I realize I'm not an old seasoned CZer but I'm not a fresh faced newbie either and I'm concerned about something that I feel is very detrimental to CureZone so I'd like to point out something that is going on in the Ask Curezone Support Forum in case you haven't already seen it. There is a thread there that I feel will detract newbies from posting when they see behavior like this where the TOS and the Posting Guidelines are being flagrantly broken in many posts several times.
The statements I've pasted below from this post curezone.com/forums/fm.asp
are outright slanderous and could be construed as defamation of character not to mention the obvious intent to question these members integrity.
Is this payback because I proved you wrong so many times in the past?!!! Get over it Unyquity. So you were wrong again and again, learn and live with it!!!
But the two of you could care less if this person dies or is injured because you scare them out of the scan all so the two of you can get back at me for proving both of you wrong in the past. So it is pretty clear to me how low the importance of life is to you and Wombat.
Typical of clueless people with an agenda to get back at me for proving them wrong so many times in the past. So were you born this deceiving or did you have to work really hard at it to get so good at it?!!!
Again there are times that these tests are necessary and they have not been proven to be harmful so you are trying to mislead people as usual.
You even started an entire thread about me full of lies about me on your forum where I could not even post to point out how many times you lied. Not only is that unethical and immoral, but it was also a childish tantrum. So when you grow up Uny then you will have the right to bitch about what I write. In the meantime let me point out something to you as well.
What you do not have the right to do is to make up lies about people in a personal vendetta then block them from responding to your lies.
Otherwise you are no better than Wombat and the Wombettes who think the topic is bash others.
Boy, you are really full of it aren't you?!!!! If that is Uny's agenda then how do you explain her long rant against me she posted on her forum so that I could not respond to her lies?!!! That puts her in the same category as Moreless as far as I am concerned since he pulled the same crap on people.
And yet you yourself, Wombat, Innercalm and your buddies have all taken every opportunity you can to lie about me and to attack me even though it was against TOS and off topic. Yep CZ really brings out the master hypocrites!!!
So do you and the other Chicken Littles also run around warning about the numerous risks of driving a car including the inhaling of carbon monoxide? Or are you only focused on anything I say so you have another opportunity to attack me?
So again have you been warning people about more predominant hazards such as driving or are you only focusing on me to pick another fight like you have in the past?
So what herb do you have to treat your hypocritical nature?
ROTFLMAO!!!! The hypocritical monster rears its ugly head again. What did you just post about the TOS and attacks?
So how many other posters have you posted long attacking rants about in your forum where they cannot respond to your lies? So not just hypocritical but also an outright liar!!!
Again you show how much of a lying hypocrite you really are!!
But you and the other hypocrites here had to turn that comment in to a debate by claiming that it was an attack then had to derail the topic as they said by changing the topic heading numerous times and making the thread an attack fest on me.
You have already demonstrated your intent to make this in to a fight with your lies and hypocritical nature. I am not interested in fighting with a delusional lunatic.
I did not start the attacks, the hypocrites accusing me did. And they seem to keep wanting to drag this thread through the mud with personal attacks on me despite complaining about the attacks against people on CZ. These hypocrites really need to take a good long hard look in the mirror then decide why they are really here. Is it to attack me to get their jollies or is it to really help people.
So did you or your flunkies bother to mention that fact. Oh that's right all of you left that fact out so you would have a reason to start a fight since of course you are so strict about following the TOS (note the sarcasm).
Ever since you and your flunkies decided to start your bash fest.
Anyone with more than two active brain cells would have known I never said it was Unyquity. And it was not me either. But I do find it interesting how all the Unyquity followers as well as Unyquity seem to keep posting insults and other attacks rather than follow the TOS and post on the original topic instead about making it a bash fest on one person that they choose to blame for their own actions. It is the pack of wolves mentality. They find it easier to attack when working together because they are scared little individuals.
Now are you going to get back on to the real topic or is the wolf pack going to continue with the off topic postings and attacks?
Actually it was a couple of know it alls that were just looking for a fight. That is why they kept changing the subject title, because they did not want to address the topic, they just wanted to fight.
But Wombat and the Wombatites decided to pitch a fit over this. I am not to blame because they are so mentally unstable that they take the posting of any facts as attacks.
I am done with this thread and your lunatic supporters that are too frikin stupid to even read the thread to understand the concept that I was not the one that started the attacks nor derailed the subject. I have no problem with ignorance, but cannot tolerate shear stupidity!!!
I am not alone in my concern for CureZone if this kind of thing is allowed to continue. Here is what Wombat had to say on the subject: curezone.com/forums/fm.asp
A post is a post is a post. It's not a text-book. I find it quite unusual that I am being so lambasted for attempting to add to a conversation on a public forum. You are absolutely correct, Hver's post was incomplete(side-note, I was surprised that that post was rated, but then I remembered that sometimes posts are rated to stimulate conversation, I do hope that that's the case, if not, I hope that the moderator knows that rating a post can easily be undone, we all make mistakes:).
I am glad that I am not a newbie to these boards. If I was a newbie and I was showered with so much vitriol for adding to the convo, I might be intimidated enough to never return. A newbie I am not, though, and I am certainly seasoned enough to resist debating such emotional triggers as:
"And nobody is stopping you. Got that?!!! But when you are posting misleading information that can put someone's life at risk then I don't give a damn about your ego I am going to say something!!"
"But apparently you think you are extra special for some reason and therefore you feel that anyone contradicting your beliefs should not have the right to post."
How on earth does one come to those conclusions based upon the posts here? I can't see it. What I can see is an attempt to skew the convo with noise, and I see an attempt to put me in a place where I feel as though I have to "defend" myself. I don't feel a need to defend myself at all. I added to the knowledge base here at CZ, and hopefully the OP will be inspired to do some research.
This is not the CZ that I found when I was a newbie, just gotta say.
And ya know what else? I have disagreed with you, Uny, I have disagreed with Trapper, and I have disagreed with IC. NEVER have I been attacked for disagreeing with y'all as I was attacked in this thread.
If conversation on CZ cannot be a learning experience, if we cannot give and take for fear of attack, then what's the point? Something's got to change.
It seems to me that if a newbie were to come to CZ and read this thread they might be very hesitant to post for fear of being attacked or at the very least be in fear of causing a fight! Everybody's truth is different and every person on CZ has a right to speak their truth and not be met with insults, personal attacks and disrespect.
Very importantly, I feel we need to use this thread (and the extremely bad examples it contains), to remind us all (whether or not they're enforced), that CureZone does have a Terms of Service (TOS) and Posting Guidelines:http://curezone.com/terms.asp
http://curezone.com/forums/guidelines.asp . Adherence to these terms & guidelines is/was essential to making CZ the success it is, and if CZ is to remain the internet's largest forum regarding various ways to 'Educate instead of Medicate' (and a place where we all can share information, comfortably & freely), I feel very strongly we must all do our best to abide by the TOS and Posting Guidelines. And here is why: for any organization to maintain it's 'success' and 'member-base' there has to be a constant influx of 'new blood' (new members). If members (particularly new members) are met with an environment that is unpleasant, they generally don't stay (or come back). And with an internet forum, the "environment" IS the content and 'emotional attitude"of the posts. To be more specific:
When someone posts a question (or makes a comment), they are likely to receive several different answers/replies. If one (or more) of those replies is rude & disrespectful of the other posters, the resulting 'flame war' is not conducive to open/free sharing of information, and it always makes the environment extremely uncomfortable...many times causing the OP to not respond, leave and never return.
Curezone consists of people that have great amounts of knowledge (and have received healing) with all of these/other methodologies. So when members & newcomers ask a question, they will many times receive a vast array of responses & options for them to consider. It's ALL of our responsibility (particularly those that have been around CZ for a long time, and those that are extremely prolific & vocal in responding to posts) to ensure that no matter what information or modality is offered or suggested, that the 'environment' of CZ remain inviting, informative, respectful...and most of all the environment be conducive to exploring, learning and HEALING. This will ensure that many people experience healing (and that CZ will maintain it's current membership, and GROW to have even more healing information).
This thread (imo) is an example of the worst-case scenario for positive, learning, healing "environment".
Frustratingly for us all, there doesn't seem to be enough moderators to go around to do this fundamental and very important job, and that means we have to do our best to take care of this ourselves (which is definitely a 'tough job' all the way around, as none of us enjoy conflict, and we've certainly been conditioned by 'playground bullies' all our lives to not address their rudeness & actions). If we care about CZ (and agree this issue is important & integral), it means each of us must do our best to post respectfully to others (even when we don't feel respectful, or we're accused of things that aren't true). And it means that sometimes we have to do our best to stop others from posting in ways that make others feel ignorant, disrespected, afraid to ask questions & share information, or in any way that makes the environment of Curezone unpleasant...even if we have to 'name names' and point out the errors publicly, illuminating the harm they cause (either directly, or on the Webmaster's forum).
We have this responsibility in all 'public forums' and the owners of private forums have the right to choose any 'environment' they prefer.
I realize that in a situation like this there are NO winners. When a person makes makes a post that contains inflammatory slanderous remarks, calls names, and accuses others of wrong doing it causes those reading the post to question the integrity of the person being written about. That person feels like he/she has to defend themselves to protect their reputation (who wouldn't want to protect themselves) thereby continuing the thread in a negative way. If the offended person did NOT defend themselves then they are taking the chance that others might believe what has been written about them. It is a vicious never-ending cycle and one that stops people from contributing to a thread. When members see people like Unyquity and Wombat (who ARE seasoned CZer's) being attacked for simply providing another viewpoint, how long do you think it would be before people stopped answering questions for fear of being attacked? Who's got the time to be defending themselves against slander all the time? Not many I'd say.
To sum up this very long post I would like to say that I do NOT tell my friends about CureZone because I am ashamed of this kind of behavior, especially on a Website that is supposed be a place of "Educating Instead Of Medicating" and I'm afraid that if I told someone and they came and got attacked it would not only hurt them but it would further degrade CZ. Word of mouth is a very powerful thing and it can work to the advantage but also to the disadvantage.
I don't see any other Private Forum owners attacking people in Support Forums and I'm sure that is because as forum owners they are aware that they will be held to a higher standard than CZ members. So to see a Private Forum owner causing this kind of conflict in a Support Forum is very disturbing to me.
So I guess my question is, have the TOS and Posting Guidelines changed? Do they no longer apply? Maybe I'm missing something.
Wishing for a safe place to discuss healing,
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