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  • CDC's own web site hosts the truth behind its influenza lies! (Updated)    RN by John Cullison   6 year  5,924   3 of 3 (100%)  Vaccination Debate
    Subject:   CDC's own web site hosts the truth behind its influenza lies! (Updated)
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    Go take a look now (his articles only remain up for a day or so) at nomorefakenews, where Mr. Rappoport is reporting that the Chiron flu vaccine that has been declared unfit for use by British authorities has nevertheless already been shipped to the United States and is in warehouses, out of the direct control of the CDC and the manufacturer. Given that there's a "shortage" of flu vaccines, do you think greedy dealers will much care about whether or not they should sell the stuff?

    [Update: Whoops. I see anunnaki posted info about this topic three days ago!]

    nomorefakenews is also reporting a very interesting peculiarity. We keep hearing how the flu virus kills some 36,000 people per year in the United States. Take a look at the CDC flu web site, and you can see for yourself that the CDC makes that claim.

    Guess what else you can find at the CDC web site! You can access the raw data and various National Vital Statisics Reports for the United States. The most interesting National Vital Statistics Report available so far is the preliminary report from 2002, which shows the number of deaths for 2002 (estimated) and 2001 (final). Let me cut to the chase. If you open this document and go to page 16, you will see that the number of influenza deaths for 2002 is estimated at 753, and the final total for 2001 is 257. This means that the number of deaths from the flu -- which should have been about 72,000 for the two years combined -- was only 1010.

    [Update: I found the article by John Keller which was Rappoport's source for the statistics. Note that Keller fails to give the URL for the 2002 preliminary report, however. Use the link in the preceding paragraph to get it.]

    The lie that the CDC offers -- 36,000 deaths per year -- is the most blantant example of the CDC operating on behalf of vaccine manufacturers and not the interests of the people. Remember that the next time you hear something from the CDC. Clearly, that 36,000 number does not apply to the United States! The true figure is less than 1/10th that -- in 2001, it was less than 1/100th the figure the CDC reports!

    I've evaluated other data on the CDC web site for the years 2000 and 1999. In 2000, there were 1765 deaths listed from influenza (in the USA). In 1999, there were 1665 deaths from influenza (in the USA). This is nowhere near 36,000 deaths per year that the CDC uses to try to frighten us.

    Another interesting thing about this information is that there is no report of a death from "just influenza". For the three years I have information from the CDC (available here), 1999-2001, in all cases, influenza is never listed as the only cause of death. There are three basic subcategories: influenza plus pneumonia, influenza plus other respiratory manifestations/symptoms, and influenza plus other manifestations/symptoms (I assume these are not respiratory). There is *no* listing for "just influenza"!

    What's more, there are two basic categories. One (J10) is "influenza, virus identified", and the other (J11) is "influenza, virus not idenitifed". In most of the cases of death by influenza, the virus was never identified! So who knows how accurate the numbers we have are! Just take the year 2000's data. There were 60 deaths by influenza where the virus was actually identified. The other 1,705 deaths were assumed to be influenza, but the virus was never found, and remember -- all of them had other symptoms, too. 912 of those 1,705 (over half) were listed as "influenza with pneumonia, virus not identified". Chances are, the pneumonia killed these folks, not influenza.

    Look at the year 2000's data. Skip to pages 1068 through 1071, where the influenza statistics are listed. The "J10" table is the total of all influenza-related deaths where the virus was identified -- 60 total. The other 1,705 deaths (see the "J11" table on page 1070) were assumed to be influenza, but the virus was never found, and remember -- all of them had other symptoms, too. 912 of those 1,705 (over half) in the "J11.0" table -- also on page 1070 -- were listed as "influenza with pneumonia, virus not identified". Chances are, the pneumonia killed these folks, not influenza -- if there was ever influenza in the first place!

    Influenza and pneumonia are different viruses, so there isn't a "progression" between them. Plus, some pneumonia is bacterial instead. How, if someone is suffering from pneumonia, would anyone know if influenza is really there? Can you imagine the staff nurse just writing down "influenza" on a new patient's chart because that's what the patient believed he had, then ultimately the patient dies of pneumonia, and the coroner looks over the chart and decides to choose "J10.0" (influenza plus pneumonia) as the cause of death?

    Without knowing for sure that the influenza virus is involved, all we have is an upper limit on the number of influenza-related deaths. The numbers of actual deaths due to influenza could be much, much lower than the already low numbers that these reports tell us.

    To put it into perpective: if you give birth to or father a child this year, that child is more than 6,500 times more likely to be autistic than he is likely to die from the flu. Or check out page 18 of the preliminary 2002 report, where you can compare drownings (more than 3000 each year), injuries at work (over 5000 each year), complications of medical care (2800+ each year) versus 753 and 257 for the flu. With epidemics like this, we need to outlaw swimming pools and medical procedures and going to work before we try to stamp out influenza.

    About the only fact that CDC gets right in its general reporting is that the elderly and the young are most likely to die from influenza. Sure enough, the biggest spike is in the elderly. For 2001, for example, 2/3 of the deaths from influenza were people aged 75 and up.

    What's worse in the CDC's reporting is that the CDC always lists "influenza and pneumonia" together in its summaries. When reporting the top ten causes of death in the US for 2001, the CDC has "influenza and pneumonia" right there in the top ten (#7 for caucasians and asians, #11 for blacks, #9 for native Americans). Yet, if you took out the influenza part (pneumonia causes well over 60,000 deaths annually) and just made the category "pneumonia", it would still be in the same position (or maybe slip down one) on the list, and "influenza" would be very near the bottom of the list of "everything that kills people"! (Note that HIV is listed as #22 for caucasians at well over 6,000 deaths; coming in at 257 deaths for 2001, influenza -- even if every report was correct, and all 257 deaths were caucasians -- is statistically unimportant.) It's a blatant attempt to keep "influenza" in the top ten!

    What I have to wonder is how many of these deaths occurred in people who were vaccinated. This is a crucial detail that is conveneintly left out. Given that I know of people who get a flu shot every year and then get the flu -- you probably do, too! -- could these elderly folks be dying from influenza because they got a shot and then develop the flu and then die? Don't expect the CDC to offer that information any time soon, folks.

    I'll update this if I find more data.

    =-John-=

    Note: To find the actual information in the huge statistics summaries, click the "binoculars" icon in the Acrobat toolbar in Internet Explorer and search for "J10", or, if you want to save it for yourself, download the PDF's from the CDC (right click the link to the actual document to bring up a menu, and then choose "Save Target As..."), open them in Adobe Acrobat Reader, and use Edit->Find from the menu to search for "J10". This will take you to the "influenza -- virus identified" section. The "J10" table is a summary of all J10 categories. Then there will be two or three tables following it which show the subcategories. If a subcategory has no reports for that year, then there will be no table for that category. "J10.0" is "influenza with pneumonia", "J10.1" is "influenza with other respiratory symptoms", and "J10.8" is "influenza with other symptoms". J10.8 is present for 2000 but not for 1999 or 2001. Following that is the "J11" section, which is "influenza -- virus not identified" section. There are also three subcategories here -- "J11.0" is "with pneumonia", "J11.1" is "with other respiratory symptoms", and "J11.8" is "with other syptoms".

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    Go take a look now (his articles only remain up for a day or so) at nomorefakenews, where Mr. Rappoport is reporting that the Chiron flu vaccine that has been declared unfit for use by British authorities has nevertheless already been shipped to the United States and is in warehouses, out of the direct control of the CDC and the manufacturer. Given that there's a "shortage" of flu vaccines, do you think greedy dealers will much care about whether or not they should sell the stuff?

    nomorefakenews is also reporting a very interesting peculiarity. We keep hearing how the flu virus kills some 36,000 people per year. Take a look at the CDC flu web site, and you can see for yourself that the CDC makes that claim. 36,000 people die each year from influenza, they say.

    Guess what else you can find at the CDC web site! You can access the raw data and various National Vital Statisics Reports for the United States. The most interesting National Vital Statistics report available so far is the preliminary report from 2002, which shows the number of deaths for 2002 (estimated) and 2001 (final). Let me cut to the chase. If you open this document and go to page 16, you will see that the number of influenza deaths for 2002 is estimated at 753, and the final total for 2001 is 257. This means that the number of deaths from the flu -- which should have been about 72,000 for the two years combined -- was only 1010.

    The lie that the CDC offers -- 36,000 deaths per year -- is the most blantant example of the CDC operating on behalf of vaccine manufacturers and not the interests of the people. Remember that the next time you hear something from the CDC. Clearly, that 36,000 number does not apply to the United States! Perhaps the CDC is reporting the worldwide figure, including third world countries, for its better shock value?

    I've evaluated other data on the CDC web site for the years 2000 and 1999. In 2000, there were 1765 deaths listed from influenza (in the USA). In 1999, there were 1665 deaths from influenza (in the USA). This is nowhere near 36,000 deaths per year that the CDC uses to try to frighten us.

    Another interesting thing about this information is that there is no report of a death from "just influenza". For the three years I have information from the CDC (available here), 1999-2001, in all cases, influenza is never listed as the only cause of death. There are three basic subcategories: influenza plus pneumonia, influenza plus other respiratory manifestations, and influenza plus other manifestaions (I assume these are not respiratory). There is *no* listing for "just influenza"!

    What's more, there are two basic categories. One (J10) is "influenza, virus identified", and the other (J11) is "influenza, virus not idenitifed". In most of the cases of death by influenza, the virus was never identified! So who knows how accurate the numbers we have are! Just take the year 2000's data. There were 60 deaths by influenza where the virus was actually identified. The other 1,705 deaths were assumed to be influenza, but the virus was never found, and remember -- all of them had other symptoms, too. 912 of those 1,705 (over half) were listed as "influenza with pneumonia, virus not identified". Chances are, the pneumonia killed these folks, not influenza.

    Note: To find the actual data, download the PDF's from the CDC, open them in Adobe Acrobat Reader -- don't just open them up in Internet Explorer -- and search for "J10". This will take you to the "influenza -- virus identified" section. The "J10" table is a summary of all J10 categories. Then there will be two or three tables following it which show the subcategories. If a subcategory has no reports for that year, then there will be no table for that category. "J10.0" is "influenza with pneumonia", "J10.1" is "influenza with other respiratory symptoms", and "J10.8" is "influenza with other symptoms". J10.8 is present for 2000 but not for 1999 or 2001. Following that is the "J11" section, which is "influenza -- virus not identified" section. There are also three subcategories here -- "J11.0" is "with pneumonia", "J11.1" is "with other respiratory symptoms", and "J11.8" is "with other syptoms".

    About the only fact that CDC gets right in its general reporting is that the elderly and the young are most likely to die from influenza. Sure enough, the biggest spike is in the elderly. For 2001, for example, 2/3 of the deaths from influenza were people aged 75 and up.

    What I have to wonder is how many of these deaths occurred in people who were vaccinated. This is a crucial detail that is conveneintly left out. Given that I know of people who get a flu shot every year and then get the flu -- you probably do, too! -- could these elderly folks be dying from influenza because they got a shot and then develop the flu and then die? Don't expect the CDC to offer that information any time soon, folks.

    I'll update this if I find more data.

    =-John-=

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