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Re: cancer "cure" sellers
PM Dangerous Bacon
Date: 3/20/2008 3:16:33 PM ( 5 year ago )
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First of all, the maker of Anvirzel who got warned by the FDA for making unsubstantiated claims, is none other than "Ozelle Pharmaceuticals". Hmmm....wonder if that just possibly be the same Dr. Ozelle (doctor of what?) who you glowingly cite as having "cured" all those cancer patients. Someone at that company apparently just couldn't resist touting the product before the evidence was in.
And it still isn't in. Memorial Sloan-Kettering says that Oleander products should not be administered to anyone outside a clinical trial until more is known about its efficacy and toxicity. And speaking of toxicity, they say:
Reported (Anvirzel™): Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, pruritus, pain at injection site, tumor pain, mastalgia, leukocytosis, tachycardia, and arrhythmias.
Common (Raw botanical): Consumption of one Nerium oleander leaf may be fatal. Onset of toxicity occurs several hours following consumption and includes vomiting, abdominal pain, cyanosis, hypotension, hypothermia, vertigo, respiratory paralysis, and death.
Symptoms of toxicity can occur at a serium oleandrin level between 1.0 and 2.0 ng/ml."
Tell us, who should we believe about your "oleander soup" - health care professionals who care for thousands of cancer patients annually using the latest and best documented methods, or Tony Isaacs who does lots of Google searches, sees conspiracies everywhere and sells supplements over the Internet?
There _are_ useful botanically-derived chemotherapy drugs out there (for instance, Taxol, vinblastine and vincristine). They were properly tested before introduction, so their toxicities are well-known (hint: they come from plants, but they're still powerful and potentially dangerous drugs). No responsible person promoted them beforehand as a crude soup, risking serious reactions from a non-standardized preparation, or tumor resistance because of low dosage - problems you're exposing patients to with your oleander promotion.
As for the quote from the former FDA commissioner - that one has been circulating around various alt websites for quite awhile. The problem is, no one seems to have a provable citation that Dr. Ley said any such thing. By various accounts, he said it in 1965 (when he wasn't with the FDA), or 1969, or 1970...before Congress, or not before Congress. Surely _you_ can prove to us that he said it, and just when and where. And I don't mean an online photocopy of some scrap of undocumented paper from an unknown source, like the other crapola you've linked to before.
This is typical of the type of the material that antivaxers and other altie fearmongers propagate all over the place. Dubious quotes that can't be traced, unsubstantiated allegations from unqualified cranks, studies about irrelevant topics and complete falsehoods. They figure that if they rant about the same stuff over and over, sheer repetition will make someone believe it.
People who think for themselves and consult reputable sources are harder to fool.
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