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- Is this product any good?
by CGally81
68 h
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I was recommended this on a candida forum. It’s called Natural Detox Factors (NDF) by some company called Bioray. ... ... According to their site - http://www.bioray.com/ndf/ - it contains ”Certified organic, raw, whole, pure, and micronized: chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlor™ probiotics, and 20% grain neutral spirits as a preservative.” ... ... So it has chlorella and cilantro, which some people swear by, and it has probiotics (though it doesn’t mention more than that), and apparently not much else. ... ... They recommend taking it twice a day. Now, from what I hear, chlorella and cilantro are supposed to b ...
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- Re: Is this product any good?
by joegrane
62 h
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Some people have really nasty reactions to cilantro. It seems to move mercury like ALA. This is an example of reports I’ve heard in the yahoo groups. Check out the second to the last paragraph. ... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/52916 ... Thankfully he is slowly regaining his health. ... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/64260 ... ... Cutler and Dr Dan Pompa discuss chlorella about a third of the way through this audio interview. ... http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/ ... ... Have you ever tried DMPS? It sounds like a bet ...
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- Re: Is this product any good?
by red424
61 h
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I really reccomend ALA. DMSA and DMPS are really optional. ... ... 12 rounds with no more than 1-2 days off a week and I have made some amazing gains. [End]
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- Re: Is this product any good?
by joegrane
45 h
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Red, I agree with you about ALA but I think CGally was a little to aggressive with DMSA dosing while he had some gut problems. I don’t know if he was getting optimal levels of supporting supplements. He certainly is not alone in his reaction to DMSA. Thankfully I’ve done just fine with it over the past nearly 3 yrs. ... ... Some folks who get into that situation do well on a little DMPS for a while and then can later add ALA to the DMPS. ... ... A close female friend whose gut is not as nearly as problematic as CGally’s can tolerate an occasional round with DMSA, but can get a recurrance of a b ...
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- Re: Is this product any good?
by red424
45 h
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I’m using DMPS and ALA right now. DMSA gave me bad yeast flares so I stopped for a bit. I plan on using up the DMSA after my DMPS is gone if the yeast is better. ... ... The DMSA symptoms sound like they could be really bad yeast. Maybe a hidden infection or something since DMSA kills the immune system while its being taken. Or it could be a reaction to the actual DMSA. I don’t know. ... ... But yeah everyone is different I agree. Just find something that works for you and do that. [End]
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- Can I drink ozonated water while taking DMSA?
by bjornbjorn
4 days
38
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Just wondering if it is alright to drink ozonated water while chelating with DMSA? [End]
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- Sunflower lecithin
by CGally81
6 days
46
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I’d heard people say good things about lecithin - which I assume is often soy lecithin - and how it helps with chelation of the brain, and helps memory. ... ... I’m willing to try it... but not with soy. Soy lecithin actually is in some foods I eat, and I have no adverse reactions to it the way I do with soy protein, but I’m still leery of consuming a full tablespoon of the stuff just in case. ... ... What do you guys think of sunflower lecithin as a substitute? Do you think it should work as well, and be safe? I am thinking of trying it. [End]
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- Re: Sunflower lecithin
by joegrane
6 days
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Some FDC group members use it. ... ... I’m okay on soy lecithin but my food sensitivities are in other areas. [End]
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by severasss
7 days
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- If all the side effects of DMSA hit me (nausea, vomiting, appetite loss)...
by CGally81
10 days
70
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I didn’t have side effects while on round, and ALA didn’t do any of these things for me. But I took DMSA for two rounds - one last weekend, and one three weekends ago. I went 25mg every 4 hours for 3 days in a row. ... ... Last week I got sick for two days, feeling sick to my stomach and having no appetite. This morning, I vomited, have low appetite, and currently I have a chill. ... ... I plan to stop DMSA altogether. I’ll wait at least a month or so, and then try ALA again. My health had improved so much in the past few years that I’d really hate to make a big mistake and screw this up. ... ... Anyone ...
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- Re: If all the side effects of DMSA hit me (nausea, vomiting, appetite l...
by joegrane
10 days
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DMSA can be tough on the immune system. Some don’t tolerate it well. Also the 25mg dose is not small for the first round. Many get gains while using 12mg DMSA. Remember in the Cutler protocol, ALA is the primary chelator. DMSA is optional except for lead. ... ... I’ve been using an average of 16mg per dose for nearly three years. While that is an unusually low average dose, I have gotten very nice gains. However I know not to use it when I feel I am fighting a cold. ... ... Cutler in his writings has tips for supporting the immune system while using DMSA. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: If all the side effects of DMSA hit me (nausea, vomiting, appetite l...
by CGally81
10 days
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Yeah, I don’t like what it’s done to me. I haven’t gotten sick (as in, from illness as opposed to having health problems) in forever, now suddenly I get a stomach virus followed by another a week later. ... ... What can I do to rebuild my immune system? Currently, trying to eat anything solid makes me feel like I might throw up, and that includes trying to eat vitamin C. [End]
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- Re: If all the side effects of DMSA hit me (nausea, vomiting, appetite l...
by alv
9 days
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Nausea and vomiting could be FL1953 ( FRY BUG) or babesia. ... ... Read ( search ) FRY -FL1953 and Babesia at personalconsult.com ... http://www.personalconsultcart.com/index.cfm?Action=ViewCategory&Category=5 ... ... If you try to chelate or do liver flushes you are activating the dormant state of this infections.You need a MD or LLMD to give you antibiotics /herbs to kill the infections that are activating. [End]
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- How long does being sick from DMSA take to wear off?
by CGally81
8 days
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Ack, it’s been two days on my second illness, and on this third day, my forehead feels warm and I still have a reduced appetite. I’m really pissed off at what DMSA did to me. Not saying it’s useless or that it doesn’t help other people, but I apparently don’t tolerate it well, so I tossed it out. But still, I’ve been off round for almost a week and I’m still sick. ... ... How long do you think it’ll be before I’m back to normal and can eat normally again? I got chills this morning on my arms while eating breakfast, and I’m feeling warm now. I really hate this. [End]
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- Re: How long does being sick from DMSA take to wear off?
by joegrane
8 days
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I’m not so sure you made the right decision to discard the DMSA. As I think I wrote previously, when I am fighting a cold, I have to stay away from DMSA. However it plus ALA have been wonderful for many of my symptoms over my nearly 3 yrs of chelation. ... ... You may be right that DMSA is not going to work for you, at least not at this time. You might be better off using DMPS + LA for a while. Some people, including a close female friend, do okay with a round of DMSA once per month or so. Some add it after many months of other chelators. ... ... HMs cause or contribute to so many different ...
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- Re: How long does being sick from DMSA take to wear off?
by CGally81
7 days
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I may buy it again off Amazon like I did before. But right now, I am staying off that stuff. It really did not sit well with me. I mean, it’s three days now after my second stomach virus, and I STILL feel like I have a weak stomach. I’m well enough to work, and I don’t want to take another sick day (I was vomiting on Friday), but even with the immune booster I’m taking now and the aloe vera I drank yesterday to help my stomach, I’m still sick. I’m really disgusted with this condition. ... ... I may retry DMSA... many months from now. I’m more likely to retry ALA, but only after I’ve gone severa ...
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- Re: How long does being sick from DMSA take to wear off?
by joegrane
7 days
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Yes, I take a week off after recovering from any cold before resuming the use of DMSA. Then I use a lower dose on my first round after the cold. [End]
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- Re: How long does being sick from DMSA take to wear off?
by CGally81
3 days
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It’s been nearly a full 2 weeks since my last round. I still feel sick to my stomach. It’s not debilitating like it was, say, a full week ago when I was vomiting, but I still feel it, I can feel the vomit in my throat to an extent; basically, I’m really pissed off at what DMSA (well, my reaction to it) has done to me. ... ... I took several grams of vitamin C a day every day to try to help my immune system, I took an immune booster, and I took aloe to try to help my stomach. I even stopped drinking alkaline water and switched to normal water. And I’m still not back to normal. ... ... Do you have any ...
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- Re: How long does being sick from DMSA take to wear off?
by joegrane
69 h
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My close female friend and I have not experienced that. What you are describing is rarely reported in the chelation groups. However, you might post about it in the yahoo FDC group where the shear number of members might give you a chance to find someone who experienced something similar. ... ... Joe [End]
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- DMSA two rounds so far - stomach bug & depression after 1st, feeling lik...
by CGally81
11 days
82
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Well, I didn’t experience any noticeable major side effects while on round with DMSA, nothing really nasty or weird, not even candida flare-ups. I didn’t increase my dose or anything, I just stuck with what I was doing, figuring it was fine. Every 4 hours. ... ... Well, when I was off round was when things happened. I got depression, broke down in tears at one point and ended up with a stomach bug that lasted the next two days. Eventually things cleared up, and I went to my second round. ... ... Second round, everything was fine on round. Today, though, I’ve been feeling slightly ill, like I might v ...
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- Re: DMSA two rounds so far - stomach bug & depression after 1st, feeling...
by samh69
11 days
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Well what is the reason people take DMSA? If someone has yet to do a hair test it is dangerous to start taking things like that randomly. Yes Cutler is a biochemist but he has no responsibility to people (ie a doctor is responsible for their patients and follows up with them) so has no commitment to follow up with people. Find a good doc who is interested in autistic kids and helping them so one can be under the care of someone. [End]
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- Depression on DMSA
by CGally81
14 days
114
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Okay, while I’m not experiencing any nasty phsyical side effects from DMSA chelation, I have been experiencing some pretty bad depression. It’s somewhat come and go, but still not pleasant. ... ... What can be done to prevent or reduce the depression? I saw one person say that taking vitamin C can reduce DMSA side effects. If so, how and how much do I take? Or should I just reduce the dose of DMSA? [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by red424
14 days
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take the supplements reccomended in the frequent dose chelation forum. they makea huge difference [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by CGally81
14 days
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I currently take the following: ... ... B-complex ... Kelp (contains iodine) ... Magnesium ... Milk thistle ... Liver support complex ... Niacin (the flushing kind) ... Selenium ... Fish oil ... ... Aren’t these supposed to help? What am I missing? (Note: Yahoo Groups is blocked here at work) [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by joegrane
14 days
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What type(s) of depression? ... ... Sad, cry, sleepless? ... ... Hopeless, helpless? ... ... Can’t get your butt unglued from the sofa? ... ... Don’t forget to take enough Mg and Bs. ... ... Consider if you need more thyroid support, possibly including Se. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by CGally81
14 days
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I broke out in tears last week while eating dinner (although I ended up with a major stomach virus that lasted two days, so there’s probably a relationship there). Other than that, just hopeless/helpless. ... ... I do take magnesium (in addition to brushing my teeth with magnesium oil, which undoubtedly results in me swallowing some), and I take a B-complex every day, along with flushing niacin (vitamin B3 in its most potent form). There’s 200mcg of selenium in my whole food-based multivitamin, and I take a 200mcg tab separately. [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by joegrane
14 days
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Think about possible low thyroid. ... ... If you have many food or chemical sensitivities, you might want to go with niacinimide vs regular niacin--cf Cutler’s AI book around p 40. ... ... Cutler thinks we should take generous amounts of Mg daily. Some seem to need more while on round. It is involved in making serotonin. ... ... [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by CGally81
13 days
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How come it would be caused by low thyroid? ... ... Anyway, I take kelp every day (too much iodine gives me weight gain, which is frustrating). How much magnesium is a generous amount? [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by joegrane
13 days
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I didn’t write ”would”. It could be involved. Look it up. Look for a cluster of low thyroid symptoms, maybe that respond to some selenium and a little iodine. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Depression on DMSA
by alv
11 days
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Please check : ... ... http://www.personalconsultcart.com/webdocs/Items/Details25.cfm ... ... Please check inside if you activated bartonella that is one of the most common infections that gets activate. ... ... There are many infections that will be activated.Bartonella , neurolyme , babesia , ricketsia , parasites etc.You need to treat them in order .Start with parasite first and liver flushes.But be careful as you want to chelate but you will get worst if you have any of the tick borne illneses in your system. ... ... As you use ALA you are activating infections that are present in the brain.They will be r ...
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- Second round of DMSA
by CGally81
14 days
53
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I’d heard of people who have horror stories to tell regarding DMSA, so I wasn’t sure what to expect going in. But, paying attention to how I feel, I think I’m doing fairly well. ... ... I’m taking about 25mg DMSA every 4 hours for 3 days in a row (including at night), with 11 days off inbetween rounds. This is the third day of my second round (I start on Saturdays and end on Mondays). ... ... My first round went generally well. No flare-ups of candida that I could tell, but I did get a stomach virus last week somehow. That might be a coincidence, as said virus had been going around. Emotionally, the ...
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- Re: Second round of DMSA
by joegrane
14 days
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Sounds okay so far. ... ... I take an extra week off when I am fighting a cold. Before i started to do that I’d get a relapse on the first day of my round. DMSA has a negative effect on the immune system. This is generally not a problem in people who don’t have a terrible immune system to start with. Cutler also provides tips for immune support. ... ... ALA is the primary chelator for Cutler; however, he encourages people to use DMSA or DMPS along with it. They reduce the sfx of ALA for many people and supposedly increase excretion. More could be said. ... ... Good luck. ... ... Joe
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- Re: Second round of DMSA
by CGally81
13 days
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Last year, I went for 8 months worth of rounds of ALA. I stopped due to side effects that were piling up (perhaps I was too aggressive), and started gradually changing my lifestyle in other ways, such as the addition of apple cider vinegar to my daily routine (it’s said to help with liver, kidneys and adrenals), along with alkaline water. ... ... I’m thinking I may reduce my DMSA dosage. [End]
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- On hydrocortisone for Addison's disease, can I do Culters protocol
by Marie64
22 days
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HI guys I have been doing Nutritional Balancing for almost two years now. I have gotten rid of a good amount of aluminum. I no longer lose my sodium for the past 4-5 months since getting the aluminum out. I have been diganosed with Addison’s disease and low aldesterone in 2009. ... ... The sodium loss played a big part of my illness and hospital stays until I was put on Fludrocortisone. I have been off since startgin NB and using a good Sea salt. ... ... I wanted to know what your opinion is on doing Andy Culter’s protocol while I am on a low dose of Hydrocortisone to support life. Is this pro ...
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- Re: On hydrocortisone for Addison's disease, can I do Culters protocol
by joegrane
20 days
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You might want to speak to a couple of people in the Yahoo groups about their somewhat similar experience. ... ... BradMcB was on 25 or 30mg HC but after a year or two of Cutler chelation plus supplements he was able to reduce the dose somewhat, maybe to 20mg. ... ... I think LindaJayTee was also on 20+ mg of HC and has chelated for more than several years. She had MS, very painful back problems and was near death at one point. She is doing much better, lost her MS diag, etc. ... ... Both are members of Frequent Dose Chelation at Yahoo; however, it will be easier to find Brad’s brother Brian on FDC ...
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- Chlorella and Oil pulling on A. Cutler Protocol, Can I take and do these?
by bjornbjorn
23 days
130
Chelation: Cutler
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I have had great success with chlorella power and oil pulling in the past. Can I do these 2 things while on the andy cutler protocol? ... ... I have noticed since stopping chlorella and oil pulling I have had hair loss, from Seb Dermatitis on my scalp. I am losing hair and need it to stop. [End]
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- Re: Chlorella and Oil pulling on A. Cutler Protocol, Can I take and do t...
by joegrane
20 days
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Get thyroid checked ... ... Consider selenium ... ... dont skimp on vitamin c and other antioxidants while chelating! ... ... Cutler seems to think chlorella is mostly a scam. He discusses it around the center of this interview. ... http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/ ... ... Beware of kicking up heavy metals in an unsafe manner! [End]
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- Hair Loss
by ChelatinCanary
25 days
204
Chelation: Cutler
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Has anyone else experienced significant hair loss while chelating? ... ... I have lost about 50% of my hair volume, 38 rounds in, and I continue to shed large amounts with every wash. It has become extremely thin, especially on the sides. ... ... I have been trying to figure out if this is thyroid related, a nutritional deficiency, or some sort of chem trail or result of overall liver detox. ... ... I haven’t been having much luck with thyroid support, and am wondering if there’s something I could supplement to stop the hair loss... Or, if it’s just a part of the process, and will eventually taper ...
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- Re: Hair Loss
by joegrane
25 days
174
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It is not commonly reported but there are some reports of it, including from women. ... ... Have you had Free T3 tested? [End]
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- Re: Hair Loss
by ChelatinCanary
25 days
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I haven’t had labs done, but I’ve suspected T4 conversion issues/low T3. I’ve posted previously regarding thyroid support, as I’ve been trying to find something I can tolerate while chelating. ... ... I’ve had considerable fluid and weight gain since beginning chelation, along with the hair loss. I haven’t been able to tolerate T3 only meds (synthetic), I’m not getting much result from dessicated thyroid, and iodine put me through the ringer. ... ... I’m taking your advice with the selenium; it just arrived and I’m going to increase my daily intake and see if that helps some. ... ... I’m also wonde ...
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- Re: Hair Loss
by joegrane
24 days
160
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It is rather commonly thought that we are wise to treat adrenals before thyroid. Maybe you need both and are increasing thyroid too much with a weak adrenal and related systems. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Dump Phase
by ChelatinCanary
25 days
158
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I am approaching 40 rounds (or about 10 months) of chelation, and just wondering whether or not I’m going to encounter another dump phase. ... ... It has been 6 years since I had any amalgam in my mouth, and what I have considered to be the dump phase thus far is the intense fatigue and the onset of all my symptoms, 7 months after my amalgam filling fell out. ... ... It has taken me years since that happened to figure out it was mercury poisoning from the filling, thus beginning chelation just last summer. ... ... Am I going to experience another dump phase while chelating? And what is the diffe ...
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- Re: Dump Phase
by red424
25 days
196
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Stall phase is probably a period where you don’t really feel better. Like hitting a plateau. ... ... Dump phase I think only happens once, though I know its in his book. ... ... Either way. Keep chelating lol. [End]
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- Re: Dump Phase
by joegrane
24 days
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In more recent years Andy more commonly uses ”stall”. He uses the word ”dump” in Amalgam Illness in the diagram around p 52. The word stuck and so you’ll hear ”dump phase” in the groups. ... ... It is strange how common it is for people to report some early gains and then bumps in the road for 4 months or more. ... ... By around the 1 yr mark things usually have settled down; however there are variables, including the situation where people become too aggressive with doses and get an increase in adrenal fatigue or something. ... ... Joe [End]
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- How to take ALA + recommended brand
by FranzFan
30 days
149
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Hi All, ... ... I have recently started chelation with c. 15mg of ALA every 3 hours. I have noticed some symptoms as a result of this (mainly increased fatigue), so I think it is having the desired effect. ... ... As I am taking very small doses of ALA, I could not find a product that had separate caps with a small enough dose, so at the moment I am splitting up the powder contained within a 50mg tablet into 3-4 parts and taking as separate doses. I wanted to check if the ALA should first be dissolved in water, or if it can simply be swallowed as a powder and then washed down with some water? ... ... Als ...
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- Re: How to take ALA + recommended brand
by joegrane
30 days
159
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You’ll find 25mg caps. ... Most divide the caps. ... You’ll find empty #1 sized caps that will work ... ... ALA shouldn’t be expected to dissolve in water very well so I’d avoid that option. ... ... The folks who post our hair tests--LivingNetworks also have low dose caps. [End]
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- Re: How to take ALA + recommended brand
by ChelatinCanary
29 days
114
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Joe, do you think cheaper brands of ALA are as effective as the higher priced, more quality ones? ... ... I’ve found that I can tolerate Natrol ALA (only about $5 a bottle, for 100 capsules), because Living Supplements doesn’t make a 100 mg capsule, but I worry that it may not be as effective... [End]
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- Re: How to take ALA + recommended brand
by joegrane
28 days
128
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I don’t know. I do know that Cutler suggests that we use the inexpensive Alpha Lipoic Acid for chelation. The R- form might have benefits for other purposes but he does not recommend it for our purpose. [End]
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- Re: How to take ALA + recommended brand
by FranzFan
22 days
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Thanks Joe. Out of interest, how do you take ALA if not in water? [End]
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- Re: How to take ALA + recommended brand
by joegrane
22 days
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I mixed it in water with DMSA and ascorbic acid for roughly my first year; however it is not the recommended method. While it works, it is typically only recommended for autistic kids who cannot swallow pills. ... ... Most people purchase empty caps and divide up 25 or 50mg caps of ALA. There are links to youtube videos of this in the Links section of Yahoo’s frequent dose chelation group. ... ... everythingspectrum.com has 5mg caps for autistic kids and really sick adults--those with poorly treated psych symptoms, terrible MCS, etc. ... ... Some of us make up our own capsule combinations. It takes ...
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- Need a copper blocking shower filter
by overtheedge
34 days
171
Adrenal Fatigue
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Does anyone have a shower filter worth recommending? ... I suspect that my current one isn’t as effective as I had hoped at blocking copper; if this hunch turns out to be true it could mean an end to my chronic illness so help is much appreciated [End]
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- Re: Need a copper blocking shower filter
by Faith110
32 days
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Which filter do you have? I have a sprite high output, plus a sprite showerhead. I figure double filtration will ensure that the water is totally clean. [End]
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- Re: Need a copper blocking shower filter
by overtheedge
32 days
133
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It has been over a year since I bought the last filter so I couldn’t tell you what type it is, all the more reason to buy a new one huh? ... ... Have you seen any improvements since installing the filters, some reason to believe that it is doing what it is supposed to ... ... [End]
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- Re: Need a copper blocking shower filter
by Faith110
31 days
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I definitely notice a difference in my skin (much less dry, and more soft), and with my hair too. My hair is so much more softer and healthier than it was pre-filter. I also notice the smell of the water...there is no smell at all where the plain tap water had a very distinct smell. So I assume it is doing its job. I never put tap water on my body anymore. I wear gloves when I was dishes in the regular faucet, and I wash and cook (if needed) all my food with the filtered water from the shower. I notice that my steamed and boiled veggies taste much better when coked with the filtered water ...
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- Re: Need a copper blocking shower filter
by overtheedge
28 days
102
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Hmm, this sprite model should remove copper according to the first review(which contains a detailed description of the product( ... http://www.amazon.com/Sprite-HO-WH-Output-Shower-Filter/dp/B0009WXRBI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366671839&sr=8-1&keywords=sprite+shower+filter ... ... what model are you using and are you using the shower head that came with it or some other model [End]
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- Re: Need a copper blocking shower filter
by Faith110
25 days
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That is the same filter I have. I also have this one: ... ... http://www.amazon.com/Sprite-S1ARS5CT-Chlorine-Removing-Adjustable/dp/B000FZ2NZK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1366929461&sr=8-3&keywords=sprite+royale+shower+filter ... ... I use them both together. Only pet peeve I have is that the combo isn’t every adjustable and gets difficult if you are tall. I’m 5’10 so I have to crouch a little to get the top of my head under the water. But it’s worth it to me to know I am getting good clean water. [End]
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- Continuous chelation?
by red424
53 days
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Hey guys, ... ... I recently had candida & a silver filling removed so I figured it would be in my best interest to chelate for at least a while. ... ... I read some posts that said you can chelate continuously. Even andy cutler said it was OK. Go until you start feeling bad symptoms or get sick/miss a dose etc and repeat. Just wondering if you guys thought this is a good idea. ... ... I started at 25 mg every 4 hours which seems to be alright for now. I was also thinking about adding ALA a little earlier than 3 months. (maybe 2?). ... ... I’m not going to even touch cilantro or other things until i’m mostly ...
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- Re: Continuous chelation?
by joegrane
52 days
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I recently had candida & a silver filling removed so I figured it would be in my best interest to chelate for at least a while. ... ... == Cutler would say you should have all amalgam our before starting. You don’t want chelator in your saliva to be pulling Hg from remaining amalgam. ... ... I read some posts that said you can chelate continuously. Even andy cutler said it was OK. Go until you start feeling bad symptoms or get sick/miss a dose etc and repeat. Just wondering if you guys thought this is a good idea. ... ... == Seems to be best to stick to 3 or so days in the beginning while finding the ri ...
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- Re: Continuous chelation?
by red424
52 days
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Yup. Today I felt a LOT better on round than I have in the past few months. I only had one amalgam filling & it was pretty big. ... ... ... Pretty sure I have a metal problem. Going to chelate until the candida becomes a problem again (if it does). Otherwise I’m going to stay on the diet/antifungals to hopefully keep it in check. ... ... I’m staying with DMSA, I might add ALA in a few more weeks. [End]
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- Looking for good water copper level test
by overtheedge
55 days
189
Adrenal Fatigue
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rather certain I am copper toxic, symptoms match up perfectly ... ... I have had three hair tests all of which came back with high levels of copper: ... ... http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/hairtest/hairtest3/ ... ... I have been taking zinc and molybdenum since the first hair test came back, the copper levels went down from 260 to 170 between the first test and the second test but when the third one came back the level was still 170 despite the supplements ... ... I suspect that my shower filter might not be copper filtering and would like to test it to see ... ... Does anyone know of a means for t ...
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by joegrane
55 days
185
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Sorry, I don’t know. ... ... You might also consider liver or gallbladder issues. ... ... [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by SeattleK
55 days
189
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You can buy little paper strips that test for copper. People use them for pools etc. If you just google ’water copper strip test’ or something you should find it. I don’t know how accurate they are, so if it were me I would by an extra to repeat the test. [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by SeattleK
55 days
186
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Umm myself, SB1108, laughingdogs (among others) are people who had lots of issues with copper btw if your looking for guidance. Long term zinc and molybendum as well as eliminating high copper foods has really helped me, it took about a year. Even today (2+ years later) if I have too much avocado, chocolate, or supplements with copper I feel it right away. [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by overtheedge
53 days
155
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The main thing I am worried about is my shower filter ... ... Do any of you have a shower filter that eliminates copper? [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by SB1108
52 days
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I’m not sure where you live but I just went to the local hardware store (Home Depot or maybe it was Lowe’s - not sure). They had a water kit that tested for metals and nitrates (among other things). So I used that to test my water. I don’t know how well those things really work but... It made me feel better about it. ... ... I also bought a water filter from Home Depot or Lowe’s but ended up returning it when I realized it didn’t fit my shower. Sorry - not much help with that. ... ... Your location health department may test your water for you. [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by SB1108
52 days
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Seattle - Speaking of having a reaction to copper supplements... My practitioner wanted me to try the limcomin again since it was recommended as a part of my last retest/protocol. ... ... Within 2 hours of taking it I was on the sofa unable to move. The pain in my legs was so severe I had trouble walking. It was like a year ago all over again. ... ... I thought the first time I took it that maybe it was a coincidence but this was definitely confirmation. ... ... I haven’t tried eating nuts or avocados but your comment definitely makes me nervous about trying them again. ... ... How much molybdenum are you ta ...
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by SeattleK
51 days
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SB - I am taking about 200 mcg of molybendum per day (however much that is?). I have taken much more without noticeable ill effects though. ... ... I have eaten a little avacado here and there and I do fine, but I definitely notice if I have it a couple of days in a row. ... ... Just stop the limcomin for good IMO, I am really convinced that both of us just cannot tolerate copper. Maybe we have minor Wilson’s or we are pylorric or something. Outside of NB there are plenty of people/practitioners that get people off of anything copper related permanently, for some reason NB does not seem to adjust fo ...
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by SB1108
50 days
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Honestly it makes me a little apprehensive to advocate a program that could make people sicker. If I had not realized that the limcomin/copper was making me sicker... I would have continued to take it and likely get worse. On the other hand... the fact the I started NB and have been able to reduce my copper toxicity has made my life immensely better. ... ... I’m not sure about my take on the program right now? [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by dave505
52 days
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Hi k ... Ive read somewhere (dont remember where this is main issue with my AF) that besides direct exposure to food or pipes the Cooper can build up in the body also because of chronic infections. ... ... That makes sense if we think that in situation of stress including ilness we use a lot of zinc. Im wondering if solving the infection and supplementing zinc will help one to remove the Cooper or a special detox will be necessary. ... ... I also have both infections and Cooper piper in our house no need to test more. Same crap feeling when eating chocolate avocado. ... ... I’d be interested if smb use shoe ...
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by overtheedge
52 days
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infections you say, I was diagnosed with chronic Epstein Barr Virus a year or two ago ... ... Unfortunately I can’t find a clue as to treating the illness ... ... I really gotta go get some more tests/retests run [End]
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by dave505
51 days
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Hi edge, ... ... I’ve also been diagnosed with EBV but also CMV. That happen after many years of unknown ilness. Besides parasites and candida and Hpilory. ... ... Im suspecting more and more that mold exposure was a big part of the problem but since im jobless i cant afford to move. Especially in winter i stayed at home and many days I was bedridden. My wife who’s able to work leave the house each day for 8-9 hours and is in a better shape than me. ... ... there are 3 main environmental causes i cant control yet: ... - mold (cant find tests or an ozone filter here but definitively is black mold)we live fir ...
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- Re: Looking for good water copper level test
by overtheedge
51 days
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I had some form of black mold growing on the ceiling of my old bathroom, I looked online and couldn’t match it up to any of the common dangerous black molds ... ... The reason I can work a job, albeit only 20-30 hours per week, is because of betain HCL and Enzymes with each meal ... ... Ever since I started taking the two my bowels have been functioning, as long as they are functioning properly I usually feel good enough ... ... Really wish I could kill this illness away [End]
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- Foods to avoid
by bjornbjorn
56 days
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I just started 20 min ago with my first dose of dmsa (12.5mg) I have Andys book and have read it but I forget where in the book it says to avoid sulfur foods. ... ... Can I have mushrooms, oatmeal, green tea, psyllium husk, flax seed, meat and poultry? ... ... Any help would be much appreciated. [End]
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- Re: Foods to avoid
by joegrane
56 days
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There is a list in the appendix of AI book. ... ... Not everyone has to avoid ”sulfur” actually (lightly bound?) thiols. He used to like the Great Smokies? plasma cysteine and sulfate test but it is no longer available. So we are stuck with an exclusion diet. There is more on this if needed. ... ... We don’t want to be feeding ”gut bugs” with junk food! ... ... We also don’t want to consume high Hg fish and seafood, for exmple tuna. ... ... There are countless other problematic foods that vary from person to person: phenols, gluten, casein, soy, alcoholic beverages, etc! There are a few sad people who ca ...
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- Autism, could it be preventable?
by mygutleaks
59 days
278
Candida Support
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NBC Nightly News, the other night had a segment about Autism and how 1 in 50 children are now being diagnosed. Having delt with a candida infection personally (from extreme use of antibiotics), and reading about heavy metal toxicity (mercury, etc.), parasites, etc., and the SAD, it seems pretty obvious to me why the #’s keep rising every year! Last time i heard it was 1 in 77, now 1 in 50! It’s because AMERICANS ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC! ... ... The GAPS book, Gut & Psychology Syndrome, as well as numerous autism forums online, detail how autistic children are suffering from at least heavy metal ...
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- Re: Autism, could it be preventable?
by GetCuredOrDieTrying
58 days
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Someone should research Dectin -1 polymorphisms in autistic and ADHD children and their mothers. It’s possible that the inflammation associated with candidiasis could cause abnormal fetal brain growth, or alternatively simply causes cognitive disability directly all by itself. ... ... If they find that to be true, the Feds may make an effort to find an actual cure for candidiasis. [End]
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- Re: Autism, could it be preventable?
by joegrane
58 days
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Thank you for the post. You make excellent points. ... ... These statistics support your thought. ... ... Autism Research Institute treatment parent ratings 2009 ... http://www.autism.com/index.php/treatment_ratings_asd ... ”Detox. (chelation)” 74% report ”got better”, 3% report ”got worse”, 23% report ”no effect” ... The 74% rating is the best of all of the many dozens of listed interventions. ... ... Mainstream medicine is in denial because they are part of the problem! They inject kids and pregnant moms with vaccines containing mercury as a preservative. They put ”silver” amalgam fillings in our teeth whic ...
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- Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by ASecondChance
60 days
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Hi all, I’m wrapping up my first four day round of chelation using DMSA 50/ ALA 50 and wanted to see if I could get some feedback on my experience... I asked my doctor for a Mercury challenge test and he gave me a bunch of Chelex capsules. I looked up the ingredients and saw chlorella which contains omega-3 and said no way because it gives me insomnia. I ordered pure DMSA instead. Accidentally misread the instruction sheet however and took 75 mg doses instead of 125mg (the appropriate amount for my weight). Twenty minutes after taking the first 75 mg dose at breakfast time, I h ...
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- Re: Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by joegrane
60 days
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Just a few thoughts on your excellent post: ... ... Amazing for a person with a history of CFS to tolerate 50mg each of DMSA and ALA in the beginning; however if you are still on the cortisol that might be a major reason. ... ... Even more amazing that you feel better while taking it! ... ... I get lethargic on a total of 30mg even after a couple years of chelation. ... ... Be alert for an increase of adrenal fatigue with those doses. ... ... I bet the high Hg fish is the biggest factor. ... ... Have you ever gotten a hair test to see if something strange turns up. There are over 700+ from chelation groups posted he ...
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- Re: Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by ASecondChance
59 days
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thanks for your reply and info Joe, I had previously already read your post about your issues. I do see a lot of similarities with mine. about 12 years ago, when my hands became so sore that I thought my career was in jeopardy, I went to a doctor who x-rayed them and said I had osteoporosis. I just wrote that story up over here to teach other people how to handle repetitive strain injury... that was the start of my unfortunate journey. glad I didn’t have to break my fingers though! I just ordered the hair test book, so thanks again for that suggestion. ...
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- Re: Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by joegrane
59 days
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”my T3 was a little low 12 years ago and I did try thyroid supplementation back then and I just found it very uncomfortable.” ... ... == If they put you on T4, we sometimes don’t convert it to T3. Try selenium. Many of us need dessicated. ... ... ” Did you have muscle tightness and tendinitis too ... ... == No, I’d try Mg, glutamine. It seems fairly common for HM toxic folks to benefit from them. ... ... == A close friend who lives in Chesterbrook is also chelating. An active member of the Yahoo frequent dose chelation group lives in Philly. There are some parents of autistic kids from SE PA as well.
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- Re: Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by ASecondChance
54 days
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== If they put you on T4, we sometimes don’t convert it to T3. Try selenium. Many of us need dessicated. ... ... thanks Joe, it was Armour. ... ... I’m close to finishing my second round now and having trouble sleeping a full three hour stretch because of vivid dreams and need to urinate. I think I will try cutting back the ALA to 25 mg because I really need more sleep. ... ... the first day of the round it feels like I’ve had some coffee but then after that first day, the sleep loss is limiting my energy. ... ... I occasionally feel like I am thinking more clearly and making decisions more confidently ...
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- Re: Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by joegrane
53 days
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... ... thanks Joe, it was Armour. ... ... I’m close to finishing my second round now and having trouble sleeping a full three hour stretch because of vivid dreams and need to urinate. ... ... ... == a friend has a history of those dreams. Cutler and other say the frequent urination gets better as the Hg comes out. ... ... I think I will try cutting back the ALA to 25 mg because I really need more sleep. ... ... == sounds wise. ... ... the first day of the round it feels like I’ve had some coffee but then after that first day, the sleep loss is limiting my energy. ... ... == you are not using whole adrenal extract are you ...
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- Re: Wrapping up first-round - what does it mean?
by ASecondChance
53 days
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a friend has a history of those dreams. Cutler and other say the frequent urination gets better as the Hg comes out. ... ... == that’s nice to know! ... ... you are not using whole adrenal extract are you? A. Cortex extract should be okay or helpful. ... ... == no, isocort is essentially pure cortisol. over-the-counter. ... ... After 15 yrs of weird health problems it was such a powerfully memorable time in my life. It was sinking in that I was actually getting better. ... ... == that is inspiring to hear. I was just telling my wife that I’ve been sick for so long, I can’t really comprehend that I may get well ...
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- Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by SB1108
62 days
427
Adrenal Fatigue
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I developed an alcohol intolerance about 6 months prior to being diagnosed with CFS/Fibromyalgia. Before CFS I was able to drink normally. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to treat or manage alcohol intolerance (and please don’t suggest ”don’t drink” - thats how I am currently managing it and I would like other suggestions). I’m not interested in becoming Lindsay Lohan, I would just like to have a glass of champagne at my wedding next year without feeling like death on my honeymoon. ... ... Background: I’ve been doing NB for a year to detox my body from excess copper - which has definite ...
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by onedaysoon
62 days
357
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I have the same issue but I have been doing better since NB. have you tried different forms? I know I can handle beer better than wine. Wine makes my muscles cramp up and hurt, but one beer is okay. Or even a small mixed drink. Sometimes I think it’s the chemicals. I started making my own wine last year so I’m anxious to see if I can handle that. ... ... I think the intolerance will go away once the AF is cured. I’ve had intolerance problems in the past and it always gets better when I address adrenal issues. [End]
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by joegrane
62 days
316
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Add molybdenum to the list of things to try. Not saying it will be a magic pill, but it may be part of a combo that will help. ... ... possibly related to sulfites and acetaldehyde, especially if candida is a problem. ... ... Any symptoms of hypoglycemia? Remember it can be related to low adrenal problems. ... ... Hg and heavy metals can contribute to all of the above. ... ... ... ... [End]
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by SB1108
59 days
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Definitely terrible hypoglycemia... and definitely have adrenal problems. ... ... I already take molybdenum. ... ... I don’t think candida is a big issue anymore - digestion is much better. ... ... Unless I still have copper in my system, I don’t heavy metals as much of an issue and I don’t see see mercury a cause (based the fact I don’t have amalgams and based on the results of my 5 hair analyses). ... ... My practitioner says there is likely still copper - so I guess I will have to wait it out. [End]
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by #155216
58 days
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If you don’t think mercury is a problem then take a few doses of alpha lipoic acid as a test. ... ... I would not trust the NB people with mercury. Copper and mercury always travel together and mercury is the cause. ... ... Just focus on getting yourself healthy. If you have to abstain from alcohol it’s a very small price to pay for having your health. ... ... ... ... [End]
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by joegrane
58 days
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Be careful, Lipoic Acid is powerful stuff when a person has a mercury problem! I’ve read many disturbing reports, especially from those who still had amalgam present. ... ... We are struggling to keep a 26 yr old mother of two alive. She is suicidal, fatigued, mentally ill and quite brain fogged. This got worse over many weeks as she accidentally used ALA in what she thought was just vitamin E. ... ... A close friend who had been getting nice gains on Cutler’s protocol had a bad setback from accidental use of ALA in a supplement for a week or so. After almost a year she still has not fully r ...
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by amber1921
58 days
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I had the same ”problem” a year ago before I even knew about AF. ... Later I found out that I’m extremely hypoglycemic and I think that’s what was causing it. ... I don’t know much about NB and heavy metals connection but if I were you I would look closely at your blood sugar levels and how it reacts to alcohol being present in your system. ... Try to maybe eat very low glycemic foods or avoid drinking on empty stomach. ... Other high protein and high fat foods are very helpful before you drink( I’m russian, trust me:))) ... ... As for me I had to quit drinking for good eventually. ... Hope it would help ... ...
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- Re: Alcohol Intolerance - Is this a permanent problem?
by gstm1
38 days
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Hi, I suffer from very severe MCS and it started off with alcohol. At first I would have right upper quaderant pain for a few hours each time I drank & it got worse, it would last longer each time until it stuck with me and turned into full blown MCS. Since MCS & CFS are related, so they say, I would be very careful. If your body let’s you know it has a problem with anything you better listen. Hopefully you make a full recovery from CFS & MCS is never a problem for you, good luck. Mario [End]
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- Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by bjornbjorn
73 days
237
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I have mercury toxicity and my hair is falling out and I have eczema. I just had all of my amalgams taken out 6 weeks ago and in the next week or two I will be starting DMSA (cutler protocol). Is it okay to take iodine as well? I am afraid I might put to much stress on my body by taking both Iodine and DMSA. I have never taken Iodine and from what I have heard you detox when taking it. I dont want to put to much work on my liver and kidneys. Any suggestions? [End]
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by joegrane
73 days
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Yes we have to be careful what we take. I don’t think it is a problem to take small amounts-- es we have to be careful what we take. I don’t think it is a problem to take small amounts-- 200mcg but I don’t know what the safe upper limit is for folks with an Hg problem and who are chelating. [End]
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by ChelatinCanary
30 days
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I am on Round 37 of chelation via the Cutler protocol (112.5 mg of ALA only), and just started on a very low dose of iodine this week (1830 mcg). Even with such a low dose I have had an extremely difficult week (nausea, vomiting, significant extra fluid retention, etc). It appears to be too much stress on my liver. As much as I hate to stall chelation, I am strongly considering taking a month or two to focus on iodine and thyroid support. With bromide detox alone, it is apparant that combining iodine with chelation may be overkill, especially if you’re wanting to up the doses as recomm ...
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by joegrane
30 days
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Those are big doses of ALA for a moderately sick person in the early rounds. I usually suggest to folks who are having trouble holding down a full time job to start with 12mg doses. It can be helpful to take DMPS or DMSA along with the ALA, but there is some individuality here. People with immune system problems often don’t tolerate DMSA very well. ... ... Don’t forget the Cutler recommended supporting supplements, especially antioxidants. ... ... So much more could be said. If you do this thoughtfully and carefully you don’t have to be a canary. Lots of people have gotten nice gains, unfort ...
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by ChelatinCanary
30 days
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Thanks, Joe. I started out at 6.25 mg of DMSA, and switched to ALA after 3 rounds of feeling awful. I feel amazing on ALA alone, and upped my dose slowly by a few mg’s every couple rounds (I buy low, graduated doses from Living Supplements). I’ve been doing extremely well with chelation, have gotten into the groove with my support supplements, and have easily been plugging along and even noticing gains. ... ... My only complaint has been the thyroid stress (fluid retention, weight gain, hair loss), thereby leading me to iodine. The low doses of iodine are what gave me the issues, but as y ...
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by joegrane
30 days
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Before messing with more than tiny doses of iodine, I’d try selenium. Andy Cutler explains that Se binds rather well with some HMs and therefore it is reasonable to expect that there will be less than optimal amounts available for production of T3 as well as for antioxidant protection of thyroid. ... http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/seleniums_vital_role_in_thyroid_hormone_function/%20tionist ... ... Se is one of my magic pills for my fatigue, cold hands, lethargy. I take extra while on round in divided doses. I’ve been experimenting with the methyl form of Se. ... http://www.vrp.co ...
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by ChelatinCanary
29 days
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I’ve been taking 3 brazil nuts a day while chelating, but I also recently ordered 100 mcg L-Selenomethionine capsules: ... ... http://www.vitacost.com/solgar-selenium-yeast-free ... ... I’m hoping to tolerate them, so I can have more controlled and consistent dosing of selenium (I read that mcg’s per brazil nut can vary greatly). ... ... I’m really glad you mentioned this about thyroid function though. I will be curious to see, with charting my temps and symptoms, if with increased doses of selenium I can truly affect my thyroid to the degree that iodine or T5 meds may... ... ... My one concern is taking t ...
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by joegrane
28 days
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My guess is that 400mcg while on round should be okay. Remember that in theory the HMs we kick up on round will bind to some of the Se. ... ... I typically take around 300mcg--a little more while on round and a little less while off. I have high Cd which may affect my tolerance and desire for it. The straight Hg toxic folks might not need as much. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by ChelatinCanary
19 days
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Joe, ... ... I want to give you a HUGE thank you for this post, and for your repeated mention of selenium. ... ... I have been charting my temps, 3 times daily for the past 5 months, working on stabilizing my adrenals and thyroid. ... ... I’ve tried nearly everything, and FINALLY, with honing in on selenium, I decided to up my daily brazil nut intake from 2-3 to 5. ... ... 8 days ago I made this increase, and my temperature immediately shot straight up. The last five days I have averaged 98.4, and today 98.7! For me, this is nothing short of a miracle (well, maybe a selenium miracle!). ... ... I think I’m goi ...
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by joegrane
18 days
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Glad to hear about the nice temperatures. ... ... Do you feel any difference--warmer, more motivation, etc? ... ... Any concerns about the fat or other content of the nuts over the long term? I don’t know anything about this. I’m just asking. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Chelating with DMSA and taking Iodine, can I take both?
by ChelatinCanary
16 days
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I don’t feel as cold as I used to, but I also don’t feel much more motivated or energized. I think there are many factors contributing to that one though, as I’m not able to get as many B vitamins in me as I’d like. ... ... I’m not too concerned about the brazil nuts for the duration of chelating, in terms of fat and/or selenium content. I think as long as I’m feeling more or less okay with them, I’m going to trust that. Maybe it a naive assumption, but I figure there are probably tribes of people that have eaten brazil nuts regularly in their diets, and I don’t think they would have evolv ...
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- Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by kon732
74 days
267
Chelation Support
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Immediately starting my second round round of DMSA, I caught a flu / cold! ... After my third dose of 12.5mg DMSA I started to feeling the symptoms, fortunately I have a medium-strong immune system, so I had no high fever but muscle and head ache, shivers, joints pain and fatigue. ... Is this a coincidence or it’s from DMSA? Beause if it’s a side-effect from round two, then I don’t want to imagine what will happen im my body at round twenty after some months!! [End]
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- Re: Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by kon732
74 days
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Sorry for my English.. [End]
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- Re: Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by joegrane
74 days
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I’ve been there! I learned my lesson. When I feel a cold coming on I skip the round. It seems that every time I chelated when I was fighting a mild cold, it got worse while on round. [End]
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- Re: Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by kon732
74 days
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So its chelation that make you catch a cold? I never had a fever 3 years now! ... Shouldnt I worry about the low level of the dose and the fact that I just started and it already messed up my immune system? [End]
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- Re: Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by joegrane
74 days
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No, the chelation process involves mobilization (kicking up) of heavy metals. Mercury affects your immune system. ... ... There are a variety of things we should do during chelation to prepare and protect the body for the stress of kicking up heavy metals. ... ... Cutler’s book Amalgam Illness contains many tips. ... ... Don’t forget to take appropriate supplements--antioxidants, Zn, etc. Some of us need extra amino acids, etc. [End]
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- Re: Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by joegrane
74 days
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This Winter I fared better than most people I know. When I felt myself starting to fight something, I added extra supplements, skipped a round of chelation, etc. I’ve now gotten a feel for what my body needs. I suppose the gradual reduction of the HMs have allowed my immune system to do its job more effectively. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Caught a flu in second round? Coincidence?
by kon732
72 days
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Appreciating your answer, ... I understand that chelation is a process like everything else.. Different bodies, different reactions, so I should go by feeling and I hope that in time I will learn how to ”listen” what my body needs. ... Thank you Joe [End]
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- Bad reacton to vitamin c?
by Solidone
79 days
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Ok, does anyone know why I would have a bad reacton to vitamin c? ... ... I juiced 1 lemon a day for a week and I would instantly get brain fog, a bit anxous and feel like something is clawing my brain. ... ... ... Since people were recommending vitamin to go along with mercruy detox, I though to myself, maybe I’m doing it wrong, maybe lemons are not good, so I bought a suplement today, it’s the tablets that dissolve in the water and you drink it, I just now drank half a cup and instantly brain fog and anxious again, what the hek is going on? ... ... Anyone have any advice, I would really appriciate it. ...
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- Re: Bad reacton to vitamin c?
by joegrane
79 days
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What supplement did you purchase, Emergen-C? ... ... If you have problems with phenols incl citrus, chocolate, apple juice and some other things you might have that reaction I have that problem. some autistic kids do as well. If you hav e problems with them I have more for you on it. ... ... A few people in the big yahoo chelation groups have trouble with vitamin c and have to use certain forms. It is not my issue so I don’t know the details. ... ... I think Cutler like buffered C somewhat more than the acid form for general use. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Bad reacton to vitamin c?
by MrBaker
78 days
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Do you drink it on an empty stomach? Try not to and see what will happen... [End]
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- Re: Bad reacton to vitamin c?
by Solidone
78 days
191
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Also, forgot to say this, but if I take vitamin c, I get the reactons like I wrote in the above post, and if I took vitamin c that day, I would usually wake up in the middle of the night with chills, feeling odd and having to go urinate at least 4 times in a 2 hour period, now let me tell you, this is not normal urinating, this is urinating like a drank gallons of water before I went to bed, each time I urinate. [End]
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- Re: Bad reacton to vitamin c?
by joegrane
78 days
165
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Frequent urination is a mercury symptom--effects on pituitary and adrenal hormones. Both Andy Cutler an Dr Pompa tell about their frequent urination in this discussion. ... http://www.healthcentersofthefuture.com/DrCutler/ [End]
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- Which ALA to use?
by bjornbjorn
80 days
215
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I was wondering if there were different types of ALA and if so what one works best on the Andy Cutler Protocol? Also what is the full name of ALA? [End]
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- Re: Which ALA to use?
by joegrane
80 days
245
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Alpha Lipoic Acid. ... ... The regular ALA was used in the studies that Cutler used as basis for his protocol. He does not advocate the use of R-ALA for chelation. He discourages the use of ”sustain release” variations. ... ... Actually DHLA is one of the actual Lipoic Acid chelators but that is just a technical matter. We take ALA and the body does the rest. ... http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/la/lastructure.html ... ... Remember to take it every 3-4 hours around the clock for a few days along with antioxidants and other useful supplements. ... ... Amalgam and other sources of mercury need to ...
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- Just start chelation
by kon732
89 days
497
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Hello to everybody, ... ... I m new to chelation and have some cocerns. I just have my silver fillings removed and started chelation on Andy’s Cutler protocol, slow and easy. ... So i am on my first round of DMSA 12.5mg every 4 hours, along with vit.C, vit.E, selenium, minerals and spirulina. ... ... 1. It would be extremely convenient if I could take my dmsa on the same days of the week like Mon. Tue. Wed. meaning 3on days 4off. Is it ok or should it be strictly 3on - 3off? ... ... 2. After some rounds on 12.5mg should I jump to 25mg or something between, like 18mg? ... ... 3.Also could I give blood during che ...
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- Re: Just start chelation
by joegrane
89 days
378
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3 on 4 off is the most common practice, especially in the beginning. ... ... You’d go to 18mg next or maybe even just 14mg. There is definitely variation in one’s tolarance; however lots of unpleasant stories from those who were too aggressive with dosing. ... ... Zinc and Mg are also on Cutler’s short list of supplements. ... ... Much more could be said. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: Just start chelation
by sam7777
89 days
363
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I would not give blood. Inevitably you may have mercury in your blood, it wont help the person who needs the blood. [End]
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- Re: Just start chelation
by kon732
85 days
321
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Zinc is in my supplements lists now, but I think I dont need magnesium because my DMSA capsules have 100mg of aspartate magnesium so 6x100 = 600mg per chelation day. (700 - 750 is the most recommended). ... Maybe I should take on my off days? [End]
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- Re: Just start chelation
by kon732
88 days
330
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Thank you for the fast response. ... It seems that chelation will be a long journey.. [End]
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- Re: Just start chelation
by ZlatinValchev
88 days
360
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I recommend you to stop taking selenium and spirulina/chlorela because they attach to mercury. You need only ALA-mercury bond. [End]
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- Re: Just start chelation
by joegrane
88 days
453
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If you have a heavy metal problem a safe detox program can be life changing. It has been for me. ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1951581 ... http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/78041.html [End]
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- DMSA dividing dosages
by bjornbjorn
3 mon
219
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I just bought my DMSA off of Vitamin Research Products and I bought the 100mg. I am obviously going to have to measure each dosage out. Is it okay to break up the capsule and take as a powder instead of inside a capsule as your body absorbs it much faster from my understanding. ... ... Can anyone give me some good advice on dividing these up easily? [End]
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- Re: DMSA dividing dosages
by CuteLion
3 mon
237
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No difference, I made an experiment once and the capsule dissolved within 2-3 minutes - and I only tried with water, not even the string acid found in the stomach. There are capsules that resist the acid to get stuff ”deeper” into the digestive tract, but those are not the ones used for DMSA I think - I opened a lot of DMSA capsules myself to get smaller quantities. I would not go so far as to measure those small amounts, you can easily see if you take out half or a quarter of it the capsules are transparent after all. Erring by a few mg would not worry me at all. [End]
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- should i balance with copper if i'm taking zinc?
by ecowner
3 mon
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if i am taking zinc shold i take copper to balance it like i read(for every 15 mg of zinc 2 mg of copper) ? ... ... ... i am not know anything about detox and all that. ... i just saw that theres such a thing as coopr detox so i red about it and how copper is bad. ... ... well what should i do? ... ... till i read this i was taking zinc and copper separately to balance like was adviced on many places i read. ... ... pleas help........... [End]
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- Re: should i balance with copper if i'm taking zinc?
by joegrane
3 mon
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If you have a straight mercury problem, probably not. Hg tends to cause a retention of Cu. ALA may cause a bit of a retention of Cu as well. However if you have one of the toxins that suggest the use of Cu, then maybe. Cutler explains more in his hair test book and other writings. ... ... Was Cu high on your hair test? ... Any symptoms of low Cu or reason to think it is low? ... ... I assume you are taking Cutler recommended levels of zinc. [End]
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- Re: should i balance with copper if i'm taking zinc?
by ecowner
3 mon
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thank you for the reply joegrane.im sorry i dont realy know anything about andy culture and didnt have any test ... so i dont know if i have a mercury problem. ... i am just treating myself last couple of months with vitamins for long time suffering of rosacea,seborrheic dermatitis and something called exfoliative cheilitis(noting i take is a chelator i think). ... ... qustions(makes it less messy): ... ... 1)is it: ... ... a. that the copper itself is a toxic to the humen body? ... and the detox of copper ment to get rid from all of it? ... ... or ... ... b.it is toxic only if it’s to high? ... and the detox get it to a pro ...
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- should I just have teeth removed
by rjjk
3 mon
655
Chelation Support
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I just recently realized that I should have the silver fillings taken out of my mouth. I have a lot and a couple big ones. I have no desire to have like 13 drilled out and replaced with more fillings. Could I just have them pulled? can you keep your front teeth which are ok. Then just get partial fake teeth in back? Do you talk to a dentist or an oral surgeon? I desperately want to chelate heavy metals but know that I can’t until I get the metal fillings out. I think heavy metals are causing my candida. [End]
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by joegrane
3 mon
579
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I’ve never read that Cutler suggests removal of teeth, just removal of amalgam. It is the mercury in the amalgam fillings that are the problem. ... ... Joe [End]
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by ecogenie2
3 mon
512
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If you can find a good holistic dentist that knows how to drill this stuff out without releasing toxic fumes and metals into your system by all means do it. But, if not pull that tooth. If you have so many to remove I would think about dentures and then learn how to eat without teeth. It isn’t easy to do unless you buy a vitamix, nutribullet and food processor. Someone needs to invent a portable food processor we can carry along with us to eat out. [End]
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by stilljillofark
3 mon
468
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I am thinking of doing the same thing! ... ... I just heard two days ago that one can not get rid of candida if they have mercury fillings that leak. Mine do. ... ... I do not know if this is always true, or law,...but I have fought valiantly for nearly a year to little avail! ... ... Thanks! ... ... Jill [End]
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by Johny Apple Bomb
3 mon
533
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I had my filling replaced. The bigger fillings on 2 of the molars required crowns. I wouldn’t replace the teeth. Not until they can grow new teeth with stem cells. ... ... Use a good chelator like Chelorex. After and when replacing the fillings. [End]
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by rjjk
3 mon
427
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So you recommend replacing the silver fillings with the white? There are a couple that are big which they will recommend a root canal. Just have them pulled and fill what you can? Is the at your suggestion. Has your health improved since you removed your silver fillings? Would love your imput. [End]
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by joegrane
3 mon
461
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You would get the fillings out because you don’t want additional exposure to mercury vapor. ... ... Boyd Haley debunks the ADA claim: Only minute amounts of mercury are released from amalgam ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnfBhdT7uU0 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WM1c7VSP70 ... Smooking tooth video. ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA ... Explanation of the video by Boyd Haley, PhD Chemistry ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_6ry_ve6Lr4#! ... Video from U of Calgary of neuron cell membrane damage e ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDnfeIwd0wI ... Boyd Haley, former chairma ...
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- Re: should I just have teeth removed
by sam7777
3 mon
518
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWF8fPnE4wc ... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0A4K_YGJIg&list=PL7YKya_R1ROtMq3NPTaHfbRyzrq39W35U ... ... Chris Shade also adds to the discussion. [End]
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- Is it okay to eat seafood while on DMSA?
by bjornbjorn
3 mon
199
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Just curious I eat seafood once a month approx, is it safe to eat seafood (sushi) while taking DMSA or while on a break. Lets say I am on 4 days on and 4 days off. [End]
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- Ran out of ALA... continue?
by BromelainChick
3 mon
215
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Okay... I ran out of ALA and I am currently taking ALA/DMSA... can I or should I keep going w/ just DMSA? ... ... Thanks... ... -Bromee! [End]
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- DMSA can I take it right after getting my amalgams out?
by bjornbjorn
3 mon
269
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I would like to start using DMSA for the first time. I believe cutler’s protocol is every 4 hours so thats what I am going to do. I want to do 4 days on and 4 days off. ... ... What dose should I start out at? ... ... I just had my last amalgams taken out 5 weeks ago is it safe to start DMSA, I know with ALA you have to wait 3 months. ... ... Also what supplements are a must while taking DMSA? [End]
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