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Expanded All Messages [210] , Sorted by Date Source: Milk Debate Forum

Raw Milk, Pasteurized Milk, Homogenized Milk, Low Fat, Colostrum, Cheese, Yogurt, Kefir, Goat Milk, Donkey Milk, Sheep Milk, ...

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Challenge the message and not the messenger!
The first person to resort to name calling and personal attacks automatically loses the debate!
Personal attack is often the best indication that the writer knows his logic is flawed and therefore tries to deflect attention by attacking the opponent, instead of attacking the arguments of the opponent.

Re: STILL drink milk? by kushy 49 days 290

I was surprised and felt sad to know in this way we get milk.I am pity about the animals and all as we are troubling them for our needs. [End]
Re: Why is butter good and milk bad? by kushy 49 days 162

I got a new information for this post.I actually take more milk 2 glasses a day.I listened for women and kids it helps more for bone strength and other benefits also there. [End]

Brain Lesion Generating Aspartame In Milk by frugivorous 51 days 98

BRAIN LESION GENERATING ASPARTAME IN MILK ... ... The dairy industry wants ... to hide milk’s aspartame ... which causes lesions in the brain ... ... Aspartame was developed as an antkiller originally. The FDA ... banned it until Ronald Reagan overrode the ban. ... ... Footnote: ... http://www.naturalnews.com/039244_milk_aspartame_FDA_petition.html ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/aspartame-milk_n_2828359.html ... http://notmilk.com ... ... Now monosodium glutamate is labeled only as ’natural flavor’ ... http://msgtruth.org ... [End]

Re: I cut out Dairy, red meat, sugar, and fried foods. Within 2 weeks ... by chosenbygrace 6 mon 4,403

I responded here: http://eternian.wordpress.com/psoriasis [End]
Good video in drugged milk... by SmokeAndMirror 22 mon 3,027

Your Milk on Drugs ... ... ... [End]
Milk studies for young boys by lzqosoz94 23 mon 1,359

Does anyone have any studies on the ill effects of commercial milk on boys? especially young ones? [End]

Re: Animals do drink milk from other species by health2share 26 mon 6,330

Yes that is true but they also immediately start eating foods high in fat soluble minerals and other usable minerals & vitamins to the body. As with the cow most humans do not start eating grass as soon as they are weaned, and do so solely, for the rest of their life as the cow does. All I am saying here is Americans must eat a lot more greens and green vegetables to get their minerals and have the best of health or use some grass fed, healthy, raw cows milk. [End]

Got Raw Milk? by grzbear 3 year 2,717

Small farmers and consumer advocates say unpasteurized milk bans are about protecting big industry. ... ... In Massachusetts, a controversy over raw milk regulations has cast doubt on our seemingly basic right to unprocessed food. Government, public health and dairy industry officials want to restrict the sale and distribution of raw (unpasteurized) milk, citing grave safety concerns. But small dairy farmers, organic consumers’ advocates and raw milk drinkers say the issue isn’t safety—it’s control of the dairy market. ... ... In January, the Massachusetts Department of Agricultural Resources (MDAR) ... [retrieve this message]

Re: STILL drink milk? by Pathway 3 year 1,687

You think thats bad! Do you have any idea what’s in the Milk? l worked on a dairy farm and quit because of the crap l was injecting the cows with. Humans having a problem fighting infections? Thats just the begining..... [End]

Sign the Petition by #89866 3 year 1,405

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/250/Stop-Animal-Abuse-at-Conklin-Dairy-Farms-Ohio ... ... ... ... [End]

Billy Joe Gregg Jr. of Plain City, Ohio by #89866 3 year 2,364

Chilling undercover footage recorded during a new Mercy For Animals investigation exposes dairy farm workers sadistically abusing cows and young calves. Captured on hidden camera, the shocking scenes of abuse reveal a culture of cruelty at Conklin Dairy Farms in Plain City, Ohio. During a four-week investigation between April and May, MFA’s investigator documented farm workers: Violently punching young calves in the face, body slamming them to the ground, and pulling and throwing them by their ears Routinely using pitchforks to stab cows in the face, legs and stomach Kicking ”downed” cows ... [retrieve this message]

Billy Joe Gregg Jr. of Plain City, Ohio by #89866 3 year 2,517

Dairy Farm Fires Worker Over Animal Abuse Allegations PLAIN CITY, Ohio — An dairy farm employee was arrested on Wednesday after video revealed alleged abuse. An animal welfare group asked prosecutors to review undercover video that it says shows workers abusing cows at a central Ohio dairy farm, 10TV News reported. The group, Mercy For Animals, said the video was recorded over the past More.. month at Conklin Dairy Farms, based in Plain City. The video was presented to the City of Marysville prosecutor’s office for review, 10TV News reported. Billy Joe Gregg Jr., 25, was arrested by ... [retrieve this message]

STILL drink milk? by #89866 3 year 1,878

Re: Why is butter good and milk bad? by grzbear 3 year 2,357

Milk is not inherently bad for most people... it goes way back to when man had this bright idea to feed dairy animals the mash from grain distillation... and then silage and field waste, etc. causing milk quality to plummet - they called it *swill* a very poor quality milk from poorly fed animals... on a large scale about 200 years ago this all started. ... ... it led to the pasteurization of dairy to hide the *sins* of the dairy industry - poorly fed, unhealthy animals, living in VERY poor, filthy living conditions. ... ... Butter, like milk, depends upon the quality of the dairy... the way the ani ... [retrieve this message]

Why is butter good and milk bad? by turbones 3 year 1,711

Does anyone know anything about this? Isn’t butter made from milk? [End]

Re: milk kills by fety 3 year 2,112

ever think that the fact that the milk and yogurt is pasteurized is the source of the problem? Give raw milk a try! Most likely you won’t be disappointed. ... ... ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2841109519152398438&ei=_VV_S72WMJzyqAPTnpmNBw&q=raw+milk&view=3&dur=3# ... ... [End]

Re: milk kills by spudlydoo 3 year 1,868

I’ve had much the same experience with iodine supplements as you have lolite, I had a lot of digestive issues before starting iodine supplementation, and none since. I have also cleaned up my diet a great deal and this has definitely helped as well. ... ... spud [End]

Re: milk kills by Freedom Citizen 3 year 1,793

Pretty generalized statement considering all the different factors and biological/racial individuality of each person. Perhaps a better statement would be to specify what kind of milk kills and kills whom? [End]

Re: milk kills by Iolite 3 year 1,841

Iodine is a vital nutrient that we are all deficient in, witness the fact that Fibro-Cystic Breasts are considered NORMAL by gynecologists. Wrong, FBD is caused by low iodine levels and high levels of fluoride and bromide in the body. ... I’ve been ingesting 50-100mg iodine for the past 2 years and I’m not dead. My FBD, is however a thing of the past. I am toxic with bromide and iodine deficient. Once I become iodinated, I plan to continue with that amount just to make sure fluoride and bromide do not take up residence anywhere in my body. ... ... You should read http://www.iodine4health.com, ... [retrieve this message]

Re: milk kills by Iolite 3 year 1,974

If you look at http://www.breastcancer.org/iodine, you will find a VERY strong link between iodine deficiency/bromide toxicity and breast cancer. ... ... [End]

Re: The Whole Truth About Milk ? by Langhorne 3 year 3,880

”Milk and milk products have been the food staple of mankind since the beginning of recorded history” ... ... Well... Maybe since ”recorded” history which is only a couple thousand years. Domestication of horned ruminant animals and the consumption of milk by the mankind is a relatively new thing in the total evolutionary timeline of the human species. We likely started out eating things like plants, grains, bugs and whatever meat we could catch and kill. [End]

Re: Milk protein intolerance by heardshare 4 year 3,400

RAW MILK contains the active enzymes lactase and lipase, which permit raw milk to digest itself. Therefore your body should have no problem with digestion,intolerance or allergies drinking Raw Milk ... ... Pasteurized milk, which is devitalized of lactase and other active enzymes, simply can not be properly digested by adult stomachs, and even infants have trouble with it, as evidenced by colic, rashes, respiratory ailments, gas and other common ailments of bottle-fed babies. The lack of enzymes and Alteration of Vital Proteins also renders the calcium and other mineral elements in milk large ... [retrieve this message]

z by Awakenings 4 year 2,897

Milk protein intolerance

by #116312 4 year 2,945

Hi, ... ... I know that there are very different opinions about the positive and negative sides of milk but I’d like to talk specifically about milk protein intolerance. ... ... So, I’ve been a heavy milk drinker for the most of my life but soon after I started drinking these protein shakes (whey and casein) I started to get hives, became sleepy and had digestive difficulties. My family told me that I could not drink much milk when I was a child simply because I would get severely constipated. Right now, I’m trying to eliminate milk completely so I’m not eating any dairy products, just mostly chick ... [retrieve this message]

WHOLE FOODS TO STOP SELLING RAW MILK Your Action Needed by bluereef 4 year 2,627

... Whole Foods is going to stop selling raw cow and goat milk in Florida, as of Sept 30, 2009 unless we get them to change their minds. Whole Foods could decide to remove raw milk from its stores in other regions, too. ... ... This issue needs your help, EVEN IF YOU: ... - already get raw milk easily ... - don’t drink raw milk personally ... - don’t shop at Whole Foods ... - think only farmers should sell their raw milk directly to consumers ... - don’t drink raw milk personally ... - live in a state where raw milk is not legally sold in stores ... ... PLEASE NOTE that in FLORIDA, raw milk may only be sold when ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Monsanto & Cancer Milk: Fox News Kills Story & Fires Reporters by star01 4 year 3,621

This is completely scary. We buy organic milk in our family with no added hormones, etc. but who’s to say what’s really in it and what brands are legit? [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by VX 4 year 4,594

No, raw milk doesn’t contribute to body odor. ... ... I eat raw beef, raw milk, raw eggs, raw butter, raw cheese. And I juice raw veggies and eat fruit. ... ... I don’t use deodorant and I don’t smell. ... ... Your feces will smell more. But you shouldn’t. ... ... If you mix veggie juice and eat fruit with 1.5 hours later, the two can make gas, but it depends on the person. ... ... ... OLD MILK ... Pasteurized milk is old milk and drinking old milk, raw or pasteurized, will make you smell a bit if you drink it after 7-10 days. ... ... I knew some people who would drink raw milk that was 2-3 weeks old, and you can do that si ... [retrieve this message]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by VX 4 year 4,411

That’s not true. ... ... [End]

Re: The Whole Truth About Milk by Insight 4 year 4,469

I was just listening to an interview with this guy at OneRadioNetwork last night. He knows what he’s talking about. Good explanations for several things. ... ... Here’s the link to the interview: ... ... http://www.oneradionetwork.com/health_-_podcasts/diet_and_nutrition/mark_mcafee_-_organic_pastures_dairy_-_raw_milk_producer_-_august_18th_200908181245 [End]

The Whole Truth About Milk

BSA by LCD 4 year 9,481 News / Diet & Nut / Diet Discu / 4 / 5 / 6

The Whole Truth About Milk ... ... Milk and milk products have been the food staple of mankind since the beginning of recorded history. They are truly the one food source that has allowed us to become civilized and to develop societies as we know them today. ... ... But now, milk has a bad name. Is it the milk itself or is it the way that it is being processed and delivered in this corporate farming world we now live in? Are the problems we see a result of pasteurizing and homogenizing, which are relatively new developments in the history of milk? ... ... The Whole Truth About Milk ... ... The Whole Truth ... [Video Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Re: Dairy food linked with Parkinson's disease in men by quincyjonesfan1 4 year 3,676

Well, I can’t speak for everyone, although Muhammad Ali, as I read books about the man, had a love for ice cream. It being his favorite food (or solid liquid or whatever...). [End]

Monsanto & Cancer Milk: Fox News Kills Story & Fires Reporters

RN by Dquixote1217 4 year 11,766 News / Diet & Nut / Parenting / 4 / 5 / 6

Though not new, I had never seen this video posted anywhere before. ... ... FOX NEWS Reporters (Reporters Steve Wilson & Jane Akre) uncovered the fact that most of the Milk in the USA and across some parts of the world is unfit to drink due to Monsanto Corporation’s POSILAC®, which has been proven to be a cancer-causing growth hormone.(known in short as "BGH" "BST" or "rBGH" ), but they were fired for trying to tell people the truth. ... ... This is a nonpartisan video that shows the lengths some will go to further their agendas. It ends with a Florida ju ... [Video Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Cow and goat breed makes a difference...

by grzbear 4 year 4,967

A post I made about four months back... ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1384538#i ... ... An article from about 2.5 months ago... ... ... “The Devil in the Milk” — Dr. Thomas Cowan on how the A1 – A2 factor explains why even raw milk sometimes does not seem to be enough of an improvement over “store-bought” ... ... The trouble is that we have “the wrong kind of cows”. It seems the black and white cows — Holsteins and Friesians — generally give milk that contains a small but significant amount of beta-casein type A1, which behaves like an opiate and which epidemiological studies have implicated in ... [retrieve this message]

Milk's toxicity discussed in new youtube video by sFa documentary 4 year 1,924

... Quick links to Videos: ... ... Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twVlzwjuAtw ... Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdeZZADFqAQ ... ... From the description: ... ... Our entire food chain has been corrupted, and is now poisonous! Many foods are genetically modified, and our laws state you cannot label food that has been genetically modified (GMO). Wait, what?! Corn and Soy are the two most predominant GMO crops. 90% of Soy around the world has been Genetically manipulated, 60% of corn is Genitically modified. Go check how many items in your kitchen contain Soy and Corn or Corn Syrup, ALMOST AL ... [Image Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by #115562 4 year 4,929

I dont know about all the other stuff yall talking about but I heard yogurt suppose to be good for us and help [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by cataplexy 4 year 5,357

”yes dairy and meat contribute to bad body odor because your system can not digest those protiens.” ... ... That’s BS. I’ve recently been eating lots of RAW eggs and they don’t contribute to my mouth odor whatsoever, while COOKED eggs give me the worst bad breath ever. I’ve had up to a dozen raw eggs a day and had no problem. Same with raw fish and raw beef. ... ... I would kill to get my hands on raw dairy, i bet i could enjoy all the raw milk/cheese/yogurt i want without making my breath worse. There’s so much misinformation everywhere that you have to unlearn what you know and try for yourself. T ... [retrieve this message]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 4,887

Candida blocks your bodies ability to absorb your thyroid hormones which control your digestion. Do a search on google on dr hotze, thyroid, and candida. Cure the candida, cure the digestion of meats and fats. [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 4,816

are you just repeating china study propaganda to promote the vegan agenda or does it actually cause body odor ? ... ... Does it cause body odor is the main point, I dont care about digesting proteins. ... ... [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by mary88 4 year 4,772

yes dairy and meat contribute to bad body odor because your system can not digest those protiens. [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by cataplexy 4 year 4,881

I do well on all raw food, raw dairy is the only thing i’ve never tried but since i do ok on raw fruit, veggies and meat, i don’t see why raw dairy would be different. [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by venkvelaga 4 year 4,907

Milk sugar is harder to break down than the sugars in fruits. Also milk has protiens in it wich could cause problems. [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 4,898

You might want to look that question up in the candida forum. Some say granny smith apples are ok to eat. other fruits, im not really sure. [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 4,814

fruit? [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 4,810

Nope. no sugar at all. And all starches convert to sugar so they are bad too. meat, complex carbs, and veggies are your best bet. [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 4,949

is brown sugar allowed ? [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 5,133

Limit milk and dairy products. There are several reasons to restrict or eliminate the intake of milk in chronic candidiasis. Milk’s high lactose content promotes the overgrowth of candida. Milk is also one of the most common food allergens and may even contain trace levels of antibiotics, which can further disrupt the gastrointestinal bacterial flora and promote candida overgrowth. The consumption of a 30-hour cultured goat’s milk yogurt is very beneficial to those suffering from candidiasis. ... ... http://www.prohealthsolutions.com/healthconcerndetails156.html ... [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 4,914

beneficial bacteria in raw yogurt maybe. Milk doesnt have enough good bacteria to even put a dent in candida. [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 5,083

no it doesnt promote candida ... ... you just presume it does ... ... also i read the beneficial bacteria in raw milk help knock out the bad bacteria which promote candida also ... ... [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 4,930

helpmerhonda ... ... when was the last time you personally drank raw milk ? ... did it cause more candida ? [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 5,065

yes it promotes the growth of candida [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 4,966

okay, lets keep it simple ... ... een though raw milk might have sugar in it , will it promote candida ... ... you said the sugar in it was lactose ... ... does lactose promote candida ... ... [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 5,031

Lactase is the sugar in milk. Candida causes the stink and sugar feeds candida. If you bake bread and want it to rise you put sugar on it and the yeast(candida) grows which causes the bread to rise, get my drift? [End]

Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 5,067

milk has sugar in it ? ... ... what about fruit, how does that compare [End]
Re: does raw milk contribute to body odor by helpmerhonda 4 year 5,148

The sugar in milk feeds the candida, so yes milk is bad. [End]
does raw milk contribute to body odor by fuggles 4 year 5,336 Body Odor / Raw Omnivo / Milk Debat

cows or goats, is it only pasteurisation which gives bad odor [End]

One more thing to add about Raw Milk by grzbear 4 year 3,585

Not only does the breed of cow or goat make a HUGE difference in the milk and butterfat content... what the animals eat and how they are cared for makes a HUGE difference as well... ... ... Ever have raw goat milk after the goat got into a bunch of raw onions? LOL... ... ... grz- ... ... [End]

Re: Trafficking in Raw Milk by Raynbo 4 year 2,900

Personally, for what’s it’s worth....I have been into rice milk and coconut milk....exclusively these days. [End]
Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by JustinL 4 year 2,914

So was I Grz.. [End]
Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by grzbear 4 year 2,886

I agree with that... I was responding to Sara. ... ... grz- ... ... [End]
Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by JustinL 4 year 2,894

Hmmm! I never said one was better then the other,only that milk from goats raised in a similar environment as commercial dairy cows would be just as toxic as commercial cows milk! [End]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by grzbear 4 year 3,213

I think that debate on the topic is moot as it depends upon too many factors, including one’s hereditary adaptations... ... ... Here is what one goat and cow owner wrote in another forum... ... ... I’ve had fresh goat milk from Nubians, Saanans, and Alpines. I’ve had fresh cow milk from a few different breeds, including some crossbreds. IMHO Nubian milk is by far the best goat milk. Most fresh cow milk is yucky, with one exception - Jersey milk. If you’ve got a good Jersey (we do) there is no better milk. We finally sold our Nubians recently because we weren’t using them. Not trying to start a go ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by mo123 4 year 3,108

No problem I am going away now, the mod loves milk. ... ... SARA [End]
Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by JustinL 4 year 2,936

I’m simply stating the facts, not my personal opinion!!! [End]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by mo123 4 year 2,985

Of course!! DAA. The debate is over raw organic cow or goat which is closer to human mothers milk. Goat wins hands down. ... ... We will always have pros and cons. A given as in the about debate. ... ... My opinion is that cow milk is bad but hey you can drink whatever you want. ... ... Now if you can really find virgin land that is not toxic and has one hundred percent nutrients, forget the cows and sell the land, you would be a millionaire. ... ... SARA ... [End]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by JustinL 4 year 3,113

There is a campaign of misinformation about cow’s milk that should include the factual information that commercial cows milk is saturated with bovine growth hormones and anti biotics and more often the cows themselves terminally ill. ... Goats milk from goats raised this way would be just as toxic. ... The facts are that organic cows milk that comes from grass fed toxin free cattle raised on land that is nutrient rich is not only safe for human consumption but highly nutritious! [End]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow R by grzbear 4 year 3,158

”My question to you or any advocating free range cattle being better. As we now know from countless studies that the soil is nutrient deprived as much as 90 percent in some cases. So even if the cattle is free range, exactly how much value could we place on that milk or crops” ”So these are the things I trust to be true. ... ... 1. Cow’s milk is for baby cows ... 2. Goat milk is closest to mother’s breast milk. ... 3. The two top cause of cancer from food is milk and sugar. ... 4. Milk is a known cause of many diseases including but not limited to MS, diabetes, heart disease, etc.” ”So these are the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by mo123 4 year 2,990

Grz: ... ... I to doubt the studies included raw milk as the gov’t is outlawing it and difficult for most to find. Dr. Mercola is a big advocate of raw milk. ... ... My question to you or any advocating free range cattle being better. As we now know from countless studies that the soil is nutrient deprived as much as 90 percent in some cases. So even if the cattle is free range, exactly how much value could we place on that milk or crops. ... ... So these are the things I trust to be true. ... ... 1. Cow’s milk is for baby cows ... 2. Goat milk is closest to mother’s breast milk. ... 3. The two top cause of c ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by grzbear 4 year 3,190

”As you know Grz, goat milk is not available all year long only when they have babies which is generally twice a year. So for a few months goat milk is not available.” ”cow’s milk causes MS” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010322074643.htm ... ... I would like to make one thing clear here... when reading about cow milk being ”bad” or ”good” for us, please ask these questions... ... ... Was the milk in the studies pasteurized? homogenized? I would be willing to bet yes on both counts. ... ... Was it raw? ... ... I would be willing to bet, no. ... ... These things make a huge difference in the outcom ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow by mo123 4 year 3,158

As you know Grz, goat milk is not available all year long only when they have babies which is generally twice a year. So for a few months goat milk is not available. I prefer the taste of cow’s milk but after reading so much against cow milk especially the new that cow’s milk causes MS, I changed. ... ... Goat milk is more expensive but health comes at a price. Dr. Lam has been preaching for years against cow’s milk and I agree. Cow’s milk is for baby cows. ... ... SARA ... ... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1289179#i ... [End]

Raw Milk - Goat vs. Cow RR by grzbear 4 year 4,426

I have used raw milk for about three years now... and as a kid, till about age 13, milked the ”family” cow and sat the milk right on the table, still warm, to use at breakfast on an uncle’s dairy farm in the summers... mom grew up on raw milk... never ”boiled” it that I can remember. ... ... I have been using raw goat milk for over a year... at first, it came from purebred Nubians. What I am getting now is from a Nubian\Toggenburg cross. ... ... Nubians give richer milk, Toggenburg’s give more. If you want butterfat content to make butter and cheese, go with the purebred Nubian. ... ... Before that, I ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Trafficking in Raw Milk by mo123 4 year 3,272

A really sad state of affairs. I buy raw milk all the time from the farms here in Jordan. It is freely sold with no restrictions. Usually we have hundreds of goats and lambs in pastures all over as Arabs eat a lot of lamb meat and now is the time for the milk. ... ... Goat milk is the closest to mother’s breast milk and cow’s milk is for baby cows. I buy goat yogurt myself to use in the budwig preparations. If they do not have yogurt I do buy raw milk and make my own yogurt. ... ... Freedom of raw milk essential and sad that most cannot have this. I find that most run into problems for one sim ... [retrieve this message]

Trafficking in Raw Milk

R by LCD 4 year 3,751 News / Milk Debat / Nourishing

Trafficking in Raw Milk ... ... After illegal drugs, raw milk -- milk that’s unpasteurized and unhomogenized, just as it comes out of the cow -- may be the most briskly traded underground commodity in America. ... ... ... By Ann Monroe ... ... ... It’s early Saturday morning, and the Brooklyn street is almost empty. Except at one half-open store, where about 30 people are lined up in the narrow aisle clutching empty backpacks, shopping bags and suitcases. At the door, a man checks each entrant, asking ”Are you here for the...pickup?” ... ... http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/living-green/articlegreenchan.aspx?c ... [retrieve this message]

Raw milk yogert / e-coli by jawnn 4 year 979

Will yougert culture dominate e-coli? Assuming there is any e-coli at all in the raw milk, will it be eliminated by the yogert bacteria or will there just be an increase of both? [End]

Ron Paul Raw milk Bill by grzbear 4 year 1,199

http://www.ftcldf.org/docs/HR_778_Interstate_Traffic_of_unpast_milk_012809.pdf ... ... ... http://www.ftcldf.org/news/news-01feb2009.htm ... ... ... get on the stick and support this... ... ... get busy and support the bill with your congressional state reps. ... ... Mercola ... ... http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/26/Will-Ron-Paul-End-the-Ban-on-Raw-Milk.aspx ... ... ... grz- [End]

Re: new to raw milk by grzbear 4 year 2,143

Is your family aware of the differences between commercial pasteurized, homogenized, and raw dairy? If not, I would start there through education of the differences between them and the implications of those differences to health. ... ... If they are aware of them, and one or more of them are willing to give it a whirl, I would begin using any raw dairy products the way you have or had been using dairy. ... ... grz- ... ... [End]

new to raw milk by kkkk 4 year 1,895

If i were going to introduce raw dairy products into my familys diet, how would i begin. [End]
Some good reading on Pasteurization by grzbear 4 year 983

http://www.opednews.com/articles/PASTEURIZATION--PULLING-T-by-Linn-Cohen-Cole-081231-343.html ... ... ... check out the links to the additional articles too. ... ... grz- ... ... ... [End]

Help! I love my milk! by moobuzz 5 year 2,313

It looks like I’m treading on taboo ground. Every time I tell people I love that great white stuff, I can see those pitying glances being directed my way. What’s happening? Time was when we were told to drink up our milk and not argue. And here we are some years later, being warned darkly of how dairy products poison the system. Maybe for some, I know not so for others. If so many generations could live well drinking milk everyday, it can’t be all that bad. And I refuse to let anyone tell me that research is the reason why. Research has this nasty habit of proving one thing today and anoth ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The truth about milk by moobuzz 5 year 2,234

Have we thrown out the baby with the bathwater? In our rush to sterilise everything, we seem to have forgotten that we are made up of living organisms. ... ... More about that here: ... ... ... http://dairybuzz.com/mooblog/ ... [End]

The truth about milk

by grzbear 5 year 2,745

“Raw” milk proponent and dairyman Mark McAfee sheds light on pasteurization, the benefits of consuming unadulterated food, and the war on bacteria. ... ... By Loren Muldowney ... ... Editor’s note: The following article is the first of a four-part series that will appear monthly in the nutrition section of our website. It is based on the first of four recent lectures in a Seminar Series on Raw Milk hosted by Rutgers University Agriculture Experiment Station. ... ... Mark McAfee is owner of Organic Pastures Dairy Co. (www.organicpastures.com) in Fresno, California. His high-energy talk February 6 was enti ... [retrieve this message]

damnit!i wanna debate milk! by icky 5 year 2,099

i just wanna debate milk. come on [End]

Re: never mind by adamson77 5 year 2,031

thanks for remembering me ... ... i have just had a flashback and changed my mind about raw milk. i was sitting on the porch and this cow popped out beside the house i screamed cause i saw huge horns and utters and thought wth...i never knew some female cows had horns. ... ... i suspected the neighbors of exprimenting on animals, one day i picked up their kitten and the paws wrapped around my finger, its not suppose to do that, it was a 8 paw cat, and their dogs looked like dobermans face with a dalmation body. ... ... im against store bought milk i guess i will have to live without it. [End]

Re: i want raw milk by icky 5 year 2,106

i dunno ms.fixit. i would advise that, as an adult, you should rethink drinking milk everyday. heck, milk and all it’s products are not really that good for us adults. great for kids though. and raw is best. that’s what we get. where to get it? ask around the health food/ tree huggy/granola/birkenstock circuit. know any farmers? if you are in a city....i dunno, good luck. [End]

Re: organic pastures raw milk by icky 5 year 1,953

yeah, some yahoo probably left it outside on the loading dock too long or the refrig unit wasnt’ cold enough in the truck. i’ve had pasturized half and half go bad before it’s date aplenty.(and we can go through that stuff pretty darn quick too, so it doesn’t really sit around in our fridge.) ... i would be surprised if it happened again. [End]

i want raw milk

by adamson77 5 year 2,239

i never had it before and i want it. as expensive as gas and milk is now i bet my parents wish they had listened to me when i said buy cows chickens and goats. ... ... i have been drinking so called milk daily since the day i was born. i went from whole milk to skim and now i am very upset i dont know whats going on cause i know my milk lol.......... the whole milk taste like 2% and skim feels and taste like water. processed milk has a certain weight and i know it has been changed. for two months the milk seemed to be tainted with a strange odor so i contacted the center that sent it, now it ha ... [retrieve this message]

Milkijuana? by grzbear 5 year 1,158

Commentary by John Wind Bell for Salem-News.com ... ... “Say No to Raw Milk,” will be the popular chant. “This is your brain on Raw Milk,” will be on the TV screen. “It’s a gateway drink,” someone will be sure to preach from their pulpit. ... ... (EPHRATA, Pa.) - Granted, it’s a bit of a stretch, but not that much. Bear with me now. ... ... There is already a fear associated with raw milk that’s been planted in peoples’ heads, no matter how safe the milk business was before pasteurization. I have relatives that are still alive who were in the milk business before and after this new heating process. We’ve ... [retrieve this message]

organic pastures raw milk

by earthyred 5 year 2,382

i recently purchased organic pastures raw milk for the first time, and it was incredibly sour despite a sell by date 2 weeks in the future. i’m wondering if this happens frequently or did i just get a bad container? i’ve bought caravale milk before and didn’t have this problem. [End]

Re: The revolution will not be pasteurized: Inside the raw-milk undergro... by grzbear 5 year 2,145

the before and after flood reference is interesting... ... ... I take the flood to be more of a before and after metaphor for the fall of man due to his own short sightedness and destruction of the world, as we once again seem to be approaching. ... ... grz- ... ... [End]

Re: The revolution will not be pasteurized: Inside the raw-milk undergro... by Ohfor07 5 year 2,256

Good post Grz, most if not all of which I agree with. The reason for my reply is mostly just to say there is not much I can find to argue about, while perhaps also quibbling just a bit around the edges just for kicks. PS - I meant this to be a reply to both your posts, not just the original. ... On just the idea of raw milk, there is one idea that has been sticking in my mind ever since I first heard somebody else put forth this idea. That’s been a little over a year now. There was a statement in the article you linked that brought thoughts of this idea to mind. ... The requirement for past ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The revolution will not be pasteurized: Inside the raw-milk undergro... by grzbear 5 year 2,082

I have read and re-read some of Bill Sardi’s stuff again lately and have become increasingly disappointed with his wittings. ... ... These .pdfs on dairy are an excellent example of laying out a potential threat and then leaving big gapping holes and questions in the material. ... ... A calcium paper I read that he did left me the exact same way... warning of calcium OD and its potential for harm, without ever mentioning the need for magnesium along with it in the diet, WHEN he has also written about magnesium deficiencies and the importance of balancing intake with calcium and the role of both as w ... [retrieve this message]

Re: The revolution will not be pasteurized: Inside the raw-milk undergro... by Newport 5 year 2,174

And of course raw milk needs to be kept out of the hands of the sheople. With enzymes still intact the TB bug cannot grow and therefore this public health disaster would be averted: ... ... ... http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report.asp?story=Milk%20Delivers%20the%20Bacterium%20that%20Causes%20Crohns%20Disease&catagory=Tuberculosis ... ... [End]

The revolution will not be pasteurized: Inside the raw-milk underground

by grzbear 5 year 2,165

The agents arrived before dawn. They concealed the squad car and police van behind trees, and there, on the road that runs past Michael Schmidtâ€™s farm in Durham, Ontario, they waited for the dairyman to make his move. A team from the Ministry of Natural Resources had been watching Schmidt for months, shadowing him on his weekly runs to Toronto. Two officers had even infiltrated the farmerâ€™s inner circle, obtaining for themselves samples of his product. Lab tests confirmed their suspicions. ... ... It was raw milk. The unpasteurized stuff. Now the time had come to take him down. Schmidt had ... [retrieve this message]

Are you an advocate for Raw Milk? by #97128 5 year 1,130

HAS YOUR HEALTH IMPROVED FROM DRINKING RAW MILK? ... ... ... ... Are you an advocate for raw milk? ... ... Do you feel that your health has benefited from drinking raw milk? ... ... We want to hear your story! ... ... ... ... We are casting individuals whose health has improved from drinking raw milk for a new series airing on the Food Network this fall. ... ... ... Casting is underway, so Email a brief description of your story with your contact information and picture of yourself ASAP to aisha@alroker.com ... ... [End]

Raw Milk by #97128 5 year 1,067

HAS YOUR HEALTH IMPROVED FROM DRINKING RAW MILK? ... ... ... ... Are you an advocate for raw milk? ... ... Do you feel that your health has ... ... benefited from drinking raw milk? ... ... We want to hear your story! ... ... ... ... We are casting individuals whose health has improved from drinking raw milk for a new series airing on the Food Network this fall. ... ... ... Casting is underway, so Email a brief description of your story with your contact information and picture of yourself ASAP to aisha@alroker.com ... ... [End]

Dairy Dilemma; Choosing Milk in B.C? by Kodi 5 year 1,165

I live in Canada, British Columbia, and, unfortunately, nowhere near a farrm that offers cow-sharing programs. The nearest is about a 6 hour drive away, and the prices; well, I shouldn’t put a price on the elixer that is raw milk ($15.00 CAD/gallon for me), but combined with effort to get there (and back home)... ... ... I’m contacting various people at the moment, and there might be an option for me to pick up raw milk 30 minutes from my location, but at the mean time, I have two choices (3, if I choose to omit milk all together, but I want to keep my kefir grains alive and drink their product ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis by VX 5 year 18,402

According to Dr. Clark’s book ”The Cure for All Diseases”, she found that all milk (cow or goat) tested positive for two nasty bacterias, Salmonella and Shigella. She recommends that you ”scald” your milk (boil it for 3-10 seconds) and if you can’t do that, don’t drink it. ... ... The rest of my research on milk brings much conflicting information, but I know that much is true. ... ... I’m quickly coming to find that all disease is inter-related, toxic blood. I think this site might help, even if it’s for eczema. ... ... http://www.eczemacure.info/ ... ... ... Good luck. ... ... [End]

Fighting on a Battlefield the Size of a Milk Label by grzbear 5 year 945

”A new advocacy group closely tied to Monsanto has started a counteroffensive to stop the proliferation of milk that comes from cows that aren’t treated with synthetic bovine growth hormone.” ... ... More... ... ... ... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09feed.html?_r=2&oref=login&oref=login ... ... ... grz- [End]

Devil In Your Milk.Is your milk A1 or A2 ? by twll 5 year 1,802

is a book by keith woodford about the effects on human ... health of the peptide beta casomorphin 7. bcm7 is an ... opioid and an ’’oxident’’ that comes from some types ... of milk but not from a2 milk. Its a very good easy to ... read book considering how complex the subject matter ... can get. ... Look up ’’a2 milk’’or ’’devil in the milk’’ on the net ... to find out more. ... Here is the blurb from the publisher,2007 ... ... ... http://www.craigpotton.co.nz/products/published/books/bookgeneralnonfiction/devilinthemilk ... ... ... Illness, health and politics A1 and A2 milk ... This groundbreaking book is the first to be publi ... [retrieve this message]

More dairies go raw by grzbear 5 year 1,091

By Darry Madden ... Globe Correspondent / February 23, 2008 ... ... Jill Ebbott, a holistic health counselor in Brookline, buys 8 gallons of unpasteurized milk a week for her household of three people, and she pours a splash in the bowls that her three dogs eat from. She says a year of drinking raw milk has cleared up her husband’s allergies. ... ... ”He suffered tree pollen allergies for 21 years,” Ebbott said. ”In the spring, he was swollen and oozing and had to wear mittens to bed so he didn’t scratch himself too much. After 13 months on raw milk, his gut was rebalanced to such a degree that he was ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Dairy Products & Bone Loss by critterlover17 5 year 1,834

Was there any note as to whether they were consuming pastuerized milk or raw? [End]

Re: Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis by bioticsadp 5 year 21,250

soy milk has a bad rap because it blocks nutrient absorption. A better option is unsweetened almond milk. no sugar. I also cut out wheat or gluten. Gluten free diet helps, so millet, quinoa, and buckwheat are gluten free [End]

I cut out Dairy, red meat, sugar, and fried foods. Within 2 weeks ... RN by SexyJewel 5 year 31,579

Yes this is true. I have had psoriasis for 14 years. My medications recently stopped working for me and my new prescription was too expensive. Not having any insurance, I decided to go online and try every natural cure that sounded like it would work. I cut out Dairy, red meat, sugar, and fried foods. I started eating Fruits, Vegetables, lean meats and taking vitamins. I figured even if it didn’t help my psoriasis, it sounded pretty healthy anyways. ... I am an exotic dancer and had to quit dancing when my psoriasis started appearing. It’s not very attractive you know. Within 2 weeks of starting [retrieve this message]

Re: Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis by NaturalLover 5 year 18,851

Wise decision! Dairy is bad, just be sure you think of all the foods that have dairy in them as well. Some things you would be surprised to find it in. So avoid all if possible. ... ... Took me near a year to get clear but i changed ALOT of things along with stopping dairy and eggs. Also strawberries and all gluten and i also use a regime of 777 and tuvarak oil, psorolin products and neem guard. I also use emu oil pills for my nail psoriasis as my nails were really really bad and it helps bone mass as well, my bone mass improved greatly after starting them. Right now i am mostly clear and i would [retrieve this message]

Re: Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis by schi 5 year 18,939

do you know how long it took to get it cleared when going off dairy? ... ... I have switched from cow’s milk to soy and goat’s milk after christmas. I am seeing slow improvement [End]
Re: Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis by NaturalLover 5 year 19,067

the nightshades do not affect my p, but the dairy and eggs do a number [End]

Re: Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis RN by polaris700 5 year 20,034

Good to hear you hubby’s doing well. I too have gotten of the dairy products to help clear my psoriasis as well. ... ... I am a firm believer in that certian foods do play a major cause in outbreaks. ... ... I also found certian veggies will trigger my outbrakes as well ie..nightshades. [End]

Not eating dairy helped my husband clear up his psoriasis

RN by #90569 5 year 22,422 Psoriasis / Milk Debat / Blood Type

I do not suffer from psoriasis myself, but my husband has for the last 34 years. He had a lot of the silvery plaque on both his elbows, on one of his knee and his scalp was really bad with the plaque and he was always brushing his shoulders because of flaking. ... ... I had read a few years back that there is a connection between eczema and psoriasis, and that people who have eczema is because of food allergies. One thing in particular is milk. I suggested to my husband maybe he should try and stop drinking milk and avoid eating ice cream for a while and see what happens. He’s a big milk drinke [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by autistic 6 year 12,830

Hi Laura: ... ... ... ... I also have twins. It has been almost a month ago that I started raw goat milk for my autistic twin kids. I was informed by books, articles and websites about ... Casein and glutein diets could help children improve with autism. About that time i was alwaysseeking information related to this disorder. I usually used to avoid any dairy products because i am personally allergic to cow’s milk too. I never found out that i am allergic to it until my 25s. I also learned that autism is one of autoinmune disorder a degenerative disease. So instead of seeking books related to autism, ... [retrieve this message]

Ron Paul: Health Freedom Rider (pertains to raw milk becoming illegal in... by dpd 6 year 1,301

... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56tiOnGSgyQ ... [End]

Re: p.s. by sandover 6 year 1,647

Christi, ... ... I would not think twice about accepting milk from the source you describe. I have worked on a raw dairy farm and am presently a customer of one, and from both sides of the fence, so to speak, collecting and storing milk is not that difficult. ... ... You might want to offer to help her milk her cow! I have a friend who trades cow-milking for the milk itself. If you are the only ”client” you will have far more milk than you can consume, so consider finding some other people to help/receive milk. A neighbor lets local kids help with the care and upbringing of her sheep, and in return ... [retrieve this message]

It is time to take back our health care! by #16098 6 year 1,075

... The federal government has turned a free market health care system ... that was once the envy of the world into a centrally-managed ... disaster. Few people realize that 35 years ago Congress forced the ... current system on the American people. While patients and doctors used ... to be in charge, now corporate America, HMOs, big drug companies, and ... government bureaucrats command the ship. The results: the latest data ... from the World Health Organization ranks the U.S. health care system ... 37th in the world. ... ... This coming presidential election we have an extremely rare chance to ... reverse course. Dr ... [retrieve this message]

California's Life-Giving Raw Milk Will Become Illegal March 2008 by grzbear 6 year 1,433

from ... ... ... ... http://www.newstarget.com/022303.html ... ... ... ... NewsTarget.com printable article ... ... Originally published November 28 2007 ... California’s Life-Giving Raw Milk Will Become Illegal March 2008 ... ... by Rami Nagel ... ... ... ... (NewsTarget) Many people’s lives and good health depend on their access to certified, raw grass-fed milk from happy cows. California used to have one of the most liberal raw milk laws in the country, allowing raw milk to be purchased in grocery stores. However, on January 1, 2008, California raw milk producers will face new requirements for bacteria counts in ... [retrieve this message]

Ron Paul Introduces Bill Allowing Interstate Transport of Raw Milk by #16098 6 year 1,068

... http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul422.html ... ... ... And he’s running for president.... ... http://ronpaul2008.com ... [End]

Re: What is exactly RAW MILK? by warthog 6 year 2,301

Raw milk needs to come from the right animals, raised in the right fashion. ... ... ... http://www.realmilk.com ... ... ... I either drink it bottled, where it went straight from the cow, or in certain foods gently cooked at lower temperatures. There are other options - raw butter, raw cheese (which may have been heated up but not ”high enough” not to be called raw, and may or may not have been aged for a period), or something cultured, like yogurt, kefir, ”buttermilk,” creme fraiche, sour cream. I’m not talking about the commercially done products, some of which were pasteurized first, then had thei ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Kina silly question concerning 'creamtop milk' by warthog 6 year 2,124

This is what happens to the fats during pasteurization. Cream & milk that doesn’t have them is homogenized (forcing fats through tiny holes) or otherwise filtered to remove them. They probably aren’t any worse than the rest of the pasteurized milk - you’ll find that ”clumping” no matter what pasteurized non-homogenized ”cream top” milk you buy. I won’t drink that stuff anymore, though - only raw milk from the right dairy. [End]

Re: dinner with a two-time cancer survivor by warthog 6 year 2,443

Thanks for posting this...gee I found this late. ... ... Here’s what I can tell you: drinking raw milk from cows not fed grain, healthy cows who are living in the sun...that milk tastes GOOD. Not ”hmm, what’s that gross pus aftertaste.” But as the other posters indicate, you have to find out what makes up that ”pus” in the first place. ... ... Something to ponder: would human breast milk be immune from that ”pus,” or is it supposed to be some disgusting feature of cows only? Hmm? ... ... There are 2 kinds of ”raw milk” - the kind from cows raised in the wrong conditions, unhealthy stuff - and then the ... [retrieve this message]

Kina silly question concerning 'creamtop milk'

by mok 6 year 2,350

I got a jar of milk from a friends who buys from a familys farm run buisness and anyway its listed as 2% pasteruized creamtop milk. ... Theres a number of curds floating in it and I was wondering if that meant it was going bad or if your supposed to drink that way? lol ... -thanks [End]

Milk in the Bible by traderdrew 6 year 5,774

... http://www.jonbarron.org/newsletters/03/4-7-2003.php ... ... ... The bottom line is that milk is great food . . . if your goal, that is, is to grow up and become a 1,200 pound cow. ... ... So, what do you use instead of milk? Try one of the milk substitutes. Most health stores sell rice milk or oat milk or soy milk (if used in moderate amounts). Find one that you like and use it. And you can even find organic versions of these products. ... ... Note: Whenever I talk about the negatives concerning dairy, someone invariably brings up the Bible and the biblical promotion of ”milk.” And yes, the Bible does ... [retrieve this message]

Re: p.s. by christihzlwd 6 year 1,745

Well, she is not new to having or raising cows, but she has not had a dairy cow, although her husband was around them alot, she is not going to do anything to this milk, , the milk is pretty much just for me and the calf, she may make some butter but thats it, she tells me I should boil the milk before I drink it, I am the one who wants a source of raw mild, because I am not close t any organic farms and I cant even afford organic milk, she will give the milk to me for free, or really cheap. Thanks so much for the help, any other input is welcome and will be helpful, sincerely Christi [End]

Re: What is exactly RAW MILK? by judy g 6 year 2,341

Is raw milk completely not heated. ... ... Yes. It is filtered and that’s about it. ... ... If you do get raw milk, do u drink it without boiling it first??? ... ... Absolutely. ... [End]

Re: raw milk GA by judy g 6 year 2,061

I am very pro-raw milk but would carefully check out any source where testing of the milk is not regulated. [End]
What is exactly RAW MILK? by San2006 6 year 2,309

Is raw milk completely not heated. If you do get raw milk, do u drink it without boiling it first??? ... ... [End]
raw milk GA by rockville8 6 year 2,468

Just learned we can in fact buy raw milk in GA but it must be labled not for human consumption or strictly for animals only. [End]

Re: dinner with a two-time cancer survivor by Ohfor07 6 year 2,348

Thanks for this information Grz. ... ... This will make good reading/educational material. I’m going to print it. This way I can then share it with people the next time I confront this ”pus” notion. ... ... PS: I did not mention what Irv told me. The pastuerization process (heat), at least back then, was applied first, then the pounding/pulverizing/filtering ”homogenization process” was done. This at least suggests to me that whatever the collective gunk/pus/residue is that dairy people claim is left behind in the tank, is in part residue of natural organisms - both friend & foe alike, that were eit ... [retrieve this message]

Re: dinner with a two-time cancer survivor R by grzbear 6 year 2,760

ALL MILK, including human breast milk, naturally contains somatic (white) cells, which are critical in fighting infection and ensuring good health. ... ... This is what many, knowingly or not, refer to as ”pus” in milk. ... ... ”The majority of the cells in a somatic cell count are leukocytes (white blood cells), and some are cells from the udder secretory tissue (epithelial cells). The epithelial cells are part of the normal body function and are shed and renewed in normal body processes. The white blood cells serve as a defense mechanism to fight disease (infection), and assist in repairing damage ... [retrieve this message]

dinner with a two-time cancer survivor

R by Ohfor07 6 year 2,989

This past saturday evening I attended a harvest-dinner hosted by the husband and wife who run a small farmers-market that itself is an adjunct to the CSA (crop share association) they have been running for about 10 years now. The quick background to my experience of coming to know this couple is, about 2 months ago, while reading various articles connected to Jerry Brunetti, I found out that within 10 miles of where I live there is a small dairy operations locally producing raw milk and a few derivative products (namely, cheese). The first day that I drove to that dairy I took the opportun ... [retrieve this message]

p.s. by judy g 6 year 1,856

... I am all for raw milk . . . but let me not forget reasonable caution . . . it’s not like raising tomatoes after all. ... ... Is you friend new to raising cows? Is he going to be testing the milk for bacteria levels, etc.? . . . I would recommend that. Despite one’s best efforts, sometimes bacteria levels climb (like in humans), and, if they are high enough, you don’t want to drink the milk. [End]

Re: How does it taste? by judy g 6 year 1,808

It is really difficult for me to imagine someone describing raw milk as awful. It is not THAT different from the store-bought junk. To me it tastes better, fresher, more alive. One thing that cannot always be controlled is what the cows eat (if they are out in the field, which hopefully they are). Chomping on a patch of onion grass can have an impact on how the milk tastes! [End]

Re: How does it taste? by Ohfor07 6 year 1,823

this is milk right out of their cows, now yet pasteurized nor homogenized....in other words, big-agri form of raw milk, although I beleive it is really not fair nor even accurate to still call this stuff milk. Even though it reeked to my senses, I drank it, and for the next week that taste/odor permeated my sense of smell/taste....like it was stuck inside me and oozing out of everything in me. A week later I then bought the first gallon of raw milk. I took it home, poured a big glass, chilled in the freezer, chugged it down, and immediately was reminded of that pleasing sensation from man ... [retrieve this message]

How does it taste?

by christihzlwd 6 year 1,829

My friend who owns a small non working farm, has just bought a dairy cow, I have always wanted to try to drink raw milk, now I have the chance, except people keep telling me it tastes awful, including my friend who owns the farm, is it really that bad? Thanks so much, Christi [End]

Dairy Products & Bone Loss

by traderdrew 6 year 1,905

Nutritional biochemist Jay Foster reported a finding on today’s radio program. ... ... The late Dr. John Lee used to tell his students to go out and find the top five countries in the world that consume the highest amounts of dairy products. Then go find the top five countries that have the highest amounts of bone loss. Then find the countries that consume the lowest amounts of dairy and then find how much bone loss people in those countries have. ... ... I am sure the results would astound most people in the US. ... ... There was also a similar article in a recent issue of Scientific American. ... ... Toda ... [retrieve this message]

My comment/question by grzbear 6 year 2,733

When will people understand that we MUST live with bacteria and viri? ... ... While the government and manufacturers continue to pasteurize, homogenize, irradiate, chemically treat etc. etc. every food in sight, they ignore the KNOWN huge health damaging effects of these practices, all the while telling us that they have our best interests in mind. This in my mind is unconscionable and should be a considered a serious criminal act against the people. The very few people that may be affected by raw foods, in any form are; ... ... 1. sick, with weak immune systems to begin with, or; ... 2. handling, pr ... [retrieve this message]

The Raw Milk Debate Reaches the New York Times and the Washington Post

by grzbear 6 year 3,449 Milk Debate / News / Vegetarian

I was a little taken aback when I read an article by Mike Adams, a vegetarian, when he gave a thumbs up to raw goat and cow milk along with a thumbs way up for kefir. Not only that, he seems to be moving further away from soy than he once was. ... What’s best? Soy milk, cow’s milk, raw milk and fermented milk (kefir) ... From: Mercola ... The demand for raw, unpasteurized milk is booming. According to Sally Fallon, president for the Weston A. Price Foundation, the number of raw milk drinkers is now at about half a million people across the United States -- many of them willingly breaking the ... [Image Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by cancergirl 6 year 8,787

Hi There, came acros this post and thought I would post this reply as I have been looking into this. ... ... RAW GOAT’S MILK! ... Only in America would you have to educate the consumer on the benefits of eating natural foods and boil the life out of the milk to make it safe to drink. There are three vital life saving reasons for consuming raw dairy products. ... ... First: goat’s milk is truly nature’s most perfect food source. It might get a little boring but man can live by fresh non-pasteurized goat’s milk alone. Second: A renewable source of animal fats and the magic 8 essential amino acids that th ... [retrieve this message]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by judy g 6 year 2,744

It’s an individual choice. It is better that commercial milk, but I wouldn’t drink it. [End]

from the trenches of milk V not-milk by Ohfor07 6 year 841

For close to 2 months now I’ve been experimenting with the use of real milk sourced from a dairy about 10 miles away. Here are some things that I’ve observed from first hand experience. ... ... The stink-factor: having grown up on a steady diet of milk 45-some years ago, in the past 10-15 years I’d significantly curtailed my intake, mostly due to what I found as an intolerable stink factor prevalent with present-day store-bought milk. Even when going to the grocery and searching out the freshest product based on best-when-used-by date-stamp, I found two curious results with this modern variant ... [retrieve this message]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by Ohfor07 6 year 2,646

Fortunately, I am not lactose intolerant and can enjoy milk. ... Example 9992, also from the same JB presentation, really puts the notion of lactose intolerant into perspective. Jerry relates the story of people he personally knows who once proudly claimed they were lactose intolerant. Loosley speaking, people tend to refer to this kind of an illness as among the wide spectrum of "allergic reaction". When they first had the opportunity to try real milk, they were of course hesitant from the fear that had been instilled in them; they tried real milk anyway. Guess what they di ... [retrieve this message]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by Ohfor07 6 year 2,574

Anyone familiar with the Jerry Brunetti presentation is also familiar with how he discovered something monumentally significant about real milk milk versus not-milk milk when it comes to the topic of the bacteria scare the public is most frequently encouraged to be most often in fear of as it relates to ”milk”. Among the chores of the friendly bacteria present in ample amounts in raw milk is....... preventing the culturing & colonization of deadly bacteria, like, Listeria, like, E. Coli. Listeria and E.Coli, coincidentally, just happen to be two of the biggest boogeymen stars in the ongoin ... [retrieve this message]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by San2006 6 year 2,642

would organic milk be okay. Its pasteurized though!! [End]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by judy g 6 year 2,564

Antibiotics are a scourge as is pasteurization . ... ... I like the analogy with antibiotics also. One would never, ever consider taking a dose of antibiotics every day in order to prevent a cold, but, in essence, that is what we do to the milk! ... [End]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by San2006 6 year 2,609

Although I have read that RAW MILK is wonderful for health, the best I can buy is Organic Milk. I have been using that, and also drink it in morning with my Whey Protein. ... I also make my yogurt from Organic Milk. Although, my organic milk says its pasterurized, I am hoping it does not contain other bad stuff.(Antibiotics/pesticides etc) ... ... Fortunately, I am not lactose intolerant and can enjoy milk. [End]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by grzbear 6 year 2,584

If you read and understand pleomorphism and the very real NEED for bacteria in order for life to exist, you would not need to ask this question... nor would you fear ANY bacteria at all. ... ... Antibiotics are a scourge as is pasteurization. [End]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by judy g 6 year 2,626

... ISnt pasteurization done to kill all the germs which could cause disease. ... ... In India, ppl can buy unpasteurized milk straight from the dairy farm. And then they BOIL there milk for good amt of time to kill the bacteria. ... ... Yes, pasteurization kill germs that cause disease. The problem is that it also kills beneficial bacteria that can aid digestion and otherwise promote health. For example, many people who thought they were lactose intolerant have found that they can drink raw milk with no problems. Raw milk also produced superior fresh and hard che ... [retrieve this message]

Re: realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by San2006 6 year 2,605

ISnt pasteurization done to kill all the germs which could cause disease. ... In India, ppl can buy unpasteurized milk straight from the dairy farm. And then they BOIL there milk for good amt of time to kill the bacteria. [End]

realmilk.com is the answer, IMHO by judy g 6 year 2,813

... Pasteurization and milk (or other animal products, for that matter) mass produced under horrible conditions are more the problem, in my view. realmilk.com lists many producing and selling real, good old fashioned milk! [End]

Notmilk.com an excellent site by fruitarian 6 year 2,804

Robert Cohen’s ... http://www.notmilk.com ... is an excellent site [End]

New Milk Study Flawed - Jon Barron by Dquixote1217 6 year 2,695

as published in the Jon Barron Baseline of Health Foundation Newsletter July 29, 2007 ... ... www.jonbarron.org ... ... This week we’re going to take a break from our series on the cardiovascular system and discuss a dairy study released earlier this month. According to the results of the study conducted out of the University of Cardiff in the UK and as promoted in media throughout the world, drinking a pint of milk a day may protect men against diabetes and heart disease. ... ... The Study ... ... The 20-year study, published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health , analyzed how the ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Almond Milk Alternative by trembita 6 year 5,274

This links to a recipe for hemp milk: ... ... ... http://nutiva.com/nutrition/recipes/mesquitemilk.php ... ... ... ... trembita ... ... [End]
Raw Milk Update from acresusa.com by grzbear 6 year 1,304

... http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/July07_RawMilk.pdf ... [End]

Dairy lovers show lower metabolic syndrome risk by thall72315 6 year 1,207 News / Milk Debat / Cardiovasc

Dairy lovers show lower metabolic syndrome risk By Amy Norton ... ... NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Men who regularly consume milk, cheese and yogurt may be less likely to develop a cluster of risk factors for diabetes and heart disease, a study suggests. ... ... Researchers found that among nearly 2,400 middle-aged British men, those who drank at least a pint of milk per day were 62 percent less likely than men who rarely drank milk to have metabolic syndrome. A similar pattern emerged when the researchers looked at overall intake of milk, cheese and yogurt. ... ... Metabolic syndrome refers to a group of ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Milk and other organic food & produce resources by Naturalist 6 year 2,369

Real Milk is a part of the Weston A. Price Foundation. Perhaps there is a local chapter in your area. Check here: ... http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html ... ... ... I think you would enjoy their quarterly periodicial. ... ... There is nothing like being around like minded people. I know what you are feeling. ... ... I maintain an organic ranch and raise my own milking goats. I love it! ... ... [End]

Raw Milk and other organic food & produce resources

by Ohfor07 6 year 2,424 Organic / Diet & Nut / Milk Debat

... Following are a couple web links. The way the first web site works, it’s a little confusing, but here is a web site : ... www.rawmilk.org ... After perusing the info at this site, I found their ”links” link, which shows a link to the following site: ... www.realmilk.com ... The odd thing is, if you click on the realmilk.com link from the rawmilk.org sight, even after you connect to realmilk.com the browser indicates you are still at rawmilk.org......confusing, this is one of the reasons I’ve put the second link, separately, above. ... The really good news, at least for me, is that realmilk.com has ... [retrieve this message]

More Milking Of Organic Standards. by chrisb1 6 year 969 News / Milk Debat / Environmen

Further to Abuse of Organic Dairy Standards, clearly the race is on to make non organics foods organic. This is the biggest enchilada that could have been thrown at the obscene money grubbing food industry... Just imagine getting organic prices for non organic synthetic, fractionated, empty and toxic foods or should I say non foods! As per my earlier comments on margarine: ... ... ”the real reason is the considerable profit that margarine, and other processed foods bring over the more expensive natural products. The cost of the margarine is based on denatured vegetable oil which only costs a fe ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by finallyfaith 6 year 8,344

thanks, thats good to know. do your goats eat everything in sight? i mean do they eat more per gallon of milk produced than a cow would? or is it the same? i am very interested in this. [End]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by #79971 6 year 10,624

Taste of goat milk is breed dependent,what they are eating, and the cleanliness of the dairy. We raise Registered Saanens, and it tastes no different than fresh Jersey cow milk...actually it’s a bit sweeter. I have had people who swore ”I’d never drink goat milk” eat their hat after trying ours, and ask for more. If the milk is fresh, and the goats are eating fresh pasture, there shouldn’t be that great of a difference in taste between goat vs. cow milk. I have had customers tell us that their kids will drink our milk - but not milk from other farms, with breeds such as Toggenberg, or A ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by warthog 6 year 8,437

Since you didn’t specify what you meant by ”better,” I’m going to throw in a taste note... ... ... Raw goat’s milk seems to be less ”fresh” faster than cow’s milk. ... It kinda seems that way with the fresh cheese, too. ... Then again, I’ve only tried raw goat’s milk once, but raw goat cheese a few times. ... I have much more experience with raw cow’s milk. [End]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by sandover 6 year 8,362

Hi, ... ... We get goat milk from a local farm because it is the closest to our house. I would have gotten cow milk if it had been closer. Although I was happy it was goat as I just feel better about it over all. ... ... I have a friend who gets cow milk from a farm that offers both -- I have borrowed from her when we visit, and there is not that much of a difference in taste, etc. Her boys are all very healthy, too. ... ... The real issue for me after a lot of reading over a long time is processed/grain-fed vs. fresh/grass-fed (and, as the other poster pointed out, milk vs. no milk at all -- I don’t giv ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by traderdrew 6 year 8,527

You can find answers with a google search on both of them. But if you want it from my belief system, cow’s milk was designed for calves. Goat’s milk was designed for baby goats. I believe I have read a dozen reasons why goats milk is superior to cows milk for humans. Goats milk is supposed to be more similar to human milk. I try to stay away from milk for the most part. I don’t worry about calcium deficiency. I get my calcium from supplements and green vegetables and fruit. Cows get their calcium from grass. Cow’s milk has the protein casein in it. Do a google search on casein. ... [retrieve this message]

Raw Cow's milk vs Raw Goat's Milk ? by storyofmylife 6 year 8,948

Which is better and why ? ... ... [End]
Re: Dairy food linked with Parkinson's disease in men by grzbear 6 year 5,685

Dairy ain’t what it used to be... even commercial organic. What we do to food to make a buck, is killing us... [End]

Re: Dairy food linked with Parkinson's disease in men by trapper/kcmo 6 year 4,975

it has to do with blood levels of something. women go through this little blodletting exercise every month and releives these concentrations. whatever it is, it is a neurotoxin. can we say fluoride, boys and girls? or mercury? or perc? [End]

Dairy food linked with Parkinson's disease in men

BSA by thall72315 6 year 7,423 News / Milk Debat / Parkinson’

... Dairy food linked with Parkinson’s disease in men ... ... By Amy NortonThu Apr 19, 2:35 PM ET ... ... A new study has confirmed a relationship between consuming large amounts of dairy products and an increase in the rate of Parkinson’s disease in men, but the reason for this relationship remains a puzzle. ... ... Researchers found that among more than 130,000 U.S. adults followed for 9 years, those who ate the largest amount of dairy foods had an increased risk of developing Parkinson’s disease, a disorder in which movement-regulating cells in the brain die or become impaired. ... ... There was a clear patt ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Burroughs on Milk by crzyakta 6 year 3,947

pasteurization and homogenization (along with antibiotics etc) are what really destroy the milk [End]
Hahaha by #21676 6 year 6,632

Your avatar and your post go together quite nicely lol... ... [End]

Re: Animals DO drink milk from other species by judy g 6 year 6,729

The assertion that the milk of a particular animal is only intended as a food for its offspring has never made much sense to me. One can construct a similar argument for just about any food we eat. Thank goodness I do not believe that rasberries are only meant to make new rasberry plants! [End]

Re: Oops :-P by sandover 7 year 6,739

I’d nurse those tiger cubs -- they are so cute! [End]
Re: Animals DO drink milk from other species by Ev 7 year 11,344

Interesting, but once the child is not a child (in other species) they do not require milk. Usually after infancy. [End]

Re: Oops :-P by White Tiger 7 year 7,254

Photo in the News: Dog Nurses Tiger Cubs in China ... ... ... ... ... 2-year-old cat of of Connellsville, has been nursing, along with her kittens, a 2-week-old pug puppy for nearly two weeks. ... ... ... ... ... Oops :-P ... ... [Image Embedded Here] [End]

Animals DO drink milk from other species

by sandover 7 year 8,067

Often people claim that humans are the only species that drinks the milk of other species. Actually, this is not true. When an orphaned baby animal is fortunate enough to find an adoptive and lactating ”mother,” it will nurse as much as possible. I recently received an e-mail with several pictures showing a hippo with her ”baby” pigs! Granted, each species’ milk is optimal for its young, but that doesn’t mean categorically that other species’ milk is bad! ... ... I also believe that fresh (raw) milk from pasture-fed goats or cows is a valuable addition to a child’s diet. I don’t think the same ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What about milk ? by judy g 7 year 2,124

I’ve never understood that assertion that it is unnatural to drink the milk of another animal - that cow’s milk is only meant for baby cows. One can concoct that kind of argument for just about any food we eat. ... ... But, IMHO, organic is not enough with milk . . . it ought to be raw and of course one should know their source. ... ... ... http://www.realmilk.com ... is a great site promoting good dairy. [End]

What about milk? Go to notmilk.com by stomp_2002 7 year 2,124

Hey, check out ... http://www.notmilk.com ... ... ... Cow’s milk is not really that great for humans, and this website has some incredible stuff. We need to watch the familiar and what we are conditioned to like/use/or ingest -- and really look at things! Guess that is why we are all here on CZ, right? Anyhow, our family just went cold turkey with cow’s milk -- for many reasons and I just KNEW to do it-- even though I do plan to occasionally buy an organic gallon now and then. Anyhow, reading what you all wrote about this has confirmed my decision to oust the stuff-- so thanks for all the shar ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What about milk ? by sug 7 year 2,343

First: God God God! ... ... I2 - your dad and bro are checking the PUS cell count in the milk and maybe taking a sample for bio testing and to see if the farmer has put in water for a little more profit. ... ... Quality dairy processing plants flush the milk if the pus count is too high, some sell it as a lower quality milk which has a shorter shelf life. ... ... Add the fact that the majority of American dairy farmers use artificial growth harmones in production, milk in America can be a gamble. [End]

Re: What about milk ? by Irisheyes2 7 year 2,341

Thanks Milena, ... ... I have changed much of my diet to organic foods and such.... ... I have not bought organic milk yet...BUT fixing to... Straight from the Cow... ... Dad and Bro are Milk haulers for Dairy Fresh milk. They test each batch before they take milk to INSURE SAFE to drink. So know if you get bad milk from somewhere, it was not do to the milk haulers. So If you get bad milk, somewhere in warehouse, Transport to store, or market,.... it spoiled. ... ... ... OH...and the DR. was Christian... So is family and myself...SO naturally said it the way it was by the doctor. ... [End]

Re: What about milk ? by Milena 7 year 2,198

I wouldn’t throw in all the stuff about god, but I agree that it’s unnatural for humans to drink the milk of another animal. Furthermore, if you decide to consume it, it should be in its raw state (where it’s much easier to digest. You should get less mucus, fewer allergic reactions). Also, try to get your hand on goat or sheep milk. The milk from a goat is much more similar to human milk on a chemical level. Your body can tolerate it much better. [End]

What about milk ?

by irisheyes2 7 year 2,719

... ... What about milk ? ... ... It is a natural Product....BUT people add things too it.... ... ... Some say good ..some say bad....It gets confusing for sure.... ... ... ... ... A doctor told mom years ago that.... YOU should not drink milk ! ... ... HE said a baby naturally drinks milk from its moms breast. ... That all creatures drink from its moms breast. ... ... That only time a human child drank milk from another source, is when for some reason, it could not get milk from its mom. ... ... Said that God fixed babies to draw milk from a mom for only a season...Then moms milk would dry up. And then you would drink water, sim ... [Image Embedded Here] [retrieve this message]

Re: What is the Real Issue about Drinking Milk by jordysyd 7 year 2,677

The idea behind culturing pasteurized milk is that you are replacing enzymes and nutrients that were killed during the pasteurization process, making the milk more nutritious and digestible. I would recommend doing this only with organic grass-fed unhomogenized full-fat milk if you can’t get raw. Next best would be organic homogonized milk, and so on down the line. Otherwise, kefir can be made with liquids other than milk. I’m not sure if the benefits of culturing plain old low fat grocery milk would outweigh the risks, what with the pus, chlorine, antibiotics, hormones, and rancid oxidi ... [retrieve this message]

What is the Real Issue about Drinking Milk

by relpub3 7 year 2,763

As you may know, milk is controversial and I believe that drinking regular milk is not good for the body (except raw milk). My question is: ... ... If milk is not good and people make kefir and yogurt out of milk, does that mean that drinking kefir and yogurt out this kind of milk is not good for the body? If it is the probiotics that we are after, we can always take some probiotic food supplement. What is the real story? Help. [End]

Re: raw milk by boronia 8 year 2,363

Surely it depends what milk you’re talking about. Some people believe milk from a cow is meant for calves, not humans. I’m not sure either way really, but I do think someone wants to drink it, raw is probably the best, depending on the strength of their digestion. When I’ve drank raw goat’s milk I get terrible bad breath so have to steer clear. ... Interesting about that woman...if it’s true. ... Anne ... [End]

Re: raw milk by Johnny Vegas 8 year 2,516

I’ve also read that any milk was not meant to be ingested by humans. ... ... Rubbish. We are mammals - we are milk producers!! We are clearly designed to drink milk. ... ... JV. ... [End]

raw milk

by stumpy 8 year 2,656

What are your opinions on raw milk? It read one artiting stating that one woman cured severe candidiasis in intestine(so severe it was gonna kill her) by eating lots of raw saturated fats such as milk, butter,cream ect. Also read that raw milk has acipophilus in it, and if I make kefirin raw milk it would have more beneficial bacteria. ... ... I’ve also read that any milk was not meant to be ingested by humans. ... ... SO what do the candida experts think? [End]

Re: More on milk by aloha1935 8 year 3,079

I drank milk all my life. I don’t drink it at meals. i use powdered goat milk in smoothies. I never drink regular milk and do not like it now. ... aloha [End]

Burroughs on Milk by RowanMorrison 8 year 3,277

Because this is the MC forum, it might be useful to learn what Burroughs has to say about milk: ... ... ”Cows and goats milk is for their babies and is not suitable for the human baby. It creates mucus and other problems just the same as in adults, including colds and infectious disease.” ... ... P. 28, The Master Cleanser. [End]

Re: More on milk by RowanMorrison 8 year 3,284

here’s the article I posted in case the link doesn’t work. ... ... ... All you need to know about milk ... By ANGELA EPSTEIN , Daily Mail ... ... 10:55am 30th November 2004 ... ... Milk: Health drink or deadly danger? ... ... ... Once, it was known as the ultimate health drink. Packed with vitamins and minerals such as calcium and phosphorous, as well as all the essential food groups, milk was considered the perfect way to boost well-being in a glass. ... Over recent years, however, scientific evidence has linked different types of milk to a variety of health scares. Only this week, Swedish researchers declared that ... [retrieve this message]

More on milk by RowanMorrison 8 year 3,236

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_article_id=329013&in_page_id=1798 ... ... ... I’m sorry you feel so defensive about drinking milk that you need to proclaim that it will ”always” be a part of your diet. I don’t think I’d be able to say that about anything except maybe water, LOL. [End]

Re: gross by gemini007 8 year 3,206

i agree with you. milk seems to have a bad rep and i especially love the part where people bring up the fact that we are the only mammals that drink it beyond our beginning years. no milk may serve some people right but here’s an example of why people should not generalize and spread ideas of which they think are healthy ways of eating. ... a girlfriend of mine stopped eating dairy years ago and replaced it with soy products. she recently went and got a body scan and was told that she is in need of dairy (kefyer, goat cheese etc.) because she was allergic to all soy produts! she is now ea ... [retrieve this message]

Re: gross by #35289 8 year 3,241

The ”Great Chain of Being” reasoning is very dated. Humans are not on top of the food chain. Even Darwin recongnized that. ... Also, you are wrong to assume that only overweight people want to cleanse. ... I do feel bad that you got attacked for suggesting a milk diet, but don’t resort to mud slinging, please. ... I am really trying to be helpful when I suggest that if you are severely underweight, you should look into the parasite cleanse. [End]

ooops sorry... by Anya 8 year 3,127

I misread your message - I thought you said you were overweight. Yup - for an underweight person I would think a diet high in dairy stuff would be a good idea but really try and get organic, or consider coconut milk or something. Fruit juices are good too - natural sugar. Also - lots of nuts and carbs. But I wonder why you want to do the MC? I know it’s primarily a cleanse (I’m about my right weight and generally lose about 7lbs on it, of which I put on about 3 after normal eating cos I drink lots of the lemonade) but if you’re actually underweight, perhaps it’s better to get your wei ... [retrieve this message]

Re: gross by sixthbeast 8 year 3,212

I can understand why people on a lemonade diet might not like milk. I suppose most people who go on this diet are overweight and think that cows milk is evil. ... ... Well, i’m not one to go on fad diets and stuff. I mostly stick with traditional things. The milk diet and a diet high in milk products dates back thousands of years in India. Cows milk, goats milk, buffalo milk and other animals’ milk have been part of traditional diets for a long long time. ... ... I think it is safe to say its been tested. That don’t mean a chinese should drink milk, but i think its safe to drink ”organic” pest ... [retrieve this message]

gross by RowanMorrison 8 year 3,390

I’m sorry, but the thought of a ”milk” diet makes my stomach turn. Milk is for baby cows, not adult humans. Everyone laughed in ”Meet the Parents” when Gaylord Focker talked about his sister milking a cat, but milking a cow is just as bizarre. Not to mention that cow’s milk has all kinds of gross things in it like pus, etc. ... ... [End]

Re: lemonade followed by milk diet. by Anya 8 year 3,302

Euch!! I dunno anything about a milk diet but it sounds pretty dreadful... You can of course ignore me or others can hop in here, but not even cows drink milk. It’s meant for calves. We are the only species who suckle beyond our infancy and we really don’’t need to. Also, commercially produced milk has all kinds of growth hormones and god knows what added to it. Unless you’re talking soya milk... The main reason I’m so anti-milk is that a kid of my friend’s suffered from terrible asthma and the doctor suggested cutting dairy products. The difference in just two weeks was incredible, ... [retrieve this message]

lemonade followed by milk diet.

by sixthbeast 8 year 3,442

Has anyone had experience with the milk diet (cure)? ... ... I’m severely underweight for years. ... ... I plan on doing a 20 day Lemonade fast followed by an extended milk diet. ... ... I will use the SWF as a laxative for both diets. ... ... Any suggestions, comments? [End]

Re: Did you find a Substitute for Cottage Cheese by arauco 9 year 5,619

Yes there is a substitute for cottage cheese. It is yogurt. Plain yogurt without sugar or any other sweetener. The recomenmdation for ussing cottage cheese it is because the synergetic effect that makes the flax seed oil to work more effectively due to the sulfur containt of cottage cheese. With yogurt you can do more or less the same but never with a fruit juise. ... ... [End]

Almond Milk Alternative by rudenski 9 year 4,640

All-Natural Almond Milk ... ... 1 1/2 cups of raw almonds, soaked in water overnight ... 4 cups of filtered or spring water ... 3-5 dates (optional) ... ... Blend 1 ½ cups of raw almonds that have been soaked overnight in 4 cups of water. Blend with dates if you like your milk with a hint of sweetness. Strain once to remove almond granules. The result is a delicious, creamy milk that is free of harmful vegetable oil, concentrated sweeteners, and the problems associated with cow’s milk and soy. It can be stored safely for 3-4 days in the refrigerator. ... ... ... [End]

Re: What happens to a baby cow within 60 days if it's fed processed milk... by PamPinto 9 year 4,159

What about Kefir. ... I drink alot of dairy, but make kefir. ... Shoule I be concerned...any thoughts anyone Moving to Massachusetts? ... [End]

Soy is not bad, chemicals are bad. by pinkfloyd 9 year 4,222

Don’t be against soy and milk. Be against the hormones and pasturization and processing. You know that stuff isn’t good for you...... ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© ... ... The WORST thing about drinking milk is the hormone injections that the cows get, obvously, especially if you’re a man. But beyond that, you just have to make a judgement for yourself. I don’t think it would be smart to consume an endless amount of milk and dairy products, as MOST people do. Far from it! However, I see no problem with adding some farm-raised cow’s milk to a cup of tea every once in a while.... ... ... Wha ... [retrieve this message]

Re: "Safe levels of say intake" by Karlin 9 year 4,065

Sure, there are good things about Soy, like high protien levels and so on. ... it was never much of a traditional food anywhere in the world though... ... ... Your diet may be better off eating Soy than meat. If it is a substitute, then you maybe made the right decision. Dairy too could be worth usinjg soy to replace it. ... ... using something else again may be the best choice! ... soy does have these special TOXINS in it naturally and also artificialy. see links - have you read this? ... ... ”Safe levels of SOY intake” is the first link. I printed it off and left it at the stores and doctors offic ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw milk a difference in opinion by outlikeelijah 9 year 2,852

Hi folks, ... ... I’m new here, but getting good information about this topic is very dear to my heart as raw goat milk and raw goat milk kefir have been pivotal in restoring my health. Something that I’ve learned over the past year of having my own goats is that what the animals are fed makes a huge difference in the palatability and health of the resulting raw milk. We need to be careful of making blanket statements about raw milk because it’s a living food and indeed as such fragile. There’s a great group now on yahoogroups discussing the science of this very thing at RawDairy@yahoogroups ... [retrieve this message]

Pros and Cons About Soy Products -- No Pros At All? by slogging along 9 year 9,509

I gotta admit I’ve been eating soy products every day, mainly because I’ve cut way down on animal proteins...and have nixed dairy foods entirely. And...true...I have also read that soy can adversely affect the thyroid, etc. But then we read that the soy industry is as powerful as the dairy industry, and therefore as ”deceitful.” ... ... Both the dairy industry and the soybean industry claim their goodies are better for us than their ”competitor.” Gets confusing. I don’t think I’m allergic to soy, but then who knows! Maybe I’d feel a heck of a lot better if I tried giving it up too. So wh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Not soy for this boy - toxins special to soy by Karlin 9 year 4,463

Well I am glad you are thriving on it, but again, I must warn of the toxins that are in soy, both naturally occuring and pesticides, herbicides toxins. ... Being ”blood type A” does not mean that your body can deal with the toxins of soy, and soy growing and processing. Or is that what you mean? I need to see some research to believe that!I do not mean to upset you by this, I am just digging at the truth here, not trying to find fault or anything like that, Sorry if you are offended jani. ... ... What you are saying is that blood type A needs the protiens, right? And thise are found in soy, righ ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Have Changed My Mind; Not Even Yogurt by Ev 9 year 4,267

Organic unpasturized yogurt is very different. You probably wouldn’t experience the side effects of every day ”milk” (sludge) ... You see when the milk isn’t pasturized it keeps all the naturally occurring vitamins, minerals, amino acids and enzymes that help us to digest milk. ... That doesn’t mean you should drink it constantly, but yogurt is very different and can be a healthful food. [End]

Have Changed My Mind; Not Even Yogurt by slogging along 9 year 4,238

Since I wrote my earlier message about taking up with yogurt again, I’ve given it more thought and research. (Both www.nomilk.com and www.notmilk.com are excellent resources.) And I’ve decided not to return to the milk game at ALL. I keep thinking clogged up nose, etc. Who needs that! [End]

Re: What happens to a baby cow .... by jani 9 year 4,100

Soya is good dairy alternative for blood type A. Jani [End]

Any objection to organic plain, fat-free yogurt? by slogging along 9 year 4,193

I was raised in the milk state of Wisconsin, but in my thirties I came to the (wise?) conclusion that dairy foods are detrimental in many ways. Now, in my sixties, I’ve recently started to take half a cup of Stonyfield Farms organic yogurt in the morning before the rest of my breakfast (cooked whole grain cereal, home-made whole wheat bread, etc.). Although I know that fruit should be eaten separately, I’ve been adding ripe banana and blueberries to the yogurt, and it does taste good. No other sweetening necessary. ... ... It’s the only dairy food I eat. Guess the hype about calcium (even ... [retrieve this message]

Re: don't sub SOY; How about organic milk? by Karlin 9 year 4,394

I found some organic milk, without horemones , and without pesticides used in the feed. ... ... i like it, it doesn’t go bad the same way either. ... ... It is pasturised, as that is law here [Canada].I wish I could make that choice!! ... ... SOY ... As for using soy milk, my suggestion IS ”DON’T.” ... Link below for soy toxin articles. ... Soy has not been proven safe, but it has been heavily promoted, byt the marketers of soy and processed soy products. ... Soy Online service, or is the site for info, but I cannot get a link to paste, Copy and paste that into the bar above the window to connect to ... [retrieve this message]

Re: What happens to a baby cow .... by canadian yoda 9 year 4,109

What about Soya Milk....I have been drinking this for 3 years after switching to it from Cows Milk...Is it okay ?? ... I know that some say soya beans aren’t as great as we have read bet how about the Milk... ... [End]

Re: What happens to a baby cow within 60 days if it's fed processed milk? by mama23 9 year 4,153

What a great article! I am curious to know the authors opinion of raw milk. ... [End]

What happens to a baby cow within 60 days if it's fed processed milk?

RN by LCD 9 year 8,123

From the February 2000 Idaho Observer: ... ... ... Does milk really look good on you? ... ... ... What happens to a baby cow within 60 days if it’s fed processed milk? ... ... It dies. ... ... by Ingri Cassel ... ... Pasteurized, homogenized cow’s milk has been promoted as the perfect food for ... humans, especially for our children. This multi-generational advertising ... campaign has been so successful that the industry has a $multi-million ... advertising budget and a legislative lobbying influence in congress so powerful ... that every child in a public school receives a pint of milk each day -- whether ... he or sh ... [retrieve this message]

Re: Raw milk a difference in opinion by MentalNomad 10 year 2,965

India is a third world country, most do not even have refrigerators. The milk probably does spoil faster there, but as to it being dangerous for human consumption is ridiculous. And yes, fresh milk does have less of a shelf life--it only tastes good for about a week, and the best when it is fresh from that day. Rather than pasturized, which can last two--three weeks. This person that wrote it I believe is just one of those that feel they are protecting the people by saying drink paustrized...but they are sorely mistaken. What they are selling as ”Milk” these days is a poor substitute for t ... [retrieve this message]

Raw milk a difference in opinion

by wingnut 10 year 3,017

I was looking to buy some raw milk and found this site. I know that people at this forum use raw milk and seem to do fine it with it. ... ... Unprocessed milk - health hazard ... ... India ranks first in milk production in the world but the quantity of milk being processed in the organized sector is hardly 10 per cent of the total production. The rest of the milk is either retained by milk producers or is sold through middle men. In villages and big cities, a large volume of milk is being supplied by middlemen and vendors for human consumption. This raw milk has a high bacterial count, which is a he ... [retrieve this message]

Did you find a Substitute for Cottage Cheese by Hazel 10 year 2,770

It has been sometime since you posted this message... did you find a subsitute for cottage cheese... I have a similar situation. [End]

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