Re: what does the cross mean to you? by nooley ..... Christianity Debate
Date: 1/27/2005 10:41:21 AM ( 8 year ago)
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Actually, the article, as a whole, makes sense.
I agree with the article, I donít think it was a perfectly made cross out of the finest wood. To them, no one fit for death of the lowest form would be worth the effort. Tree, Cross, Stake, who cares? I, personally, donít look at the cross as the thing he died on anyway. I look at it as his outstretched hands, trying to bring all his sheep together in unity. His outstretched hands trying to give the whole world his undying love. IS that wrong? maybe so. But is the ultimate judge here? NOT me.
I just donít think itís all that relevant in the scheme of things. I donít really care if Jesus was born on Dec. 25th, 2004 years ago. I donít really care about the date that he rose from the dead to sit at the right hand of the Father. Just the fact that he did die as a sacrifice for my sins is good enough for me. And the fact that he rose from the dead to sit at the right hand of the Father is good enough for me. If I choose to celebrate those dates doesnít make that a sin. And who is anyone to make that judgment? As I stated in an earlier post, sometimes my birthday is on a wed. and I choose to celebrate it on Saturday. Does it make it a sin to celebrate the Saturday instead? Is it considered lying? I think not.
Now as far as Pagan symbols are concerned. Just like the debatable issues with hair, head coverings, jewelry and women in the ministry, etc.. I just donít believe God is all that wrapped up with cultural issues. (just my opinion). It is said, you cant get to the Father but through me. Romans says, if you believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that JesusÖetc. (if you need me to get those scriptures I will). I donít see where anything says, if you believe in Jesus and wear a hat, donít wear jewelry, go to church every Sunday, kill an ox, Öetc. then you will get to the Father.
At the last supper, Jesus said take this bread and eat it, it is my bodyÖetc..and saysÖdo this in remembrance of me. (if I misquoted something, please forgive and correct me. Iím not above correction).
Now, it stands to reason to me that if Jesus asks us to do something in remembrance of him, that he would not mind if other things trigger a remembrance of him. HOWEVER, Iím sure that if a true Christian believed in his heart or knew in his heart the symbol of remembrance was a symbol of evil or satan, they would never use it as such. I donít think Iíve ever witnessed (only me here) a Christian holding up a satanic symbol worshipping the one true God.
I guess my point is. Everyday people get wrapped up in everyday living and life that they donít pray or worship as they should. (Iím def. guilty of that one) IF, in my course of the day, I see a cross on someoneís neck and it triggers me to bow my head and give thanks to Jesus for his sacrifice, then I donít have a problem with crosses. (and Iím not talking about idol worshipping, lets not go there) Which do you think God prefers? The thanks for his sonís sacrifice? or an accuser pointing a finger sayingÖ.Ēthatís a pagan symbol, you fake ChristianĒ.? I donít think thatís hard to figure out.
I liked the article. I just think time is better spent on more important issues than researching for days, months and years on whether or not Jesus died on a tree, a stake or a cross.
ďit is a tremendous testament to the lords mercy and patience that he pays any attention at all to those that carry the cross as a symbol of his precious son, let alone refrain from raining fire down upon them as he did in Sodom and Gomorrah.Ē
I donít think you can compare a cross around someoneís neck as a remembrance of Jesusí sacrifice to the acts that went on in Sodom and Gomorrah. After all, the men were having sex with each other, and they wanted to have sex with Godís messenger.
ď in fact, there is no reason he cant decide to do that anyway! who wants to repent?Ē
I agree, there is no reason why he cant do that anyway. He does as pleases him and only him.
If I repent based on that article, wouldnít I be guilty of his conclusion in the article?
his article conclusion:
At the very least, they should research the issue and THEN decide whether they believe in it, instead of automatically believing the propaganda that is fed to them. I encourage people to be free and independent thinkers.
I am a free thinker and I choose to use it as remembrance of thanks for the ultimate sacrifice.
OkÖ.Let the attacks begin. LOL
Have a beautiful day
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