More distortions of the facts

 There was an excellent post over on the Webmaster Support forum as follows:

I understand that the above post is YOUR opinion, Tony. However, I know from years of lurking on this site that some of what you have stated as truth is actually fictional. In addition, the fact that these disagreements spin wildly out of control is directly due to perpetuation efforts by a certain few, usual suspects. A group to which it appears that you claim membership.

It matters not that these usual suspects have forums of their own OR that they are moderators. What matters is that the opinions and/or experiences of many people are posted here freely and left for the reader to consider. Each of us will ultimately be guided by our inner healer and quite frankly DO NOT require overbearing guidance(?) that seems to arise from time to time in these conflicts.

I agree that the TOS should be followed without question. However, that means you and several other forum owners and valuable contributors are equally at risk of being banned. Your own actions in the past have been in violation more than once from what I have read......
In fact, one of the most irrational, deeply offensive and personally directed slams I have ever seen here on CZ was made by you; intended for HV.

I would respectfully request that these conflicts cease and personal opinion and knowledge allowed to be shared freely (as intended?) with the usability factor allowed to the individual reader (as intended?).

And right on cue we have one of the major problems here on Curezone trying to play innocent victim, which I am going to address his claims:

And what exactly is there in my post that is fiction?  I submit that what I posted was not mere opinion, but demonstrable fact.

This is a great one since his post was full of distortions.  For example, claiming I am making up the claim that I have never started any attacks.  This is completely true.  I have fought back after being attacked, but have NEVER attacked any individual first.  But the claim I am making this up is from the same person who not only started a  big debate on the Cancer Support forum then continued to deny it even the though the indisputable evidence was presented to him, but then sent PMs to individuals to recruit them in to joining him in HIS personal TOS violating attack campaign on me.  And he wants to keep playing innocent victim!!!

During your time of "lurking", did you happen to catch the WM's post in Hv's forum where he explained the truth about who banned Hv and why?

Did you happen to catch the post about the Webmaster's PM to me saying that he was not getting involved in any of the politics of the individual forums when I asked him about this ban?  In other words he denied banning me.  But since you are making things up again please show all of us this supposed post!!!  If you run a search the only post by the webmaster is this one:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1777222#i

NOWHERE does it say anything about him banning me.  So why are you making up stories again?  This is almost as bad as the game you kept playing posting over and over that the Webmaster sent me a PM warning about personal attacks.  What you conveniently kept leaving out to mislead everyone was the fact that the PM also CLEARLY stated that he was sending the same exact warning to you.  So again, you are not an innocent victim, but you are really showing your true colors with your made up claims to attack me!!!

How do you, or anyone else, rationally explain why I am banned from no public or debate forums and Hv has been banned from more forums and had more complaints than anyone in the history of CZ? 

Uh, let me count the ways:  1.  You are an advertiser.  2.  You are personal friends with the Webmaster.  3.  As we have seen you are an expert at lying your way out of situations as we have seen.  4.  You have been on Curezone many more years than I have giving you more political pull.  5.  You are a moderator for several forums, so you serve yet another purpose to for the Webmaster.  6.  You have the backing of the Troll Pack, which has been helping you do your dirty work for you so you can "appear" clean.  How many of them did you happen to PM to attack me like you did when you started the debate on the Cancer Support forum?  

And why do you keep leaving out the real reasons I was banned from many of these forums?  It was not for attacking people.  It was for providing evidence that contradicted claims being made on forums as I pointed out.  If people were being banned for attacks then you would have been banned from Curezone a long time ago.  But I already explained all this.  So the fact that you are still repeating this misleading claim says it all.  But let me refresh your memory.  Banned from Uny's forum after she attacked me over my recommending an herbal extract that she claimed was not natural.  When I pointed out teas and tinctures she promotes are not natural I was banned from her forum.  I was banned from the Cancer Support forum after YOU started a debate on something I said, then YOU PMd people recruiting them to join in on YOUR personal TOS violating attack fest.  Of course you were just itching to get me off of that forum after I pointed out that most cancers are viral in origin and oleander soup did not address the viral cause of most cancers.  So you claimed that cancer viruses had been discusses more than enough even though they were only brought up a few times.  And of course oleander soup, which was proven to be ineffective, had been discussed hundreds of times but that was not more than enough.  Why not?  Conflict of interest?  Is that why you were abusing your moderator privileges so bad on that forum?!!!  Then I was banned from the Acid/Alkaline forums for discussing how the body regulates is pH.  Oh, what a sin!!!  I was actually the only one discussing pH balance on the forum.  Shame on me!!!  I was banned from the Moreless forum for being one of several people discrediting his made up scientific claims.  But he also banned anyone claiming to have been injured by his protocol as well.  Anyway, as we can see you are twisting the facts as usual.

As far as the complaints that is misleading as well.  Before I came here a lot of people were being duped in various quackery such as "liver flushing" and drinking caustic calcium hydroxide (lime).  When I exposed these I immediately developed a lot of enemies.  And yes, they complained just like they vote "agree" on any post made by someone going after me and "disagree" on my posts.  It is called POLITICS!!!!  Want proof?  Go look at the "Liver Flush Debate" forum.  There are posts on there by a "liver flush" supporter that were completely wrong, but right on cue they robo-clicked on agree.  For example, the post where the poster claimed that magnesium sulfate was made from calcium hydroxide and carbonate from seawater.  Unless you have a massive atom smasher and billions of dollars to waste this is impossible.  Yet again the "liver flush" supporters still clicked on "agree" to this bogus claim.  It is not about the truth, it is about the politics.

Speaking of fiction, surely you don't buy into the fiction that it is because of some conspiracy against him or because other moderators did not like his "truth".  Because the fact and not the fiction is that it has been because of his wrong behavior.

Uh, what about your wrong behavior?  Such as starting debates and personal attacks on support forums then recruiting others to join you attacking that individual.  I just love how you keep trying to twist the real facts to make yourself appear like the innocent victim.  You just prove my points with every post you make!!!

Regardless of your opinion of me or what has happened otherwise, do you support Hv for posting a threat to sue the WM? 

Again you are twisting the facts.  And as you have read my post discussing this as you state below why are you still twisting the facts?

THAT is what started this debate to begin with,

Uh, no!!!  Here you go again trying to play innocent victim.  YOU did not have to start the thread directed at attacking me.  In fact, the whole thread YOU started for the purpose of attacking me once again is a complete violation of TOS.  But once again you just could not pass up the opportunity to take as many pot shots as you could at me knowing that you were once again violating TOS, but the rules were not being applied to you.  Since you are yet once again completely twisting the facts to your own benefit let's get things straight.  I posted my rant on MY forum, not a debate forum.  And you are banned from my forum because you would not quit with the constant personal attacks.  Just like you did with starting the thread on the Webmaster Support forum.  So you just got caught with your hand in the cookie jar yet once again!!!  There was no reason for the debate.  You could have simply let it go and let the post fade back in to the archives.  But YOU could not do that because YOU say yet another open opportunity to personally attack me.  So the only reason this TOS violating debate was started was because YOU were looking for more ammunition to attack me with.  But thanks for showing your true colors again.  Give you enough rope and you hang yourself each time!!!

you realize and myself and others you and Hv would like to call the usual suspects or whatever, committed the cardinal sin of coming to the defense of the WM and objecting to the threat against him.

See above.  Is it not a sin to personally attack posters here on Curezone?  Is is not a sin to make up lies about others and to twist the facts for personal gain as you keep doing?  A sin is a sin no matter how you look at it.  So you are no better than the way you perceive me!!!

Have you ever seen Hv support the WM or come to his defense? 

The poster was talking about your attacks.  Why are you now trying to divert the attention away from your bad behavior once again?  On, that's right..............

Just the opposite - he has in fact called out the WM and attacked him numerous times - most often in a forum he was given solely by the grace of the WM.  

More deception.  First of all I seriously doubt that you have a clue what I have said to the WM in my PMs.  But I will give you a clue.  Many of them were asking why he refused to do anything about your starting debates and the constant personal attacks.  Keep in mind that you even went out of Curezone to find posts from other message boards to use against me.  So you posted a misleading post about me that you had no idea what the truth was. And even when I explained it to you you still continued to bash me with the post falsely claiming I was e-mailing members to harass them.  If the post was true then how do you explain I got the e-mail addresses since only current members have access?  Oops, you have been busted yet again!!!!  So you were violating TOS right and left with the personal attacks so I asked the WM to do something.  But of course he is not going to do anything about an advertiser and free help in the form of a moderator.

And as far as the "grace of the WM" you are so full of it.  The WM did not give me a forum out of the goodness of his heart.  He did it because I am yet another draw to this website so he can make more revenue from donations and advertising.  So he is using me just like he uses you.  Why do you think with all the so-called complaints I have not been removed from Curezone.  Well, let's see.  My forum is probably in the top 3 support forums on Curezone in terms of activity.   I have been on here for a little over two years and just in the top 300 my forum is ranked 29th position.   This is because people are looking for health facts, not health hype.   You on the other had for example have had a forum on here for 4 years and are ranked 46th place!!!  Why is that?

Have you seen me or the other "usual suspects" ever call out, attack or threaten the WM? 

Again the poster was not talking about attacks on the WM.  She was talking about your personal attacks on me.  Why do you keep trying so hard to divert attention away from that fact?  We have all seen your attacks.  We all know how you weasel your way out of of being the perpetrator.  Come on,  grow a pair finally and start admitting to your own actions.

How about his personal attacks on other members in his private forum?  Does that get your approval too?

Should I pull up those old posts again from your forums where you outright blasted your own posters?  Of course you had poor excuses for your behavior in those cases as well.

Difference is that the only time have attacked anyone is because they were attacking me first.  But if people want to read through my forum they will find numerous examples of people posting things I disagree with.  And yet I either politely respond with my opinion and that is that or we have civil discussions.  Again, I don't care if someone disagrees with me.  It is when they start with the personal attacks, such as you frequently do, that I take offense.

How about his latest distorted and delusional post made just moments ago (and giving himself an RRR rating):

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1867537#i

Wow, "distorted and delusional".  You just cannot post without attacking can you?!!!!  Of course you have always had problems when I presented the facts.  Ironically, your posts are just further supporting the fact that I have been a consistent target of the Troll Pack!!!  And as we have seen I am not the only one that recognizes this fact!!!

And yes, I definitely gave the post an RRR rating to make sure people see it.  All they have been hearing are your constant lies and distorted facts you come up with to mislead them.  Time for people to see you for who you really are, which you far exceeded my expectations in your post.  No longer will you be able to FALSELY claim you are innocent victim!!!!!!!!

And, finally, how about that lovely message he sent to Luella?

LOL!!!!   Now you are going to try to make her the victim just like you keep playing victim.  Thanks for validating my PM!!!  But as we know you love to twist the facts.  So let's start by looking at who started the attacks again.  Oh look, it was LUELLAMAY:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1866759#i

Oops, you just got busted again twisting the facts.  So I sent a PM in response to the attack:

Subject:   Re: e: span style= From:   Hveragerthi < Send message to Hveragerthi >  To:   LuellaMay < Send message to LuellaMay >  Date:   10/9/2011 7:00:32 PM   ( 13 h ago )   Hits:   1 Size: 1051 char.   URL:   http://curezone.com/m/fm.asp?i=2795307

Hveragerthi

You and Tony are definitely two peas in a pod.  He lies through his teeth about me, starts debates then bans me for fighting back and violates TOS with that action but also by trying to recruit others to join in on his personal attacks on me and you think he is justified.  Sorry, but that just goes to show how delusional you really are. Luckily, most people here on Curezone can see right through Tony's games.  He may still get away with them because of the power he holds and abuses, but the people who care to seek the truth will clearly see how he has lied about and manipulated the situation if they go back and read the posts.  So I can really care less about your fantasies of Tony being some type of knight in shining armor.  I believe in facts, not fantasy, which includes the claims that Oleander has been proven to work.  But all of that will be thoroughly exposed soon enough. And her response:

Subject:   Re: e: span style= From:   LuellaMay < Send message to LuellaMay >  To:   Hveragerthi < Send message to Hveragerthi >  Date:   10/9/2011 12:03:24 PM   ( 20 h ago )   Hits:   3 Size: 106 char.   URL:   http://curezone.com/m/fm.asp?i=2794582 LuellaMay    Spare me Hv.  You are hopeless.  It is impossibleto talk to people like you.

LuellaMay is no more a victim than you are!!!

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