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  • Obama Admits He Was A British Citizen "At Birth"   by  #29621     13 y     4,270       5 Messages Shown       Blog: Son of "Truth of Self"
    "obama admits he was a british citizen "at birth" - as such, obama is not a natural born citizen of the united states and neither were the framers of the constitution, hence the grandfather clause in article 2. section 1, clause 5 of the us constitution

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    (this blog post below contains the single most controlling legal precedent establishing senator barack obama's ineligibility to be president under the constitution. ...)

    don't be distracted by the birth certificate and indonesia issues. they are irrelevant to senator obama's ineligibility to be president. since barack obama's father was a citizen of kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the united kingdom at the time of senator obama's birth, then senator obama was a british citizen "at birth", just like the framers of the constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on us soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be president.

    the framers of the constitution, at the time of their birth, were also british citizens and that's why the framers declared that, while they were citizens of the united states, they themselves were not "natural born citizens". hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in article 2, section 1, clause 5 of the constitution:

    no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the united states, at the time of the adoption of this constitution shall be eligible to the office of president;

    that's it right there.

    the framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be president, but they didn't want future generations to be governed by a commander in chief who had split loyalty to another country. the framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. they did, after all, create the constitution. but they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of presidents being born under the jurisdiction of foreign powers, especially great britain and its monarchy, who the framers and colonists fought so hard in the american revolution to be free of.

    the framers declared themselves not eligible to be president as "natural born citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

    but nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be president under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the us at the time the constitution was adopted.
    the framers distinguished between "natural born citizens" and all other "citizens". and that's why it's important to note the 14th amendment only confers the title of "citizen", not "natural born citizen". the framers were citizens, but they weren't natural born citizens. they put the stigma of not being natural born citizens on themselves in the constitution and they are the ones who wrote the document.

    since the the framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born citizens" due to their having been subject to british jurisdiction at their birth, then senator obama, having also been subject to british jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born citizen" of the united states.

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    barack obama's official web site, fight the smears, admits he was a british citizen at birth. at the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official certification of live birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:
    factcheck.org clarifies barack’s citizenship

    “when barack obama jr. was born on aug. 4,1961, in honolulu, kenya was a british colony, still part of the united kingdom’s dwindling empire. as a kenyan native, barack obama sr. was a british subject whose citizenship status was governed by the british nationality act of 1948. that same act governed the status of obama sr.‘s children.

    since sen. obama has neither renounced his u.s. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to kenya, his kenyan citizenship automatically expired on aug. 4,1982.”

    that is a direct admission barack obama was a british citizen "at birth".

    my law suit argues that since obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the united states. a "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the united states. the framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. the status referred to in article 2, section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".

    the other numerous law suits circling obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. since obama was, "at birth", a british citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether obama was born in hawaii or abroad. either way, he is not eligible to be president. should obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in hawaii, it will not change the fact that obama was a british citizen "at birth".

    obama has admitted to being a british subject "at birth". and as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to british jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be president of the united states.

    as i have argued before the united states supreme court, the 14th amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. it simply states that a person born in the united states is a "citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the united states.

    article 2, section 1, clause 5 of the constitution of the united states:

    "no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the united states, at the time of the adoption of this constitution shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the united states."


    the most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a citizen of the united states, at the time of the adoption of this constitution..." you must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the constitution were, at birth, born as british subjects.

    stop and think about that.

    the chosen wording of the framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to british jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to british jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the united states. and so the framers grandfathered themselves into the constitution as being eligible to be president. but the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a citizen... at the time of the adoption of this constitution. obama was definitely not a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.

    and so, for obama or anybody else to be eligible to be president, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the united states "at birth". it should be obvious that the framers intended to deny the presidency to anybody who was a british subject "at birth". if this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the framers themselves to be president.

    if you click through to factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why obama was a british citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes:

    "when barack obama jr. was born on aug. 4,1961, in honolulu, kenya was a british colony, still part of the united kingdom's dwindling empire. as a kenyan native, barack obama sr. was a british subject whose citizenship status was governed by the british nationality act of 1948. that same act governed the status of obama sr.'s children:

    british nationality act of 1948 (part ii, section 5): subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this act shall be a citizen of the united kingdom and colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the united kingdom and colonies at the time of the birth.

    in other words, at the time of his birth, barack obama jr. was both a u.s. citizen (by virtue of being born in hawaii) and a citizen of the united kingdom and colonies (or the ukc) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the ukc.' "


    the article goes on to state that obama's british citizenship was transferred to kenya as kenya became independent from the uk and that obama's kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old. but none of that is relevant since the constitution requires that every president be a "natural born citizen". the word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth". if this were not the case, then, as stated above, the framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause.

    the framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become president. but the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were citizens at the time of the constitution's adoption. and so, barack obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the united states and neither is john mccain who was born in panama, and neither is roger calero who was born in nicaragua."

    Also regarding the alleged birth certificate:
    http://www.henrymakow.com/birth_certificate_pixels_dont.html


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    • Re: Obama Admits He Was A British Citizen "At Birth"   by  rudenski     13 y     2,030     0 of 1 (0%)
      The Hawaiian Hospital gave the newspaper this birth announcement in August of 1961.

      Announcement In Hawwaii Paper

      Wider View:Announcement

      Just an old newspaper but the neo conservative warmongers will do whatever it takes to stay in power.
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    • your argument is not relevant to current U.S. law   by  Liora Leah     13 y     2,193     0 of 1 (0%)
      U.S. Citizenship as deemed eligible to be President of the U.S. depends on the circumstances of the citizenship status of the parents, and/or where the birth actually took place.

      Obama Sr. was a British citizen/then Kenyan citizen--this is irrelevant in the case of Obama Jr. The United States does not go by the laws of other countries. Britain (followed by Kenya) could claim the child as a citizen under THEIR laws, but because Obama Jr. was born in the United States (Hawaii), under U.S. law, he is automatically a U.S. citizen. In this case, the citizenship status of his parents doesn't even matter--his parents could have been "resident aliens" or even "illegal aliens" and he would still be an automatic U.S. citizen at birth and eligible to be President because he was born in U.S. territory.

      (In Obama Jr.'s case, his MOTHER was a U.S. citizen when he was born; she lived in the United States for at least 5 years. One can even make the argument that IF Obama Jr. had been born outside of U.S. territory, he would STILL have been given automatic U.S. citizenship at birth and been eligible to be President because of his MOTHER'S citizenship status. Again, his father's citizenship status would be irrelevant. Again, this is according to U.S. law, not based on British/Kenyan law.)

      SEE BELOW


      From:
      http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html


      To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born.

      Natural-born citizen

      Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

      The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

      Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

      --ANYONE BORN INSIDE THE UNITED STATES (emphasis mine--end of argument re: Obama Jr.--read on if you want more interesting information)


      --Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
      --Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
      --Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
      --Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
      --Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
      --Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
      --A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

      *****Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.*****





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