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Republicans Rant about Barry Obamas Pastor. Now Mc Cain may pick Romney as Running Mate? Is this a joke?

I am a Republican, A NYC Giuliani Republican. Not a western, Hate slate Utah , Montana Republican. Lets examine the Church Of Catchers Mitt Romney

Date:   3/28/2008 2:31:45 PM   ( 15 y ) ... viewed 3129 times

I was listening to KKK radio the last couple of days, oh excuse me, kmms radio.

I am a NYC republican, I define Montana and Utah republicans as the "hate slate"

I do not represent that type of hateful republican rhetoric.

This m*o*o*n republican interviewed University Democrats and Republicans. Truth is neither side articulated their support of their party well.

Maybe that's why all the top schools are in NYC, Michigan or back east or Texas..not Utah or Montana

funny thing is that Utah, Montana are two of the biggest welfare states and they are almost all white.

they murdered most people that are not white.

So this m*o*o*n on kmms who actually believes he is on real radio is commenting about the oh so racist reverend writh but then actually says he was a supporter of Mr Mountain Meadows Massacre, Mr women have no rights in heaven, Mr blacks are cursed with dark skin, Mr gays are cursed with aids because they are latter day lepers Romney

The most bigoted Church in the USA , The Mormon Church is the home of Mitt Romney..(Sorry Jana Lee)
But this is a joke. I will write below some of the things that Romneys church believes

Mormon theology teaches that that Cain and his descendants were placed under a curse, namely, black skin, a curse that prevented almost all of Cain's descendants from being allowed entry into the Mormon priesthood. Not until 1978,in a declaration entitled "Official Declaration 2", did the Mormon church finally relent, and allowed blacks into their priesthood.

Mormons believe the Cainites survived the Flood because Noah's son Ham married a Cainite (allegedly). Those who are descended for this couple are Cainites and are under the "curse" of black skin, according to Mormon theology. This doctrine has been the basis of the racist exclusion of blacks from the Mormon priesthood until as late as 1978.

So how do Mormons try to get out of this racist charge?

Well, they sometimes claim a descendant of Ham could technically be any skin color, not just black. However, the reference to dark skin in the LDS scriptures and leaders's speeches rules out this escape hatch. LDS apologists may also try to point to such ethnic groups as the aborigines of Australia, dark-skinned people who were never under the ban. However, this is simply irrelevant. Africans and African-Americans were considered inferior people up until 1978, and the Mormon church has to answer for it.

Now let's look at some of the details.

Racism in the Book of Mormon
1 Nephi 12:23
"And I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations."
1 Nephi 13:15
". . . and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful . . ."
2 Nephi 5:21
"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."
2 Nephi 30:6
". . . a white and delightsome people."
This is the reading of Joseph Smith's original 1830 edition. Smith changed the wording "white" to "pure" in the 1840 printing, though until 1982 the word "white" was again in use.

3 Nephi 2:14-15
"And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; and their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites. And their young men and their daughters became exceeding fair.."
According to LDS theology, the Lamanites are the ancestors of the American Indians. In the verses above we see the unbelievable LDS teaching that the skin of the Lamanites would turn white upon conversion!

Jacob 3:8-9
"O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God. Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, which is the word of God, that ye revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins "
These racist verses persist to this day, though, as mentoned, the word "white" has been replaced with "pure".

As recently as 1960, we read Spencer W. Kimball, later 12th President of the Mormon church, commenting on the Native American Indians as folows:

"I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today as against that of only fifteen years ago. Truly the scales of darkness aref allign from their eyes, and they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people....For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised..."(Spencer W. Kimball, Improvement Era, Dec. 1960, pp.922-3)

Racism is Book of Abraman and Book of Moses
The books of Moses and Abraham provide the "scriptural" basis for Mormonism's prohibition of the "priesthood" to blacks.

Moses 6:8
"For behold, the Lord shall curse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people."
Abraham 1:24
. . . from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.
Abraham 1:26
. . . cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood." (referring to Pharaoh)

Racism in the writings of Brigham Young (second Mormon Pesident)
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 10:110)
Lest anyone think Young was here merely giving us his "personal opinion" as some LDS apologists would like to maintain, he also says:

"I am here to give this people, called Latter-day Saints, counsel to direct them in the path of life...If there is any elder here, or any member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Brigham Young -Journal of Discourses, 16:161).
Elswhere, Young wrote:

"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture" (Journal of Discourses (vol 13, page 95),1870)
Again, in 1854 he writes:

"When all the other children of Adam have had the privilege of receiving the Priesthood, and of coming into the kingdom of God, and of being redeemed from the four quarters of the earth, and have received their resurrection from the dead, then it will be time enough to remove the curse from Cain and his posterity" (Journal of Discourses 2:143).
Bill McKeever cites on his "Mormon Research Ministries" website:

"Joseph Fielding Smith stated, "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race" (The Way to Perfection, p.101).
and again:

"The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom..." (Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.)

The Climbdown of 1978
In June 1978 the First Presidency announced that President Spencer W. Kimball had received a revelation regarding the ordaining of all worthy men to the priesthood. This "revelation," known as Official Declaration 2, can be found in printed form at the end of the Doctrine and Covenants.

In Declaration 2, Spencer Kimball stated that past prophets of the LDS Church had promised that at some time the ban would be lifted and that God, by revelation, had shown him that the day has come. The obvious question to sk is, how could the day have come if Brigham Young could say in (as well as others) Journal of Discourses 2:143 that the time would not come would not come until after the resurrection!

The history of racist doctrine in the Mormon religion continues to haunt this religion to this day. Racist texts in the "Book of Mormon" and other allegedly "sacred" works (Books of Abraham and Moses) continue to expose the racist beliefs of the early Mormon leaders.

The retraction of 1978, allowing "colored" people to the LDS "Priesthood," leaves untouched the underlying racist theology in Mormon theology. Not only this, but the climbdown contradicts earlier dogmatic statements by LDS president Brigham Young (and others). In any case, it is clear that the racist doctrine of the LDS religion, a religion which presents itself to the world as the "restored gospel of Jesus Christ," will continue to haunt the Mormon church for some time to come.


This morning (October 6, 2000) at 11:00, David and Carlie Hardy, Dr. Gary and Millie Watts, and Ted and Kay Packard (all LDS members and parents of gay children) held a press conference in Salt Lake City to publicly ask the General Authorities to address the damaging and inflammatory pamphlets (To Young Men Only, To The One, Letter to A Friend) and either confirm that these outdated pamphlets and everything they say is current, correct and official, or get rid of them. The press conference was well attended and was covered by a broad range of the local media (television, press and radio).

David Hardy is a former bishop in the LDS Church. Dr. Gary Watts is a medical doctor certified in both Diagnostic Radiology and Nuclear Medicine. Ted Packard has a PhD in Counselling Psychology and is on the faculty at the University of Utah. Kay Packard has a PhD in Marriage and Family Therapy and is in private practice. All are parents of gay children.


We are here today as members of the LDS Church and parents of gay children. There are many families in the Church like us that deal with this issue. When you consider all the people who are directly or indirectly affected by the issue of same sex orientation - children, fathers, mothers, siblings, relatives, friends and associates - the number becomes truly significant. We do not resort to making a public statement lightly and without much consideration - we do this only after years of letters and personal pleadings with Church leaders have met with, at best - kindly indifference.

Tomorrow will see the commencement of the semi-annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We acknowledge the leadership of the Church for the influence for good they have worldwide, and the message of support for families that they have made central to the message of the Church. We are here as parents in need of their support.

We have called this press conference to ask the Church leadership to address the damaging pamphlets it continues to print and distribute to Wards and Stakes for use in teaching and counseling parents and their gay children. Although first published over 20 years ago, they continue to be printed and distributed today. The copies of these pamphlets we have here today were obtained from the Church Distribution Center just a few days ago.

These pamphlets have for decades formed a significant part of the understanding within the LDS Church of the issue of same sex orientation. We believe that many in our community are unaware of their specific content. These pamphlets contain hurtful and damaging language that promote fear and entrench ignorance of the realities of this issue; they cause parents to condemn and turn against their gay children - destroying real families - and drive our gay children to self-loathing, despair, and suicide.

Of particular concern is the recent re-release of the pamphlet To Young Men Only which admonishes young LDS men to "protect themselves" by physically assaulting gays when confronted with their homosexuality. This was re-released at the same time as the Matthew Shepard murder trials. Very few people in the LDS Church are aware that one of the two young men convicted of Matthew Shepard's beating death was a young Mormon Priesthood holder. As parents of gay children, it is difficult for us to understand why the Church, in the face of the national attention surrounding Matthew Shepard's beating death, would re-release something as inflammatory, insensitive and troubling as this.

To The One teaches that if our "mechanically broken" children are unable to change their sexua| orientation, the real reason is because they are selfish. We are taught that many such perverts become predators of children. We are taught that medical and scientific findings about the causes and unchangeable nature of same sex orientation are wrong simply because that can be the only answer. We are taught we don't speak about this issue within the Church because if we discuss it or read about it, we are in danger of becoming homosexual.

Letter to a Friend, originally published in 1971, is replete with references to those who struggle with the issue of homosexuality as being "perverts," "abominations," and "servants of Satan." It pronounces in unequivocal terms that same sex orientation can and must be fully "cured," otherwise, "it were better that such a man were never born."

For The Strength of Youth is a pamphlet expected to be carried and read by all LDS youth. It specifically and prominently labels homosexuality as a "perversion" similar to rape and incest.

This is language that teaches our gay children that they are broken, but could change their sexua| orientation if they really wanted to - and that if they fail to change it is because - they haven't been to enough therapy - they haven't prayed and fasted enough - they don't have enough faith - they haven't tried hard enough - they haven't been good enough. This works like a cancer on our children's sense of self-worth.

This is language that teaches our community to fear our children - to believe that their own children are at risk of being molested - or that their children can somehow be recruited or enticed into becoming gay. It motivates and condones violence against our children - cruel verbal and emotional violence in our schools on a daily basis - and at times even physical violence.

This is language that gives the false promise and sets the impossible goal of successfully changing ones sexua| orientation as the standard by which our children are judged by their church leaders, their families, and all with whom they must interact on a daily basis - and by which our gay children must ultimately judge themselves.

This is language born of a failure to examine the realities of this issue that makes of our gay children latter-day lepers. It engenders fear and loathing both in others toward our gay children - and ultimately in our gay children toward themselves.

This is not language that provides any meaningful help or guidance to our children or to us as parents in facing the realities of this complex issue. Like all parents, we are trying to strengthen and hold our families together. This is language that tears our families apart.

At this time, we ask the Church leadership to specifically address these pamphlets - To Young Men Only, To the One, and Letter To A Friend - and either endorse them and everything they say as current, correct and official - or cease their publication and distribution, and instruct local Church leaders to throw away the copies they have. We ask that they revise the pamphlet For The Strength Of Youth to instruct its readers that same sex orientation is neither chosen nor changeable, and to remove its likening to incest and rape.

To the leadership of the LDS Church - whose influence places them in a position to make a real difference in this issue - we say again, "Please hear us." We represent a multitude of real families - real mothers, real fathers, real brothers and sisters - and we have a real need for your help in addressing this issue in a positive and productive way.


David Hardy's press release of quotes from LDS Church publications about homosexuality

Letter To A Friend © 1971 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Author: President Spencer W. Kimbal, past President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. First printing 1971, revised 1978; latest printing post-1996.

Currently distributed to Stake and Ward leadership for counseling parents and their children.


"The death penalty was exacted in the days of Israel for such wrongdoing."

"Perversion is forgivable."

". . .the sin is curable, and you may totally recover from its tentacles."

"Satan tells his victims that it is a natural way of life; that it is normal; that perverts are a different kind of people born 'that way' and that they cannot change. This is a base lie."

"Homosexuality . . . means waste of power, an end to the family and to civilization. One generation of it would depopulate the world . . ."

". . . you are one who has yielded to the enticings of evil people and Lucifer, the 'father of lies'. . ."

". . . you can recover, and you can become the man your Heavenly Father created you to be."

". . . know that your sin is vicious and base."

". . . you should now make the super-human effort to rid yourself of your master, the devil, Satan . . ."

"You do the bidding of your master."

"You are in abject bondage, a servant compelled to do the will of your master, the devil, Lucifer, Satan . . . Is your father the Devil?"

"These unnatural practices are . . . of the Devil, the master liar and deceiver who laughs as he rattles his chains . . ."

"God made no man a pervert"

"So long as you tolerate this 'gay world' and its degenerate people, you are in a very desperate situation . . ."

"Men who die may live again, but when the spiritual death is total, it were better that such a man were never born."

"REMEMBER: Homosexuality CAN be cured."




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