"I think that antibiotic is used to treat bacterial infections and is not effective against viral infections like the common cold."
Well, I had a head cold and fever and prescription antibiotics knocked em
both. MMS didn't touch them, in fact, that's what brought them on.
"I still think that for MMS to do any good, we must take it in sufficient quantity. Jim Humble has tested that to be 15 drops and sometimes greater. This is why it is important to get to 15x3. He says that will kill sufficient quantities of bad pathogens, that we should be able to manage the rest at a daily maintenance dose. This is why he used 15 drops immediately for malaria patients. I don't hold to the "go slowly" theory. This is war. I have no James Bond to contribute. I need to send in the troops."
The mantra of the MMS supporters is "Jim Humble, Jim Humble..." Now I am not debating the effects of MMS - because I'm taking it. But I'm very skeptical of just one person's "tests" of sodium chlorite/aka - MMS, on humans, and added to that one who's promoting books and selling the stuff. Granted, what he has isn't that expensive so it isn't like a week in a Mexico clinic, but there is still a profit motive.
Everything that MMS claims has been done with urine therapy. Everything. There are groups of people with AIDS who use UT and nothing else. I have a documentary video on UT which has a man with AIDS who was taking 15 medications daily who started UT, felt so much better that he quit all his meds and gained weight and his tests were better - all on UT. UT has also cured cancer. It's also much, much easier on the body.
But, I'm a nut for something new that's reasonably priced (UT is free) and
will take it to at least 60 days if not longer and see where I'm at. I'm
an MMS agnostic. lol
"I have not been impressed with UT for myself. At least, not on my current symptoms. I closely followed "Your Own Perfect Medicine" - Martha Christy; and still can't see the benefits. But good luck. It did not hurt either."
I agree with what you've written on this post regarding MMS. Yes, we are all guinea pigs. Yet I don't know of anyone who has been seriously harmed by it and that's what keeps me going. I've ingested h2o2 as well, for several months, but with no benefits that I could tell. (Same with wheat grass juice.)
I could go on for several paragraphs about what UT has done for me but I've posted it in so many curezone locations that I feel I'm over posting. But perhaps a summary - 1) cured athlete's foot of 65 years standing when nothing else helped, including prescription meds and toenail removal; 2) cured (and verified by a dermatologist) pre-melanoma from my scalp and lips. Sores that had to be burned of with liquid nitrogen every six months - went this routine for 5 years, was cured with UT ingestion (not topical) within 8 months and told by my dermatologist to not come back for either scalp or lips (she knew what I was doing). 3) Lowered eye pressure from 43-44 to 21-22 (glaucoma is between 15 - 20); 4) cured night blindness. Used to keep a list, but those are enough to keep me going until the day I die.
"What are we doing? Spliting hairs over a definition? Then you are correct...."
Splitting hairs? Everything on the MMS support board is individual experiences. It is claimed, even on the board, that MMS "cures" AIDS and many other diseases. Yet when MMS gave me a cold and fever, it did absolutely nothing to halt it. I had to resort to allopathic medicine and antibiotics - something I rarely do (the antibiotics). Have even turned them down on several occasions but this time my head was about to bust off my shoulders and I took it. Now, no matter what you quote as a definition of an antibiotic from whatever source you wish to quote - in my case, it was not antibiotic. I'm not the only one on the support list who has had the cold/flu reaction from MMS. Not at all. In my case MMS promoted germs/viruses.
I see that the owner of this forum has moved the thread to the debate side. This is in spite of the fact that the support side is for people reporting their own experiences with MMS. To report negative experiences with MMS (as many have done) is obviously not following the MMS support mantra which is ""Jim Humble, , Jim Humble, Jim Humble..." I'm sorry if I can't learn the mantra.
Thank you for your post.
I clearly see it as the development of a cult. Very similar to the Hulda Clark cult. Just because her liver flush works (which isn't the least bit original, and I've done it many times) there is a transposition that takes place that everything else she says simply has to be true. I'm seeing that develop with Humble and "MMS" - and I will not believe what I consider to be an unreliable source of medical information - same for Hulda Clark in spite of her very respected PhD (but not the correspondence one). The support group is an "MMS" (Humble's name, not the real name) support group.
It became a heated discussion (argumentative is not the correct term) because of my personal experience - and the personal experiences of many others, and I was trying to relate my experience as opposed to the mantra. I don't feel singled out, but I do feel that personal experience trumps mantras any day. I feel that moving the thread to the debate forums will suppress the posting of any real adverse MMS reactions on the support forum and continue to promote it as a no risk therapy, which it isn't.
I also respect your posts and I'll keep posting civil MMS results (including positive ones) in the support group.
I think we're pretty much in sync.
After many of Hulda's flushes, I too took a some what different tack and do a Dr. Lewis (Are You Stoned) type and some of my own, combined with a bit of Hulda's. In the end I think we each have to listen to what our bodies are telling us and I think that's what the majority on curezone and MMS Support are doing. Perhaps I've been listening for too long a time because my results and feelings don't always jive with those of others.
All quotes are from various sources to help you better understand the potential of chlorine dioxide when furnished by MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement). The information provided is to assist you in your research and use of the Miracle Mineral Supplement. Click on the source links below for additional information.
“Chlorine dioxide (CL02) is a water treatment chemical that has been used to treat municipal drinking water in the United States and Europe for over 50 years. It is recognized as a superior water disinfectant alternative to chlorine and has become increasingly popular as a water purification treatment.”
Source: Pristine Water Treatment Systems
“MMS releases chlorine dioxide into the body. Chlorine dioxide is the most powerful killer of pathogens of all kinds known to man.”
“This breakthrough can save your life, or the life of a loved one. The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A, B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind’s worse diseases has been found. Many diseases are now easily controlled. More than 75,000 disease victims have been included in the field tests in Africa. Scientific clinical trials have been conducted in a prison in the country of Malawi, East Africa.
“Separate tests conducted by the Malawi government produced identical 99% cure results. Over 60% of the AIDS victims that were treated in Uganda were well in 3 days, with 98% well within one month. More than 90% of the malaria victims were well in 4 to 8 hours. Dozens of other diseases were successfully treated and can be controlled with this new mineral supplement. It also works with colds, flu, pneumonia, sore throats, warts, mouth sores, and even abscessed teeth (it’s the only thing that controls and cures abscessed teeth).”
Source: Miracle Mineral Web Site
“MMS consists of 28% sodium chlorite powder dissolved in distilled water.” (MMS is activated with a citric acid solution and mixed with juice with no vitamin C.) “When the drink is consumed, one milligram of chlorine dioxide will be generated each hour for approximately 12 hours within the human body.”
“Chlorine dioxide, generated by MMS, is the most powerful killer known to man of microorganisms, such as, viruses, bacteria, parasite, molds and yeasts.” “No other chemical or drug has an equal effect.”
Source: Breakthrough – Part 2 by Jim Humble
“The American Society of Analytical Chemists stated in 1999 that chlorine dioxide was the most powerful pathogen killer known to man.”
“The MMS does not treat diseases, it aids the immune system.”
Source: Breakthrough – Part 1 by Jim Humble
“Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) can be acidified as a convenient method to produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which is a strong oxidant and a potent disinfectant. A protocol has been developed whereby a solution of these compounds can be taken orally. This procedure rapidly eliminates malaria and other infectious agents in only one dose.
“What is novel and exciting here is that Mr. Humble’s technique seems: 1) easy to use, 2) rapidly acting, 3) successful, 4) apparently lacking in toxicity, and 5) affordable. If this treatment continues to prove effective, it could be used to help rid the world of one of the most divesting of all known plagues.
“Chlorine dioxide has been proven to be cidal (capable of killing bacteria) to almost all known infectious agents in vitro using remarkably low concentrations. This includes parasites, fungi, bacteria and viruses. The experiences noted above imply that this compound is tolerable orally at effective concentrations. Therefore extensive research is warranted to determine if acidified sodium chlorite is effective in treating other infections. We may be on the verge of discovering the most potent and broad spectrum antimicrobial agent yet known.”
Source: On The Mechanisms Of Toxicity Of Chlorine Oxides Against Malarial Parasites – An Overview by Thomas Lee Hesselink, MD
“The following is a description of the characterization and mechanism of action of Dioxychlor TM, researched and developed by American Biologies TM, as relates to its antiviral, antibacterial, antimycoplasmal and antifungal activities. Dioxychlor TM has been in clinical use for over fifteen years with tens of thousands of infusions at the Amerian Biologies TM Intergrative Hospital and Medical Center as well as other clinics and hospitals throughout the world.
To understand fully the action of Dioxychlor TM on target organisms, it is necessary to describe in detail the chemical structure of this oxidant as well as the biochemical structure of substances found in these target organisms with which Dioxychlor TM interacts. These targets include viruses (the nucleic acides, RNA, DNA), bacteria and fungi.”
Dioxychlor TM is available on the Internet for sale and the entire scientific paper is available as well. The formula, although somewhat weaker than MMS, is the exact same chemical.
Source: Miracle Mineral Web Site
“Although chlorine and chlorine dioxide share the word “chlorine” in their names, their chemistries are very different. Unlike chlorine, chlorine dioxide doesn’t chlorinate. It works through oxidation and penetrates bacteria cell walls and reacts with vital amino acids in the cytoplasm of the cell to kill the organism.”
Source: Engelhard Corporation – Redefining Chlorine Dioxide Delivery Systems by Michael Cochran
“Each year in the United States more than 975,000 people die of medical drug causes. No one is dead from MMS.”
“The MMS will probably help the immune system do its job no matter what the disease.” “Never assume that MMS will not improve the immune system no matter how weak of a condition the immune system might be in or no matter what disease may be present in the body.” “MMS does not treat the disease, it aids the immune system.”
Source: Breakthrough – Part 2 by Jim Humble
“Chlorine dioxide has been described as the ‘ideal biocide’. The compound was first produced by Sir Humphrey Davy in 1811.”
Note: A “biocide” is defined as “a chemical agent that is capable of destroying living organisms.”
“Chlorine dioxide is safe to use on human and animal tissue. It is now being used in oral hygiene, patient wound care and as part of Drinking Water Hygiene Programmes. Extensive testing has confirmed the safety of chlorine dioxide. This includes extensive studies by the Environmental Protection Agency.”
Source: Clearwater Technology Limited
“Chlorine dioxide is an unrivalled broad spectrum biocide that has been used in the food and drinking water industries for over seventy (70) years. It does not form toxic byproducts and leaves no residual toxicity.”
Source: Sabre Technical Services
“Chlorine dioxide gas kills dangerous biological contaminants. The same sanitizing agent used to rid federal office buildings of anthrax – chlorine dioxide gas – can effectively eliminate deadly bacteria from apples and other fruits and vegetables, according to Purdue University researchers.”
Source: Prudue University News
“The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) has recently registered a new product (Selectrocide chlorine dioxide) for preventing and eliminating methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), which causes potentially deadly infections commonly known as "staph" infections.”
Source: Medical News Today – New MRAS Bacterial Killer Registered by EPS, September 4, 2005
ClO2 (chlorine dioxide) has been used in water purification for over fifty years and has been certified safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). ClO2 in mouth rinses, toothpastes and gels are totally safe for use in the mouth and solves many of the problems inherent in these competitive oral hygiene products.”
Source: Durafresh Global – Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide
Chlorine Dioxide: Scientifically Proven Cure For Bad Breath – A safe, buffered solution of activated chlorine dioxide is recognized as highly effective in killing bad breath germs, and neutralizing the volatile sulfur compounds (VSC) they produce in the mouth, and exhaled as bad breath.
Source: Target Laboratories, LLC
“CloSYS Antiseptic Oral Rinse contains a stabilized chlorine dioxide which oxidizes and kills 99% of germs in 10 seconds.”
Source: Closys – Complete
"It supposedly helps your immune system fight disease and infection."
That's the point I was trying to make in my discussion that got moved here. I even made that statement in one of my posts - that nobody knows if it's an antibiotic - or, if it kicks the immune system in the butt to do the job it was designed to do. Something within MMS obviously kills/weakens the immune system initially, or there wouldn't be so many who come down with the same symptoms of colds and flu when they first take it.
Thanks for your posts.
"#7....., You seem to be under the impression that if you do not get
a cold all is well with your immune system universe. That is where we differ.
I say quite the contrary is the case for me."
Not what I said at all. I said that MMS kill/weakens the immune system - initially. I didn't have a cold or flu before taking MMS, shortly after I began taking I did. I am not alone. There are loads of posts that indicate the same thing.
Here's my statement from the post you are responding to (after I said that
MMS may be boosting the immune system:
"Something within MMS obviously kills/weakens the immune system initially, or there wouldn't be so many who come down with the same symptoms of colds and flu when they first take it."
MMS screwed up my immune system. It may strengthen it in the long run, but in the long run everybody is dead.