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  • My 120-day fast on vegan urine/water (later will add green juice)... by jerksforthesedentary
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                  Date:   2/26/2006 3:19:21 PM   ( 15 y ago )
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                  So as I was saying, I can't wait to get off this fast and start frug again, now. I've felt countless times the repugnance you describe about the raw huckster scene, and the denatured eating involved, and the magnetic force of all-fruit, but as any times as I've tried it since I actually was fruitarian, I've given it up for the reasons indicated. It'll be great if the fast leaves me ready for it. Some anti-fruitists say we are just to toxic now to be all-fruit, and I've never liked that line, but perhaps this fast will purify me sufficiently.

                  You're pretty much where I was when I was fruitarian and all-fruit was genuinely my profound, heart-breakingly tears-of-relief salvation, and "purity" was the watchword. How it was the watchword! I find nothing terribly suspicious about that psychologically, but at the same time, I think it's a pschologically and physically pertinent concept when one has suffered so much from crippling ailments of body and spirit, lived with, indeed in, imminent death. The hope of fruitarianism for me only ever lasted three months, but there was a kind of hope embodied just in being in all-fruit, so far away and safe from the on-fruit life. Verily, as Wittgenstein says, the world of all-fruit is different from the world of fruit and I never wanted to go back to that other world of pain and death. Every day I regret with remorse and anguish having done so, for the worst foreboding could not have been more ferociously cruel than the reality has been, in ways I never even dreamt of suspecting it could be. All the worst someone could have foretold - and so, so, so much more. More destruction than, and of such a kind, I could ever have conceived then, the day I decided to "suspend" my frugivory (merely incidentally, it was after a visit to a doctor to pacify my mother's haranguing about my fruitarianism, even though I felt fine, happy, and sharper than I had in years).

                  I think you should fast, too! You don't have to say much, since you think that kind of comme il ne faut - I gather you must disapprove of my weblog, but I disagree with you, speaking for my own experience, about books being better than forums and 'blogs. The fact is a lot of those old people lied, if not more than the new hucksters about their "walk", then just as much. It's easy to write, difficult to live. I no longer think anyone inspiring who doesn't actally do what he/she is writing about, however well they write. Nor am I inspired by "good writers" of inspirational fastin or food books who look like crap or die young or who think speciously and fuzzily. I think for me it's much better to read people who are actually out there right now fasting, or doing all fruit (as you are). You are of immeasurably more value than Essie Honibal or Johnny Lovewisdom or any of those people. That just seems obvious to me. But it's equally obvious that we must feel comfortable with the medium through which we get our inspiration, and books are a different medium on many levels than the internet. And it's crucial - a highl individual matter - to get one's inspiratio from whatever gives one inspiration; in something quite intense, delicate, loaded, and in a sense rather lonely and marginalized, intensely personal and individual and psychical and devotional and urgent and transformative and re-organizational as all-fruit, the important thing is to do it, whatever gets you to do it. It doesn't really matter how. And avoid the things that threaten that.

                  As for fasting, I've done reams of fasting reading in the literature, both tree and e-, including the excellent FreedomYou site and book, and I have started and gone off fasts as many times as I've read them. I don't believe I've ever done a non-juice fast for this long, and I believe that it's been in using this site that I've finally been able to stop droppng off (um - so far). I'd call the FreedomYou stuff inspiring and motivating - yes, to start a fast, and you'd definitely think to go through with one as well, but for me that has never been the case. I'd prefer to just be very personal and unpublic and do it from books, and I've tried that for over the past decade, but for me it's never actually worked in reality. There comes a point when the important thing is not to be inspired to do a fast, but to do it! In the autumn I even paid almost $800 to this abomination called Dennis Paulson from fasting.com, a juice-fasting "support service", and bailed out immediately, throwing away all that money that was about half of my monthly income - that was because Paulson is up there with the most noxious, stupid, ignorant, rude, insane people you will ever encouter, and it's a cinch no faster needs that kind of stress, odium, aggressiveness, filth and insanity on his/her fast, which is meant to be joyous and if it isn't is stressful enough without that. So I just left - but, wow, some of those testimonials are the most inspiring things you could _ever_ read in relation to fasting.

                  I don't mind at all your questions/observations; they are welcome. What I mind is the people who are sort of mean - it's not helpful to a faster, can be quite upsetting, and after all they can walk away from me much easier than I can walk away from what they say to me.The pros and cons of forums!

                  As for false advertising and hype, I admit to bing for the intervening years since being frug a desperate victim of this appalling state of affairs. The thousands of dollars in search of some modicum of health and abatement of suffering and pain, rescue from my evil, loveless, hopeless life, that I've spent on algae of all kinds in all formats, maca, angstrom minerals, water Vitalizers, processed goji juice, tachyon (!!), juicers, probiotics, supplements, superfoods, colon cleanses, oxygen, royal jelly, whatever the latest thing they are hyping has been, could have bought a house many times over, I think - paid-in-full. I still can't - I just - can't - believe - the false advertising and hype - it boggles my mind - why, it just isn't _true_ what they say. That alone makes oe lean towards a very simple honorable dietary. (By the way, I'm still enough of an Ehretist to have subterranean misgivings about plant (like lettuce!) toxicity, but still enough into the whole microform movement to wonder how "pure" it is for me to implement a dietary on which molds and fungi thrive, something Ehret and indeed "Doug Graham" never address.)



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