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  • I'm really glad that I waited and did not start the flush. by susie   10 year  1,565  Liver Flush Support
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                > "I passed a smaller calcified stone in september and had bleeding for a week from the bowels."

                farscape66,

                Yes, in your case it sure can be important to dissolve stones ... use fresh radish juice every day ... it is known to dissolve and round larger or unregular stones ... also fresh apple juice ... actually most vegetable juices are great ... use them every day!

                What was the color of blood from your bowels?
                Was it outside feces or inside?

                Do you know what part of your bowel was injured?


                But, be aware that you are one out of 100 or 200 people who actually have calcified stones ... so for you rules and laws may be different then the rules for other 99 or 199 people.

                Only 5-10% of patients with symptomatic Gallstones have sufficient
                calcium in their stones to be visible on plain xray.
                And only 1 -2% have hard calcified stones, stone that could injure bile ducts or intestines.


                Excerpt:
                "In 1992 it was estimated that 10 to 15% of the adult population
                in the United States had gallstones (which amounted
                to more than 20 million people) (NIH Consensus
                Statement, 1992). About one million patients are newly
                diagnosed annually and approximately 600 000 patients
                underwent cholecystectomy in 1991. Gallstones are the
                most common digestive disease leading to hospitalization
                with an estimated annual cost of $5 billion (NIH Consensus
                Statement, 1992).

                Gallstones have been described long before the era of modern
                abdominal surgery. Numerous calculi were found in the
                gallbladder of the mummy of a priestess of Amenen of the
                21st Egyptian Dynasty (1500 BC) (Schwartz 1981). The
                Greek physician, Alexander Trallianus, described calculi
                within the hepatic radicles of a human liver (Glenn & Grafe
                1966). By the 16th century, both Vesalius and Fallopius
                described gallstones found in the gallbladders of dissected
                human bodies (Schwartz 1981). These observations indicate
                a clear recognition of the phenomenon of cholelithiasis,
                however, pathogenesis and clinical significance of gallstones
                are seldom referred to. It was Langenbuch in the late 19th
                century (Langenbuch 1882) who widened the understanding
                of gallstone pathology and performed the first cholecystectomy.

                http://www.elsevier-international.com/e-books/pdf/12.pdf


                PREVALENCE
                The population of certain parts of Italy has been studied
                extensively as to the prevalence of gallstones.

                The Rome Group for the Epidemiology and Prevention
                of Cholelithiasis (GREPCO) found gallstones in 8% of
                Roman male civil servants between the age of 20 and 69
                years. Less than 8% had a history of symptoms compatible
                with biliary colic (GREPCO 1988). The same group found
                a prevalence of as high as 25% in female civil servants in the
                60–64 year age group. One-third reported at least one
                episode of biliary pain over a period of 5 years (GREPCO
                1984).
                As part of the Multicenter Italian Study on Cholelithiasis
                (MICOL) 29 739 study participants were examined by
                ultrasound and questionnaire with respect to the presence
                of gallstones and related symptoms (Attili et al 1995b). The
                prevalence of gallstones for women was 10.5% and 6.5% for
                men. This increased to 18.9 and 9.5% respectively when
                subjects who had already undergone cholecystectomy were
                added. A linear increase in prevalence was noted with age in
                both sexes. The vast majority of subjects with gallstones
                were asymptomatic (84.9% of women and 87.0% of men).
                This study confirms the high prevalence of gallstone disease
                and also shows that most patients are unaware of it. Similar
                numbers were found in a Scandinavian study (Muhrbeck &
                Ahlberg 1995).

                The overall prevalence of gallstone disease in industrialized
                countries appears to be between 10 to 20% (Table
                32.1) with an increase for female sex and age. The incidence
                is close to ten per 1000 subjects per year (Misciagna et al
                1996, Angelico et al 1997).

                NATURAL HISTORY OF GALLSTONES

                The analysis of the natural history of gallstones started with
                a landmark study by Gracie and Ransohoff. They followed
                123 Michigan University faculty members (110 men and 13
                women) who had been found to have gallstones through
                routine screening for 15 years. At 5, 10 and 15 years of
                follow-up 10, 15 and 18% had become symptomatic. None
                of them had developed complications. The approximate rate
                at which the subjects developed biliary pain was 2% per year
                for the first 5 years with a subsequent decrease over time.

                Three patients in this study developed biliary complications,
                all of which were preceded by biliary pain. They concluded
                based on the results that prophylactic cholecystectomy for
                asymptomatic gallstones could not be recommended
                (Gracie and Ransohoff 1982).

                Attili and colleagues also followed 151 subjects identi-
                fied to have gallstones during the GREPCO study
                (GREPCO 1984) over a period of 10 years (Attili et al
                1995a). Thirty-three subjects had symptoms while 118
                were asymptomatic at the beginning of the study. The
                cumulative probability of developing biliary colic was 12%
                at 2 years, 17% at 4 years, and 26% at 10 years. The cumulative
                probability of developing complications after 10
                years was 3% in the initially asymptomatic group and 7% in
                the symptomatic group. The authors conclude that the
                natural history of gallstone disease might not be as benign
                as previously thought.

                In a Japanese study Wada and colleagues found one-third
                of 1850 patients with cholelithiasis to be symptomatic.
                Twenty percent of the remaining 680 asymptomatic turned
                symptomatic over a median follow up of 13 years. Patients
                over the age of 70 were more likely to become symptomatic
                than patients under 70 (Wada and Imamura, 1993).

                McSherry followed 135 asymptomatic men and women
                with gallstones subscribers to the Health Insurance Plan of
                Greater New York. Ten percent developed symptoms and
                7% required cholecystectomy over a median follow-up of 46
                months (McSherry et al 1985).

                A placebo group of 193 asymptomatic patients who were
                part of a chemical dissolution trial were followed for 24
                months (Thistle et al 1984). Thirty-one percent of them
                developed biliary pain. This number is quite high but could
                be explained by intense surveillance. Also, the patients had
                to be asymptomatic for the 12 months preceding the trial
                and some patients might have been symptomatic prior to
                that. Similarly, Cucchiaro et al (1990) followed 125 asymptomatic
                patients for a period of 5 years. Fifteen patients
                developed symptoms during that time and two patients had
                to undergo emergency surgery for gallstone complications.
                Fifty-four patients died during that period because of malignancies, cardiovascular disease or renal insufficiency. None
                of the deaths was gallstone related.

                Friedman et al (1989) followed 123 asymptomatic patients for up to 20 years. Six percent of the patients developed severe symptoms related to their gallstones during the first 5 years after diagnosis.

                Death as the ultimate complication from gallstones is rare
                (Godrey et al 1984, Cucchiaro et al 1989). It usually occurs
                in the elderly as a consequence of biliary or postoperative
                complications.

                Different study designs and outcome measures make it
                difficult to deduct a uniform natural history for gallstones.
                Most studies support that between 1 and 4% of patients
                with asymptomatic gallstones will develop biliary symptoms
                per year (Table 32.2). One can extrapolate that after 20
                years two-thirds of patients will remain symptom free
                (Friedman 1993).


                Over 70% of patients developing gallbladder carcinoma
                have gallstones (Piehler & Crichlow 1978) (Ch. 53). The risk of developing carcinoma is estimated to be 1% of calculous gallbladders 20 years after the initial diagnosis of gallstones,
                with the risk increased mainly in men (Maringhini et al 1987).


                REFERENCES

                American College of Physicians 1993 Guidelines for the treatment of gallstones. Annals of Internal Medicine 119: 620–622
                Angelico F, Del Ben M, Barbato A, Conti R, Urbinati G 1997 Ten-year incidence and natural history of gallstone disease in a rural
                population of women in central Italy. The Rome Group for the

                Epidemiology and Prevention of Cholelithiasis (GREPCO). Italian
                Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology 29: 249–254

                Ashur H, Siegal B, Oland Y, Adam Y G 1978 Calcified gallbladder
                ( Porcelain Gallbladder ). Archives of Surgery 113: 594–596

                Attili A F, De Santis A, Capri R, Repice A M, Maselli S. 1995a The
                natural history of gallstones: the GREPCO experience. The
                GREPCO Group. Hepatology 21: 655–660

                Attili A F, Carulli N, Roda E, Barbara B, Capocaccia L, Menotti A,
                Okoliksanyi L, Ricci G, Capocaccia R, Festi D et al 1995b

                Epidemiology of gallstone disease in Italy: prevalence data of the
                Multicenter Italian Study on Cholelithiasis (M.I.COL.). American
                Journal of Epidemiology 141: 158–165


                The natural history of gallstones
                and asymptomatic gallstones
                J.N. VAUTHEY AND P.F. SALDINGER
                32



                Porcelain Gallbladder

                Background: Extensive calcium encrustation of the gallbladder wall variably has been termed calcified gallbladder, calcifying cholecystitis, or cholecystopathia chronica calcarea. The term porcelain gallbladder has been used to emphasize the blue discoloration and brittle consistency of the gallbladder wall at surgery. Some authorities amalgamate the terms and call all calcified gallbladders porcelain gallbladders. The true incidence of porcelain gallbladder is unknown, but it is reported to be 0.6-0.8%, with a male-to-female ratio of 1:5. Most porcelain gallbladders (90%) are associated with gallstones.
                Patients are usually asymptomatic, and porcelain gallbladder is found incidentally on plain abdominal radiographs, sonograms, or CT images. Surgical treatment of porcelain gallbladder is based on results from studies performed in 1931 and 1962, which revealed an association between porcelain gallbladder and gallbladder carcinoma. Porcelain gallbladder is uncommon, and recognizing the clinical and imaging characteristics of the disease is important because of the high frequency (22%) of adenocarcinoma in porcelain gallbladder. Surgery should not be delayed, even if the patient is asymptomatic, because the occurrence of carcinoma in porcelain gallbladder is remarkably high.

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