Re: Vitamin C levels associated with stone formation in women

PC, I'm glad to see you back right now, I was going to send you a private message in hopes you would be back on CZ before long.

Information that I've researched for myself, plus what Telman gave me information about with the components needed for bile (especially because of both of us not having gallbladders), has not only tied loose ends together for me, but it is finally making THE difference for me.

I also can understand why weak bile/deficiency way back before ever getting to the point of gallbladder surgery was probably alot of the problem to begin with. I have a couple of theories about why for myself, plus co-factors to go with it, but I finally am understanding the importance of the right balance of the bile components in stones not continuing to form.

Here's some things that have finally made the light bulbs go off for me, and definetly are finally making a big difference-- it kind of ticks me off that it's been 3 years since the gallbladder surgery and I've only now figured out that they ALL have to go together..not just the ox-bile, not just the lecithin/choline, not just the pancreatin (lipase especially), not just the glycine, not just the taurine..ALL of them. Ox-bile especially because of not having the gallbladder.

The other thing that I've only recently learned that is also an irritation, and something Dr's would never tell you about the gallbladder being gone--is the fat soluble vitamins are not able to be utilized, and also require bile salts.

Some links to read:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james63.htm


>>>Most surgeons are blithely ignorant about the lost function of the gall bladder in patients who cholecystetomy. All patients lacking a gall bladder suffer from deficiency of bile acids. Patients lacking a gall bladder are unable to control bile secretion into the intestines to regulate proper absorption of fats, fatty acids, and fat soluble vitamins. Proper removal of toxins depends on bile acids that are not available in appropriate quantities after cholecystectomy. All persons who have had cholcystectomy need to take bile acids permanently. Without a gall bladder the patient has lost the ability to stock up on fat that can be used as a source of calories in illness and famine, essential fatty acids and fat soluble vitamins(A, D, E, K).>>


Food allergies and the gallbladder:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james19.htm


http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1457827


http://www.curezone.com/forums/em.asp?i=1457463



A good thread with the information from Telman..
but looking back at old posts, now I see that he's given this information before- but it's the first I guess I've read it and understood most of it. I see that he's given it to you in the past too.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1457474


One other side-note that goes right along with this--copper builds up and becomes toxic in the liver...
from Andrew Cutler on eliminating biounavailable copper:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/153810.html

Cutler's conversation with a women with toxic copper:

On Sept 19 I started taking: 50 mg Zinc,


with each meal.


350mg Molybdenum,


(Cutler)Try 1,000 mcg. With each meal.


500 mg
Taurine,


(Cutler) Good. with each meal better.


500 mg Glycine,


(Cutler) Which is not very much.


1500 mg Vitamin C,


(Cutler) This is enough but you have to take it several times a day (500-1000
mg with meals and at bedtime is good).


400 IU Vitamin E,


(Cutler) This is enough, more might be a bit better. I generally suggest maybe
1000 IU. Natural mixed tocopherols if possible.


B-Complex,


(Cutler) with meals.


and 1200 mg Phosphatidylcholine (as part of granulated
lecithin) 3-4 times a day,


(Cutler) Is all the above 3-4 times a day? The E can be once a day. The
lecithin can be whenever.


and occasional adrenal & ox bile.


(Cutler) ***Ox bile all the time.***
**********************

And that's for people WITH gallbladders.

The more I learn, the more there is to learn.

Another good article:
http://drlwilson.com/Articles/gb3.htm

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