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Re: How much salt are you taking? by Sherpa 49 h 46

I just go by feeling / craving. ... ... I take as much salt as I need / want in food and water. ... ... As I recover, I find my body (as expressed through tastebuds) naturally wants less salt. It’s quite simple and elegantly designed, this body of ours. ... ... Time to live in harmony with it again! ... ... [End]

How much salt are you taking?

by amber1921 59 h 67 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / CFS, ME, C / 4

I’ve been wondering if I take too much... ... ... I have measuring scoops of 1g and I take 4 to 6 of them throughout the day. ... ... It’s 4-6 grams(!!!) of salt. ... ... Makes me feel much better though... ... Usually I get stiff muscles, extreme confusion, low blood pressure, tingling and nerve pain when I skip the salt. ... ... Any advice?... [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by AznDollie 4 days 59

Hey sorry it took me such a long time to get back to you. What tests did you have done so far? Ive taken many tests, but i just recently went to a new endocrinologist that gave me a list of blood tests i have to do. Half of them were the same tests like tsh,cbc, enzymes, etc. There were a few that i haven’t tested, which is always exciting because you just want to figure out absolutely anything thats wrong. He’s making me take an acth test bc the last test was with a dr that knew nothing. I also have an aldosterone test. (dont know what its actually called) i havent done any of the tests o ... [retrieve this message]

TB cause of 20% Adrenal Insufficiency cases in the DEVELOPED world by purplepixie 5 days 532 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / Tuberculos

Think some awareness is needed about how prevalent TB still is in Europe, USA etc...it has not been as severely eradicated as we are lead to believe. ... ... On average 2 people out of every 100,000 in the UK/Ireland contract it. ... ... Hundreds of people in Ireland are diagnosed every year. ... ... Upon further research i then find that TB was the PRIMARY cause of adrenal insufficiency when Thomas Addison was around. ... ... I am finding current stats. of 20-30% of adrenal insufficiency cases are caused by TB in DEVELOPED countries. It’s law for docs to register cases so these stats are fairly reliable. ... ... [retrieve this message]

Re: jfk by amber1921 5 days 137

Thank you for the link Marie ... ... The list of meds that Kennedy was on is pretty scary and indicates that he was on a destructive downward spiral... ... ... But his will to go gon despite the pain is so admirable [End]

Re: jfk by Marie64 7 days 89

http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g35.htm ... ... This is not the one I origanlly saw still searching...but this one is interesting. ... ... Marie [End]

Re: jfk by amber1921 7 days 76

I was wondering about that sort of thing too... ... What about the time before he even became a senator?... ... How did he even come up with the idea of going into politics in the first place? ... Where did all that ambition and motivation come from?... ... ... Really interesting... [End]

Re: jfk by wiredgeneration 7 days 76

I would be interested to hear his story as how he managed the campaign trail to get to present as he probably woukdnt of had all the specialist care when he was just a ’normal’ person.. What a legend to do it though, but yeah Marie you are right about what the after effects of high dose hc would of looked like [End]

Re: jfk by Marie64 7 days 88

HI Amber, ... ... What I understand with JFK through other group I have been on for support of Addison’s Disease. I heard he was given high doses of hydrocortisone throughout the day to keep him going. Plus he had the care of Dr’s right by his side day and night. I beleive he was given injections. But since then they realized that high dose is not good for the body. Sadly he did not live long enough to see what the results of his other health would have been from such high doses. ... ... I have found for myself over the past 4 years I need to listen to the body and blood pressure. My normal bl ... [retrieve this message]

jfk by amber1921 7 days 91 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / CFS, ME, C

When I think that JFK had Addison’s and became president it makes me feel better. ... ... How did he do that?... [End]
Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by omo 8 days 75

Check your dosage, the 900mg is often cited for 2 capsules of 450. [End]
Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by amber1921 8 days 73

I take 900mg Licorice root 3 times a day and there is to have an effect. ... However when it comes to herbs it varies between different manufacturers. [End]
Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by hawskfan9325 8 days 70

I have a source for HC if you want it, feel free to email me. It’s a pharmacy in Australia, they ship right to you :) [End]

Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by Marie64 8 days 71

Hi Brazilianguy, ... ... A big way to tell to is through Blood pressure..with just taking 10-20 mg of hydrocortisone should increase your blood pressure by atleast 5...if your normal was 98/63 (with in 15 minutes ) you should increased to atleast 103/63...Higher dose of 6o should bring your blood pressure much higher...Unless under extreme stress you may need a good dose but I do thing the 60mg would bring it up some under extreme stress. ... ... Marie ... What a shame, was this a local Pharmacy? or online? YOu should report them if this is true...so sad and so dangerous. ... ... [End]

Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by brazilianguy 8 days 79

Just to see if the HC that I bought was real and now I clearly see that is not. I was taking 10mg, then 20mg and I didn’t see any difference then I decided to take a high dosage 60mg HC and 900mg of licorice root. Both are fake products because I took a high dosage of both and didn’t see any difference both are compounding farmacies. [End]

Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by hawskfan9325 9 days 93

Why the hell would you take 60 mgs at once of HC? That’s a pharmacological dose! [End]

Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by brazilianguy 9 days 99

Because I don’t trust in compound pharmacy anymore. I bought licorice root and HC and yesterday I took a very high dosage in the morning 60mg of HC and 900mg of licorice and I didn’t feel anything different so I guess they just took my money. [End]

Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by Marie64 10 days 123

Hi brazilianguy I am actually diagnosed with Addison’s so I do take hydrocortisone on a low dose 10 mg daily. Feel normal..To take 60 mg daily you would feel more anxxious and on all the time..you would not be able to shut down when night comes. I have been there. Plus you will get side effects like face mooning, stomach will look like you have a basket ball underneith a shirt..painful. Why would you ask? ... ... Plus you will want to pretty much eat everthing insight.. ... ... Marie ... ... [End]

Re: What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root by Sherpa 10 days 128

For what’s its worth - I have seen a ”normal” person take licorice and prednesione (for injury, hives, etc) and it seemed to give them a little more energy & vitality. [End]

What if a normal person takes HC or prednisone or licorice root

by brazilianguy 10 days 143 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s

I’d like to know if a normal person taking a dosage for example 10mg of HC the person will feel something different? ... If a person takes 60mg of HC in just one day a normal person without adrenal fatigue the person will feel any side effect? Same thing about licorice and prednisone. [End]

Re: What is the best way to test for electrolyte imbalance? by amber1921 11 days 77

It goes up about 10 points ... From low 50-s to low 60-s which leads me to believe that I’m low not only on cortisol but norepinephrine as well... [End]
Re: What is the best way to test for electrolyte imbalance? by hawskfan9325 12 days 106

I would suspect low aldosterone then. Obviously a lab test would be needed for confirmation. How is your heart-rate when you go from supine to prone? Does it jump a substantial amount? [End]
Re: What is the best way to test for electrolyte imbalance? by amber1921 12 days 96

My diastolic BP is always staying within the 55-60 range. ... I did what you said and the winning number is ... 56 as of this morning;) [End]
Re: What symptoms do you get from salt wasting? by omo 12 days 113

Please note that your message is not in reply to amber192. You replied to saywhatagain’s message instead. ... ... Each message has its own reply link. [End]

Re: What symptoms do you get from salt wasting? by Craig1129 12 days 109

I didn’t really say what I meant to say. I think Addison’s disease is something that is going to be obsolete when doctor’s have a better understanding of what we are all going through. I think you are just like the rest of us. ... ... *I don’t know why I’m double posting instead of editing. I’ll blame the brain fog. [End]

Re: What symptoms do you get from salt wasting? by Craig1129 12 days 119

Marie I don’t know how much weight you put into what I say but I’m going to butt in and say I’ve felt for a long time reading your posts that you’ve been given a lot of bad advice. ... ... I don’t want this to seem like I’m minimizing what you’re going through, but I think it’s very likely you’ve never had Addison’s. If the person that diagnosed you with Addison’s is the same person that said all those symptoms are due to sodium loss (sodium loss is not a cause), I’d be very suspicious of seeing this person again. Just my (unsolicited) opinion.. [End]

Re: What symptoms do you get from salt wasting? by Marie64 13 days 160

Hi Amber, ... ... I had the same issue with the sodium loss. I would actually puff up more then I did when I used salt. I had major issues with sodium loss. I am diagnosed with Addison’s disease as well as the sodium loss. ... ... If you find your sea salt is not working you may want to try Hawaiian Bamboo Jade Sea Salt. I have been able to stabilize my sodium since ridding my body af aluminum. ... ... To test for aldesterone is through a blood test. But the best way I feel to check your cortisol level is a 24 hour saliva test. ... ... Here are the symptoms I had from mild to extreme...extreme was after ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What symptoms do you get from salt wasting? by saywhatagain 13 days 130

Just spoke to my ayurvedic doctor today, he said for me about 3/4 of a teaspoon a day of high quality natural salt is a good amount, don’t know if that would be different for other people. This is approximately what I have been eating anyway and I have never felt like I needed any more than this. [End]

Re: What is the best way to test for electrolyte imbalance? by hawskfan9325 13 days 105

What’s your diastolic BP? Hair is meaningless IMHO. Take your BP lying sitting up on your bed. Take 3 readings in both arms. Average your diastolic and then tell me what that is. If you can’t do that, go to a local store that has a bp machine. [End]

Re: What is the best way to test for electrolyte imbalance? by SeattleK 13 days 129

I found hair to be much more useful. It told me a lot of things in addition to being fairly accurate in electrolytes, it really provides a wealth of information. Make sure to use either ARL or trace elements labs - because they don’t wash the hair. Lots more about this type of thing over in the adrenal fatigue forum. [End]

What is the best way to test for electrolyte imbalance?

by amber1921 13 days 141 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / CFS, ME, C / 4

Hair mineral analysis or a blood test? ... ... My insurance is based in another state so I’ll have to pay out of pocket for either of them. Really hate to do both... ... ... And how can you test aldosterone levels? [End]

Re: What symptoms do you get from salt wasting? by wiredgeneration 13 days 145

talk to Faith Amber, she cured herself of RSWS [End]

What symptoms do you get from salt wasting?

by amber1921 13 days 190 Adrenal Fatigue / CFS, ME, C / Salt / 4 / 5

I recently found out that it’s possible to get water retention when your sodium is low. It’s called euvolemic hyponatremia and it’s due to the secretion of a hormone called vasopressin or ADH (antidiuretic hormone). ... ... Last weekend I was getting puffy and bloated, so I thought I might be eating too much salt and stopped drinking water with sea salt every morning. After two or three days I got even more bloated and puffy everywhere, extremely tired, restless, slightly nauseous, started having pain in all the joints, muscles and bones (especially below the knee), got so confused and disorien ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Great INFO from Dr. Majid Ali by linenup 34 days 244

Good post - Dr. Ali is a wise man. His book Canary and Chronic Fatigue is a good read. For me the issues were parasites which included worms but the most damaging are the protozoa. Leo Galland MD says to look at the gut for the problem (as in parasites) - my blog post about parasites http://patrickrambling-pb.blogspot.com/2012/12/lessons-from-parasites.html ... ... **I should say that chronic infections, toxicity and malnutrition will create the adrenal fatigue ... ... http://patrickrambling-pb.blogspot.com/2012/02/adrenal-fatigue.html ... ... http://patrickrambling-pb.blogspot.com/2012/11/hpa-axis.html [retrieve this message]

Great INFO from Dr. Majid Ali

by Rhonda410 34 days 255 Addison’s Disease / CFS, ME, C / Adrenal Fa / 4 / 5 / 6

... ... The Cushinoid-Addisonian Epidemic ... ... The core message of this brief essay on adrenal health and adrenal deficit is: All chronically dysoxic individuals suffer clinically significant adrenal dysfunction. Dysox is the state of disrupted oxygen signaling and oxygen-driven cellular energetics. This view of adrenal deficiency is significantly different from the prevailing thinking in endocrinology. Endocrinologists, with rare exception, continue to be preoccupied with named adrenal syndrome-Cushing’s syndrome, Addison’s disease, Conn’s syndrome, and Sheehan’s syndrome-as well as pituitary t ... [retrieve this message]

Order of supplements - does it matter how/when I take them? by FranzFan 35 days 126 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / Autoimmune / 4

Hi All, ... ... I am taking various supplements to help support adrenal and thyroid function, both of which are deficient in my case. As such, I am taking many of the familiar array of supplements. ... ... I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on if the following protocol is a sutiable one, or if certain supplements should be taken at different times, or away from other supplements? ... ... - Wake up: 12.5mg iodine, 2 tablets of Nutri Adrena Extra, 1 tablet of high strength vitamin C, water kefir, 5,000 iu Vitamin D ... ... - Before lunch: 12.5m iodine, 2 tablets Nutri Adrenal Extra ... ... - After lunch: 200mcg ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by SeattleTom 55 days 345

Have you thought of going to a Naturopathic Doctor for your adrenal fatigue? A ND can give you a saliva test, which is a far more accurate test for detecting adrenal fatigue than the ones MD’s typically use. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 56 days 319

Hi AznDollie ... Have any Dr’s done an MRI on your Brain and the brain Stem. I think you really need to get to ER and let them know what you just told me about you hands and feet are changing and pigmention. ANd your head shape and not being able to hold it up. ... I am not sure if it is your Pituitury glad or hypotholumus gland that can be causing this. You need to get an MRI to see what is going on with these two glands. ... I am not trying to scare you but I feel it is not just your adrenal glands. Please have you hubby read this too to see what he thinks. :) ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by AznDollie 57 days 326

Thats the first thing i did when i went to the endocrinologist. I set up an appointment with the endocrinologist myself! Well... my husband did, but i have to diagnose myself bc doctors dont have a clue as to why im experiencing all these symptoms. They asked me why i was there, and i told them ”Im here because i think i have Addisons Disease”... The endocrinologist came in the room laughing and asked me why. I told him all my related symptoms to addisons and gave him a legit reason why i think i had it. I told him how i use to take adderall for two years before i got pregnant, then stoppe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 57 days 327

Hi AznDollie, ... ... I know I went through hell and back. Endo’s have no clue about Addison’s Disease. I would not tell any Dr what you think you have some are out to jsut give you meds. ... ... Write a list of symptoms and make sure to mention the fatigue and the tanning that is occuring with out tanning and in the winter. ... ... Dr’s hate when you tell them what you have. If you are not getting any answers or suggestion of testing for the Addison’s disease then I would mention Addison’s disease. ... ... Years ago I got the chicken pox after my children had them. I had them for head to toe. My face w ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by AznDollie 58 days 305

Thank you so much for this. It’s so nice reading someone that understands and how doctors in the US don’t know too much about the adrenals or Addison’s disease. I haven’t taken an ACTH stimulation test, but i did take the ACTH test. My ACTH was low and cortisol was normal... but i’m still not so sure because it was taken at 2pm, when its taken best in the morning. I’ve had just one ACTH test done, and thats why im a little pissed off bc the doctors aren’t looking into it and just stopped from there. I want to look further and take more ACTH tests so I’m waiting for an appointment with a di ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Wich licorice root is better? Chinese or American? by omo 61 days 225

Beware wishful thinking. ... ... Go ahead and test. Make sure to learn as much as you can — if you just look for an easy answer, you are going to be disappointed. Solving your problem will probably require you understand. ... ... Go ahead and test. Chinese and ”American” licorice both contain glycyrrhizin. That’s the substance that matters. Why? Because it slows the breakdown of cortisol. Why does that matter? Because many ”Adrenal Fatigue” sufferers are in a state of ”cortisol shunt”: ... ... Understanding that image will help you solve your problems. [Image Embedded Here] [End]

Re: Wich licorice root is better? Chinese or American? by brazilianguy 61 days 210

There are two others ... ... ”I would like to update you on my success in recovery. My sex drive is getting very strong, also everything else is coming flooding back, Iam 100% at times dropping to 90% at other times, I have been taking LICORICE ROOT FOR A FEW MONTHS, IT TOOK ALMOST 3 MONTHS TO START TO NOTICE CHANGES. I kept telling myself I cannot be damaged these drugs are tested on millions. Also I knew it wasn’t just the sex drive, I never got excited, I never got thrilled, I never got scared, goosebumps or heavy sweating. I used to be quite nervous and sweat alot, all this had gone. As we ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Wich licorice root is better? Chinese or American? by brazilianguy 61 days 229

But I’m sure my adrenal fatigue came from very heavy exercise. ... I will quote some people saying how they fixed their sex drive issues. ... ... ” Prednisone took care of my ED and morning wood completely, E2 never really made a difference.....I had low cortisol” ... ... ”For SIX YEARS the only response from doctors that I got was that I have mental problems causing my symptoms, like loss of libido, ... ED, tiredness, lack of motivation to do things. It was not just one or ... two doctors, but SEVERAL. So yeah, I’m not at all surprised. It seems ... most doctors are either imcompenent or just don’t care. Lucki ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Wich licorice root is better? Chinese or American? by Sherpa 61 days 214

Yeah.. Licorice root is not going to ’heal your adrneals’ or give you a raging sex drive boost. ... ... It is a good for temporary energy / endurance / stress tolerance boosting... AFTER you have done many other things (vitamins, yoga, diet) to address your adrenal issues. [End]

Re: Wich licorice root is better? Chinese or American? by #132242 61 days 229

chinese is better. ... ... if you buy it as part of a chinese formula it will always be an extract. ... ... restoring your libido might be more complicated than popping some licorice root. ... ... my last post was all you needed though, just get ANY extract and not just ground or powdered root. whether or not it is glycerizinated or de-glycerizinated doesn’t matter. the chinese formulas that go back a few thousand years never worried about such processing. ... ... successful use of herbs is very complex, you’re best off going to an herbalist, chinese not american, and the older the better. ... ... the best brand ... [retrieve this message]

Wich licorice root is better? Chinese or American?

by brazilianguy 61 days 231 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / Erectile D

I want to buy licorice root to heal my adrenals. My symptons are: ... ... Zero sex drive ... Very low energy ... Poor concentration ... Always tired ... ... I see many guys restoring their libido with licorice root. So I want to try it too because it is one of my worst symptons. I’m a guy and I’m 20 years old. I have no libido and that’s very bad for a young guy. I saw many guys fixing it with licorice or HC, prednisone etc. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by cappuccinofrost 62 days 366

I had a saliva cortisol done but it didnt do anything with the aldosterone. ... ... Although, I was at an acupuncture guy. He wanted to check the blood tests also . he said that just going over the symptom list I have and the blood he can tell I have low aldosterone. I have low sodium from it. Im taking 1/4 or 1/8 tsp of sea salt a day for that. some times twice. ... ... what did they do for you. I dont even notice a test for that. do any doctors do anything for it. ... ... What did your test reveal and how are you doing now ... ... I want a real doctor that knows what he is talking about. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 62 days 335

Hi cappuccinofrost, ... ... Do you know if you are suffering from low aldesterone also? ... ... That was a major issue for me. ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by cappuccinofrost 62 days 343

Go in to the Doctor and ask if you can have a copy of the cortisol and the other test. I know that if the results fall into the +normal + range then they tell you that nothing is wrong. You can be a point from being on the lowest number and they still tell you that its normal. ... ... My test came back in the normal range but almost at the lowest part of the line. I feel so terrible. I take the cortisol test on paper and I have almost all of those symptoms. I was thinking about having a acth and a dhea test. also things that the adrenal glands make ... ... You have to read lots on ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 62 days 362

Hi Aimee, ... ... I know what it was like ending up in the hospital 4 x’s in 7 months do to low sodium, before being diagnosed. ... ... Not offended :) lol ... ... I just wanted to give you a heads up about the salt tablets. They most likely have aluminum in them, which is very very bad for us who are already weakened. ... ... I use Hawaiian Bamboo Jade Sea salt. No aluminum like the tablets. I have been able to get off the fludrocortisone (for low aldesterone) do to using the HBJ sea salt. I carry a small container around and when I need a little I just take a pinch and swollow with water. I was puttin ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by aimee888 63 days 372

Hi Marie- ... (sorry this is soooo long) ... ... So glad you are getting some relief through diet. Diet was the first big ”A-ha” that helped me. It sounds like you are doing a similar diet. ... ... I instituted something called ”The Virgin Diet” and now it is a true lifestyle change for me. I feel soooo much better. The premise is that you remove the 7 most allergenic foods that irritate the immune system. Some are very surprising but are explained in the book..gluten, soy, corn, eggs, dairy, peanuts, and sugars. You than reintroduce one at a time. Personally, I opted to stay off all 7 items. I ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 63 days 339

Hi Aime888, ... ... Thanks for giving this info. ... ... I am one who suffers Auto-Addison’s and I have that lovely tanning...I am dong NB (Nutritonal Balanicng) and I am down to 10 mg of hydrocortisone daily. I wish others who suffered with Addison’s would do this protocol it is helping me stay pretty healthy . I know a few girls(ladies) who got diagnosed with me and they all are suffering so much do to pains and weight gain. I think this would be very helpful for all who are sick. I am not promised a cure, and If I still need my hydro in the end I am still much healthier then I was 2 years ago. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by aimee888 63 days 404

I have been researching for the last year issues with my health and my daughter’s health that all circle back to the adrenals. As you may know, stress of any kind (medications, food allergies, environment, personal issues, etc...) start to overload your adrenals, which we need to survive. For example, If you are detoxing off meds, that would again be another form of stress. Adrenals pump more and more to ”survive”/”out run” the current stressor. ”They” do not know the difference between an allergy or medication ... ( for ex) causing stress versus a bear chasing one in the wild. ... ... Today ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by Marie64 64 days 180

Hi Guys, ... ... Thanks I will forward this lab to her. ... ... Marie ... [End]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by natway 64 days 160

Oh sorry! But I still ask the question to anybody thinking of getting one of those tests. I did. Spent a lot of money on it. All it did was give my practitioner a reason to sell me more supplements that didn’t do squat. ... ... My point is what is the root cause of our hormones being out of balance? Sure there can be genetic or other causes that’s beyond our control, but if diet is causing it, expensive supplements aren’t going to heal it. ... ... Trying to save a person their money. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 64 days 423

More personal attacks? [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by #155216 64 days 438

I’m not an expert in nutritional balancing or anorexia. ... ... But my point was that if you do have a psychological issue, then it will always come first. ... ... Many people with AF do not have any root psychological issues, their problems started with some sort of physical trauma or infection, or similar event. In these cases then it is pointless to look into psychological root causes. I’m not of the camp that thinks everything comes from the mind/psyche. If you work at the cleanup crew in fukushima unprotected you’re going to get sick, plain and simple, and no counseling will help you. ... ... Som ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by SB1108 64 days 406

155216 - I don’t necessarily agree with your quote: ... ... ”If you have anorexia then you should probably get proper counseling, because no diet is going to fix a psychological issue. Psychology always comes before the physical.” ... ... According to Nutritional Balancing Science a toxicity in one or two minerals can cause you to have severe psychological issues (i.e. copper toxicity = anxiety). ... ... Similarly, a deficiency in a mineral can cause a person to become or feel anorexic: ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17272939 ... http://jn.nutrition.org/content/130/5/1493S.long ... ... The mental illness c ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by SB1108 64 days 176

I also used Diagnos-Tech [End]
Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by #154292 65 days 176

Diagnos-Techs, in Washington state. They were they first lab to do saliva cortisol testing in the US. [End]
Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by Marie64 65 days 195

Thanks Sherpa, I passed it on :) ... [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 65 days 484

HI Anzdollie , ... ... Here is another site that you can hae your salvia test done at. ... http://www.canaryclub.org/advancedplus-thyroid-adrenal-reproductive-test.html ... ... From another person on Curezone who recommend this place. ... ... Marie ... [End]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by Marie64 65 days 177

Hi Natway, ... ... This is not for me. ... ... Marie [End]
Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Craig1129 65 days 427

Yes claiming that people with body image issues and eating disorders are like that because they are not eating enough, is just complete ignorance. Obviously. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 65 days 418

Be sure to tell her what brought you to this forum and if you’ve healed yourself of any of those conditions and that you have a history of misquoting me and taking what I’ve said out of context. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by #155216 65 days 419

If you have anorexia then you should probably get proper counseling, because no diet is going to fix a psychological issue. Psychology always comes before the physical. ... ... ... Also note that many of the people who do the diet that natway is suggesting were anorexic and are still anorexic. Most if not all of them are obsessed with body image. They have NOT dealt with their own issues, and many of them are unable to relate in a healthy way with people outside of their group. ... ... Harley regularly goes on random tirades against just about anyone in the alternative health world, including people t ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 66 days 407

Sleepiness after eating is probably too much fat with the meal. Fat slows digestion. Doesn’t mix well with carbs either. Makes blood sugar higher by blocking glucose absorption into cells. Foods high in cellulose (raw carrots or cruciferous veggies) or combining to many ingredients together can also be hard on digestion. Depends how strong your digestion is. ... ... I eat tons of fruit all day long until evening when I’ll either have a giant salad of cooked meals that would otherwise cause me to feel tired after. Best have your fat in the evening when you’re already winding down. ... ... What ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by AznDollie 66 days 412

Thanks! If I want to figure out my problems, I cant be dishonest with myself or else no one would ever be able to help me. I eat more than 3,000 calories a day. I get sleepy after eating, is that normal? I also max out right before i go to bed every night. ... [End]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by natway 66 days 203

Marie doll, ... ... What do you think the root cause is of all your hormones being out of whack? ... ... Reach deep down inside and the answer will come to you. ... ... All the best ... ... [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 66 days 412

You just found your culprit! Excuse all the skeptical posts from the couple of other posters. A lot of people don’t like me talking about calorie-restriction around here. Maybe they have issue of their own with it. It’s good you’re honest with yourself about it because some issues can’t be fixed if the person is in denial about it. ... ... You now know the problem, so now you can get on with the solution. Just follow the advice in my first post. The high-carb/low-fat diet will allow you to reach your calorie goals without gaining excess weight. ... ... It’s possible you might gain a little mor ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by Sherpa 66 days 242

I got mine done at Canary Club - http://www.canaryclub.org/advancedplus-thyroid-adrenal-reproductive-test.html ... ... and I got good phone support and shipping on time from them. ... ... I also got a consultation with Dr. Richard Shames, who promotes this company. It was pretty good. He interpreted my test results and gave me some insight into my problems... and he evaluated my nutrient protocol and gave me some suggestions. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 66 days 416

Hi Anzdollie, ... ... Here is a lab that is recommended from another on curezone. ... ... ZRT lab I would get the Diurnal Cortisol (C1, C2, C3, C4) (Saliva) test they charge $138. ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by Marie64 66 days 192

Thanks :) ... [End]
Re: Best place to send in for a salvia test by ericbakker 66 days 203

Hi There, ... ... ZRT Labs are one of the best in your country to assess salivary cortisol/DHEAS levels. [End]

Best place to send in for a salvia test

by Marie64 66 days 216 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s

HI Guys, ... ... We have some on curezone in need of help and I suggested a salvia test for cortisol levels. Can anyone recommend where to get it done and a web site. ... ... Thanks, ... Marie [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by AznDollie 66 days 493

i have never been diagnosed with it but im sure i have it, because i was like that as a child. I was always obsessing about my weight and to stay small. I would feel guilty after eating and work out to burn it all. Crash dieting every month. I would eat a lot but also starve for a day to lose weight. My mother was always complaining about her weight even though she was skinny and would also tell me not to get fat like other people. So i developed anorexia nervosa at a very young age. I would drink diet tea and take diet pills so that i could eat whatever i wanted. i went into the sauna eve ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by AznDollie 66 days 428

Thank you so much! Do you know the best website to order that saliva test you mentioned? ... [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, many other problems. Feeling hopeless. by brazilianguy 66 days 252

I don’t know if you just wrote it to me or it was a copy message. But try to use adaptogens or hydrocortisone if you live in the US, If you’r low in cortisol that would help. I don’t know much about it. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 67 days 496

Um, I know. Those responses of mine where to answer Craig1129’s questions. ... ... But it doesn’t really matter. Calorie-restriction, whether accidental or intentional (anorexia), will have the same negative effects on the body if done long enough. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by fectoid2 67 days 446

Hi AznDollie, ... ... One of the responders to your post is implying that you have an eating disorder, more specifically Anorexia Nervosa. You never mention that in your post. Have you been diagnosed as having an eating disorder? ... ... [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by fectoid2 67 days 458

She never said that she was diagnosed with Anorexia Nervosa [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 67 days 440

If she’s not getting enough calories, it’s the only thing that’s going to help her!!! ... ... calories = energy ... calories = nutrition (except for empty calorie foods) ... ... But nutrition does not always equal calories. See how far you can get on a Multiple Vitamin and water alone. [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 67 days 466

After eat one meal, or after eating enough calories per day for enough days that the body senses its out of danger of starvation? There’s also lot of other causes for the Fight of Flight response. ... ... Other notes of interest: ... ... It is possible that anorexic people are chronically in an acute state of stress reaction - they are constantly in a fight or flight state of mind. ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/259226.stm ... ... Negative effects of the stress response in humans ... The stress response halts or slows down various processes such as sexua| responses and digestive systems to focus on th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Craig1129 67 days 473

So I guess your answer to my first question is that our fight or flight response is because our body is saying ”go look for food?” So then why don’t we immediately go back to equilibrium when we eat? ... ... What about the 2nd question? [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by SeattleK 67 days 466

we can all sympathize. Hang in there. ... ... Sure, get more calories like Natway says, it can’t hurt and it might even help, but that is oversimplification of the kinds of issues that are at play. ... ... The adrenals are certainly a possible source of the problem, but the body is so interconnected that there are lots of systems in play. thyroid, digestion, immune system, adrenals, pituitary, brain chemistry etc etc. An imbalance in one can cause imbalances in the others as they compensate. ... ... Long story short, you will have to unravel this issue layer by layer. I would recommend going to a good l ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 67 days 486

Hyperactivity and anorexia nervosa: behavioural and biological perspective ... Anorexia nervosa is an eating disorder defined by a symptomatic triad, anorexia, emaciation and amenorrhoea. This disease mainly affects young women. Besides these three symptoms, hyperactivity is often associated with anorexia nervosa. ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15627053 ... ... Q: I’m curious to know why some patients with anorexia nervosa (AN) develop marked behavioral hyperactivity, as in excessive motor movements and compulsive exercise, whereas others are much less inclined to be so physically active. ... A: ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by fectoid2 67 days 462

I never was diagnosed with Adrenal Insufficiency, but I did suffer from Candidiasis and won the battle. I found this website which may provide you with some leads or new information. ... ... http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/candida-questionnaire ... ... Best Wishes [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Marie64 67 days 469

Hi AznDollie, ... ... I am diagnosed with Auto-immune Addison’s disease. ... ... WHat I would like you to do is take your blood pressure sitting and then standing..give me both numbers. ... ... Plus while standing take your pulse (heart rate) if heart rate is high it can mean you are low on sodium. ... I suffer low sodium issues ( low aldesterone). ... ... I understand about ENdo’s oboy...I went through hell before being diagnosed. ... ... You may want to get a salvia test...this will show your cortisol level throughout the day..You have to order it over the internet. ... ... Marie ... Hope you get some answers, don’t g ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by Craig1129 67 days 494

Natway it’s clear that you are posting no longer from a place of possibilities and suggestions but from certainty. So then your understanding would have to hold up against questioning right? ... ... How do you explain how not having enough calories, and therefore not enough energy, relates to sympathetic nervous system activity (increased heart rate, constant adrenaline, etc)? This is a sign of INCREASED energy usage. ... ... Throughout our history as a race there have been times where large groups of people were malnourished or fasted for long periods of time. Are we to assume that these people ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 67 days 485

Forgot to post this link for you: ... ... Before diagnosing yourself with Adrenal Fatigue, be sure that you are not, in fact, starving yourself ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2045371#i [End]

Re: Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope. by natway 67 days 528

I’ll save you a lot of time and trouble. You’re not getting enough calories. Calories = energy. Nutrients are reflected by how many calories you’re getting per day. Low calorie = low nutrients = malnutrition. It’s really that simple. ... ... To be an active person: ... ... FEMALES: at least 2,500 calories per day ... MALES: at least 3,000 calories per day ... ... The World Health Organization says anything under 2,100 calories per day is starvation. ... ... I prefer a high-carb/low-fat diet like 80-10-10, Starch Solution, or Engine 2 diet myself. ... ... To help you calculate you daily calorie and nutrient total ... [retrieve this message]

Adrenal insufficiency, and many other problems. Looking for hope.

/40 by AznDollie 67 days 625 Adrenal Fatigue / Anger / Arthritis: / 4 / 5 / 6

http://curezone.com/upload/Blogs/tn-422580171.jpeg ... ... 22 years old. ... ... I was a healthy girl to a girl with a ton of scary unexplained problems. I started to notice changes a few years ago, and have been getting worse. It started with my skin changes, and how dark it would get within a few hours after taking adderall. It really bothered me because it wasn’t a normal tan. It was dark brown and muddy/ bronze. I would get super yellow/orange on top the tan. It was like a perfect stain on my fingers, and knuckles. Then my feet started to become like that and my entire body was tan. I don’t go ... [Image Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Adrenal insufficiency, many other problems. Feeling hopeless.

by AznDollie 67 days 297 Addison’s Disease / Abuse Phys / Mystery / 4 / 5 / 6

... ... ... 22 years old. ... ... I was a healthy girl to a girl with a ton of scary unexplained problems. I started to notice changes a few years ago, and have been getting worse. It started with my skin changes, and how dark it would get within a few hours after taking adderall. It really bothered me because it wasn’t a normal tan. It was dark brown and muddy/ bronze. I would get super yellow/orange on top the tan. It was like a perfect stain on my fingers, and knuckles. Then my feet started to become like that and my entire body was tan. I don’t go tanning, or outside. I stayed inside and kept get ... [Image Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by AdrenalSuccess 68 days 351

I agree 100% with Sherpa. Did the same thing, worked great for me! ... ... (also seemed to reduce stress back then too as it gave the right amount of cortisol.) [End]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by brazilianguy 70 days 379

But did you have any libido problem? Because I see many men restoring their erectyle function and libido treating just their adrenal fatigue. Is the capsule version of licorice root has the same effect of the tea? I will paste here some information. ... ... ”Prednisone took care of my ED and morning wood completely, E2 never really made a difference.....I had low cortisol ... ... For SIX YEARS the only response from doctors that I got was that I have mental problems causing my symptoms, like loss of libido, ... ED, tiredness, lack of motivation to do things. It was not just one or ... two doctors, but SEV ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by Sherpa 70 days 343

BrazillianGuy, ... ... Licorice is strong stuff. Using it too often, or too strong, can make AFS worse and cause crashes. ... ... That’s why I like tea. You can take EXACTLY as much as you need at the moment. ... ... I ’think’ Chinese and American licorice both contain the active compounds. ... ... Just get licorice that does not say ’deglyzericed’ and you’ll be OK. ... ... ... I personally never noticed any libido enhancement. It just increases me stamina and mood for regular actives. ... ... ... [End]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by brazilianguy 70 days 343

Thank you so much dude. But do you know if I can find it in capsules too? Because I think its easier to take it while I’m working at the office. Or when I’m not home. ... ... This guy fixed all his libido problems taking licorice root so I want to know if I can fix it just taking licorice also I know some guys who fixed their problems just with HC or just with prednisone etc. ... ... http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20101203/msgs/972934.html ... ... As for pregnenolone and DHEA I know that DHEA can increase estradiol and thats bad and also decrease cortisol. NDAH never heard before. Vitamin D I will start ta ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by Sherpa 70 days 363

In my case (severe AFS) the capsules of licorice root powder was too strong. I took like 2 grams of root power capsules... got ’wired’ and could not sleep. Took 500mg and also a bit strong. ... ... Best method: Get regular (non-deglycerized) Licorice Tea in a teabag, add it to 175 ml of boiling water ... ... After it cools, add it to a small water bottle and sip it slowly throughout the day as needed. Just a large sip will give me a boost for a couple hours. It is delicious and naturally much sweeter than sugar. And sipping the tea is not to harsh on the system... has never caused me a crash or pro ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by brazilianguy 70 days 318

But you didn’t tell me if is DGL or not. I’m don’t know anything about licorice root how to take it and you gave me little to almost nothing of information [End]

Re: Licorice Root What kind to take by #132242 70 days 349

Any brand is fine just so long as it is an extract and not the plain root. The exracts are usually dark brown/black in color. For some reason the plain root can cause blood sugar problems with people. [End]

Licorice Root What kind to take

by brazilianguy 70 days 363 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / Erectile D

Hi I’m from Brazil and I have adrenal fatigue. I’m a man, I don’t know what kind of licorice root I should take. Can someone please help me? I read that it can’t be the DGL licorice. What is the best kind of licorice to take? What form, pills, powder, tea? Does it really decrease testosterone? Because my main problem with adrenal fatigue is lack of libido, morning erection, Erectyle Dysfunction (ED) and I see many guys fixing all of it and also returning their energy back. ... ... How much mg to take to [End]

Re: Time Out by Faith110 77 days 354

Good for you Patrick. I’m sorry to see that a few rude people have completely ignored the concept of your thread and are trying to give you ”advice” again. I feel the same way about the forums at times, and that is exactly the reason why. I wish you the best of luck and healing. Keep your faith strong and your mind focused :) [End]

Re: Adrenaline - daily reality check by fectoid2 78 days 337

You don’t bring anything legit either. Durianrider? C’mon. Graham, the king of financial opportunists? [End]
Re: Time Out by Marie64 78 days 382

Good Luck Hawkfan...it is good to take a break. I needed to a while ago. It helps. ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Time Out by natway 78 days 370

Hunger is a sign of not getting enough calories. If you are getting enough calories, those hunger feelings could be symptoms of Toxic Hunger like I had caused by a low-carb/meat-based diet. ... ... That’s why I personally recommend you try a sufficient calorie high-carb/low-fat diet first since you said you’ve eating more meat-based before and also mentioned you suffer from some psych problems. Low-carb diets worsen those kind of problems. The brain wants carbs for fuel first, will resort to fat for fuel as a backup but fat is a slower method for fuel. That’s why I believe Mother Nature mad ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Time Out by Johny Apple Bomb 78 days 360

Yeah. I feel hungry almost constantly some days. It’s so uncomfortable. I pretty much eat high fat, high protein as it is. I guess I better cut out almost all carbs then or something. It’s pissing me off. ... ... JAB ... Q: I’m going to do this diet, but not eat as much sugar. ... ... A: Good luck. I believe that sugar is one of the most important aspect of HAIR LIKE A FOX. The ... liver needs to be properly fueled with sugar to detoxify estrogen, convert thyroid hormones, and to store ... glycogen. [End]

Re: Time Out by hawskfan9325 78 days 367

Re: Time Out by natway 78 days 372

It’s basically like this, fat and sugar don’t mix well, so you either have to go low-carb/meat-based or low-fat/plant-based. Coming off the SAD diet, either of those diets should make a person feel better and if someone was calorie-restricting on a plant-based diet, the higher-calorie meat-based diet is of course going to start making them feel better. ... ... I personally think low-carb/meat-based will cause problems in the long run as a lot on here who didn’t eat a plant-based diet properly got better after going low-carb, but are now starting to develop problems on it. I was one of them. ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenaline - daily reality check by natway 78 days 268

Don’t be afraid of cronometer WG, it’s your friend. [End]
Re: Time Out by Johny Apple Bomb 78 days 348

http://www.extremehealthradio.com/ep-28-danny-roddy-sugar-is-healthy-reversing-hair-loss-naturally-boosting-thyroid-hormones-health-with-diet-10-28-2012/ [End]

Re: Adrenaline by natway 78 days 240

Plenty and stuffed myself daily are subjective terms. I felt like I was stuffing myself when first going plant-based on Fuhrman’s Eat to Live diet, eating tons of salad all day and I was stuffing myself because it was a large volume of food I wasn’t used to, but I didn’t realize it was low in calories until I started dropping weight fast. Even after catching my mistake and eating higher-calorie fruits and starches, it’s still hard to get the amount of calories I would like even though it feels like I’m eating twice as much as I used to! ... ... The reason I’d like to know how many calories yo ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Time Out by Johny Apple Bomb 78 days 365

This is a sample. Gelatin and calcium are other supplements used. ... ... Everything is cooked in processed coconut oil. Only saturated and coconut oil are considered good fats. ... ... Breakfast ... ... 2 eggs scrambled ... glass of orange juice ... glass of coffee ... glass of milk with plenty of sugar and salt ... ... Snack ... ... 1 carrot per day to kill off unwanted yeast etc in lower intestine. ... ... ... Lunch ... ... 8 to 10 ounces of Beef ... glass of milk with sugar and salt added. ... glass of coffee to stop absorption of iron ... ... Dinner ... ... 2 cups of cottage cheese or high quality cheese. ... ... glass of Milk mixture ... glass of ora ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Time Out by hawskfan9325 78 days 341

Yeah. I certainly think I do lol. What type of diet did you implement? I am having trouble figuring out what to do. [End]

Re: Time Out by Johny Apple Bomb 78 days 377

I think judging from your posts you have hormonal problems. This can be corrected with diet. ... ... I’ve been implementing the PDF book ”Hair Like a Fox”. Now I know what hormones I want to decrease or increase. And I can add or remove certain foods to do so. ... ... Many of the healthy foods I was eating were effecting my hormones in a negative way. [End]

Re: Time Out by lalobear 78 days 552

Hey Hawksfan, ... Awesome! I know what you mean by needing a break from the forums. It can be draining as the quest for healing takes your mind in so many directions with all the different info you get here. Invaluable for sure but sometimes taking a step back is necessary to get moving forward instead of second guessing every time we read something new and wonder if we should be doing that instead. ... Focus is key here. ... Take care....rest well....you will heal. Looking forward to reading your posts again when you return. [End]

Re: Time Out by wiredgeneration 78 days 417

Right on brother. Seriously thinking of doing the same, the sick leading the sick en all ;) ... ... Take care of yourself, FB me if it gets tough! [End]

Time Out

by hawskfan9325 78 days 500 Adrenal Fatigue / Anxiety / Addison’s / 4 / 5

... Hey guys..I wanted to thank you all thus far for the help. I am going to be taking a break from the forums to focus solely on healing. I find that these forums are great, but they also feed into my OCD/Stress/Anxiety. I am concerned that if I keep spending time on here, I will never fully heal. I’ll come back and visit though in a few months. Please feel free to email me at hawksfan9325@gmail.com to stay in touch. ... ... ... ... I need a time-out. The energy spent researching new symptoms could be spent healing, plus some of the mis-information on here is out of control. I know tha ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenaline by omo 78 days 257

The adrenaline secreted by terrorized animals at slaughterhouses is a long protein chain some of whose links survive cooking ... ... Adrenaline looks like a pretty simple molecule. I didn’t think it came in other forms. Could you link us to something that shows another form? [End]

Re: Adrenaline by omo 78 days 258

Make sure you pay attention to the direction(s) of effect. That’s a very important fundamental science issue. ... ... http://www.criticalthinking.org.uk/tigerrepellantrock/ ... ... ... Though I personally think that yes, correlation does imply causation. It just doesn’t prove it. But the more correlation you have, the more likely there’s some causal relationship. If you see A and B together all the time, maybe A causes B, or maybe B causes A, or maybe something causes both of them. ... ... The article you link says ... Temporally, the adoption of a vegetarian diet, on average, tended to follow the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenaline by Sherpa 78 days 263

Naway, ... ... I ate PLENTY calories in my vegan diet... stuffed myself daily. Also suffered from accelerated catabolism, mineral imbalances and especially DHA deficiency. [End]

Re: Adrenaline - daily reality check by wiredgeneration 78 days 269

Now now children, no one really listens to either of you, maybe you should start a forum of your own to battle out your cronometers, debatable AF and fluke wormsand leave this section without your angst and constant opinion offering :) [End]

Re: Adrenaline by #92617 78 days 259

Speaking from personal testimony, lots of anger can be reduced by not eating meat as a schizophrenic. A chemical anger and side effect of the medications mixing with the chemicals in meat. ... ... Different than akathisia which I kind of got rid of with the help of magnesium b6 lecithin and the passage of time. [End]

Re: Adrenaline - daily reality check by natway 78 days 278

Reality checks? Get any of your flukes, worms, or whatever parasites you think you have confirmed by a legit doctor or lab yet? ... ... Until then I’m going to keep ignoring you. [End]
Re: Adrenaline by natway 78 days 276

All I can say is I’m having a hard time finding a failed plant-based dieter that didn’t calorie-restrict. [End]

Re: Adrenaline - daily reality check by #155216 78 days 291

Have you recovered from adrenal fatigue or your gall bladder problems? ... ... People with gall bladder issues always have problems with fat digestion. ... ... So you must have very severe gall bladder issues if you cannot handle any fat at all. Perhaps you are going about things in the wrong way, avoiding fat instead of trying to heal your organs that are compromised. ... ... Additionally, all of this vegan talk is not specific to adrenal fatigue. So far all you have claimed is that you healed your pseudo-hypoglycemia (whatever that means) ... ... The people in the adrenal forum who have healed have all eate ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenaline by SeattleK 79 days 270

One important note I might add is that meat contains some nutrients that can be difficult to get elsewhere especially for vegetarians. Meat has a lot of iron, zinc, and magnesium. Healthy fats too. ... ... My opinion is that a lot of vegans can get into trouble if they don’t take steps to make sure they find these nutrients elsewhere in their diet. Vegetarianism can lead to copper toxicity for this reason. That certainly doesn’t mean it can’t work for ppl that replace these nutrients with other sources. [End]

Re: Adrenaline by natway 79 days 285

That article actually supports what I’ve been saying all along that calorie-restriction is the real danger of vegetarian diets and that’s what causes or worsens mental problems. It’s from the lack of carbs & calories needed to fuel the brain. All the people I’ve seen here that said they failed on a veggie diet fell into the category of calorie-restriction, but no one wants to admit it. ... ... ”it certainly doesn’t say that vegetarianism causes mental health problems.” ... ... ”vegetarianism has been linked with higher rates of depression, anxiety, and particularly eating disorders (bingeing, rest ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenaline by natway 79 days 269

How many calories were you averaging per day on your old vegan diet? That can make all the difference in the world between healthy and not healthy. Too much fat also. [End]

Re: Adrenaline by Sherpa 79 days 313

I am skeptical of the claims made by the original poster. ... ... I’m a former vegan and I do NOT recommend animal-protein-free diets to most people - except maybe as a TEMPORARY weight loss acceleration phase for obese people. I certainly do not recommend it for anyone suffering from AFS. [End]

Re: Adrenaline by blankets 79 days 298

”Vegetarians vegans and fruitarians have much lower ... rates of mental illness or alleged mental illness.” ... ... Source? ... ... top result on google for ”mental health vegan” is the link below, which seems to contradict your claim. ... ... http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201211/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your-mind ... ... [End]

Re: Adrenaline by #155216 79 days 315

Have you recovered from adrenal fatigue? ... ... My personal experience is that vegans are the least mentally balanced people. ... ... Anyway, if you have information about adrenal fatigue then please post it, otherwise stop the spam. ... ... [End]

Adrenaline

by frugivorous 79 days 377 Schizophrenia / Anger / Addison’s / 4

The adrenaline secreted by terrorized animals at slaughterhouses is a long protein chain some of whose links survive cooking... and their biochemical fright, anger and terror affects those who eat animal or fish flesh. Vegetarians vegans and fruitarians have much lower ... rates of mental illness or alleged mental illness. ... ... There are billions of dollars for the pharmaceutical industry, hospitals and doctors in convincing people falsely that they are schizophrenic. ... ... People who might be hearing the voice of God as have many masters and saints of many paths are told they must be crazy. ... ... Th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Licorice Root by sallysue 81 days 324

I had an ND put me on licorice extract for my low cortisol. She had me take 1/4 tsp 3 times a day. Triple the amount recommended on the jar. Within a few weeks I noticed strange symptoms. My heart was pounding, I felt really irritable, anxious, and angry, and nauseated. I wasn’t sure what it was from because she also had me on DHEA at the same time. I told her my symptoms and she told me to INCREASE both the Licorice and the DHEA. I thought this was plain WRONG. I stopped taking both. I also stopped seeing her. ... I soon discovered on the internet others getting these symptoms from ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Adrenal fatigue doctors in Toronto, Scarborough, Durham Area (Canada) by AdrenalSuccess 87 days 200

A lot more to it Lalo. The recommendations depend on your exact symptoms, which of course indicate your exact issue. ... ... Call her. ... ... [End]

Re: Adrenal fatigue doctors in Toronto, Scarborough, Durham Area (Canada) by lalobear 88 days 178

Adrenal Success, ... I have looked into this doctor a bit since you gave me the info. Does she mostly deal with AF by playing with Niacin and things like that or was there more to it in your case? (in a nutshell) ... Sorry I can’t remember all you told me. [End]

Re: Adrenal fatigue doctors in Toronto, Scarborough, Durham Area (Canada) by AdrenalSuccess 89 days 254

Absolutely the Doctor to go to is Dr Tracy Malone. ... 416 972 0110 ... ... In Toronto, near Royal Ontario Museum. [End]
Re: Adrenal fatigue doctors in Toronto, Scarborough, Durham Area (Canada) by cherimoya83 3 mon 208

Nobody? [End]

Adrenal fatigue doctors in Toronto, Scarborough, Durham Area (Canada)

by cherimoya83 3 mon 219 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / Hyperthyro

Hi, ... ... I hope you can help me here. I am searching for a doctor who deals with Adrenal Fatigue in Toronto, Scarborough, Durham Area.. The only doctor who treats is Dr.Dierenstein but he is no longer accepting new patients. ... ... I hope here is somebody from Toronto or from surrounding areas who knows somebody who can deal with that. ... ... Thank you very much. [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by wiredgeneration 3 mon 218

Hey Marie, ... ... I will do that! I do add sea salt to everything but havent drank it for a while so will give it a go....I pee every 20-30 minutes anyway,but ill monitor it more when trying more magnesium! Looking forward to receieving the hair test results just to see whats going on...its been almost two weeks, I cant imagine the UK ARL are that busy so should be soon hopefully.I emailed Thersa Vermon as well as im not convinced the uk practioner i ordered the test through.. ... ... M [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 232

Faith110, ... ... I forgot how bad it was..lol glad to be off the fludrocortisone. Yea I remember now how bad my head was and dizzy with that stuff. ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Faith110 3 mon 190

Oh yeah that stuff was horrible. I took it for three weeks and decided that I would rather suffer than take another one. It made my hands and ankles swell like I had elephantitis! It was painful to walk. Plus it made me even more dizzy than I already was, and made me feel like everything was bloated and full, including my brain! HBBJ sea salt was a life saver [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 193

Hi Purplepixie, ... ... Hey the hydrocortsioen saved my life... It did help me to get from point A to point B. Just don’t exspect it to heal you. ... You have to do what you have to do, we do not live inside of you. Just my advice try to stay on a lowest dose you can. You may do good on 10 or 20 no one know until you try it. ... ... Good Luck keep us posted. ... Marie [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by purplepixie 3 mon 197

Thanks for the imput....it’s really intriguing the reactions people have to cortisol replacement. Some say it’s a lifesaver - others talk about getting other symptoms! ... ... I’ve been doing Celtic Sea Salt for months - in water - liberally on food. The NB type diet also for a few months now. Very little change in symptoms. ... ... All stressors have been removed from my life also for months now - i’m literally living in a box of solitude and quiet! ... But i want to get on with SOME element of living aside from the bare minimum - these symptoms enshroud me, completely debilitating me most days. ... ... L ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 212

Faith110, ... ... That was the worst the fludrocortisoen...I could not stand that stuff ans was so terrified of getting infections and illness from that...so glad to be off. :) ... ... Actually the hydrocortisone brought on more anxieties..it was a bitch I flet like i needed more and more..i was never good on them..but I am alive :) ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 206

Hi WIredgeneration, ... ... It sound like you are loosing sodium when you take the magnsium. If you try the magnesium again at night try taking sea salt in before bed to see if that helps. Do you take notice you are urinating more whilte taking the magnesium? ... ... Marie [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Faith110 3 mon 206

I never was on Cortef, but I can say that Florinef was one of the worst experiences of my entire life. Marie would know better than me on this subject, but I have heard from many about the nasty side effects of HC- bone issues, worsened immune deficiencies, and atrophied adrenals. I know some people with Addison’s absolutely need it, but that’s pretty much for them to stay alive. No one ever says that they were doing jumping jacks while on it. ... ... As far as the glandulars, they make me feel like I want to rip the skin off of my body so I stay away from them. From my experience, only those w ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by wiredgeneration 3 mon 205

Just by making that bridge you have done amazingly, such an inspiration! ... ... I long for the parasympathetic like I long to be able to practice Karate again! I have terrible reactions to magnesium to cant really take it, if i take it at night it gives me restless legs..I use the oil daily, but it makes me sweat and crash heavily most of the time. :( [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 212

Hi Wiredgeneration ... LOL that you said that aobut the low cortisol. I use to have this issue with sleep even when I was low. SO chances are I was normal to slight high during the evening..This was before I knew about all these tests. ... Now I take 200-400mg magnseium and I am out form 10 pm-6:30am with out any bathroom breaks. But I am in parasymnpathetic now. I was in sympathetic and boy my adrenlin would not shut off. Now it is just straight line. Plus when I get a little rush come on (Not often) I can feel it and control it. wow I have come a long way,,but long way to go :) ... ... Mari ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by wiredgeneration 3 mon 230

Hey Marie, ... ... I think the insomnia all starts with high cortisol, I was going to sleep ok but waking 3-4 hours later with my mind worrying about everything...it just went downhill from there. Interestingly the ASI test I did about 8 months after it all started, showed very low all day then in range before bed. ... ... These days i can barely get to sleep, impossible without Trazodone, even still I wake up 1-2 hours later with it...the Trazodone chills the mental chatter for a few hours but has nasty side effects, so i dont know whats worse anymore!, so I drift in and out until 4-5am then get fu ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 226

Hi WIredgeneration, ... ... Are you restless at night or just can’t sleep? ... I suffered 15 years ago with those sleepless nights that is when I must have been high cortisol..it was like just can’t shut those eyes...or mind off. Until I started to change over and retain fluids..had no clue why back then but now low cortisol. ... ... Have you had a salvia test done to see when cortisol is low? ... ... marie [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by wiredgeneration 3 mon 234

Its so strange, we have identical symptoms, yet I dont sleep and you sleep lots! I need some of your parasympatheticness :) ... ... I never tried hormones as such, but did use Isocort for a while...it definitely gave me more energy, but I was shot gunning them on advice from a bad ND...like instead of being told not to go mountain biking, I would go and take a bucket load of isocort to keep me going. No wonder i am so damaged these days! ... ... Did you send off for your ASI? ive just sent off for one, just to see how bad things are [End]

Re: Cortisol replacement advice wanted by Marie64 3 mon 230

Hi Purplepixie, ... ... I was put on cortisol replacement to support life. ... It did not make my stress levels better. It really just kept me alive. ... ... What gave me some eneergy was keeping my sodium up plus less stressed and less weakness. I would suggest trying some good sea salt on all veggies and proteins eaten. The best salt that worked for me is the Hawaiian Bamboo Jade sea salt. Very high in minerals. ... ... ... I am still not off the hydrocortisone(cortef) I may never be off of it all together. TIme will tell. ... ... What helped me balance my anxieties and stress the most is Nutritonal Balan ... [retrieve this message]

Cortisol replacement advice wanted

by purplepixie 3 mon 270 Adrenal Fatigue / HRT / Addison’s

Hi all, ... ... For those who are at adrenal exhaustion stage (low cortisol) and have used HC or Cortef/Isocort: ... ... Did you start to feel better with using these supplements? Or do you regret using them and why? ... What symptoms were relieved by using cortisol replacements? ... ... I am considering trying these methods due to not making much progress in energy levels and symptoms. I literally have one energetic day out of 30. It’s been 6 months like this. I still have zero tolerance to ANY stress. I would consider using corisol replacement as an aid to eventually wean off of once other body systems a ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Hormone testing - best time for females? by purplepixie 3 mon 307

That sounds logical - to test at various points in the month giving an overall picture. ... ... Diagnostech labs want 122 dollar just for shipping to Europe, i dread to think how much the tests are. It’s annoying that many labs require one to go through a practitioner instead of ordering direct. ... ... [End]

Re: Hormone testing - best time for females? by SB1108 3 mon 395

The saliva test I used required me to take samples over 10 times throughout my cycles. Each day that I was supposed to test was indicated on the instruction form. ... ... I used diagnostechs labs. [End]

Hormone testing - best time for females?

by purplepixie 3 mon 388 Adrenal Fatigue / HRT / Hypothyroi / 4

Hi, ... ... I’m looking at doing a full saliva hormone panel. ... ... Considering the monthly jingle with hormone fluctuations in women - what is the best time of the month for women, to get an accurate idea of hormone levels? ... ... TIA for any advice :-) [End]

NB support group by #141200 3 mon 287 Adrenal Fatigue / Magnesium / Minerals S / 4

... Just a reminder if you are doing Nutritional Balancing or interested curezone has a new forum for it. http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=501 ... [End]
Re: removing adrenalin from diet by winger22 3 mon 292

Thank you very much, we appreciate all the help we can get. [End]

removing adrenalin from diet by frugivorous 3 mon 288

One can give the adrenals a chance to rest by removing ... adrenalin from the diet. It is secreted by animals and fishes ... as they struggle for life in slaughter. It has long links, some of which are broken in cooking. Enough remain intact ... to recreate anger and terror in those who eat the animal or ... fish flesh. ... http://pcrm.org ... God heal your son. [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by health82 3 mon 412

Anywhere between 10 and 10:30 [End]
Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by natway 3 mon 435

Coffee at night seems unhealthy. What time do you usually go to bed? [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by health82 3 mon 380

Purplepixie, ... ... My story is pretty similar to yours. It took me years to find out what’s going on with my body and why its happening. I’m trying to give up caffeine but its not easy. I don’t eat ice cream, chocalates nor drink alot sodas. It just tea and coffee. I drink tea twice and have one cup of coffee at night. ... ... two days ago i got my hair mineral analysis test results. As I suspected my adrenals and thyroid are exhausted. My body is full of heavy metals, copper, lead, mercury, aluminum, cadmium, arsenic. I have been advised to order supplements from arltma lab. they are quit ... [retrieve this message]

Re: ACTH flutuation STRANGE RESULTS by brazilianguy 4 mon 266

I need also to point that ACTH is 14pg/ml so maybe is different units and I saw this web site that secundary is 5 ow lower pg/ml ... ... http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/endocrine_and_metabolic_disorders/adrenal_disorders/addisons_disease.html ... ... Testing: Laboratory tests, beginning with serum cortisol and ACTH levels, confirm adrenal insufficiency. Elevated ACTH (≥ 50 pg/mL) with low cortisol ( need also to point that ACTH is 14pg/ml so maybe is different units and I saw this web site that secundary is 5 ow lower pg/ml ... ... http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/endocrine_and_me ... [retrieve this message]

Re: ACTH flutuation STRANGE RESULTS by brazilianguy 4 mon 203

My SDHEA is not low is ... ... 351 in a range that goes from 160 to 492 But it was taken the same time as my ACTH was 32 it was 12:45 ... ... If a person has hypopituitarism the ACTH will be low the whole day? [End]

ACTH flutuation STRANGE RESULTS

by brazilianguy 4 mon 222 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s

I’m very affraid of my result. I don’t know what I have. I have low cortisol in the morning with low ACTH but my ACTH increase when is afternoon. I don’t know if I have problem in my pituitary because if I had I think my pituitary would send low amounts of ACTH all the time. ... ... ACTH 8am: 14 ... ACTH 12:30: 32 ... ... Cortisol morning saliva 8am: 95 (from 100 until 620) ... ... Please someone answer fast I’m feeling very depressed as I don’t know what to do and I don’t want to be on meds forever. [End]

What's the difference between Addison's Disease and Adrenal Fatigue? (LA... by brazilianguy 4 mon 226 Addison’s Disease / Adrenal Fa

I’d like to know which kind of AF can be cured. I just know that if its secundary like problem in pituitary the person needs to take HC for life. As I will start my treatment I would like to know if I can be optimistic and imagine one day living well without medication or supplements. ... ... My numbers are: ... ... ACTH 32 (until 46) Obs: It’s probably higher because I took the blood test 12:45 and it should be taken at 8am. I know that in the afternoon it will decrease by half. ... ... Cortisol Saliva: 95 (from 100 to 647) I took at 8am. ... ... I have a friend that have similar numbers and she take just 10 ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Canadian treatment options for Psychotic Behavior caused by Adrenal ... by feo66 4 mon 365

My god....let’s not figure out why the thyroid is over-active....lets’ just remove it. What a shame. ... ... Very sorry to hear about your son. ... ... You don’t need to physically see a doctor or other practitioners for effective treatment of adrenal fatigue. You can get very effective treatment with phone consults and lab work. ... ... I’ve been dealing with adrenal fatigue for years and finally making good progress. There is a program that many of us here have gravitated to...called “Nutritional Balancing” ... ... There are people here that have tried everyt ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by purplepixie 4 mon 406

I haven’t done any antibody tests. It’s could be enlightening, but i don’t know enough about them to comment in depth. ... ... Caffeine is a bugger - the majority of the world is addicted so don’t feel guilty :-) ... My coffee journey started in the French Alps....having full time access to a restaurant coffee machine...got me hooked enough to be drinking it full time ever since for 6 yrs! ... ... I had to stop it - my adrenals were crying out everytime i drank it - severe jitters...it was incredible. ... INitially to curb the habit i drank black tea instead - only 2 cups a day (being British - tea is w ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by health82 4 mon 422

great! what do you think about doing a IgG antibody assessment tests? have u done that? I’m addict to caffeine. I really need to break this habit. [End]

Canadian treatment options for Psychotic Behavior caused by Adrenal insu...

by winger22 4 mon 408 Adrenal Fatigue / Addison’s / Brilliant / 4 / 5 / 6

I am desperately seeking treatment for my 30 year old son who has severe adrenal fatigue as well as having his thyroid surgically removed due to over active thyroid. The more severe the adrenal fatigue, the more pronounced the psychotic symptoms. In our province the mental health care is in the dark ages, they are ignoring his adrenal fatigue and trying to give him schizophrenic drugs and with holding the adrenal support supplements. ... When he takes adrenal support his condition improves but seeing improvement he reasons he does not need the supplements and goes off them, then his symptoms ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by purplepixie 4 mon 432

I agree - the hair test takes such a long time - i waited 6 weeks! ... I’m awaiting a genetic test and that also takes 6 weeks. ... Patience is a virtue and all that ;-) ... ... In the meantime you could always help your liver along with milk thistle, dandelion root, beetroot consumption etc. ... ... ... [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by health82 4 mon 465

Thanks for the detailed response. I have already submit my hair sample and now waiting for the results. Waiting time is too long for Hair analysis results. As soon as i get my results back I want to create a diet plan to make my adrenals stronger then want to try to do liver cleanse. [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by purplepixie 4 mon 472

Protein and carb intake are generally at different meals - although my digestion isn’t too upset if i have them together. ... ... I tend to go by how much my bowels complain of my food combining skills! ... ... My Nutritional Balancing practitioner, based on my hair test and being an extremely slow oxidiser - suggested high carb through vegetables, 17% protein, 7% fat - as listed earlier on in the thread. ... ... If you’re a high oxidiser with adrenal fatigue then certainly high fat/protein diet is best suited...yet for slow oxidisers lots of complex carbs - grains etc and simple carbs like fruit/potatoe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by health82 4 mon 512

Do you eat protein and carb. together or at different meals? From what I have read, it says you have to eat high protein and high healthy fats and low carb. diet during adrenal fatigue recovery. out of your 2500 Calories, have you ever calculated how much calories are you getting from protein, carb and fats? [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by purplepixie 4 mon 579

It’s worth giving the Wilson’s diet a try for a few weeks to see how you get on, especially if it is so different from your current diet...but include some protein with your main meals - don’t just have cooked veg - i too get hungry an hour later on just veg! ... ... I would be more mindful of exactly how much fat to carb ratio you are getting. The reason Wilson doesn’t include avocado/nuts/seeds in the slow oxidiser diet is because when you’re only source of protein is meat - you will be getting a high ratio of fat alongside the protein ratio. He says a ratio of 15% protein while only 6% fat - ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by health82 4 mon 501

Excellent point. I was wondering same thing. I have always been very skinny and hardgainer. Eating plenty vegetables is healthy but it’s not a good source for complex carb and protein which are essential for body. Whenever I eat full plate of vegetables alone, in next hour or so I get hungry again. It just doesn’t satisfy my hunger. This makes me wonder if i should follow Dr. wilson’s diet advice or not?? [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by purplepixie 4 mon 506

I think Wilson’s diet suggestions are FAB for anyone trying to lose weight - but if it’s weight gain that is needed, the diet is far too low in calories. ... ... Vegetables contain few calories - even a plateful. I love all veggies and was actually eating the ratio’s that Wilson suggests for a slow oxidiser even before i got the hair test results...eating those ratio’s for at least 2 yrs prior to crashing. Although cooked vegetables are considered high in carbs - they actually contain very few calories in comparison to complex carbs. ... ... Obviously someone working in an office compared to a lands ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by onedaysoon 4 mon 528

Marie, ... It sounds like you went through the honeymoon phase when you were feeling good. I think that’s pretty typical but now that your body has more energy it’s probably putting it to good use doing some deep healing. ... ... I can relate to the sleep thing and I was told that’s typical in four lows. You feel wired and tired. My practitioner told me to take a little more calcium powder at night if I need it and that seems to help. I’ve had insomnia off and on since last July. I try to do whatever it takes to get some sleep even if that means medication. It’s not a great option,but I really fe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by onedaysoon 4 mon 501

Hi Marie, ... ... My crashes usually involve profound fatigue. I will spend most of my days on the couch and often feel weak. Lately I think I must be retracing because I have gone back to nausea, diarrhea, and some weight loss. But it’s not as bad as it used to be and I can feel myself starting to come out of it. The crashes often last for several weeks at a time which is frustrating when I hear others telling of symptoms coming back for just a couple of days. But my husband experiences the same thing so I guess that’s just how it goes for some of us. [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by Marie64 4 mon 518

Thanks Onwards, ... ... I know it helped me greatly last time and I just need to stay focused. ... ... Thanks again for the support. ... ... Marie ... ... ... ... ... [End]

Re: Dr. Wilson's High Vegetable Diet by Marie64 4 mon 541

Hi Onedaysoon, ... ... I will, but like I said, right now I am so frustrated. I did NB for 1 year and I saw great improvement to the point I felt the best I ever did. I took 6 months off big mistake and thought I would be able to do the rest on my own. ... ... Since starting NB again, I have crashed 3 times...unless it is related to detoxing. I know I am releasing high amount of allumiun thou...so that may be the case.. I think I will get a re-test just to see if I dumped anything major. ... ... I am thinking too that I may be starting to dump some more stuff. Been waking with a intnese head ach ... [retrieve this message]

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