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  • cancer ferments glucsose / get over it! by patientadvocate   31 mon  2,224   3 of 4 (75%)  Cancer Support / Breast Can / Lymphoma, / 4 / 5 / 6
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    • Re: cancer ferments glucsose / get over it!  by Hveragerthi   31 mon  2,225   2 of 4 (50%)
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       Logic is a good thing.

      Logic helps clarify problem solving, uses facts to determine conclusions, excludes prejudice from our decision making.

      Here is what logical applications can do by starting with just one single fact.

      Cancer Ferments Glucose!

      This part is true.

      So what does this mean?

      This process makes lactic acid.
      This inturn leads to uric acid.

      Uric acid is not a byproduct of lactic acid.  Uric acid is a byproduct of ammonia, which is reacted with carbon dioxide to form uric acid.  This is then hydrolyzed in to urea and passed off as urine.  If it did form uric acid then this would be a good thing since uric acid is a primary antioxidant to the body.  

      But lactic acid is either removed from the body by oxygen, or it can go through a series of steps being converted back in to glucose through a process called gluconeogenesis.

      Cancer ph must be lower than normal cell ph. (acidic)

      Not necessarily.  Just because a cell excretes acid does not make it acidic itself.  Are kidney cells acidic because they excrete uric acid?  Are lung cells acidic because they excrete carbonic acid?

      So, if cancer ferments glucose as its metabolic preference and cannot metabolize fats or use oxygen,...then:

      Actually cancer cells do metabolize fatty acids just like the intestinal flora can even though they also rely primarily on fermentation like cancer cells:

      http://www.cancerevolution.info/index.php?/cancer-therapy/Cell-energy-limitation-therapy/researchers-find-leukemia-cells-metabolize-fat-to-avoid-cell-death.html

      http://www.jci.org/articles/view/38942

      It is anaerobic, (meaning prefers lower oxygen)
      It cannot burn fats, (this requires oxygen)

      Again cancer cells can apply fatty acid oxidation for energy production.

      It does not like oxygen getting inside its cells.
      Oxygen is a nemisis to anything that wants to exploit fermentation as an energy source. (just ask any wine maker or any green plant that is deprived of CO2.)

      I disagree.  What Warburg found was that cancer cells will continue to ferment REGARDLESS of how much oxygen is present.  This is why we cannot cure cancer with hyperbaric oxygen therapy even though it supersaturates the cells with oxygen and reduces acidity.  Neither oxygen levels or acidity have any significant effect on cancer formation or metabolism.

      So, if you were just going to undertake a logical approach to fighting this disease on your own. Without much knowldedge and input then the answers are clear.

      Attack it by how it eats and how it breaths.

      In theory should work every time.

      In theory maybe, but in reality this is a different story.  Even if a cancer patient cuts out sugar out of their diet this will not do much to starve the cancer cells.  Why?  Because again the cancer cells can also rely on fatty acid oxidation for metabolism.  In addition the rest of the body still needs glucose so the body will convert other things in to glucose to feed the cells such as lactic acid/lactate, proteins or fats.

      As for how it breathes as I pointed out earlier, even supersaturating the cells through hyperbaric oxygen therapy DOES NOT kill cancer cells because the cancer cells will continue to ferment regardless of how much oxygen you supply to the body.

      In a disease that will kill you I think logically we should not pussy foot, trial and error!

      This means aggressive therapies now!

      This I agree with.  Ozone therapy is still my first choice for cancer, especially aggressive cancers.  And even though this is a more radical form of oxygen it does not behave in the same manner as oxygen.  This is why ozone will kill cancer cells and have many other effects not produced by oxygen in hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

      How the ozone should be administered though will depend on various factors such as what kind of cancer, where it is located, the type of ozone unit and whether or not the person has access to a medical unit at home for home treatment.

      Rife units are also a good alternative if the proper frequency or frequencies are used.  Unfortunately bogus frequency lists have been passed around so much that most people are using improper frequencies.

      Herbs are also a great choice.  But not singular herbs as much as formulations to address the different aspects of cancer.  These include destroying cancer microbes, inhibiting the lactic acid-glucose cycle, blocking angiogenesis, inhibiting mitosis, increasing SOD and immune enhancing cytokines, increasing white blood cell activity, etc.

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