on the days I listed. No overt fats. There’s a variety of nutrients in every food and when you eat enough of them and enough variety, the nutrients all add up at the end of the day. ... ... Eating high-fat and high-sodium with high-carb and empty-calorie foods will get you fat. Look at all the fruit munchers who are eating 500-1,000 more calories per day than their recommended minimums everyone thinks is too high for all of that fruit. Everyone complains they are too skinny. The newbies at their forum who try to skimp on their recommended minimums are the one’s h ... [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by fectoid2 86 days 382

Both of those websites say that 2,100 calories is the average to lead a normal healthy life. It doesn’t say minimum. It says normal, and not sedentary. They’re also saying that if they enter a region where there is a starvation issue, 2,100 per day calories is the ”emergency” target for daily intake to recover the population. Again, we’re talking averages, not minimums. So, before you were saying they are experts, and now you’re saying that they’re not because they agree with what I said? Like I said, I’m very active and need 2,500 cals per day to maintain. An active 130 lb 5-5 female need ... [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by amber1921 87 days 177

Hi, natway ... ... I apologize for being rude. Maybe yo are genuinely trying to help, it seemed like you were promoting your calorie-counting app that’s why I said that. ... ... Here is what I think about your cause ... ... You are right about malnutrition being related to adrenal fatigue. The problem is that in people with advanced stages it is due to malabsorption for the most part not calorie restriction. Also AF sufferers are generally leaning towards Type A personality profile which makes them highly unlikely to develop eating disorders in the first place ... ... People with low cortisol phase of AF ar ... [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by natway 87 days 187

It’s not my app. It’s just a free one I use and like. ... ... Malabsorption, hypoglycemia and allergies are all symptoms of Malnutrition. ... ... Regardless of type A personality being true, a person can easily calorie-restrict on accident. I’m pretty sure I had. ... ... That’s the first time I heard the late stages of AF theory. Another malnutrition symptom is easily aroused anger (magnesium deficiency). ... ... If later stage AF people are underweight, how are they supposed to get out of it without getting more calories that gives them more nutrition? If supplements worked without reaching a person’s ca ... [retrieve this message]

Re: AF , ADHD and Sulbutiamine. Am I making a mistake? by fectoid2 87 days 177

Malabsorption, hypoglycemia and allergies are not symptoms, they’re conditions. [End]

Fruitarians Weigh Least. Nonvegetarians weigh most. Dairy Vegetarians W... by frugivorous 4 mon 344

Dr Mervyn Hardinge when at Harvard* did an isocaloric ... study of nonvegetarians, dairy vegetarians and vegans. ... He could not convince fruitarians to join the study but he ... said they weighed the least. The study went forward, each ... group receiving the same calories daily. At the end of ... several months, the vegans weighed the least, 23 pounds less ... than the nonvegetarians and 11 pounds less than the dairy ... vegetarians. ... ... *Harvard is heavily invested in the meat industry and ... therefore the discoverer of Mad Cow prions, Stanley Prusiner, left. ... [End]

What are warts by aboutwart 10 mon 551

The goal of wart treatment is to destroy or remove the wart without creating scar tissue, which can be more painful than the wart itself. How a wart is treated depends on the type of wart, its location, and its symptoms. Aboutwart provides safe and earliest wart removal by offering a range of products. ... ---------- ... What are warts [End]

Coming full circle. by grassman 14 mon 1,054

This is way to funny had to share. ... ... ... The Utterly Predictable Trajectory of Omnivore to Vegan to Ex-Vegan to Anti-Vegan ... OMNIVORE ... ... 1. Grow up on a crappy omnivore diet that includes a lot of junk food and boring home-cooked meals. In the suburbs, ideally. When you meet your first vegan, ask where they get their protein. Say you love cheese too much to ever give it up. Convince yourself there was a strip of leather somewhere on their shoes. ... ... 2. Realize how f***ed up it is that animals die so you can eat a McNugget. Go vegetarian. ... ... VEGETARIAN ... ... 3. Openly judge meat eaters. Anti-meat ... [retrieve this message]

meat debate again/ message to forum owners

R by #135092 14 mon 1,666

i have no real position on this matter, other than keeping an open mind and looking at the real world for evidence. ... ... ... recently one of the forum owners on curezone wrote a long post about how terrible meat is and how it clogs your organs and such. i admit to reading this person’s forum frequently but they are getting more and more imbalanced and irrational in their views imo. furthermore i am alarmed at the level of blatant censorship that goes on there. (there was a recent posting where ONLY positive experiences were allowed to be posted) ... ... the long rant against meat and animal is so e ... [retrieve this message]

Well said... by grzbear 14 mon 1,511

Certain mental and physical issues require animal foods. ... ... And just as the quality of plant foods varies considerably, so does that of animal foods, perhaps even more due to bio-accumulation. ... ... Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride ... ... absolutely mind blowing interview for anyone... including omnivores. ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJkS3ZBqos&feature=plcp&context=C4aaf88bVDvjVQa1PpcFO2Qnt6M0Gxr1KratKKhbM0a150SWlJqPk%3D ... http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-eating-meat-ethical/#more-28419 ... and then of course there is ... ... http://www.westonaprice.org/ ... Not to mention that raw liver was part of the ... [retrieve this message]

People should try different forums by hanna 14 mon 1,367

Part of the problem with CZ is, especially for new people, that they believe any forum where they end up on. ... ... Happened to me too after 3 months I made up my mind to follow one and keep reading. ... I went through the vegetarian etc stages till after 2 years ... found out that all the fruit and grain was not good for me and I went back to meat (grassfed, organic). ... ... Now my views for myself are based on at least 15 forums. ... I have never seen a forum that was perfect for me, there are always things I don’t agree with. ... ... Of course you learn from experience and it is difficult to ... tell people th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: People should try different forums by #135092 14 mon 1,379

well you are sort of lucky compared to the average person here, realizing what you did. ... ... i guess there are two ways to look at things: ... ... 1 it is the individual’s responsibility to be discerning and not get trapped into a single mode of thought/ follow a forum a guru ... ... 2 forum owners have a responsibility to not entrap people into their webs, especially if their protocols are not working. ... ... i think power flows from the top down, and i wonder sometimes who grants these forum owner privileges. some of these forum owners spell at a 4th grade level. some are so overtly combative and obviou ... [retrieve this message]

Re: meat debate again/ message to intellectual Hominids. by grassman 14 mon 1,404

Meat is was and will remain in the first world diet.There is no thing to really debate about the number one food stuff of man.History does speak for itself. ... ... There is an issue as far as carbs and there effect with animal foods.Paleo or Primal/with dairy is low carb and irritant removal focused. ... ... This is tested by application as far as how one feels and performs.This works well in sports fitness as well as health challenged. ... ... Veganism is steeped in emotional weakness and denial of human tradition.Meet your farmer that raises the pastured and free range foods and all will be well.My fa ... [retrieve this message]

Re: meat debate again/ message to forum owners by Histopathlab 11 mon 1,121

It depends on everyone’s view. [End]

Re: meat debate again/ message to forum owners by #116107 7 mon 980

135...thank you for such an eloquent response. I could not agree more. Each of us needs to find what works for us, without the demolition of other opinions. I believe in the Paleo lifestyle. what I know is that until I chose to eat this way, I could not lose weight. when I tried an Atkins approach, I lost 50 pounds in 3 months... and I was 50. I had the body of an overweight 50 year old, and all of a sudden I had the body of a 30 year old... or so the friends of my son told me ;). When I look at Dr. Fuhrman, he does not look healthy like Mark Sisson does... but that is just my opinion. ... [retrieve this message]

Surgery for Diabetes May Be Better Than Standard Treatment

by Jackdaw 15 mon 824

... Surgery for Diabetes May Be Better Than Standard Treatment ... By DENISE GRADY ... ... For some people with diabetes, surgery may be the best medicine. ... ... Two studies have found that weight-loss operations worked much better than the standard therapies for Type 2 diabetes in obese and overweight people whose blood sugar was out of control. Those who had surgery, which stapled the stomach and rerouted the small intestine, were much more likely to have a complete remission of diabetes, or to need less medicine, than people who were given the typical regimen of drugs, diet and exercise. ... ... The surg ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Surgery for Diabetes May Be Better Than Standard Treatment by grassman 15 mon 881

This would work if they survive the procedure. ... ... The best approach would be to lower insulin resistance through proper lifestyle adjustments.Surgery is only viable after failure to really care about your health is established. [End]

You Can't Lose Weight Without Doing This

by agringo4u 15 mon 1,002

For years I tried diet after diet and even when I lost weight I couldn’t keep it off for long. Thankfully, a friend talked me into jogging with her and only a few weeks later the pounds were coming off. It seems all those extra calories I was burning off was burning off a lot of fat as well. Here is a great article on the benefits of jogging for anyone interested. ... www.joggingexercise.com [End]

Re: You Can't Lose Weight Without Doing This by konstantine 15 mon 924

Weight lifting with only 30 seconds rest between sets seems to work for me. I do some wind sprints on cardio days, but I never saw the point in jogging. ... ... Your body will eventually build up a tolerance to any excercise so it’s best to constantly change your routine. ... ... I know alot of fat guys that jog. [End]

loan offer at an affordable interest rate of 3%

by #151656 15 mon 969

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Re: loan offer at an affordable interest rate of 3% by Charlize 10 mon 916

Thanks for the information. It’s good that loans you offer have affordable interest rates. Now there’s a variety of loans and private lenders and lending companies have much more consumers then they had before. In a view of today’s economy lots of people have monetary problems and need financial assistance. Loans can be very helpful, if you use them in a right way. People who use personal cash advance loans to cover casual expenses often get new financial problems instead of solving old. Before taking out a short-term loan it’s worth to know what kind of interest rates the lender charges ... [retrieve this message]

Is Stevia Safe? by Rainy. 18 mon 711

Current tests show that in some patients not only is the danger of Stevia a myth when used as part of a low sugar diet, but that in some instances it may also contribute to stablization of blood sugar allowing those who are currently insulin dependent to eventually not need treatment for high blood sugar levels and may also contribute to lowering of blood pressure. ... ... ... http://www.steviainfo.com/?page=news_detail&id=34 [End]

Should You Use A Stomach Bypass To Get Rid of Weight? by agringo4u 19 mon 593

Some people are for and some against gastric bypass surgery. Of course the ones against had a bad experience with one or know someone who did. The ones who are for it are the ones who had a successful surgery and turned their lives around. ... Still, gastric bypass surgery should be a last resort option for only the morbidly obese, and even then there are qualification that must be met. Here is an excellent article on the subject for anyone with an interest. ... http://www.risksgastricbypasssurgery.com/ [End]

Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype

by JAZZIE 19 mon 2,054

This is an amazing artical of facts that will blow you away .. ... ... http://www.westonaprice.org/search/search?q=soy ... ... ... ... http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/tragedy-and-hype ... ... ... Tragedy and Hype: Third International Soy Symposium ... ... ... ... Marketing the Perfect Food ... ... The FDA Health Claim ... ... Cinderella’s Dark Side ... ... Soy Protein Isolate ... ... Birth Control Pills for Babies ... ... But it was the isoflavones in infant formula that gave the Jameses the most cause for concern. In 1998, investigators reported that the daily exposure of infants to isoflavones in soy infant formula is 6 to 11 times hi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,969

This is all the same bogus information by the Weston Price Foundation that has been debunked so many times. They have an agenda to bash soy since soy is the biggest competitor of their largest financial supporters, the beef and dairy industries. ... ... For example, this statement: " New data indicate that environmental estrogens such as PCBs and DDE (a breakdown product of DDT) may cause early sexual| development in girls". This has absolutely nothing to do with soy other than the fact that soy will protect the body from the dangerous effects of PCBs and DDT. Soy a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by chrisb1 19 mon 1,947

However, the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against the use of Soy. ... ... Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!...................... ... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx ... AND......... ... http://www.drmercola.info/soy/9-r ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by grassman 19 mon 1,896

The internet and over hyped misinformation. ... ... To bean or not to bean.Tis the question. ... ... Should humans feed bean juice to infants?Answer is no. ... ... Should humans feed infants meat juice?Answer is no. ... ... Mercola is an honorary board member of the WAPF.He replaced guru Stephen Byrnes who died of a stroke at the age of 45. ... ... What happens when scientists take the 24 compounds found in black bean skins.And concentrate them and feed them to rats.Well they die. ... ... And what happens when they feed them the whole bean.They thrive. ... ... Beware beans kill.Well only when scientists and rats are nearby ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,673

beware BAD soybean! ... ... That is question. ... ... and tehbad grammAr. [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,947

However, the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against the use of Soy. ... ... ... Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!...................... ... ... Mercola has been debunked on various issues as I have addressed previously as well: ... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.as ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by chrisb1 19 mon 2,049

H, ... opinions may differ here on the benefits or otherwise of Soy, but we should bear in mind that most all Soy is now Genetically Engineered and therefore harmful, as is the consensus with all GE foods, with the exception of companies who are behind their production. ... ... Your disagreement with Mercola and other health professionals/bodies on their stance with Soy, would be better served by taking issue with them rather than the messengers of their findings. It is also hardly likely that they have a hidden agenda against soy as you claim, with the Weston Price Foundation and their alleged co ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation,mercola and sales Hype by grassman 19 mon 1,866

Market share for protein foods is the main issue here. ... ... And mercola has the highest priced whey protein out there.Whey is an excellent source of clean animal protein.But what he sells is not special enough to warrant such a high price. ... ... So when did you become a cheer leader for animal products? ... ... Oh ya it fits your agenda for today. ... ... The made up soy issue is such a foolish waste of time. ... ... Maybe a smear campaign on pinto beans is in order.LOL. [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation,mercola and sales Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,696

oh yah so much post so little senses! ... ... What writing anyway! ... ... maybe begun campaine on thought process. LOL ... ... ? [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,906

opinions may differ here on the benefits or otherwise of Soy, but we should bear in mind that most all Soy is now Genetically Engineered and therefore harmful, as is the consensus with all GE foods, with the exception of companies who are behind their production. ... ... As much as I dislike the concept of genetically modified, the fact that something is genetically modified does not make it inherently dangerous. For example, Starlite corn did kill some people although this was only in people with severe allergic reactions to peanuts. This is because it had a peanut gene spli ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,698

So you think the beef and dairy industries are against the soy industry when cattle consume nearly 20% of the country’s soy? Wrong. It’s exactly the opposite scenario: They are in collaboration with the industry, which is exactly why GMO soy is so widespread: to get the cheapest, greatest yield of soy to support the beef and dairy industries which they are in collaboration with. ... ... "And then there was the dairy farmer sued for stating his milk was free of bovine growth hormone (BGH). The politicians later made doing so illegal since as they put it this implied tha ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by chrisb1 19 mon 1,693

Well said Michael B, I couldn’t agree with you more. ... ... Chrisb1 [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by grassman 19 mon 1,710

What does cattle feed have to do with protein food market share? ... ... Absolutely nothing cows do not shop for protein with money you so funny. ... ... The body part flushing fantasy well duh. ... ... Soy is not Monsanto it still exists as a organic bean. ... ... So much emotional ignorance so little time. [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,675

No meaning post so no worthy of reply! ... ... Soy just A BEAN! lol wake up ignorance! ... ... Poorly writed to. ... ... you NOt believe body part fantasy hundred thousands success testimonIALS you so funny~ ... ... so much emotional bad so small TIME!!!! [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,694

So you think the beef and dairy industries are against the soy industry when cattle consume nearly 20% of the country’s soy? Wrong. It’s exactly the opposite scenario: They are in collaboration with the industry, which is exactly why GMO soy is so widespread: to get the cheapest, greatest yield of soy to support the beef and dairy industries which they are in collaboration with. ... ... You clearly do not know much about the cattle industry either. Cows are fed a number of things including hay, silage, fish pellets, cottonseed meal (which by the way is o ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,733

... Unsatisfactory response. Highly Entertaining, as most of your rants always are, but still unsatisfactory. Which is another reason why you lost the debate in the liver flush forum. ... ... All the "ROTFLMAO"s, "LOL’s", and derisive reference to "liver flush supporters" won’t change the facts. 20% of the country’s soy production goes directly to feed cattle. An animal that has no natural affinity for soy is consuming 20 percent of the country’s soy production? Follow the money. It i s obvious beef and dairy industries are in collaboration with t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,857

Unsatisfactory response. Highly Entertaining, as most of your rants always are, but still unsatisfactory. Which is another reason why you lost the debate in the liver flush forum. ... ... I guess you still do not understand the basic concept of debate. Once again, in a debate the person takes a position and provides evidence to back that position as I consistently did and thus won the debates. Simply telling me I am wrong without any proof and calling me names since the "liver flush" supporters had no evidence to back their claims means they lost the deb ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by grassman 19 mon 1,759

Soy beans can be purchased in an organic form at nutsonline.com. ... ... Being a paranoid dork crapping out soap stones says it all.LOL. [End]
- Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,628
  
  Buy some balls online while you’re at it. Then maybe you won’t be such a follower [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by Michael B 19 mon 1,664

You’ve got to be kidding me. Once again, your response is highly unsatisfactory. The site about subsidies is obvioiusly not propaganda, it’s referenced from the farmers weekly report. Here is another study http://nyu.academia.edu/KellyMoltzen/Papers/379987/Subsidies_and_Specialty_Crops_An_Analysis_of_the_Current_State_of_U.S._Agricultural_Policy ... ... Where it even says specifically the reason behind so much subsidization: to feed livestock. To give an idea of how ridiculous your idea of debate is, look at the link you posted for the price of soy meal: ... ... ... ”Brief Description: ... ... Soybean ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Soy:and its internet delusion. by grassman 19 mon 1,706

Certifiable beans can easily be acquired on the market today. ... ... It is amazing how much emotional weakness is attached to food. ... ... Funny stuff gullibility and internet misinformation makes for a flush of ones brain. ... ... The zone in its true glory.LOL. [End]

Re: Soy:and its internet delusion. by Michael B 19 mon 1,691

Types but without very convince about itself! Beans can buy at ONLINE!LOL. ... ... It is exactly at amazing at precisely how much gullibility in the ZONE.LOL. ... ... Tis the question. Why lines type but hit reTURN space? ... ... Emotional attach? Answer.NO ... ... Maybe. Meat juice for brains? Answer.YES ... ... So more emotional ignorants! So little TIIIIMME!!! ... ... ... [End]

Re: Soy:and its internet delusion. by grassman 19 mon 1,719

Well it seems that you flushed one to many times. ... ... Organic soy beans do exist. ... ... Celery has toxins. ... ... So does most plant life. ... ... Part of survival. ... ... Liver serves purpose. ... ... Flushing not it. ... ... That`s why there`s no handle. ... ... Me had steak tonight,not grass fed.Yummy. ... ... I hug tree tomorrow then cut it down for fireplace. ... ... Cold here in winter.LOL++. [End]

Re: Soy:Weston A Price Fondation Tragedy and Hype by chrisb1 19 mon 1,631

Not that I normally quote the FDA on anything, but I just had to quote these, with 288 references to the toxicity of soy, in the FDA’s poisonous plants database............... ... http://www.westonaprice.org/images/pdfs/fdasoyreferences.pdf ... ... Happy reading Hv. ... ... Chrisb1. [End]

SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:

/40 1 by JAZZIE 19 mon 1,875 Diet Debates / Questionin / Facts and

http://www.westonaprice.org/search/search?q=soy [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:2 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,814

More misleading and debunked propaganda from the Weston Price Foundation. ... ... I like this line from their site: ... ... "The study found that those rabbits that had consumed the soybean hay suffered from partial reproductive failure.” ... ... Again it really goes to show the lengths that the Weston Price Foundation will go to for their propaganda campaign. Note they are heavily utilizing animal studies that DO NOT apply to humans. And they are feeding soybeans to an animal that does not normally consume soybeans. That is like feeding corn to a snake and exp ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:3 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,746

The global jury is in on the danger of unfermented Soy and the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against its use. ... ... Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!...................... ... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx ... ... AN ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:4 by JAZZIE 19 mon 1,665

Thank you for the information .. I had not found some of these links... Very informative.. I love Dr Mercola. Great information and the same with Shirley’s wellness Cafe... fantastic sites. ... thank you again, ... I wish you well. [End]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette5 by JAZZIE 19 mon 1,884

OH and by the way..on that one link you had... I thought this state ment was so Fantastic .. that I could hardly beleive I was reading it... ... ... Russian roulette!!!! ... ... http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html ... Do You Still Think We’re Exaggerating the Dangers of Soy? ... ... When there is a pretty good possibility that something is harmful, as is the case with soy, common sense dictates that it’s better to avoid it! ... ... The corporations who make billions from selling soy would like us to believe that until the dangers of soy are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, we shouldn’t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette6 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,662

http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html ... ... More misleading claims that have already been debunked. This is a big problem with the internet. Too many people simply repeating the same misinformation from propaganda websites without ever bothering to actually research the facts before repeating the myths. ... ... Do You Still Think We’re Exaggerating the Dangers of Soy? ... ... No doubt about it. ... ... ... [End]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette7 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,627

H, ... I suggest that you keep on eating your unfermented soy and see what happens to your health in the future. Please be good enough to let us know your findings. ... ... Chrisb1 [End]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette8 by JAZZIE 19 mon 1,609

I ditto this.. I too would love to see what happens to H. in the years to come.. ... ... I just have to say after reading H. posts for the years that I have come on here.. It seems unless it comes from H. it has got to be bogus Propaganda and not worth reading. No matter how Prestigious. ... ... I have to point out tho’ that H. however never seems to think that what he puts out could possible be bogus or Propaganda ... ... ... We are well from Candida.. if he has this condition.. why isn’t he well ?? It took us two years. ... with using all natural foods and herbs and essential oils.. and Olive Leaf ext ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette9 by curability 19 mon 1,703

You have some interesting observations and so does H. ... ... Just wondering how bad and how long you and your husband had candida. I ask this because I have it for what seems eons and I find it very interesting that you beat it with only olive leaf as antifungal. What were the oils that you used? Appreciate your testimonials. ... ... By the way, I have a bottle of olive leaf that I only use once in a while if I didn’t take coc oil with food. [End]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette10 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,608

I just have to say after reading H. posts for the years that I have come on here.. It seems unless it comes from H. it has got to be bogus Propaganda and not worth reading. No matter how Prestigious. ... ... I have to point out tho’ that H. however never seems to think that what he puts out could possible be bogus or Propaganda ... ... ... The difference is that I rely on reading actual studies. You simply keep reposting the myths that have already been debunked over and over. ... ... Love to see what his health is when he is 65 and 68 years old. We have no gray hair.. Bet he gets gray ha ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette11 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,604

I suggest that you keep on eating your unfermented soy and see what happens to your health in the future. Please be good enough to let us know your findings. ... ... Well Chris, so far 47 years of eating soy and absolutely no health issues. How many health issues do you have? ... ... ... By the way, you may want to read those references you posted supposedly to bash soy since if you actually read them you will see how many are touting the benefits of soy: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1881439#i ... ... Again, people should actually read the evidence they are posting if they want t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette12 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,619

Okay. ... So perhaps you can explain in detail why so many health professionals are against the use of unfermented Soy? ... ... Does Mercola and others have an agenda here and if so what is it? ... ... Maybe there is a prejudicial conspiracy against the bean itself? so I feel sorry for that poor little old bean. ... I mean what harm has it done to anyone except for being a member of the bean family? ... ... Life isn’t fair sometimes and this just goes to prove that point. ... ... Chrisb1. [End]

Re: SOY: Russian roulette13 by lisamarie23 19 mon 1,581

Chris, pay no bother to him. It’s alaways the same pattern, he starts arguing on support forums an eventually gets banned. perhaps the soy has already done its damage. ... ... [End]

Lisamarie: Re: SOY: Russian roulette14 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,599

Thank you lisamarie that is good advice. ... I find H to be antagonistic and confrontational. ... ... People may disagree with each other of course, but it is unacceptable to address a difference of opinion with a high degree of incivility, which H always seems to do. ... ... Chrisb1 [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:15 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,680

The global jury is in on the danger of unfermented Soy and the Weston Price Foundation are not the only organisation against its use. ... ... Dr Mercola for example has weighed the evidence of thousands of studies in consuming soy in its unfermented state, and concluded that the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits; that is unless he also has an agenda to bash soy because of his financial support from the beef and dairy industries!!...................... ... ... ... Mercola has been debunked on various issues as I have addressed previously as well: ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:16 by jameskep37 19 mon 1,661

H is right. When i was doing too much flax meal it was screwing with my prostate(enlarged prostate). From what i recall flax seem to be having more estrogen effects than soy. I went on the soy craze as well and it did not give me issues as much as flax meal did. I dont see a problem with people doing fermented soy every now and then. Women probably benefit from soy+flax more than men. Lean meat works better for me than soy. ... [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:17 by curability 19 mon 1,601

Did you have a before and after physical exam that signaled enlarged prostate and cure? [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:18 by saywhatagain 19 mon 1,715

Maybe I should save this for the conspiracy theory forum, but I read part of the article and when it was talking about all the different ways that soy is used in foods it reminded me of some thoughts I had a while back. ... ... In the United States (and probably many other countries as well) almost all soy, corn and canola is GMO (as you pointed out many times before). If you look at the ingredient list of almost any packaged food you will see at least one of these ingredients in some form (in many cases all three are present). Many times, even if you don’t see the actual word corn, soy, or c ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:19 by JAZZIE 19 mon 1,783

Thank You So Much .. !! ... Very Well Put... !!! ... ... And~~ I think this is an excellent place to put this information.. so many people out there just do not realize what is happening.. and I really cannot understand a person Yelling so loud about how wonderful soy is when they are against Geneitcally Modified foods... Which Soy is.. and all those chemicalls used to raise it.. absorbed into the beans. ... ... Which by the way is the same company that made Agent Orange .. that did so much havic on our Soldiers in Viet Nam and now for the people where the soy is being grown and us consuming their prod ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:20 by curability 19 mon 1,713

I was sucked into the soy craze in the 80’s. Drank a lot of soy milk and also soy lecithin but now try to stay away from all of it. However, I am guilty of eating soy put in stuf like cereal and soups. ... ... I admire that you can stay away from all processed foods. The only way can stay away from desert type products is to allow myself snacks. One of them is pop corn although I pop it myself with plenty of coconut oil. The problem is that much of the corn is also gmo and organic kernels cost 5 x as much. [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:

/40 21 by JAZZIE 19 mon 1,628

Do you shop whole foods stores ?? ... I was surprised when I switched over to those types of stores for some of our food supply... at how reasonable they are. I of course had the idea that they were expensive. ( which of course they were years ago )I do not know about your area, however in mine, the main grocery stores have been going to Organic and even Costco has joined in to the wonderful trend and the prices now are not as bad as you would think. Sense they are not the only place selling ORGANIC foods... Soups come in Paper cartons and are really reasonable marked and really tasty. I ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:22 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,645

And if you can save up to buy in bulk you can also find Ranchers that sell meat that is soy free raised on the internet in your area. ? ... ... You mean the same meats that contain hormones that can be hundreds to thousands of times stronger than the phytoestrogens found in plants? Yes, even organic meats contain hormones generated by the animals themselves. And animal estrogens are much more powerful than human estrogens, which are already hundreds of times stronger than phytoestrogens. For example, look at the Premarin fiasco. After 30 years they finally admitte ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:23 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,688

H, ... on the subject of coffee, I scoured the internet to find reliable sources on its health benefits. Type ”coffee” into pubmed (the beloved scientific health-research website) and you will get almost 7,000 results back. Below are some of the major findings I found about health, life expectancy with consuming coffee................ ... ... •Heart Disease (up to 25% reduction in mortality risk (for women)) ... •Diabetes (up to 60% reduced risk) ... •Dementia (up to 65% reduced risk) ... •Colon Cancer (up to 25% reduced risk) ... •Cirrhosis (up to 80% reduced risk) ... •Gallstones (almost 50% reduced risk) ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:24 by saywhatagain 19 mon 1,665

It is really true that you can find scientific studies to back up almost any point that you want to make. As you said about coffee, you can find studies that say it improves health and you can find studies that say it is harmful to health. What you have to keep in mind is that it is very important who is funding any particular studies. Is it Starbucks or one of it’s subsidiaries that is funding a particular study, well if so chances are it will come out as saying coffee is good for you. It was really funny a while back I was noticing how the big news stations would first say coffee was ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:25 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,690

on the subject of coffee, I scoured the internet to find reliable sources on its health benefits. Type "coffee" into pubmed (the beloved scientific health-research website) and you will get almost 7,000 results back. Below are some of the major findings I found about health, life expectancy with consuming coffee................ ... ... •Heart Disease (up to 25% reduction in mortality risk (for women)) ... ... Coffee increases inflammation, which is what leads to heart disease. The high blood pressure from caffeine use also contributes. ... ... ... •Diabetes (up to 60% re ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:26 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,639

So, you really do like a discussion H. ... ... Your comment that........... ... ”Yes, which is why unlike you I actually read the studies” ... ... Are you confrontational or what? Actually dear H my findings were from reading the actual studies. ... Wrong again: I do not rely on newspaper articles but the actual studies themselves. Picking and choosing would be a more accurate way of describing any results/conclusions to fit your own particular paradigm, or preconceived notions and dogma. ... ... For example re’ Diabetes WebMD. Unless you know better than Frank Hu, MD, MPH, PhD, nutrition and epidemiology prof ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:27 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,636

So, you really do like a discussion H. ... ... Your comment that........... ... "Yes, which is why unlike you I actually read the studies" ... ... Are you confrontational or what? ... ... Based on your various past posts about me I could definitely ask the same thing of you. ... ... So if you read the studies you actually linked then why was it that you did not know that so many of them touted the health benefits of soy while at the same time you made it sound like they were touting dangers of soy instead? This is why I seriously doubt you read your own links. And as I pointed ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:28 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,719

I believe you have issues H that need to be addressed, and the sooner the better. ... ... Enough said. ... ... You will not hear from me again. ... ... BTW. Newspaper articles and the like actually report on the conclusions of actual studies as found by the researchers themselves: unless you think they are making-them up for reasons unknown; or perhaps the journalists have an agenda of their own, for reasons known only to them. ... ... Chrisb1. [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:29 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,757

I believe you have issues H that need to be addressed, and the sooner the better. ... ... LOL!!! You insulted me twice now in the same thread in violation of TOS all because I posted evidence to my claims and pointed out that your own references also touted the health benefits of soy. And you claim I am the one with problems?!!! ... ... Enough said. ... ... Good, I was tired of pointing out your mistakes anyway. ... ... You will not hear from me again. ... ... Even better. ... ... BTW. Newspaper articles and the like actually report on the conclusions of actual studies as found by the r ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:30 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,541

For the record, ... ... When I said I believe you have issues that need to be addressed H, this was meant as a constructive, impartial and objective comment in trying to be of help to you; it was not designed as a personal attack, or in any way aimed at you as a violation of TOS. ... ... I do not have any issues with your right to comment and disagree with the information I have presented within my posts, only the ”manner” in which you go about this. I have found your replies to my posts to be uncivil, antagonistic, and confrontational, and where I believe I am not the only one to think this way. ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:31 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,535

For the record, ... ... ... When I said I believe you have issues that need to be addressed H, this was meant as a constructive, impartial and objective comment in trying to be of help to you; it was not designed as a personal attack, or in any way aimed at you as a violation of TOS. ... ... I do not have any issues with your right to comment and disagree with the information I have presented within my posts, only the "manner" in which you go about this. I have found your replies to my posts to be uncivil, antagonistic, and confrontational, and where I believe I am not the only one ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:32 by chrisb1 19 mon 1,509

H, ... This thread has nothing to do with facts which I have presented to you in a few posts. ... ... ”I am the one that has been attacked over and over for simply posting evidence to my claims that some people did not want to hear because it violated their belief systems. When I fought back I was blamed for starting the attacks and banned from various forums while the attacks against me continued, including ones by you, and have been allowed by the Webmaster and moderators. So I really don’t care what you think of my posting style”. ... ... What it does have to do with is your erroneous perception o ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:33 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,532

This thread has nothing to do with facts which I have presented to you in a few posts. ... ... ... "I am the one that has been attacked over and over for simply posting evidence to my claims that some people did not want to hear because it violated their belief systems. When I fought back I was blamed for starting the attacks and banned from various forums while the attacks against me continued, including ones by you, and have been allowed by the Webmaster and moderators. So I really don’t care what you think of my posting style". ... ... What it does have to do with is ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:34 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,768

and I really cannot understand a person Yelling so loud about how wonderful soy is when they are against Geneitcally Modified foods... Which Soy is.. ... ... Yep, exaggeration. Not all soy is GMO to begin with. And why not bash other GMO foods? All I see you post are links to anti-soy propaganda sites with misleading and false information that has already been debunked over and over. ... ... My husband and I are in our mid-to late 60’s and we have over come so many things, for my husband, that the doctors did not think we could take care of our selves.. but we got wise and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:35 by jameskep37 19 mon 1,665

My father in law drinks coffee everyday and never gets sick eats like a horse. But he has gout and joint pain+inflammation,high blood pressure. Coffee has its advantages and disadvantages. Coffee is a diurectic/ contains caffeine which can cause mineral loss=cause issues with blood pressure. But I know a lot of coffee drinkers that seem to never get sick. Must be all the bile/acids that the coffee promotes that makes a bad environment for microbes. Coffee definetly pisses off candida . Ive experienced that. It can also aggravate IBS. ... ... ... [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:36 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,726

My father in law drinks coffee everyday and never gets sick eats like a horse. But he has gout ... ... Yes, caffeine also increases uric acid levels while decreasing water content in the blood due to its diuretic effect. This leads to the precipitation of uric acid crystals in the joints where they damage the joints. ... ... and joint pain+inflammation, ... ... Caffeine also crashes the adrenals leading to a decreased production of anti-inflammatory corticosteroids and thus increased inflammation, which has been linked to numerous diseases. ... ... high blood pressure. Coffee has its advantag ... [retrieve this message]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:/H Question?37 by jameskep37 19 mon 1,496

H. What exactly do tannins do to yeast? ... [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:/H Question?38 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,542

H. What exactly do tannins do to yeast? ... ... The easiest way to explain it is that tannins cause the yeast to clump up by binding their cell proteins so the yeast cells cannot function properly. ... ... Keep in mind though that tannins also bind nutrients and other beneficial compounds reducing their availability to the body. ... [End]

Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:/H Question?39 by jameskep37 19 mon 1,520

Thanks H. Dont tannins also affect the adhesion of candida as well? ... [End]
- Re: SOY: West Price Foundation Tragedy and Hype:/H Question?40 by Hveragerthi 19 mon 1,663
  
  Thanks H. Dont tannins also affect the adhesion of candida as well? ... ... Yes they would through the same mechanism. ... [End]

Weight Loss Secrets Jenny Craig & Weight Watchers Don't Want by #112033 20 mon 951

Weight Loss Secrets Jenny Craig & Weight Watchers Don’t Want You to Know: ... ... http://www.terawarner.com/blog/2011/10/3-weight-loss-secrets-jenny-craig-weight-watchers-dont-want-you-to-know/ [End]

How Lobbyists Are Spinning Weak Science to Defend BPA by LCD 21 mon 847 News / Environmen / Parenting / 4 / 5 / 6

How Lobbyists Are Spinning Weak Science to Defend BPA ... ... They’re arguing that a new study shows canned foods to be safe, even when lined with BPA. The problem? That’s not what the study says. ... ... The latest skirmish in the battle over bisphenol A (BPA) -- the synthetic chemical used to make polycarbonate plastics, to make the epoxy resins that line food and beverage cans, and as developers in thermal receipt papers -- came last week when the Breast Cancer Fund, an Oakland-based non-profit, released the results of its testing for BPA in canned food marketed to children (PDF). The report foun ... [retrieve this message]

Meat or no Meat?

by lzqosoz94 25 mon 1,313

I have a question for all willing to contribute with more than anecdote but with a scientific approach. ... ... Is Meat harmful to humans? Can it be eaten daily if it is grass fed/organic? Is red meat really better than white meat? is it harmful regardless of your ”type”? ... ... I have read such conflicting views, i am never certain of how much or if any at all meat i should include. You hear groups/people like ”Weston Price foundation” and ”Mercola” for daily meat consumption, and others such as the China Study speaking adamantly against it. What is your opinion? [End]

Re: Meat or no Meat? by Roger Ramjet 25 mon 1,376

I don’t have any scientific backup, just how I feel about meat. For me, once a week is enough. More than that makes me gain weight and I just don’t feel that good - sort of sluggish. However, I think everyone is different and you jut have to experiment and decide how much is good for your body. Every body is different [End]

Re: Meat or no Meat? Meat-Glue LINK EWWWWW by #133830 25 mon 1,373

Well, I’ve become a vegetarian within the last year. Mostly for my health but EWWWWWW. Look at this consumer report what some in the meat industry are doing to the meat !! http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8989315/consumer/meat-glue ... ... ... EWWWWW Enough to make ANYONE think twice! It’s like showing a smoker pictures of people who have had the cancer surgery and have to talk thru a hole their throat. Scared straight ! [End]

Re: Meat or no Meat? Meat-Glue LINK EWWWWW by lzqosoz94 25 mon 1,330

This is what i don’t like about many of the vegetarian arguments and also studies although you didn’t present any. They treat meat like its all the same. Do you think a local co op with grass fed humanely treated cows are using this glue? I’d say no. Chances are the glue is used on the commercial meats which in that case are already a health disaster with the amount of pesticides, hormones and grain they eat. Meat is not Meat, the quality matters, but my question is, is even the finest healthiest raised meat a health risk and if so why? ... ... Also the User who first posted just posted an ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat glue comment by #133830 25 mon 1,374

Smile. Just something I just came across. Thought you or some of the readers might learn something interesting in the ’meat’ conversation. I’m in the learning curve of this healing game myself ...... Can’t answer all your questions.. not presenting arguments .. but will keep my eye on this link to see what you find. [End]

Re: Meat or no Meat? by AustinM 25 mon 1,835

Its my belief that one of the main reason for eating meat is for its mineral and salts that it contains. Animals and the human animal will do anything to get the mineral salts it requires to survive. There are stories I’ve heard on the news for several years about moose and other animals licking up the salty roadside water when it melts in spring. Elephants and other animals digging deep caves for some salt in the middle of tropical Africa where vegetation has little salt minerals. Wild Parrots eat clay and even farm chickens eat rocks and dirt to get the minerals they need to lay eggs ... [retrieve this message]

Effects of a restricted elimination diet on the behaviour of children wi... by LCD 27 mon 2,057 News / ADD/ADHD / Parenting / 4 / 5 / 6

The Lancet, Volume 377, Issue 9764, Pages 494 - 503, 5 February 2011 ... ... Effects of a restricted elimination diet on the behaviour of children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (INCA study): a randomised controlled trial ... ... ... ... Dr Lidy M Pelsser MSc a , Klaas Frankena PhD b, Jan Toorman MD c, Prof Huub F Savelkoul PhD b, Prof Anthony E Dubois MD d, Rob Rodrigues Pereira MD e, Ton A Haagen MD f, Nanda N Rommelse PhD g, Prof Jan K Buitelaar MD g ... Summary ... ... ... Background ... The effects of a restricted elimination diet in children with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) ... [retrieve this message]

How to get rid of parasites with diet

by alb36 29 mon 5,645 Parasites Debate / Candida De / Diet Debat / 4 / 5 / 6

I posted this message last night, few people got to email me before it got deleted and got threats from the moderators. They don’t want anyone telling the truth, they want you to keep buying their ”cure”. ... ... Candida gets addressed with the gapsdiet. Here’s an article on that: http://www.westonaprice.org/childrens-health/1379-gaps.html ... ... ... For the rest of you, read the message from last night (below): ... ... ... For all of you who got hooked with all those liver flushes, parasite cleansings, colon cleanses, etc., I want to tell you a long story: ... ... About two years ago I started getting extreme ... [retrieve this message]

Re: How to get rid of parasites with diet by recovering 29 mon 4,420

alb36, ... Excellent post. Please repost this in the Curezone Experts Debate Form. I think that is where posts like this one are supposed to go. (For example, posts that disagree with a forum owner or are banned on other forums.) ... ... I’m not ready to give up on liver flushing but I am open to alternatives. A diet with lots of healthy fats and good bacteria is the way to go. Proper nutrition unfortunately doesn’t heal everyone because of heavy metal poisoning from vaccines, dental amalgam, fluoride etc., which make things like liver flushing necessary. ... ... You are right on the money about ... [retrieve this message]

Re: How to get rid of parasites with diet by goodsamaritan55 29 mon 3,958

So where is the: ... ... HOW TO GET RID OF PARASITES with diet information? [End]

It's A Spam Post & Belongs In Debate Forum by ICU 29 mon 4,087

The only way to cure parasite infections is with parasite drugs. ... ... The post about diets that kill parasites is spam. ... ... The Parasite Drugs Forum Moderator was alerted about this & moved it to the Parasite Debate Forum, where it belongs! ... ... ICU ... ... ... My Curezone Posts: http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=762&c=0&ob=d&m=ICU ... ... Parasite Drug Protocols: Roundworms, Tapeworms, Flukes, Filariasis, Morgellons, & Protozoa: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1574645# ... ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: It's A Spam Post & Belongs In Debate Forum by survivor2011 27 mon 3,851

Disagree strongly. Many cultures outside the west have diets that include garlic, cloves, curry, coconut oil, etc. that parasites don’t like... Organic sheep farmers are using garlic juice. ... ... It used to be that humans were dewormed every 6 months when most folks lived on farms... we no longer do that. My grandparents and parents were farmers.. they used castor oil. Line up the kids, down it goes. in the ears and in the nose. like it or not. Just like the animals. ... ... [End]

Re: It's A Spam Post & Belongs In Debate Forum by #132938 26 mon 3,563

Dr. Christopher said that you will never get well until you change your diet. I believe that diet helps, ICU, but I now don’t believe that herbs can kill parasites completely. I have my Ivermectin/ABZ coming this week, will not be able to start it until May, though, because I’m moving right now. ... ... However, I am trying to alkalinize my body, because the worms don’t like an alkaline environment. I haven’t been eating right, and I think that if I do get my pH level back right, the drugs will work better. Drugs can only do so much, and they can’t work if our bodies are fighting them. ... ... I jus ... [retrieve this message]

Re: It's A Spam Post & Belongs In Debate Forum by J649 24 mon 3,734

”The only way to cure parasite infections is with parasite drugs.” ... ... Not true at all! Many have had success with raw garlic, ground cloves, turmeric, ginger, and cayenne, while others also used wormwood and green black walnut hulls. ... ... There are many other herbs that are also effective against parasites. ... ... http://www.innvista.com/health/microbes/parasite/treatpar.htm [End]

Re: It's A Spam Post & Belongs In Debate Forum by candidaquest 24 mon 4,034

Completely agreed! Last time I checked I don’t think the cause of parasites is caused by a flagyl deficiency! ... [End]

Re: It's A Spam Post & Belongs In Debate Forum by daizymae 20 mon 3,408

I am sorry to have to tell you that Dr. Cowan may be full of baloney. While I support the consumption of healthy saturated fats, and the reduction of oils, that kind of diet in and of itself will not prevent or cure gallstones. ... ... My grandmother, who lived on the farm, far away from civilization, had no oils in her house. At least I never saw any. They ate the pure lard that the Weston Price people love so much as well as the fatty meats from their own naturally-raised animals and butter made from their own cows’ unpasteurized milk. She and her family had a huge garden virtually all the ... [retrieve this message]

good article by michellekansas 18 mon 3,236

Do synthetic food colors cause hyperactivity?

by LCD 29 mon 2,972 News / ADD/ADHD / Parenting / 4 / 5 / 6

chicagotribune.com ... ... Do synthetic food colors cause hyperactivity? ... Critics blame the additives for triggering behavioral problems in youngsters ... ... By Julie Deardorff, Tribune reporter ... ... January 1, 2011 ... ... ... Food coloring is the reason glace cherries are red rather than beige and that children’s tongues sometimes appear freakishly blue. But man-made dyes may do more than make processed food look vibrant and whimsical. Some blame the additives for triggering behavioral problems in youngsters. ... ... Acting on research published in the Lancet, the European Parliament last year began requiring ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Do synthetic food colors cause hyperactivity? by Z2478 27 mon 2,890

Many people have recognized for quite some time that there is a connection between food dyes and abnormal behavior in children. Finally the mainstream is begining to realize what some have know for a very long time. There has already been much research done on this issue. This reasearch is available at www.feingold.org I highly recommend that you go to that site. Feingold also shows other potential causes of abnormal bahavior in children. [End]

Re: Do synthetic food colors cause hyperactivity? by marissagianna 23 mon 2,705

Hey this is the great research i found here! Abnormal behavior can be symptoms of anxiety, depression, eating disorders, physical aggression to self or others. Difference between normal and abnormal behavior is not always clear. [End]

raw milk kefir help needed

by #128526 31 mon 2,803 Ask CureZone / Candida Su / Nourishing / 4 / 5

Hi ... ... I have been battling candida and parasites for 3 years now and the only time I made significant progress is when I started taking milk kefir made with good quality raw milk. My god the die off was unbelievable like a really terrible flu, hallucination, barely able to stand, you get the idea but my bloating reduced hugely over a 4 week period, more energy no more coated tongue. Trouble is I could no longer get hold of raw milk and my kefir lost its healing ability almost overnight. ... ... I now have a regular supply of good quality raw milk and got some new grains which were incredibly pl ... [retrieve this message]

Re: raw milk kefir help needed by grzbear 31 mon 2,651

try different temperatures and see what occurs... ... ... The summers here stress the grains something awful, so I usually let my kefir ferment 12 hours or so and then put it in the refrigerator till complete. At which time I start again... ... ... You may have to play with it till you find what works where you are, in your environment. ... ... grz- ... ... [End]

Toxic Vitamin and Mineral Supplements

by splatthefly 3 year 2,102

The Daily Mail, a national UK newspaper ran an article yesterday highlighting how vitamin and mineral supplements can be toxic. Very interesting article that can be found at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1305534/The-toxic-truth-vitamin-supplements-Health-pills-millions-barely-second-thought-harm-good.html ... ... We launched an online resource to help people avoid supplements. Simply put in the vitamin or mineral and the amount you require. Our online resource at www.pillsorfood.com will then present you with a whole list of natural foods to replace the supplement. It saves you m ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Toxic Vitamin and Mineral Supplements by MDee 31 mon 1,456

Synthetic vits cause more harm than good in my experience, they make me plenty sick. Mineral supplements haven’t been any better for me, I don’t think that body can absorb minerals that aren’t bound to a protein anyway. Forget supplements and get what you need from food period. [End]

Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds

/46 1 by chrisb1 3 year 2,883 News / Diet Discu / Obesity Su / 4

Being a little less carnivorous may help you stay slim, a study of hundreds of thousands of Europeans suggests. ... ... Dr. Anne-Claire Vergnaud of Imperial College London in the UK and her colleagues found that people who ate more meat gained more weight over 5 years than those who ate less meat, but the same amount of calories. ... ... ”Our results suggest that a decrease in meat consumption may improve weight management,” they wrote in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. ... ... The study included more than 100,000 men and 270,000 women from 10 different European countries participating in a s ... [retrieve this message]

Especially if they are unhealthy people who eat unhealthy meats2 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,817

Heavy meat-eating could be part of an overall unhealthy diet or unhealthy lifestyle ... ... Yes, and therein likely lies the key. As we pointed out before, comparsions mean little if the meat eating group has people who live an unhealthy lifestyle and eat unhealthy processed meats and meats from animals subject to growth hormones and antibiotics. As a whole, people who eat less meat tend to be more health conscious and active. ... ... I hate to see these studies that don’t take into account the types of meat eaten and the overall lifestyles of the meat-eating group, and end up ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Especially if they are unhealthy people who eat unhealthy meats3 by hanna 3 year 2,721

I still feel it depends on your bodytype. I have tried the vegetarian way and I gained weight and felt sluggish. ... So I could say grains, fruit etc made me gain weight. ... If I eat low/no carbs I loose weight and have more energy. ... Several years ago I read that about 1/3 of the people do better on high protein and low carbs. ... Of course I agree that you need to eat the right ”healthy” food. [End]

Re: Especially if they are unhealthy people who eat unhealthy meats4 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,737

Of course it can vary by individual. On the other hand, virtually no one should eat NO carbs! At least some healthy carbs are essential for good health, especially over the long term. A lot of people who bought heavily into the no-carbs diet as publicized by the Atkins group will find problems down the road, the same as will a lot of people who have bought into the idea of eating only vegetables without carefully managing their diets will ultimately find problems due to long term nutritional deficiencies. ... ... It is all about balance and the kinds and quality of food ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds5 by RyanD 3 year 2,737

Another junk study! I could make a study proving vegetarians are unhealthy using vegetarians who lived off of junk food and soda pop! ... Again another questionable study by a very questionable source for very questionable reasons! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds6 by chrisb1 3 year 2,904

I thought this post might cause a bit of a stir!!! ... ... This ”junk study” is not really junk at all, and I quote........................ ... ... ”However, the researchers did attempt to take overall dietary pattern into account, as well as education, physical activity level, whether or not people smoked, and their total calorie intake”. ... ... AND........... ... ”When the researchers looked at different types of meat separately, they found the strongest association with weight gain for poultry, followed by processed meats and red meat”. ... ... So I would say a fairly objective analysis. ... ... Dr Ralph Cinques ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds7 by RyanD 3 year 2,701

”I thought this post might cause a bit of a stir!!!” ... ... I thought you said you didn’t have an agenda chrisb1 ? It seems to me you regularly attempt to promote your ideals, unless its yourself you are trying so hard to convince ! ... You can take all your studies and write a book crisb1 but I wouldnt pay a plug nickle for it because I know personally they are wrong faulty and financially motivated! ... But I myself will be considerate and wont waste my time trying to convince you of my meat eating agenda! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds8 by chrisb1 3 year 2,786

RyanD, ... I am not really promoting or endorsing anything except Vitamin D3 supplementation, Water-only-fasting, and Natural Hygiene, for the purposes of better health and the prevention of disease. ... ... The study made on meat consumption was conducted by Dr. Anne-Claire Vergnaud of Imperial College London in the UK and her colleagues, and where I was merely the messenger of that study. ... It may have been wrong and/or faulty but ”financially motivated” is misleading and erroneous. I would also ask: to what end? ... ... Did I ever mention that I do not have an agenda? ... I don’t think so; well, not in ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds9 by johng 3 year 2,660

promotion of vitamin d supplements is an obvious agenda, with long term negative health consequences as I show with peer reviewed studies repeatedly. immunomodulory or immunusuppressive... all the same if you really understand the immune system... [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds10 by RyanD 3 year 2,794

Any one can find a study to say anything they want chrisb1, there are studies showing how bad vegetables are how bad herbs are, all kinds of negative studies put out to promote peoples view points so why not take the high ground and stick with the positive studies about your beliefs and stop bashing what other people believe in. It doesn’t suit you. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds11 by chrisb1 3 year 2,633

That depends what you actually mean by the word ”promoting” John. ... ... If you had observed and read the information that I have posted on the subject of Vitamin D3, you will find that all I have done is ”report” on the actual findings of Research Scientists concerning the supplementation of this Vitamin, and have not ”forced” those findings onto anyone else: unless readers are unable to arrive at their own conclusions and accept these on face value. My experience within curezone is that the majority are not that gullible. ... I am also not the ”pied piper”. ... ... In addition John, your beliefs and ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds12 by RyanD 3 year 2,732

I never met a vegetarian or vegan who didn’t have an agenda! Maybe its the lack of animal based omega 3s that distort your objectivity! Good luck with you nutrient deficient diet the makers of supplements need your cash! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds13 by InCharge 3 year 2,585

I never met a vegetarian or vegan who didn’t have an agenda! ... ... I happen to be a vegetarian because it suits me, and I don’t give a rats azz what you or anybody else eats. ... ... Studies while maybe informative never take the whole picture into consideration. They tend to be like statistics. You can focus on any aspect of the study to get what statistic you want while disregarding everything else that may alter the outcome. ... ... This study was about meat eaters gaining more weight, but they didn’t mention the way the meat was prepared, or the food that is eaten with it. When is the last time ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds14 by RyanD 3 year 2,586

I also notice vegan/vegamites have no sense of humor and seem to be pissed off all the time! Animal based Omega3s people the brain needs it. ... But ya keep posting these patronizing, faulty and demeaning anti my diet articles and you will be the object of my humor! ... Omega 3s IC you need them badly. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds15 by InCharge 3 year 2,728

But ya keep posting these patronizing, faulty and demeaning anti my diet articles ... ... You said, now post where I said anything ”anti” your diet. ... ... BTW, Omega 3 comes from various sources including vegetarian. ... ... Also I missed your humor, did you mistake it for vitriol? ... [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds16 by RyanD 3 year 2,573

Duh look at the title of the thread! Animal based Omega3s the brain needs them IC obviously! Funny I’m laughing,you veegans have no sense of humor! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds17 by InCharge 3 year 2,610

Duh look at the title of the thread! Animal based Omega3s the brain needs them IC obviously! ... ... Duh, you better check again, it’s not the title of the thread I’m posting on. The joke is on you, go ahead and laugh. ... ... ”Omega-3” generally is not a proven brain-booster, but one omega-3 fatty acid (DHA) and one omega-6 one (ARA) are essential components of the brain, and it is therefore a no-brainer that some DHA and some ARA are better than none. However, they do not possess a magical dose-responsive ability to boost brain size and power, and the amounts required are probably fairly modest ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds18 by RyanD 3 year 2,622

You’re pretty slow IC I am only here defending my position the subject matter is my gripe ,I could care less what others do but if you’re gonna bash my way then you will open yourself up to criticism ,get over it ,its part of life! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds19 by InCharge 3 year 2,603

if you’re gonna bash my way then you will open yourself up to criticism ,get over it ,its part of life! ... ... There you go again. Post where I bashed your way. You bashed yourself by not posting what you accused me of doing. You couldn’t, because I didn’t. ... ... Think before you write. It really does matter, I actually read what you post. ... [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds20 by RyanD 3 year 2,589

Read between the lines girlie man! [End]
- Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds /46 21 by InCharge 3 year 2,645
  
  Go out and play on your skate board. ... [End]
  - Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds22 by RyanD 3 year 2,698
    
    I will as I watch you tiptoe through the tulips! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds23 by Maniek 3 year 2,639

Vegetarians at the strength you want happiness of mankind. Normally sect .....:) ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1541511#i [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds24 by chrisb1 3 year 2,633

RyanD, ... Your comment.......... ... ”I never met a vegetarian or vegan who didn’t have an agenda!” ... ... Well you have now. There is always a first time for everything I suppose. ... ... ”Omega 3 deficient diet”!! ... ... Hardly. I take Flax-seed oil and Hemp-seed oil both rich in omega 3’s......... ... http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/flaxoil.htm ... ... You may find it of interest that Dr Johanna Budwig only used flax-seed oil in combination with a sulphurated protein, (rather than fish oils), as the best combination in her successful anti-cancer protocol. ... ... Seems to me though, you have an anti-vegetarian/ ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds25 by RyanD 3 year 2,607

You seem insecure in your choices ,if not you wouldn’t feel the need to bash others to prop yourself up! Animal based Omega 3s chrisb1 you cant duplicate them from some weed! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds26 by chrisb1 3 year 2,567

RyanD, ... your comments are becoming more and more puerile and not worthy of further discussion, so I shall not waste my time further, except to comment on this statement of your own............. ... ... ”You seem insecure in your choices ,if not you wouldn’t feel the need to bash others to prop yourself up! Animal based Omega 3s chrisb1 you cant duplicate them from some weed”! ... ... Your first sentence is both ridiculous and nonsensical, but the the latter.......... ... ... Where do you suppose animals such as cattle, which are herbivores, receive their omega 3’s?...........from the plant-kingdom of cou ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds27 by Maniek 3 year 2,619

And if that linseed oil is alpha-linolenic acid (n-3). I hope that is not purchased low-linolenic lol The predominance of O6 ... ... Servus Mariusz ;) [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds28 by johng 3 year 2,581

most of the studies you post are correlational studies, basically worthless to anyone who knows how to read them. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds29 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,577

Haven’t we had this discussion again and again already? Vitamin D3, Trevor Marshall, Amy Proal, the Marshall agenda and protocol . . . . ... [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds30 by johng 3 year 2,577

you fogot the dozens of pubmed studies I posted... not done by Trevor Marshall. And about Marshall, clearly his protocol is not very enlightened... but I give him credit for catching the vit d scam... ... ... ”1,25-Dihydroxyvitamin D3 [1,25-(OH)2-D3] is known to be an immunosuppressive hormone. This review primarily deals with in vitro and in vivo effects of 1,25-(OH)2-D3 and analogue, 1,25-dihydroxy-16ene-vitamin D3 [1,25-(OH)2-16ene-D3], on T helper subsets type 1 (Th1) or type 2 (Th2) that have distinctive functional characteristics in humans. Th1 secrete interferon (IFN-), interleukin (IL- ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds31 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,628

As I said, we have had this discussion before. The so-called vitamin D scam that Marshall heavily publicizes just happens to be essential to the promotion of his protocol and his financial interests. ... ... It is misleading to call Vitamin D3 immuno-suppressive when it is actually immuno-modulatory. Vitamin D3 is a natural substance and the vast majority of studies indicate that supplementation can be beneficial for the vast majority of people. Studies also indicate that the majority of people are deficient in Vitamin D3. They also indicate that the very ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds32 by chrisb1 3 year 2,699

John, ... the conclusion of the study you have just posted states............. ... ”These actions of the vitamin D3 compounds suggest that it may have potential therapeutic applications in Th1-mediated clinical situations such as autoimmunity and transplantation”. ... ... What I would dearly like to know is why you have such a basic lack of understanding in interpreting these conclusions. ... D3 IS Immunosuppressive, but only in the CONTEXT of preventing the body from OVER-REACTING as in Autoimmune diseases and transplantation. ... The words used are ”THERAPEUTIC APPLICATIONS” of D3. ... ... In other words, D3 ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds33 by johng 3 year 2,570

when big pharma starts talking about ”theraputic benefits” smart people run as fast as they can. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds34 by chrisb1 3 year 2,605

John, ... so you will post the link to a study that supports or seems to support your argument, and then in the next breath denounce it by stating........................ ... ... ”when big pharma starts talking about ”therapeutic benefits” smart people run as fast as they can”. ... ... John, you can’t have your cake and eat it as well. Either you support its conclusions or you do not. ... Nit-picking, and twisting the conclusions of the study to suit your argument invalidates your argument for that reason. ... ... Chrisb1. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds35 by johng 3 year 2,546

that is exactly my point. glad you finally caught it. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds36 by chrisb1 3 year 2,656

John, ... and my point is that your own point doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. ... ... Let’s try and clarify this: do you actually mean immunosuppressive to the point where the Immune system is operating optimally? or Immunosuppressive to the point of being ”totally Immunosuppressive”, and leaving the body with no Immune system whatsoever? ... ... If it is the former then I agree with you, but if the latter, then I’m afraid you are very much mistaken. ... ... Chrisb1. [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds37 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,648

why not take the high ground and stick with the positive studies about your beliefs and stop bashing what other people believe in. It doesn’t suit you. ... ... That is good advice for all of us to take, including those who are bashing Chris, who I consider to be one of the better members of this website. I may not always completely agree with Chris, but I certainly appreciate all of the great information and advice he has posted regarding fasting, Vitamin D3 and yes, the value of consuming plenty of healthy vegetables. I happen to know Chris rather well, and I can tell you right no ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds38 by RyanD 3 year 2,640

Yes your little clan of friends is well known DQ but if chrisb1 cant take the heat he shouldn’t go around bashing others.He’s a big boy! [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds39 by chrisb1 3 year 2,581

RyanD, ... your sarcasm and belittlement of both DQ and I is unwarranted, and reveals a lack of maturity in discussing/debating this subject. ... Your use of the words ”bashing others” is indicative of this. ... It seems you also are unable to make the intellectual distinction between ”bashing others” and ”the reporting of a contemporary study”. ... ... ”Yes your little clan of friends is well known DQ but if chrisb1 cant take the heat he shouldn’t go around bashing others.He’s a big boy”! ... ... I am able to hold my own in any argument/discussion, but very much welcome DQ’s & InCharge’s intervention, as ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds40 by RyanD 3 year 2,677

lol!You people are perverse ,you started it now you get your panties all in a ruffle! Maybe keep your obsession with the fear of meat to yourself and your panties won’t get too ruffled ! Are you and Tony’s moms gonna show up soon? [End]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds41 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,600

If one backtracks up this thread, the ones who started the bashing here is quite clear - and it wasn’t Chris. Whether friends or not, bashing is uncalled for and is usually the last resort of someone who lacks the knowledge or ability to defend their position civilly and logically. ... ... What is wrong with the idea of having a discussion where people state their views and post supporting information in just a couple of posts or so without arguing ad infinitum and degenerating into baiting and bashing? At the end of the day, those who do so and hold themselves above ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds42 by RyanD 3 year 2,748

The bashing and lies start with the subject title condescending and patronizing , so if you cant stand a little of the same that’s not my problem! Is mom gonna be here soon! lol! [End]
- Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds43 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,689
  
  Is mom gonna be here soon! ... ... If she were, she might give you a deserved time-out for not playing well with others. ... ... [End]
  - Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds44 by RyanD 3 year 2,583
    
    If it was my mom she’d tell you boys to toughen up a little and stop acting like little girls! [End]

The real health problems with meat45 by Dquixote1217 3 year 2,811

As you know, I think that consumption of at least some meats is healthy and natural. However, there are problems with meat besides the ones attributed in the popular studies that people quote (studies which we have established include unhealthy people and unhealthy processed meats, and hormone and antibiotic laced meats) as well as the moral problems from the inhumane practices in the meat industry. Foremost of those problems are toxins, which tend to accumulate in animal fats. Two of the most dangerous and most prevalent ones are dioxins and glyp ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Meat-lovers may pack on the pounds46 by bellaismad 31 mon 2,576

and vegetarianism/veganism looks like it can make you anorexic looking or emaciated over time ... ... ... i do eat meat...not excessively...but im at a healthy weight. maybe its b/c those overweight are eating the fried, greasy, hormone laden take out? [End]

I want to be Moderator of Raw Omnivore forum

by goodsamaritan55 3 year 1,827

I want to be Moderator of Raw Omnivore Forum ... ... I believe raw omnivore forum should be the best and most popular forum on Curezone. ... ... Raw Omnivore will bring abundant NUTRITION, vibrant health, strength and beauty to its practitioners. Raw omnivore will pickup after the detoxing of veganism. ... ... How does one become moderator of a curezone forum? ... ... How much is a moderator paid? ... ... Is there a link to an FAQ on applicants to be moderator? ... [End]

Re: I want to be Moderator of Raw Omnivore forum by Dquixote1217 3 year 1,699

The first step to becoming a moderator would be to post your request in the Webmaster Support forum. ... ... Now, about that "pay". The only pay we get is the reward of helping others educate instead of medicate and hoperfully pointing them towards healing and better health. In other words, being a "good samaritan". ... ... Good luck! ... [End]

Re: I want to be Moderator of Raw Omnivore forum by goodsamaritan55 3 year 1,974

Thanks Don Quixote! ... ... I’ve read your websites and I read your forum, more power to you! ... ... [End]

Michael Pollan to Oprah: Food Is Alive and Should Die

R by LCD 3 year 3,133 News / Diet & Nut / F.Y.I. / 4 / 5 / 6

Michael Pollan to Oprah: Food Is Alive and Should Die ... ... Do you know where your food really comes from? ... ... ... Do you know where your food really comes from? Food guru and best-selling author Michael Pollan helps clear up the confusion. ... ... Michael Pollan has written a number of bestsellers, including the brilliant The Botany of Desire, and he was No. 6 on Newsweek magazine’s list of New Thought Leaders. But you wanna bet his appearance on Oprah this week probably did more for his cause than anything he’s put in print? ... ... OK, I”m exaggerating, but Pollan’s day-time talk show appearance deliv ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Michael Pollan to Oprah: Food Is Alive and Should Die by uchihaMadara 3 year 2,771

Food should die. If little critters that eventually create mold on food don’t want it, then your body doesn’t want it either. ... ... Oversimplification, no? ... ... There are more scientific reasons, but it only makes sense to eat nature’s foods that will eventually rot. [End]

AIDS truth exposed: Un-cut exclusive footage from House of Numbers

by LCD 4 year 3,886 News / AIDS Suppo / AIDS Consp / 4 / 5 / 6

AIDS truth exposed: Un-cut exclusive footage from House of Numbers ... ... ... ... Shocking un-cut footage from Brent Leung’s documentary ”House of Numbers” reveals truth about AIDS as told by Dr. Luc Montagnier. AIDS can be reversed. Nutrition is the answer. Hear it straight from the co-discoverer of HIV. Posted by NaturalNews.com ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: AIDS truth exposed: Un-cut exclusive footage from House of Numbers by lightstream 4 year 3,418

Did he not say that African women need to work on their genital hygiene? ... WTF? [End]

Re: AIDS truth exposed: Un-cut exclusive footage from House of Numbers by #126236 31 mon 1,959

thats BS aids is a virus and attacks your immune system and can kill you. wouldnt this be propagated all over the world and wipe out AIDS for good? ... ... ... im sure 99% he’s another quack selling supplements and crap for a sky high price [End]

Re: AIDS truth exposed: Un-cut exclusive footage from House of Numbers by Hveragerthi 31 mon 2,604

hats BS aids is a virus and attacks your immune system and can kill you. ... ... AIDS is not a virus, it is a syndrome ( Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). ... ... HIV is a virus that can only be claimed to cause AIDS because they changed the definition of AIDS to fit the virus back in the 1980s. Under the original definition of AIDS though HIV could not cause AIDS. The only virus capable of causing AIDS under the original definition is human herpes virus type 6 variant A. ... ... As a syndrome though AIDS has more than one cause, including some of the anti-retroviral dru ... [retrieve this message]

Looking for hot chocolate recipe homemade by fuggles 4 year 1,188

Hello, my question is, If I take raw cacao nibs, add them to boiling water, will this create hot chocolate with the right consistency. ... ... Currently I am using a Lindt 90% bar, melting them in hot water, adding some of my own ingredients and drinking that, and that creates a perfect consistency. This is what I am looking for. ... ... However, I need to know whether I could get this consistency with raw cacao nibs ? ... ... And if anyone has any at home, do a test for me, add them to boiling water from a kettle, and If they melt, tell me, and if the water tastes like hot chocolate, tell me also . ... [retrieve this message]

Quacks, a must see video! by LCD 4 year 2,927 Ask CureZone / F.Y.I. / Just for f / 4 / 5 / 6

Hilarious sketch from the fifth episode of series three of ’That Mitchell and Webb Look.’ ... ... ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SavsJYXWgm8 ... ... [End]
- Re: Quacks, a must see video! by Dquixote1217 4 year 2,236
  
  LOLOLOL! ... ... “Orthodox medicine has not found an answer to your complaint. However, lucky for you, I happen to be a quack.” ... - Richter cartoon caption ... [End]
  - Re: Quacks, a must see video! by spudlydoo 4 year 2,321
    
    lol, that was really funny, thanks ... ... spud [End]

Issue 194: How the Food Industry is Deceiving You

by Webmaster 4 year 5,236 Newsletter / Diet & Nut / Diet Discu / 4 / 5 / 6

... Educating Instead of Medicating Issue 194: ... ... How the Food Industry is Deceiving You ... ... ... ... 53,906 subscribers ... Subscribe here ... ... Newsletter Archive: ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/s.asp?f=83&ob=d&c=1 ... ... ... You can forward and re-distribute all CureZone newsletters freely! ... ... ... ... ... ... Monsanto & Cancer ... Milk: Fox News Kills Story & Fires Reporters ... ... FOX NEWS Reporters (Reporters Steve Wilson & Jane Akre) uncovered the fact ... that most of the Milk in the USA and across some parts of the world is unfit ... to drink due to Monsanto Corporation’s POSILAC®, whi ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Issue 194: How the Food Industry is Deceiving You by celia195 3 year 3,497

We should pay more attention to what we enjoy everyday! [End]

Bride-to-be died after losing 3st in 11 weeks on crash diet... eating ju...

by LCD 4 year 4,586 News / Weight Los / Fasting: W / 4 / 5 / 6

Bride-to-be died after losing 3st in 11 weeks on crash diet... eating just 530 calories a day ... ... ... ... ... ... By Chris Brooke ... Last updated at 12:54 AM on 10th September 2009 ... ... ... ... ... ... Comments ( 104) ... ... ... An obese woman died after losing more than three stone on a crash diet to get in shape for her wedding. ... ... ... ... Samantha Clowe, 34, collapsed at home from heart failure after following the strict low calorie LighterLife diet for 11 weeks. ... ... She weighed 17 stone 6 lbs when she started the diet and was determined to see it through so she was not a ’fat bride.’ ... ... ... A ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Bride-to-be died after losing 3st in 11 weeks on crash diet... eatin... R by chrisb1 4 year 3,645

The full circumstances surrounding this tragic death may never be known, but a low-calorie diet is hardly to blame. ... ... Thousands of people have followed a low-calorie or restricted-calorie diet with no ill effect, but only benefit and increased longevity: Luigi Cornaro being a case in point. ... ... Personally, the ”conduct” of the dieter while on this diet, may have played a significant role in her demise. ... ... It is a mistaken view, held by the retired obesity and nutrition Professor, in blaming this ladies death on her rapid weightloss as being ”too fast”, and that her heart ”wasted away” beca ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Bride-to-be died after losing 3st in 11 weeks on crash diet... eatin... by trapper/kcmo 4 year 3,267

hey, chris! ... ... there does seem to be a lot of nonsense being foisted upon us here. ... ... the first thing i noticed is that she looks bombed in her pictures. people dont usually tell their doctor or boss about substance abuse. she looks like a partier. ... ... second, obesity is already a sign of malnutrition. there also is no word on her hydration status. there are two more strikes against her. ... ... she also looks like a candidate for low thyroid function which means lack of iodine which means low metabolism, another possible contributor to her weight management problems. ... ... lastly, no mention o ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Bride-to-be died after losing 3st in 11 weeks on crash diet... eatin... by grzbear 4 year 3,099

yes, all of that; substance abuse and medication can and does cause nutritional deficiencies... and... ... ... ”the last thing that caused her problem was decreased caloric intake, if at all. got to scare the people into continuing their unencumbered consumption.” ”the last thing that caused her problem was decreased caloric intake, if at all. got to scare the people into continuing their unencumbered consumption.” the last thing that caused her problem was decreased caloric intake, if at all. got to scare the people into continuing their unencumbered consumption.” ... ... Her diet was extreme, HO ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Bride-to-be died after losing 3st in 11 weeks on crash diet... eatin... by chrisb1 4 year 3,010

Hi Trapper, ... I agree with both you and Grz. ... ... As I mentioned previously, we may never know the full circumstances surrounding this untimely death, and where substance-abuse or even prescribed medication leading to nutritional deficiencies contributed to it. ... ... Yes and yes again, obesity is most definitely a sign of malnutrition (wrong types of food or ”foodless” foods) leading to obesity, and her hydration status may also have contributed. ... ... Low thyroid function is speculative but probably correct in that assumption, and therefore low-metabolism contributing to her weight issues. CR also ... [retrieve this message]

And let us not forget the possibility of...Re: Bride-to-be died after lo... by unyquity 4 year 3,015

...Aspartame/Nutrasweet! ... ... It’s VERY likely she consumed all kinds of it while low-calorie dieting (I know of very few people that don’t). ... ... Google search ”aspartame + heart” http://tinyurl.com/ls8zqz ... (for those that aren’t already aware of the substantial & negative impact of aspartame on the heart). ... ... Unyquity [End]

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