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  • My 120-day fast on vegan urine/water (later will add green juice)... by jerksforthesedentary
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        • Re: Arnold Ehret   by  jerksforthesedentary     15 y     1,422
          Subject:   Re: Arnold Ehret
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          Date:   2/25/2006 10:29:55 AM   ( 15 y ago )
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          Absolutely - nothing kind about it - and can you maybe in return answer the question to you posted on Fruitarians Support forum? Believe me, I bought wholly into Ehret in the early mid-90s days of raw-foodism, when nothing else was around anyway and I had no Internet. I'd so very much like to have even a hint of evidence, even anecdotal, it's worth trying all-fruit again (actually, Ehret _speaks_ of leafy grees and fruit, which may indeed be just fine - somehow I interpreted him to _really_ be promoting all-fruit, all juicy fruit - anyway, that is what I did). But I gather you wish explanation for saying that today's raw-foodists, both lay and "professional guru", think Ehretone big dangerous mistake? Is that what you sought clarification on? I can certainly explain. Also, do a simple websearch for something like "raw "too much sugar"" or "raw "too much fruit"" and you might come up with several raw-food "experts" against the Ehretian ideal. The current wave in raw-foodist thinking is slanted towards the Cousens-alkalarian line - I by no means like Cousens, but the iteratue on overgrowth of microforms and the importance of mineralized raw foods is rather impressive and not easy to refute.I know of no-one, personally or by reputation, who is a living example of refuting that a frugivorous diet is not optimal. I've tried mightily to refute it. I've tried mightily to refute that a frugivorous diet is unhealthy, and have not been able to do so, from myself, or anyone I know or know of. We are naturally dubious of "health prophets" who die young - some like Shelton and Krok and Fry (and other old-time fruitarian writers) don't actually eat the way they preach, but Sapoty Brook, an apostate from the lame if game Fruitarian Network, notes in his book that it's interesting that Ehret died at 56 from an accident Brook feels would not have been fatal if his bones had had any minerls in them - food for thought. In anyevent, I'm not sure what your objection is to the comment on raw-foodists lamenting the Ehret line - if you ask the majorty of today's raw-foodists, they will come down strongly against the promotion of Ehretism - that seems to be well-known. Some of them will stress the high-sugar, low-mineral side, some will stress the high-mycotoxicity and thus acidity-promoting side, and some may still be speaking of low-protein and nutritional deficiency of variouus kinds. On rawfoodsupport.com forum, sometimes people will ask advice about whether to follow an Ehretian style dietary, and will basically find no-one there (real people, really raw-foodists) promoting it or claiming it's been healthy for them, let alone near optimal and rejuvenative and healing. From an ethical point of view and a spiritual one, I don't want to kill plants. They are living organisms, and any time I try to justify killing them for my food, I literally sound exactly like people who justify killing animals sothey can eat them. Exactly the same things they say. That's scary, and it troubles me, and I don't like it one bit. Thus, for me to follow and recommend frugivory, I would not need it to be _the healthiest_ dietary to follow, but the press, my own experience, and real people's real experience (both those who follow it and those who used to), condemn it as markedly anti-healthy. Now, I hate Tom Billings as much as any fruitarian! but youwill not find the people who have reallyhad success with their raw diets, genuinely followed year by year, the people who have met with other long-term raw-foodists, not dissing 100% frugivory _as an actual practice_, not dissuading people from the adoption of it. Are you not aware of this? It is common raw-food knowledge. The raw-foodists today are into greens and fighting Y/F overgrowth and acidity/mycotoxicity. Some are even into supplements! Now, does that mean that they know what is right, what will work, for _you_? Or me? Or any individual? No. I would not say you are wrong to follow Ehret, it may work for you and in any case in some respects mistakes have to be made by the individual, and experience gained empirically. If you have success, I certainly would like, and need, to hear about it. But it's not a controversial statement, or news, to say that modern raw-foodists lament Ehretist teaching on diet as a mistake, and a pernicious one. When the fruitarian forum here, or elsewhere all over the Web, picks up with glowing, euphoric, high-vibe frugivores sharing their epiphanies and transformations, Ehret will no doubt be revenged on the current swing on the pendulum.

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