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  • Why PeePee Blasts Away At Credibility . . . by cbenghauser   6 year  3,929   4 of 7 (57%)  Master Cleanse Deb.
    • Re: Why PeePee Blasts Away At Credibility . . . by pepe   6 year  3,470   3 of 6 (50%)
    • Re: Why PeePee Blasts Away At Credibility . . .   RR by Zoebess   6 year  3,412   3 of 3 (100%)
      • Re: Why PeePee Blasts Away At Credibility . . . by cbenghauser   6 year  3,194   2 of 3 (66%)
        • Image Embedded Re: treading softly  by Zoebess   6 year  3,157   1 of 2 (50%)
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          Re: treading softly
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          Date: 8/10/2007 1:25:57 PM   ( 6 year ago )
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          Hmmm...I'll most likely never be known for my brevity,
          but I like to hear and tell a good story so I am not a
          word counter. Since you are intending to write a book,
          I did not think you would mind reading a chapter from
          my thoughts on the matter...

          As far as my thoughts on having two feet and jumping in...
          well, one thought comes to mind...as an admonition...
          "Tread Softly". "The world is much bigger than you and I,"
          spoke the sage...

          Of course, my second thought was that you may be one who
          would tread softly but carry a big stick....this little
          blog entry I recently read and saved to ruminate on can
          illustrate the problems which may be associated with leaping
          before you look...or perhaps in stumping when the situation
          is such that it cannot be explained or defined in black and
          white, yes, no, this is the only way/path to healing....

          Ultimately, we all die, and in the middle, we need to be able
          to live with the choices we make or do not make. Some choose
          not to make choices and that IS their choice, although they
          will claim it is not so...

          .......................................................................................

          Intimations of Power

          Everything's natural, in my opinion, but not everything's right. Not everything is a good path, nor a path to success. The only golden-bricked road lies in realizing one's limitations. It lies in staring at your ego in the face and declaring that you are not its monkey, ready to jump through hoops at its behest. For the biggest slave is he who is not free of himself. You can be standing at the gallows, your neck being chaffed in a thick noose, and yet you can be free if you're not a captor of your own being. You can taste from the goblet of freedom...if you can wrestle it away from yourself.

          The biggest wars are not fought between countries, nations or people. The fiercest wars rage within oneself, bloodless and yet as vicious as swirling tornados. He who can come out the better in a fight against himself can rule the world. The ironic thing is that he will have no desire to.

          Power lies not in worshipping one's strength, but in looking at one's weaknesses in the eye, in grimly accepting their existence, and in either vanquishing them or going around them. When somebody stands on the edge of a field laden with landmines, it does him precious little good to scamper across it with his eyes tightly shut. If he's lucky, he won't even hear the explosion that blows his face in. If he's really unlucky, he'll lie writhing in agony, staring at a bloody stump where a leg used to be. But if he's wise, he'll know that he's in bloody deep shit even as he stands on the edge of the minefield, rubbing his clammy palms against his dusty khakhi pants. And with that knowledge comes power. Great power. With that power comes hope. Hope and eventually freedom.

          .........................................................................................

          I am for choice, although choice can be debatable till
          the cows come home and then some too. Relative to health
          choices, I feel I should have freedom to seek health just
          as much as risk takers choose to take risk or some people
          choose to embrace habits which will ultimately destroy
          their health.

          Okay, so I read some of your posting~~and certainly you
          are old school and carry a big stick...

          http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=927637#i

          One can deliver a message in any number of ways and depending
          on which way is chosen, the success of the messenger can be
          gauged. Obviously, I cannot help but wonder how calling
          people morons, or pathetic and undeserving, can be effective
          in the scope of educator or healer. Truth does not need
          defenders but needs people to hold it up. If you have a
          piece of truth to share, share it...but most likely, even
          in debating the AIDS issues, it must be more complex as is
          evidenced that infants (who have not been anally traumatized)
          have the virus cross the blood barrier. However, I am not
          debating your history as a healer or an educator since I know
          little to nothing of you except what you have written and
          such as it is, I am not impressed yet. I would even venture
          to say that it may be the reason you are retired since if
          your passion to heal and educate were strong, you may have
          been inclined to continue as there certainly are doctors
          in their golden years still practicing.

          http://ne.essortment.com/leiladenmark_rimc.htm

          Having said that however, certainly the Debate Forums
          can be places to find pissing parties and obviously
          whether you are into anal sex is not an issue, but perhaps
          a golden shower or two was your forte. As long as it is
          all in good fun, right? Hopefully you were able to discern
          the need for debate forums and the separation of them and
          the Support Forums . It gives people a place to treat others
          with kid gloves rather than the boxing gloves or perhaps
          in your analogy, jumping in with two feet sort of
          encounter. I suppose one finds what one is looking for.
          Certainly, I will even defend myself and have found myself
          in a round or two, although I most likely would not
          characterize it as good fun. I also know from first hand
          experience, that you can lead a horse to water, but you
          cannot make them drink. This awareness has served me well
          and so while sharing my experiences or information I have
          found useful can help me feel like I am part of the effort
          to educate, it is not something which will make or break me.
          What is important to me is that I have the freedom to pick
          and choose what will work for me and that I be allowed to
          do it.

          I had a brilliant internist years ago who constantly kicked
          me down the road to health. Once she even had me stripped naked
          and wired up in a bed such that I looked and felt like
          a christmas tree, electrodes and machines clicking away.
          I trusted her even though I felt she degraded me and I
          learned to hate her in spite of all the education and
          experience she had to offer. She carried a big stick and
          would threaten that if I were to persist in using any
          alternative methods, for example, a chiropractor, which
          she declared all were quacks, she would have to quit me.

          I, of course, was in my own infancy of figuring out that
          there was more than one path to wellness and I did not even
          have a clue then how to find the map except that my mother-
          in-law began to share the ways of her elders which was a
          somewhat oral tradition and I began to use her free advice
          over the doctors. My last two visits to the doctor since
          the only way I could get a prescription was a visit every
          6 months, I had gotten a spot of fungus on my toenail from
          wading in contaminated water. It was dime sized silver and
          unsightly and the girl in me did not want a cruddy toenail.
          My doctor delighted in writing me up some prescriptions which
          my pharmacist was hesitant to fill before asking if I realized
          that just one of them was 500 dollars. No way, I said, I have
          to think on this, to decide if my toe is worth 500 plus dollars.

          I went home and dosed my toenail with tree tea oil and every
          time I sat down to pee, would touch my toenail and tell it to
          go away, I did not need it anymore. At my next 6 month visit,
          my doctor was pleased to see the fungus gone and said, well I
          see you decided your toe was worth 500 dollars as I HAD called
          to ask her if she had a much cheaper alternative to the script
          she had given me. No, I said, I prayed it away. She held my
          foot and turned it over and incredulously declared that my
          healing of my own fungus was "one for the books".

          The point being that even over and above any accomplishments
          which you can boast of over your long illustrious career,
          I still believe and will continue to believe that a mind
          body connection exists and that healing and the seeds of
          healing lie therein. That believing something so or not so
          makes a difference. One needs to be empowered and to help
          empower others to heal themselves and to believe that they
          can do this and also to heal others. In this way, we may
          shift our vibration such that *in the twinkling of an eye*
          we may be a part of the miracle(s) we seek. I also have
          come to realize that people can hold pieces of your healing
          and that perhaps they do not even know it and you may not
          realize it until later, you see that you have learned
          something from them. People like Pepe can seem to rub
          people wrong at first but many come back to thank him when
          they realize that what he had to offer them did help.

          I wish you well on your own healing path. If you still feel
          you have something to contribute, I would encourage you to
          share. If you still feel the need to jump in with two feet,
          you may consider treading softly. We are all kind of crammed
          in here and certainly without the benefit of seeing other's
          body cues and signals, it is easy to find cyber-mines and to
          ruffle egos.

          Sincerely,
          Zoe

          -_-


          ps~~ you're welcome...

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