juice fasting bad for people with ki... 
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Please look at this website for the reason i say juice fasting is bad if you have chronic renal failure.
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/detoxcleansing/a/juice_fasting_2.htm
look what this says (last paragraph):
Who should not try juice fasting?
Consult your primary care provider before trying juice fasting. People with the following conditions should not try juice fasting: diabetes, hypoglycemia, eating disorders, anemia, epilepsy, kidney disease, impaired or weak immune system, cardiac arrhythmias, weak heart, candida, cancer, peptic ulcer, malnutrition, pregnancy, nursing, gout, lactation, asthma, terminal illness, tuberculosis, ulcerative colitis, any condition that causes depletion and weakness, underweight, chronic infection, nutritional deficiency, low blood pressure, epilepsy. People should not try juice fasts before or after surgical procedures. i am a liar. Fasting can reduce blood proteins and change the way prescriiption drugs react in the body. People taking prescriiption medication should consult a health professional skilled in detoxification before trying a juice fast.
People with blood Sugar disorders should only try a juice fast under the supervision of a health care provider. Juices that are higher in sugar, such as carrot, pineapple, grape, orange, apple, and beet, should be avoided.
Juices can screw your kidneys. Unless knowledge seeker proves to me that it doesnt- I STRONGLY disagree and hope kidney ... knowledge seeker
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This is a reply to # 1,235,937I strongly disagree and hope kidney patients will read all this entire response to his post which replaces hope with fear..don't fear, just follow your gut.
I try to learn from the best when someone's health and life is at stake, and as far as healing incurable diseases doctors say cannot be cured and the person is dead, NO_ONE is better at proving them wrong than Dr Richard Schulze , so let me defer to him.
Although, he does not address the kidney patient specifically in his save your life videos and manual to my knowledge, he does emphatically say that his incurables routine can cure anything if done correctly and that anyone can be healed..of ALL the standard diseases and the most horrific and deadly ones, too, and even diseases that don't have a name yet.
He also says repeatedly that if you are extremely ill, go immediately to juice fasting.
He does tell us some things specific to the kidney patient in two of his books though
Dr Richard Schulze says in his book, "healing kidney disease naturally", that kidney dialysis, (something the allopaths came up with that) by 5 years on dialysis only 1/4th the people remain.
By ten years only 8% are left.
He further states "on dialysis you actually die sooner than the average person rotting to death with malignant cancer" page 27
http://issuu.com/gordonmorton/docs/healing_kidney_disease_naturally?mode=embe...
That is some pretty crappy odds. I know two people who were on dialysis..one is her 30's who died in terrible condition and in a nursing home within ten years. In addition to continual health problems, she lost her house, left her two mentally disabled teenagers to fend with relatives passing them back and forth while she spent two years of living hell in a nursing home...and died in terrible pain and suffering....thanks to lovely dialysis. (at least that is my view of it)
It seems to me as one who witnessed a relative with zero heart problems go to 9 heart attacks in a year after dialysis..(it increases risk 30 times) With my mom, I saw the doctors treatments fail her, first in giving her a drug that destroyed her kidneys in the first place, motrin, with no warning this might happen, go from zero heart problems to nine heart attacks the last year of her life, begging to die at the final one, pleading with nurses to let her go, writhing in agony. It was a horrible thing to witness for the ten or so relatives gathered in the ER with her.
My mom had stepped on a land mine in WW11 and been SEVERELY injured, suffered the loss of her dad as a kid, witnessed the suicide of a stepfather, suffered starvation and ate grass during the war as bombs destroyed the houses on either side of hers when the bombs first fell in Italy. She was separated from the rest of her family for two years when she and her mom, gone to get provisions from a relative with a farm got trapped by the Germans, she had to live with some stranger, a farm couple, who took them in for two years, with no way to contact their family at home to let them know they were still alive, broke the warnings and secretly went to the tent of an upper German army officer and threw herself at his feet begging for mercy in helping hem get home to her siblings and grandmother and he arranged for them to ride back on a truck of bombs.
After the war ended, she rejoiced and went to a holiday outing and within days of the war's end, she was blown higher than the trees and when she landed after stepping on the land mine with an American soldier she met, there was blood everywhere, her legs--crushed--they hung by threads of skin...shrapnel permeated her body till the day she died 65 year or so later, scars on her body, some that hurt her all her long life. She was rejected from two hospitals as too ill, she was blessed to get into an American hospital where they told her both legs would be amputated..she was like 14 or 15 years old at the time...they rarely let any family member visit and some nurse hated her for "stealing the beds of the American soldiers", she crieed alone many a night..she was hospitalized and in a full body cast for 18 months and walked to the applause of the doctors. Then she left her family all behind to come here to the USA to marry my dad..leaving everything and everyone she knew to come to a strange land for love. She suffered a life from the earliest age, one problem after another, till her death about a year ago with more problems than anyone I knew and she was tough.
She rarely cried..she was strong, never a nervous wreck like me when multiple problems hit and she had incredible pain tolerance that always shocked me as I was not like that. The last two years of her life on dialysis left her whimpering in pain, depressed (she never was depressed), and thinking all the time about stopping dialysis and ending her life as they said a week without it would kill her. Only a priest stopped her saying she must not stop the dialysis as he felt that would not be god's will..At her funeral, he talked of the times she asked why God had allowed so much suffering from her disease.
Doctors made multiple mistakes in her life. One new horrid health crisis/problem after another hit her.
If you think that the dangers of juice fasting and giving up part of the one thing that might save you from what my mom went through is good, then by all means, if in her shoes, do so.
Anyone on here is free to take or leave advice but at what cost? this needs to be asked by the sufferer of kidney disease or any disease.
- Re: I STRONGLY disagree and hope kid... knowledge seeker
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This is a reply to # 1,237,733Sometimes one needs to ask themselves if they will think outside the box and make their choice between allopathic and naturopathic as the two system are fundamentally very different.
they must chose between God and nature modalities used by mankind for eons or by men and a hundred year old system and pharmaceutical drugs from a profit laden system that is so close minded they will not even rarely let studies about herbs and other safe, effective, natural treatments be published in medical journals without pulling out their advertising dollars as a precedent and in retaliation and closing down down medical journals who dare to let doctors-- let alone the public --know about these cures.
what if we are tired of playing their game?
Sometimes one must weigh the costs of not doing something against the risks of doing it. That canned "do not" do blank "without consenting your doctor" is on everything..don't exercise over a certain age or don't do this or take that that without doctor's consent..much of the time if you do tell them you want to try something or you read something..they just laugh at what you want to do if you do ask them for their OK, they tell you it is worthless or dangerous and are just totally uneducated in anything natural as that is the one the AMA and the drug companies and this country wants it. Most people learned long ago never to even ask..to just do it if you want to as they will rarely approve it.
thank god for freedom of speech and of the written word..we are so brainwashed into believing everyone without the name MD after their name is an idiot, is clueless, uneducated and a quack...or so many of us are scared crapless to do a thing without doctor's ok...so many who have dare to fight the fears of their family, friends and the routine scaring of their doctor have been about to laugh in the doctor's face when they get cured of his allegedly incurable disease.
God is the physician..he gives us the healing things of herbs full of chemicals for every ill, air, water, sun, movement, love, laughter, our minds, natural foods. Just as He designed breastfeeding to be the perfect system of nurturing and nourishing our young and man has never been able to top that as they keep finding new vitamins, and nutrients and interactions in the milk plus the emotional benefits cannot be improved upon by man, so do do his healing modalities simple and of nature find a superiority to man's knowledge.
We are taught from day one that we know nothing about our health..in truth using God/nature modalities and our own gut instincts makes us equal or better physicians to ourselves than we ever realize.
You got yourself sick with your lifestyle and you can get well by changing it and adding the good things God gave to heal. The body is designed to heal and repair itself and we need only stop doing the bad stuff and give it what it requires to detoxify, and rebuild new, healthier cells.
It is so about the money..modern medicine...expensive, complex machines and expensive, patented drugs that makes billions off keeping us ill.. drugs that many times makes you worst and give them more revenue with this system of medicine and banning all others in this country (USA)
It pays to keep the hospital beds full, the diet crappy, and the environment sucky, and the patients dependent and ill as much as reasonable. It we actually learned how to heal ourselves, so many would be out of a job all their training for naught. Although, there are many compassionate people in the medical field, it is the system itself that is flawed. Doctors forgot first do no harm and they themselves are brainwashed, repeatedly either learning nothing about herbs, nutrition, etc except the minimum and think they possess the only certain, prescribed cures and routines. If they do think outside the box, they are ostracized, penalized, even a few have their office invaded by armed guards and their licenses stripped from them.
This is a system designed for profit off the sick and dying and therein lies it's flaw. Doctors should be paid, not if you are sick but if they keep you well and healthy and if they get no money for making you better, they will work harder to keep you well as this is where they make their money..but we all know the system is not about people but about the bottom line.
Even doctors get sad they cannot help some of their patients..why do they then, deny the reality of other ways and take the hope from them discouraging them from following routines that have saved other hopeless people who took the plunge not of fear but of faith. And it is not groundless faith but faith based on years of historical anecdotal cures and on many testimonies from good and spiritually minded people, often backed by case studies, clinical trials and lab tests.
In another book, "25 ways to have the cleanest kidneys" on page 24, Dr schulze states
http://issuu.com/gordonmorton/docs/dr._schulze_25_ways_cleanest_kidneys?mode=...
that he has seen every organ, especially ones the doctors said were dead, come alive again with with natural modalities and herbal treatments..that he had "numerous patients on dialysis because of kidney failure who by changing their food program, and putting them on herbal programs and natural healing routines, they got their kidneys working again""it's not over" he says" I can tell you that..it is not over"
He says that tomorrow is what you believe and do today. and that means getting off dialysis, never giving up on yourself or a failed organ,. He says to stop doing what made you sick and start doing what will heal you. People come to him at every seminar and tell him they got off dialysis using his incurables program and part of his incurables program..a big part is juice fasting.
So a kidney patient needs to ask themselves if they will bet their risk on a potential cure or a prolonging of life that only leads to a severe decline in health and rather quick death that dialysis brings along with the crappy diet they put you on and the life tied to a machine for hours and hours.
Natural healing stands to improve their health and rebuilt their sick organs and it often does if you know what you are doing..Schulze and christopher did..even Hoxsey the quack who cured cancer was declared by the highest courts that his herbal did, in fact, cure cancer. He is the first to ever win a case against the AMA and he proved by having so many people comes with their hospital records and death sentences still there many years after they were supposed to be dead. what you work hard to heal your body and you trust, you actually get a positive payoff down the road unlike dialysis where the payoff is not that great.
Giving people options on a site where they are seeking this is not a sin even though I sense I irritate you greatly. I respond only in kind to how you spoke about/to me.
I cannot tell anyone what to do or what risk to take or what wonderful things they can do for their body..I can only share what I know in good conscience what I believe born from praying to God to help me know how to help a dying person...I did not have the knowledge to save my dad from lung cancer, now I know or to help an uncle riddled with cancer back then before I found nature's cures.
When I got cancer,I did not blindly do what doctors said to do.I researched intently..I did not do what two doctors told me to do (mastectomy) and though with a recurrence, I finally decided to do radiation along with my lumpectomy, I still took 150 supplements and used a blend of external herbs and I knew so much less then..never even heard of schulze but what I did know was enough to not have 3 of the 4 side effects I was told I would definitely have due to the need for extra radiation and the 4th was way less severe and I was repeatedly told..."wow you are so lucky..you should have third degree burns by now...(the 2nd, 3rd and 4th week (not till the 5th did I get them shocking everyone who did not know I was following this routine of taking supplements I had researched. I have never regretted not following the doctor's advice which they insisted I must..I have had no recurrence about 10 years..had I followed the two doctor's advice and insistence I have a mastectomy, I would have deeply regretted it now that I know how to heal cancer.
What I do regret is doing radiation at all as if I knew then what I know now, I would not have messed my future health up potentially with so much radiation. when my mom finally,in desperation, the last weeks of her life consented to a few things I recommended (as she never listened to me for 10 years), it had immediate positive results..my family finally saw it was not garbage with their own eyes and that it worked better than what the doctor had and she finally after 10 years consented to do it but too late as days within starting it, she had her final heart attack. A few simple herbs topped her heart attack, for instance, within minutes when 4 nitros did nothing at all..
It was too late for her, don't let it be too late for you..start now cause every day with kidney disease you get worst and every day on these routines, you get better. Start changing now and maybe you will find the answers you seek with all your heart. Listening to fear will harm you..so I hope you will listen to that which was proven to work time and time again.
Though I cannot make people do my suggestions and though they must take responsibility for their own health and choice just as I did, I can say, I personally have never seen alternative health fail and they need to ask themselves, I come here and put this time in here because I suffered and saw my mom and my friend suffer from kidney disease..neither were willing to go against the doctor's advise and both are now in the grave, health destroyed.
I offer this alternative way out of compassion. I do not have all the answers but I do believe God wants me sharing this info with people and I will, even if it irritates you or you think it is irresponsible. I feel I can do less as a caring human being who hates to see suffering humanity. I am dong the best with what I learned over 30 years of study...I am not perfect, but I feel these programs are life changing if all applied diligently and together..I do not recommend picking and choosing for the very ill person.
Will they decide to go with the man who recommended fasting for all his very ill and dying patients..those who were supposed to have been dead months ago and with one foot in the grave and who healed themselves by trusting and thinking outside the box cause they had, too..they had no hope otherwise and due to their bravery and their commitment to healing themselves and trying a new way, many of them not only survived, they showed us it can be done and it is being done...we lead the way us. the disease was not in vain for what Schulze learned form his patients and their responses is what worked and so this helped not only them, the dying and critically ill and not only their families when they recovered (and even if they didn't they died in less agony) but also it helped those who would come later.
Many of these dying people had no hope but god and they through their lives to him and begged for an answer, for a healing and those who followed the doors he opened and set before them with willingness and gratitude saw that he truly does and is making all things work for god to those who love God and are fitting into his plan.
even if they are nonbelievers, they cannot deny that if they were healed that rippled to someone in their lives who was also sick or needed faith or gratitude and knowledge that we do sometimes get answers to our prayers and desires.
Will you follow a man's advice who worked for 20 years with dying people and healed so many or will you go with the advise of a well meaning person who gets their info from a computer?
Tomorrow is what you do and believe today...go the way of dialysis and gamble on if you will be one of the lucky 8% in ten years riddled with heart attacks or try drinking some of nature's juices brimming with healing chemicals...- the foolishness of that link.learn f... knowledge seeker
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This is a reply to # 1,237,734I feel that link you post. sobedic, is a bunch of crap.
had Schulze or his patients listened. schulze would not have his phenomenal cure rate and most of those living because or his incurables program of which juicing is an important especially the sicker you are they would know be dead and not living and sick and not well.
I know he cured the following for sure of the ones you said should not do and likely the others diseases too. He or Dr Christopher cured for a fact the following of these : diabetes, hypoglycemia, eating disorders, anemia, epilepsy, kidney disease, impaired or weak immune system, cardiac arrhythmia's, weak heart, cancer, malnutrition, asthma, terminal illness, ulcerative colitis, conditions that causes depletion and weakness, chronic infection, nutritional deficiency, low blood pressure, epilepsy which is all but a few that he or Christopher did not mention in their writings but may well have treated also.
This is medical thinking which is completely ignorant of the power of both juicing and alternative healing.
This wise person will trust in the healings of others with their same disease, their gut, the master healers schulze and Christopher who did what everyone said could not be done (helped people of every disease and incurable disease) or trust some link and uninformed men/women with MD after their name who were brainwashed at school and by people who make billions keeping us sick or charging an arm and a leg to cure you when they do know how. Wake up people...don't be scared sheep anymore.
- Re: Schulze DOESNOT make specific re... sodibic
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,237,738Doctor Richard Schulze says that he can cure kidney stones, kidney infections, most bladder problems and other kidney diseases such as kidney cancer and kidney sists, but he does NOT make a specific reference that his products can cure kidney failure, they talk about things like the 5 day detox and so on only HELPING you. I'm a studying doctor, but Iaal and I am really jensen..to specialise in nephrology, so this all interests me, i'm a intern in the hospital right now and one of the patients said no to dialysis, and i told him that he will die, he said that he won't, he got other plans; i was curious - asked what his plans were and he told me this and also some other stuff, i decided to check out Schulze's program, but from an allopathy point of view it's strange, as it is clinically proven that spinach is BAD for the kidneys, as it raises potassium. Also please fill me in on what a potassium broth is.
Im interested in these alternatives, umm dialysis is bad. I feel it's like a mechanical vampire, seriously i don't like it, but it's clinically proven, Schulze's medicine's aren't clincially proven, therefore i can't recommend them to the people i see suffering everyday in the renal ward. Are you a docotor? By reading your post you know heaps! It's amazing you definately are a doctor, you know more than i do about the human body i think (i only finished highschool last year, in my first year in medical university)
Well do write back - from, Bec =)- Re: Schulze DOES make specific refer... knowledge seeker
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This is a reply to # 1,238,331Schulze does not mention kidney disease and dialysis in his manual but he does mention it in his two books, 25 ways to have the cleanest kidneys and healing kidney disease and he does say he got many with non functioning kidneys working again and he got many off dialysis and some people even did so themselves who were not his direct patients by using his written materials and formulas and routines.
He also says repeatedly I do not care what disease you have, how sick you are, and how long you have been told you have to live, how incurable your illness is, and how hopeless you and the doctors think your case is..he said EVERYBODY can be well...he says no matter how sick you are I have treated someone worst and they have recovered.
I do not, in any way, believe he is a liar, a quack, or a fraud nor do I believe this from Christopher the man before him who also cured the incurables and believed the same thing before him...and they both proved it time and time again stunning doctors and patients alike.
Please give a listen to his free tape called getting well available through herbdoc.com and watch his video called create your healing miracle..if you really want to learn and know the power of his programs, then watch the save your life videos..some guy is selling the dvd on ebay for just $25 plus $5 s and h and it include the 12 hours of tapes and the 700 hundred page manual..(originally it was $425) he puts them on there a lot. Watch and read this and you will learn so much. I did...I learned more from him than I did from reading 1000 or so books I read on the topics of alternative health, nutrition, and herbs over 30 years of study.
Although he is not a allopathic doctors, he has many years of education and he DOES have clinical experience. He apprenticed with some of the greatest minds and natural healers in the world who also had clinical experience working with very ill and dying people and he has nearly 20 years actual clinical experience working with real patients who were supposed to be dead months, even years ago.
He said if they were supposed to be dead weeks ago, he felt he was lucky. he referred to his patients as the "walking dead" His patients had zero hope elsewhere. they had been to everyone else first. They had nowhere left to go but the grave. They had been to all kinds of allopathics doctors (and some were allopathic doctors too), every natural healer and had cupboards of medical drugs, herbs and supplements and still nothing worked...till schulze entered their picture.
He had cured three instances in his own body that could not be cured without doctors they said and then had cured many neighbors, friends and stranger and then went to naturopathic schools and also apprenticed with great naturopaths and seen then create healing miracles and then opened his own clinic, now a complete believer in the power of these programs.
He then says he prayed to god to send him the worst of the worst...as he wanted to put natural healing to the ultimate test...and they came..they came with every disease...cancer in 90% of their bones, lung and pancreatic cancer, too sick to have heart transplants, all kinds of neurological diseases like Lou Gehrig's, muscular dystrophy, epilepsy, and multiple sclerosis, blindness, deafness, diabetes, cholesterol counts in the high hundreds, late stage AIDS, ready to remove organs, cancers filling half their brains,dementia, strokes, head injuries, arthritis,. severely depressed, and so and he decided to push the limits figuring what what he going to do..kill then ..they all were told there was no hope..no cure..and death was imminent for many and a lifetime of illness for the rest..some did die but so many lived and those who did die, stunned their doctors by not dying in horrific pain that was expected.
He was arrested three times..on the last time, so many people had been cured miraculously in his hidden clinic (where he secretly treated many people in the movie industry as it was in California) that from a kind heart and desire to heal the sick and dying, he gave a lecture and thus he was found out.
With battering rams, bulletproof vests and machine guns, the FDA agents stormed his clinic and seized his equipment and files and arrested him treating him worst than any criminal. Before him, one of his teachers, Dr john Christopher, who had originated the incurables program and also healed the dying was also arrested six times for practicing without a license as his waiting room was brimming s his stuff worked and word got out and the other doctors rooms were near empty
From Christopher came the original programs who schulze then intensified and pushed up the level of his program, going where no man before him had ever gone as far as curing the incurables..he also was arrested for healing the sick without a license.
Schulze was arrested three times and the last time,he had a new baby and he got off on a technicality. He could not be in jail..after he got off on a technicality, he knew he would not be so lucky again and his clinic must be closed.
He fled the country for a while. When he returned, he was contacted by Sam biser who also was a student of Christopher and had a famous newsletter and then they together did the save your life videos, with Biser picking schulze's brain and putting everything he had used in the clinic into the videos and manual (12 hours and 700 pages) and many case histories were seen and discussed before Schulze shredded all his files. Biser was the last person to see them,
God had a plan in all this suffering as Christopher suffered to follow his mission to heal the sick and his family sometime lived in cars when the dad, Christopher got arrested. They suffered financially to fight all these legal battles and god also had a plan for schulze when his young teenage friend with the same disease awaiting open heart surgery himself as a teen died on the operating table and schulze in fear awaiting the same operation in a day or so felt it would happen to him (dying) too, so he fled the hospital without leave and sought how to heal himself and the rest is history..now he reaches far more people in the US and around the world with his teaching materials and formulas and millions of people buy his products and hundreds of thousands or more write testimonies of amazing dealings that they were told could not be done.
I did not feel any of this just happened,,,many of these natural healing were supposed to be dead as youths and through their own healing journey can to help the many in need, helping God to answer the prayers of the sick.
EDIT-- I have since found a way for people to see the save your life programs and manual. Email me if you are interested.
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This is a reply to # 1,238,458thank you so much,...it means a lot to be appreciated. I slightly revised it and then got this message immediately after posting it :)
I split the message into two posts (that before yours and after yours it turns out..due to timing of our posts and my revisions so this comment you made refers to that posted by me just before and after your comment both..for people's information.
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This is a reply to # 1,238,427I, too, feel led in all this. I loved my dad beyond measure and when he got lung cancer at 56 I tried to save him but what did I know.. they did not have computers, I knew nothing of indexes then, I searched or tried to given the limited resources and found some things which helped but did not save him for lack of knowledge and the deadliness of the disease..I always somehow blamed myself for his death as I reasoned if I had just been able to find the answer, maybe he would not have died..then my favorite uncle was given a 1% chance of surviving his cancer and I knew more and tried to help but still I lacked knowledge. He did outlive his death sentence by three years in large part due to his exceptional positive thinking that he might be that 1% who survives. Both of these men were wonderful people who were so brave. Again I felt I failed for lack of knowledge. Then I got cancer myself and searched again.
Somehow God lead me to Tom Harrelson a poster on here who was showing the videos of Dr Schulze, Christopher and Lorraine Day, Ann Frahm, Hoxsey and others locally and I learned so much. I had had a 30 year interest in alternative health, herbs and nutrition reading about 1000 books. I had a hard life and for every day for 15 years battled suicidal ideation caused by (unknown to me then due to no FDA black box warning label) of the SSRI drugs (not making me a fan of medical drugs I might add)and I had one or more serious problems every single day for 15 years straight.
One day after 15 years without a single day without a problem, a day came with no problem..it got my attention and then another day and then a whole week with no problems...I prayed hard asking god why...I felt he was telling me two things..one that he was trying to teach me to trust him as I was putting all these problems on a prayer chain and getting amazing answers like 85-90% never like I thought or some times only recognizable in looking back but God was faithful in answering my prayers and two because he said he knew I had a good heart and that I was a researcher at heart and that I had a willingness to share what I learned with others and spend my time in doing so and he knew the searching I was compelled to do would avail me to the answers, and that with it, I could help others which was always the greatest desire of my heart.
I felt he was saying that people pray constantly for healing and he says I already gave you the answers..it lies in the fields and the woods and the sun and air and nature itself..it lies in the bible in teachings about love and not hating, trust and not worrying, faith and not fear and all those emotional things that so sicken us. By following nature and God's advise emotionally, we could find health and happiness.
And how people were not listening and how we mowed down the answers and put in parking lots instead discarding the answers to our prayers already provided and how we trusted man and not God for knowledge and wisdom.
Then this past year, I was inspired by someone with a wonderful outlook and heart and I started thinking about my life and praying fervently that god would send sick people to me to help them find their way and he has done that.
I was blessed with a high IQ (Mensa)and that also helps. Once I took a test about nursing with my sister who was in the medical field working hand and hand with the doctors and I got a higher score on it than her upsetting her as I knew nothing about nursing really. At the same time, I tend to be a nonconformist often marching to the beat of my own drummer and following my way than the ways everyone says it must be done..I do listen and weigh it all and then arrive at my opinion after a lot of thought and gut feeling. I am not afraid to be ostracized for being different and that is also at play to some extent.
I learned a lot from schulze. So many co-incidences happen that it is too improbable to me that they all just happened. I think personally that the hand of god is in all this. I was nearly killed in a serious car accident in december 2007 missing death by just a single foot and a single second so I am assuming god has some purpose for my life though I am not sure what exactly.
It is God and the body itself that heals and we who are wise who learn from this.
I commend your curiosity and some openness in you to learning about other ways to heal, but fear that med school will train all that out of you. If I were you, I would consider switching and going into naturopathy as it is a growing field..yes, not as financially rewarding and not as free to practice, maybe not as pretentious, but you will help the sick in ways not possible with allopathy. I would recommend you pray about this and listen with an open min and heart.
The body was not designed for the harsh unnatural things we do to it in this modern era..it does sometimes tolerate enormous stress we put on it but with natural means, the healing is more lasting..new stuff doesn't keep popping up to replace the old or as side effects of drugs and such. People are demanding it (natural healing)despite the massive efforts of the government, drug industry, medical associated companies etc to stop it. Even many of the people jumping on the natural foods movement and herbal/supplement industry do not have people as the priority only profit..they sell inferior products and the capsule herbs do nothing as they are often weak and not well absorbed.
The answer is getting money out of health care as the top priority and putting love of your fellow man first..and the system we are in makes that hard. I have had some wonderful caring doctors but unfortunately, it is the system they are taught and the system itself so full of paperwork and legal crap and time constraints and closed mindedness to the old ways and all that which dampens the original desire of the young person to help others.
I once read in sociology about a study that showed that the caring for helping people the new doctors started with was basically diminished and almost destroyed in the pressures of med school and the way it is taught and how people come to be seen not as individuals but as diseases to learn from in the thing that particular professor stresses and his own biases. Some of the original caring did return after all the education was completed but never quite to the same level...it all changed the medical student.
Even with my sister, I saw it and she admitted after working with patients so long, only the genuinely horrific moved her or saddened her as she had to harden herself to the human suffering and also things got routine (yet never for the patient themselves).
When people are being treated naturally, they get more time with the doctor, more extensive histories and lifestyle practices are gathered , and more holistic solutions recognizing the mind/emotion/spirit/physical connections and interactions, they often get more hands on and more connection and the doctor seeing more positive outcomes gains more satisfaction.
Some things are worth more than money I feel. Since it will never leave our country and our health care, we can assist by teaching others the power of natural healing so they can in many cases doctor themselves and thus successfully spread the word of the power of natural healing to those God puts in their lives--one person at a time. If it spreads to enough people, it will force the medical establishment to change or lesson its power.
But together with this, comes the need to work towards getting better air, foods, living conditions, water, less stress, more Love and all that to also help our health. Just as today's conditions are making us sicker and fuel the need for more medical intervention and its money, so, too, does working to improve the conditions lead to better health works conversely.
The only thing that we help is by reaching one person at a time and by volunteering our time to affect positive changes and working to demand better conditions and things like demanding less mercury be put in our air, and less chemicals scattered everywhere and more focus given to the rights of people over those of corporations (who continue polluting and harming our health, often with government's and politician's aid..we must end corporate person-hood responsible for so much damage o our environment and health), our votes must count to hold politicians accountable and move them away from doing the bidding of people more than corporations that fund their campaign so campaign reform is needed. It is all interconnected. It, too, is a big picture...The crappy school lunches, the fast food on every corner, the mixed messages to eat and consume and to lose weight, the crappy economy that gives us stress related illnesses, and on and on.
I guess the most important element is believing you can make a difference and caring enough to use your time to do that, for one ripple at a time, one movement at a time, done by millions of others doing the same things builds as bobby Kennedy said a current that can sweep away the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. This we must do.
Education is key to that...and bravery to go a different way which is essentially the old way with new modern evidence to often back it up as working effectively. For every person someone help heal themselves with natural means instead of passively saying to the doctor here I am.. having lived my crappy lifestyle and gotten sick, give me a pill to fix me, instead by putting the responsibility back to the person and letting them see it works, this helps the word spread to others and the more we fix ourselves, the more the system of money cards collapses...the more people who wake up that there is a better way, the less money fuels it all and people are the beneficiaries to all this...and their families too.
I am not sure if all that made sense or not. You are not legally allowed I do not think to advise patients otherwise even iof you wanted to and felt in good conscious confident of this advise, though I am sure some people do,,kind of under the table with people they feel they can trust to keep their confidences.
Dialysis is proven clinically to do what..to prolong life but at the same time, i destroys health, it makes the person into a lifelong cash cow for the people making the equipment and working at the center and stuff..a lifelong long patient..maybe not so much deliberately to harm but indirectly. With natural treatment, they are actually improving health not prolonging it while declining it if that makes sense.
It is a different belief system. Now there is a push for "complimentary treatment" to work side by side with allopathy (due to consumer demand) but in reality they only let in wimpy natural treatments that do little when it is allowed at all, they only do it because the consumer is demanding it and the two system really work best alone. While natural treatments may help allopathy, allopathy does not generally help naturepathy, but rather works against natural treatments.
In my opinion other than emergency and the heroic part of allopathy and some occasional drugs and diagnosis', most of it can be done better with alternative health modalities..maybe my opinion is wrong but it is what I have come to believe...yes, sometimes I have been helped by regular medicine...a c section to save my child's life, a hospital to quickly see if bones were broken after a wreck, an occasion drugs that works when I can't find something that works naturally, a diagnostic test that tells me what is wrong with me so I can then treat it naturally but overall I have found alternative health works better while giving me better health..I see people younger than me on all these drugs and I shudder and am glad I have instead all these herbs and foods to try to help me.
Anyway..I hope your patient using schulze gets better I hope you will update us on his/her progress and maybe you can send them here for more info to help them if possible.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,238,479Woah. You have taught me alot. I decided that it was unfair for me to comment unless i read each and every word you wrote on this page, the stage 5 thing and those steps you wrote. I'm just in awe of your knowledge, your knowledge in alternative health is just outstanding, i spent 5 hours reading through all of it, this must have taken you weeks to write. In those books Schulze makes reference to kidney disease and to dialysis, but where does he specifically say that kidney failure can be healed, and given an example? He's said it about urinary tract infections and kidney sists and kidney infections etc. He does say there no incurable diseases, but i'm the type of person like Jesus's disciple Thomas, i need to see to believe. On Monday i will phone up that patient and give him this link.
Write back,
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This is a reply to # 1,238,779thank you..someone else said it took about that long to read it and my many emails to them and it took weeks of my life, hour after hour, writing, researching, gathering links, etc to get it on here...I wanted to help someone and because it was confusing, I tried to organize it and really research it realizing that it would hopefully help many others seeking alternative health and hope. I did it in some part , too, to honor my mother who recently died and who suffered who taught me the horrors of dialysis and what not to do (ignore natural healing and let her doctors off the hook when they continually mess up (by doing things like giving her a drug in the hospital she was highly allergic to,lying and saying she could leave a nursing home she just needed a teensy few stay in and then continued the allergy reaction there giving her the drug and it nearly killed her. We had to bust her out against leave despite multiple threats she would lose her house and insurance would not pay..had we not done that we estimate she had about 4 days to live as she declined unbelievably,, by saying things like the MRI will not pull any of that shrapnel from your bones and then when it did and severely infected her legs, had no crap to fix it. I fixed it..,and by the next day, buy telling her your vision will stay the same but you must have this grueling eye surgery and then going nearly blind from it and it triggering severely painful trigeminal neuralgia and more and then when the nurses and the cayenne I snuck her got her blood pressure back up from the 30s in the final days in the ER, calling in saying she had a living will and stopping the treatment saving her and giving her drugs they knew would kill her)..they taught me what I could expect from the medical field as surely as seeing the few times she did what I had, very rapid improvement.
So she also taught me and she had a heart for kidney patients and asked me to help spread the word that people are languishing and suffering on dialysis.
What can I do to spread the word about the suffering of people on dialysis and the need for research to help. I don't know, but I can try to help others not wind up how she did and that is in here too.
Mostly, it is like Kennedy said at Bobby's funeral (paraphrase) for I saw suffering and tried to heal it....isn't that part of why we are here on this earth..to care for others and for their pain..to heal the sick and give hope and faith to the hopeless with no faith they can recover. Yes, I feel god's hand must be in this somewhere and I hope what I have written helps people.
when you said you were in awe of my knowledge, it reminded me of a post I did about a year or so ago when my mom had a heart attack I walked in on and I used the word awe in the title..here is it f you want to read it..concerning heart attacks. Even my allopathic doctor (who is very into alternative health..when I said I was able to stop my mom's heart attack said to me Cayenne, right?" she knew..the secretary said "your mom is lucky to have such a smart daughter, but she never feel lucky..my knowledge health was a thorn in her side..she hated when I brought i up and hung up on me sometimes.Everyone in the family thought I was nuts as she complained to them so much but some of them saw when I stopped two heart attacks, when I, together, with one smart brother, went against the other 4 and helped get my mom out of the nursing home that was killing her and would not let her leave after saying she could leave anytime...at least in the end, she saw I wasn't totally full of crap when she saw it work when nitro did nothing.
more on Schulze and doubting Thomas next post. - Re: Schulze DOES make specific refer... knowledge seeker
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This is a reply to # 1,238,779In life we do not always get guarantees, but we can learn from others by seeing how some things harm them and avoiding those things if we are smart so we do not have to walk down the same road.
If we are smart we also see the good things people do and try to emulate that hoping for a similar outcome they got and this is what we do when we practice natural healing or modern medicine.
Do doctors give guarantees a drug they say we need will not harm us or a surgery might not go wrong or even that an anesthesiologist will fully put us to sleep and we will not feel it and be unable to move as happened to me with my 2nd c section. Do we get guarantees if we walk into a hospital, we will not get a staph infection..or even if in medical school, those who are curious and question the teachers or think divergently will not a poor grade for pissing the teacher off even thought that person might make the best doctor in the world due to these very traits. No life cant guarantee is all the time but if I was a betting woman, I would bet on the words of Richard Schulze who worked 20 years with a best case scenario of someone supposed to be dead 2 months ago...and saw so many healed of unhealable ills.
Although he does not go into detail on kidney disease like he does on other horrible illnesses, and does not address it in the manual or save your life tapes to my knowledge, he does say something about it in his books. I never saw these pages until a few weeks ago..if I had maybe I could have used it to help my mom take a chance. I really wish I would have seen that book earlier, but in it he says the following.
but actually, he DOES say he cured people (or rather they cred themselves) with his intense programs.
He emphatically does say it will heal kidney disease..on page 24 of his book 25 ways to have the cleanest kidneys he says :if you are wondering if when your kidneys have failed if you will be able to wake them up again, ABSOLUTELY"
He says he has "seen every organ especially ones doctors say are dead come back alive with natural healing and treatment"
that he "had numerous patients on dialysis due to kidney FAILURE and by changing their lifestyle, food program and adding the herbal programs, they got their kidneys working again and it is is absolutely not over"
..he will tell you that.. he says.."that the people on dialysis had no working kidneys and they got them BOTH working again."
He further states that even now, years after he cosed his clinic that at every seminar someone says they got their kidneys working again and off dialysis and what doctors says is all hogwash and that anything is possible and that tomorrow is what you BELIEVE and DO today and that that includes getting off dialysis and never giving up on a failed organ (which means it CAN work again and will if you do the healing work)
Then he states "create your greatest healing environment and your body will heal itself by turning the nonfunctioning organ back on again" (to functioning).
He says in the case of kidney disease to "stop doing what you did to harm them and start doing the things that are going to turn them back on and get them healed, working and strong."
So, Mr Thomas, although he does not give a case history for this disease due to biser neglecting to ask him about it, he does say it can be completely healed, going from two nonworking kidneys on dialysis to two working kidney and going off dialysis.
People come here looking for hope and a better or different way, and when you place your doubts and fears and beliefs here in a way to rob people of hope or discourage then from trying, it affects not only you who do not have kidney disease but the person suffering,,the family suffering..you take from them something maybe God lead them too. Inadvertently, it discourages people from trying. I have a very desperate person very confused and even upset with one of your posts so I know what you write affects the person seeking hope in the midst of anguish..some people do not want to go unto dialysis and some people want to prevent winding up there...I hope you will be aware of that when posting on this alternative health site.
People here really and genuinely believe in natural healing and I have seen on other site, people not happy when someone goes on there and puts then down so to speak..but I do not think now that is what you are seeking to do though at first I wonder why you tried to undermine the genuine hope these program offer people by smashing and dashing that hope with fear...in this case, fear can kill if it scared someone who might be healed away or fear can be a tremendous motivator to force people to do hard things like change what they eat and their routines and everything about them to a better way.
I very much appreciate that you read what I wrote and see I am knowledgeable and also a desire to learn and pass on this info to your patient to increase his odds of making it. since he does not want to do dialysis, I am sure you want to increase his chances of healing himself and I think sharing this link with him is a compassionate and good thing to do and I thank you for that.
In addition to what schulze said specifically in his book on the kidneys,he had this to say on tape about incurable diseases..(and kidney disease falls into this category)
he says this in his own words and now Dr schulze..
"I know without a shadow of a doubt, EVERYONE can get well, IF they want it bad enough because I've seen it: 90% coronary artery block, bone cancer 90% of their body, advanced diabetes, brain tumors, lung cancer...you name it" best he gets is a patient supposed to be dead 2 months ago..usually 4-5-6-10 months ago they were supposed to be said.
chapter two on the video.."there are no incurable diseases no matter what your doctor tells you" he says further the following:
"What I have learned is everybody regardless of what anybody says, forget what everybody says.when the doctors say to you there is nothing that can be done what they mean is there is nothing that I know..they don't want to let the patient know that there might be other methods that they don't know about or understand..and that could be anything from herbs to psychic surgery but there are thousands of other ways to heal yourself outside of modern orthodox medicine and pharmaceuticals...most alternative doctors and holistic practitioner do not have the knowledge and won't take on dying people..they either do not know how to heal them or they are nonbeievers themselves."
He stresses that both he and Dr Christopher were intense and used a very comprehensive programs...as they knew a bottle of herbs is not enough to get you well. He recommends using fresh, organic herbs from the area you live in..
take it easy if you find the kidney herbs too strong as far as like badly burning urination..this is from the herbs taking the bad stuff from the kidneys..it is not the herb but what is in the body and its removal is sometimes acidic so ease up a bit if you feel you must.
I am not sure if this cleared up your doubts or not but it is pretty clear to me when he says all diseases can be healed regardless of what your doctor and anyone says, that there are NO incurables illnesses even if they do not have a name for it yet, that you can get your nonfunctioning kidneys working again and get off dialysis, that he is saying he has seen and taught hos patient how to heal themselves and they did in the hundreds of thousands now or more of all illnesses, allegedly incurable or not and that you can cure kidney disease by following comprehensive programs to change your lifestyle, food habits, detoxifying and bringing in oxygen and nutrients, working on your emotions and building your level of health by doing the incurables and adding things specific to your diseases like I added here that others did reverse and totally heal their kidneys, get off dialysis and get them functioning again. I do not think it was by accident that I just saw his words on dialysis and healing kidney disease till now so I would be able to show that yes, this disease is also included in the term ALL diseases.
Remember just drinking a tea or juicing or a couple of pick and chose things may help but likely will not cure you...going after it as hard as doctors do but naturally and holistically and safely will not just sustain you but fix you. If you go back to your old ways and relapse, it is much harder to heal naturally thee 2nd time around so stay on top of this..if healed you can back off some..go to doing some things and doing the colon cleansing once a season and alternating the other cleanses one every season and maybe eating organic white chicken or wild caught fish once in a while but eating primarily vegan..habits take about 3 weeks to form..what once felt like torture will get easily..just stick it out..people want you here, you have work to do and avail yourself to this knowledge borne and learned on the backs of other sick people...it helped them, their families, their teachers and now you...so take it and run with it to health. You can be healed...believe it for it has happened to far more people than you realize..look every this doctor's patient heard about schulze..the knowledge is spreading through the testimonies of the healed and the world wide web.
You know, well people can also do the incurables safely and get even more well. There is nothing so precious as our health we discover if we lose it...prevention and failing that recovery.
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This is a reply to # 1,238,932Alright, umm i think you got me a bit mistaken, my name isn't Mr. Thomas, my name is Bec and i'm a woman, i'm 19 almost 20, but when i was referring to Thomas i was talking about that disciple of Jesus, when Jesus appeared after his death on that Sunday to the disciple's, only 10 of them were there (Judas and Thomas, if i'm not mistaken were not there). And when they told Thomas Jesus appeared to them, Thomas said: "I cannot believe unless i put my finger through the hole in his palm, i cannot believe unless i touch the place where they pierced my Lord" The others replied "You say he is your Lord, and he promised to come back on the 3rd day, but yet to still don't believe. Your a hipocryte" Thomas said "I just can't believe". Then later (i think it was Pentecost or maybe before that), Jesus appeared and all 11 disciples were there. Jesus then called on Thomas, and Jesus put out his hand "touch and feel my child" Thomas immediately said "Im sorry my Lord" and touched Jesus' feet. Then Jesus spoke "Blessed are those who do not see my but believe me" he then touched Thomas and blessed him.
I think this is what is wrong with me, i mean not in religion, because i am very close to God, but in the field of medicine, i took up medicine because my dad made me, and i almost cried when i got the required percentage to get in because i knew my dad would force me to, but then i refused and my dad got so angry he threw me out, and said only come back when you have your degree. I was shattered, i felt my world collasped. I then did it and i'm in my first year, we made up and everything and all's well. But i just can't stand see those people hurt and suffering. I need to see to believe this is what i mean when it comes to medicine, i understand Schulze can heal kidney patients, but with what, like for example he does not even say the required quantity for Juniper Berry tea, like 5grams or whatnot, it is proven if overdose it taken it can destroy kidney, fine that it must be boiled for 15 minutes, but if you take too much like 20grams, then it can cause a headache for kidney patients (i asked my professor). I agree with Schulze. Dialysis is A MECHANICAL VAMPIRE >I will advice the man to come to this site, but if he goes unwell and blames me, i'm in a whole lot of trouble for telling him to come here, so please can you post up in what QUANTITY these herbs should be taken, how many times a day, > this patient is very poor so i don't think he can afford the incurables program yet, so tell him the right proportions or juices and teas, ie > do you have parsley juice or tea, if so how much, instructions to make and so on, juniper berry tea, how much etc, dandelion, quantity etc, spearmint and the list goes on, this man has a 15 year old child and if he dies, the boy will be a orphan. Please tell him how much etc, he literally spent his life savings in the last 3 months for medical purposes. (about 180grand).
Thanks for everything Knowledge Seeker,
From,
Bec
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This is a reply to # 1,239,212hi, Bec,
I am a woman too, late 50's. I am sorry you misunderstood. I was kidding when I called you Mr Thomas. I was referring to your earlier comment about doubting Thomas..a story which, as a Christian, I am well aware of. I was saying, here is the data where he said NO incurable illnesses and Yes, he fixed the kidneys back to normal and got people who were on dialysis off it, so believe and conquer your doubt for saying he did not cure it for he says he did (and I certainly believe this particular man)...thus I was saying here is the data, thomas, doubt no more.
I am very concerned that you are going into a field that you do not want because of your dad's wrongful decision to force you into his dreams instead of your own. No offense. but that was very unwise of him and truly lacked insight into his role as a father and his misusing his position may come back on him to haunt him someday either in this life as some kind of karma or the next when the Lord shows him he was wrong and makes him feel all the feelings he caused you to feel.
I feel very strongly on this. My son had a friend whose father did the same thing. The boy wanted very much to be a psychologist and his dad forced him to be a business person which he hated so much. When he bulked and said no he wanted to be a psychologist, the father threatened to throw him out and not pay. foolishly, but understandably the boy say ok and went into business rather than paying himself and working harder to achieve what HE wanted. He now works in the business field and is very unhappy.
Also my sister's stepdaughter had a long talk with me about how her dad refused to send her to the college she wanted to go to for years (as he is a stanch conservative and feared apparently this more liberal college would change the viewpoint he drilled into her) and so made her go to a college she hated. she talked at length to me (as I am very understanding) of how unhappy all this made her and how she felt her dad was so wrong and she also interestingly became a liberal anyhow (lol)
Also I had a former Cambodian refugee neighbor family I began very close to. The culture was very patriarchal. Years after I left, I found out the daughter fell in love with an American, a catholic. Her father would not let her marry him, but only another Cambodian and when she refused for love of her mate, both parents disowned her. She married him anyway and it was hard when he did not talk to her two years. Now they all made up and she is happy with a child and converted to a Christian religion. The father also did the same thing to a young sister who also married an American and was disowned. Her story was not as happy as the man beat her and they later divorced but also in that case after time, the enstranged relatives started speaking again anyway. So, this, may happen down the road, if you stand up to your dad and do what you dream of, not him and even if he disowns you..this may just be temporary..stand on your own two feet becaise the long and short of it is, we are really alone in this world in the end..anyway..adn time does fix many things. If he is wiolling to lose you and that controlling, it is his loss..you will gain your won two feet and a career you dream of and less stress in life and better health..so be not be afraid to change things even now.
The important thing is it is your life and after taking the father's/family views into account, the following decision should be yours. As we grow older, the intense closeness that comes from living your lifetime with our family's--then as we grow up, it lessons some as we move on to our futures and eventually our husbands and children as this is the way God designed it when He decreed a woman will move on and cleave to her mate and leave her family. You will be working the rest of your life in a job he picked for you. I think you made and are making a mistake giving into his bullying and manipulation to try to force you to fulfill his possibly unfulfilled dreams through you.
I understand his fears..my son wanted to be an artist since he was 4 years old and going to commercial illustration from 4th grade. He was very talented. I knew the field was very competitive. I knew there is a chance maybe he could not find work, but he was supremely confident that he would be successful and his confidence helped ease my fears. Also I knew he must do what made him happy and I understood how bad it was to be unhappy like so many in our job choice as we spend the better part o our life doing it. I always encouraged my children to do that field which made them happy and my son went on to win a $16,000 full ride scholarship to art college, a full ride and the 2nd highest awarded out of 500 students, Unfortunately, an accident (he intervened when an adult was hitting a minor and a female and his hand was severely broken in trying to get the out of control man beating them up to stop) but sometimes life interferes with our dreams, but in your case, his losing HIS dream is not set in stone like his was. He couldn't do what he wanted to due to fate, but you can. Only you stops you from doing so and standing up to your dad.
Schulze often advised people to quit their jobs as so many people spend a lifetime doing something they hate and this damages their health greatly. He
talked about doing something you love with all your heart that gets you up in the morning feeling happy and blessed like he has done. Although I doubt you will, I strongly advise you look at what you would do it you could what your have the skills, aptitude, desire, and love to do and do that instead.
I will tell you this, medicine will either drain the compassion from you within 10-15 years like it has so many as people must distance themselves from their patent's suffering or they will hurt themselves from so much suffering or you will succumb to an early death or alcoholism or drugs or some escape from all the sadness and worry for other people and from the tremendous responsibility from people looking to you as their only hope.
With natural treatment, it is different as you actually can offer them hope beyond what modern Science does as you have things that work with and not against the body. Here you do not have people living a crappy lifestyle, getting ill as a result and saying here I am doctor you fix me and give me some pill or surgery so I can continue smoking, drinking, eating junk, stressing out and all the stuff I continue and love to do.
No, with natural treatment, a person comes to you as an educator not a savior, as here they fix themselves with your guidance. Here there take the responsibility on themselves for healing themselves and building the lifestyle that there body can self repair in as the bodies were designed by god to self repair (if we do not work against that by taking dangerous drugs, procedures, eating crap and having harmful habits..all we need to do is stop doing what hurts our bodies and start doing what helps them and believing in God and his healing substances to cure us. Here the practitioner is happy as they know they are teaching lifelong habits that are good and they can in fact see successes where doctors have only seen failures (the desperate cases they have not the mean to cures but only prolong often at the cost of seeing the patient get sicker, suffer, and decline in and at a reduced quality of life.
So I predict this field you are going into with change you, by necessity, in ways that I feel are not good for you. Him spending 180 grand shows the comparative cheapness of natural cures which is so much less. He needs to put his money where it will do him the most good and I personally feel that is here or I would not have wasted my time.
Although I do not really look for it to happen, I hope while you still have time, you change your mind about your career choice,.,the fact you almost cried when you passed the test to get in and how your dad manipulated you, tells me you are not doing the right thing even though I understand why you did it and how reconciling with your dad feels better than if you did what was best for you.
My child has a 167 IQ and cause he is so smart, his teacher's in elementary school were always telling him he must be doctor when he grew up. In this case, I strongly advised him not to become a doctor on the grounds, he would be on call all the time and devoting all his life to a job was not healthy or fair to a future family. I also talked about money not being the important thing in life and he changed his mind and went into a field he loved, computers (my other son)
The fact that you take on responsibility that is not yours, tells me this field will wrench at your heart as many patients will not comply, will not listen, will not get better and will not be helped with what medical Science and drugs and that you are permitted to use by the ama and fda and your feeling responsible will make you one of the unhappy doctors or else you will learn to distance yourself and close part of your big heart..both routes have been taken by many doctors..a few like my doctors somehow manage to practice alternative medicine a lot despite their allopathic degree but this could be chancy if the man comes aware of it. Now that doctor truly helps people someday successfully combining both worlds but going first and foremost to alternative health and using drugs cautiously and as a last resort. the person is so smart and a brilliant and extremely unique doctor of the future.
The man, you said you will refer here has already made a decision to follow alternative health long before you questioned into why and he confided to you. It is something HE wants..it did not before nor does it NOW hinge on you for its approval nor its outcome. He took the responsibility for his health and that is where it is,,,not on you. Referring him to the great additional advice on this forum is only enhancing the chance of his recovery down the path he has chosen not you. You are just helping him do it even better by sharing this link.
I, too, am a person of high compassion who hates to see people suffering..that is one reason I devote a huge part of my life..unpaid--to helping them by sharing what I know, but the responsibility lies with them on what to do, I have a tendency to blame myself if I don't have the knowledge like I blamed myself when my dad died of lung cancer, a completely incurable disease then and mostly still, as I did not have this knowledge though I tried to find it. I know now that I was wrong to place that additional burden on myself for I tried with all my heart. I just did not have the knowledge..but you do..maybe god has brought you here to help this guy..we assist but god heals and he does it in various way..sometimes through medical science, sometimes through the sun, wind, water, foods, herbs, love, the power of the mind, sometimes through ways we cannot understand but you (and me too sometimes) need to understand that and see sometimes our power and control is inadequate for we were not given all the power and all the control that is not rightfully ours. For some of us (even your dad, you, and I) take longer to learn this lesson. We cannot or should not always change things to meet what we want..nor can we meet every desire. But we can learn to trust ourselves and God more.
Sharing this link or supporting this man in any way not approved by the powers that b at your school or the AMA-- is not your responsibility if something goes wrong. It is up to him not you to find out more onnce he gets here. If he wants to contact me I will work further with him on ways he might do things financially. I lived far below poverty and did the incurables somehow and so can he.
Schulze addresses the toxicity question on juniper berries in his manual and the man need to watch the videos and get the manual. I feel personally this is required as the first all important step. I cannot reproduce the whole manual here. In it are all the proportions of herbs he needs on the formulas schulze recommends and the guy can email me and I will say more. As it is I am trying to move to a new house and answering your (It felt like attacks) took a huge amount of my time as did doing all things I wrote on here and helping people privately and now I am harming my own health from stress as my moving date is coming and I have little done. I need to back off the computer for a while and can not answer all the questions you posed.
Much of how much to take of things like parsley root and such is already posted how to take it and how much.
If he cannot afford to do the incurables program, then he should do dialysis as the juices and herbs are not enough to fix him..period.
Even if the responsibility fell on me (and I do take it very serious what I advise but I am not schulze remember that) even if it did fall on me or on you, if he does not do it exactly as I outlined and that is ALL of it--incurables..every single part together and all the steps with the possible exceptions off the things I mentioned in the first post before step number one, NOT PICKING AND CHoOSING SOME AND NOT OTHER PART WHICH IS BAD AND UNWISE IMO)then that is a foolish chance the patient themselves takes.
Although it may cure them (picking and choosing some and not all) without it all the chance is reduced. The incurables is THE most essential part of it all imo.
I thought YOU said already he was doing the incurables. Now you say he is doing this other stuff posted on a link he does not even have and not doing the incurables. I hope all this is not just some game.
I lived in the bottom half of the poverty line and I did the incurables program and other stuff too and so can he is he wants it bad enough.as schulze says sell your car, sell your tv, have a bake sale or a garage sale and somehow get the money..but do not skimp on your own health..where there is a will there is a way..schulze himself drove his junky car to calif to train under Dr Christopher and sold his car when he got there to pay the tuition. Unbenowst to Dr Christopher, he lived in Christopher's garden as he was now completely penniless and he took some of the produce from the garden to survive and fertilized the plants as a bathroom..he did what he needed to do and so can this guy..again this is not your responsibility, Bec.
It is his..if you want to help him buy some of the stuff he needs or give it to him as a present or find someone the guy can trade a service to to make some extra money. Help him out if you are worried about his poverty. Point him to websites which give suggestions on how to make a little extra money. Leave him an anonymous gift or send him money anonymously in the mail and say it is to buy herbs or buy the herbs and leave them on his doorstep with no name. You can find a way that is safe if you want to bad enough,.
also if you cannot trust this guy to keep you sharing this link with him, do that anonymously or do not do it at all without trusting he will keep your confidence.
I don't know if you realize how odd it sounds that you don't have a problem with doing dialysis for your patients that increases heart attacks 30 times, can cause blindness, severe blood pressure drops that hospitalize you dropping blood pressure to the 30s etc but are questioning if given 5 grams or 6 of juniper tea will hurt the guy..if eating too much parsley or parsley root (a food) or drinking too much peppermint tea is gonna hurt him..this is crazy. We are a lot tougher than you think.
People who are ok drinking booze everyday or a 6 pack, eating micky d's 5 times a week, eating tons of cheesecake and drinking pop till it comes out their ears, who practice unsafe sex and stress themselves to death, hating everyone and fearful of all things, smoking pot and breathing in second hand smoke, taking in dangerous radiation and taking 8 drugs at once and with cabinets full of a over the counter meds for every little thing who are then worried about drinking parsley tea or spearmint or taking a few grams of juniper tea too much, why-- cause a doctor who know so f..king little about natural treatments and herbs anyhow said it is bad.
cmom the crap the patient does, the horrendous treatments the doctor gives, the dangerous diagnostic tests are the bad guys not the sunshine, good water, good air, good foods, good herbs that God made for our use as all creation was given as a gift to man..as a christian, you need to remember God cannot lie and he said he will answer our prayers, take care of us and the he gives us "plants for our food and herbs for our mediine" If you have problems with the stuff he made for us then take it up with him did you forget, Bec, cast your cares on him for he cares for you..you are worrying excessively and this is not what Gos tells us to do..he says pray without ceasing with thanksgiving and let your request be made known to him. Why do you question the one thing that does the body good but are gine with all the things he does that do the body bad..that is odd.
I suggest you go to your knees since you are a christian and talk to god about your career choice what his will is for you not your not your dads and also about this man and about the herbs god made..and if you truly love suffering people like you say you do, then share the link with the guy and then let him make his own decisions. He can contact me for further help but I am moving and may not be here for a while but eventually I will get back with him..all he needs I have already written primarily,,he needs to contact me on the manual and save your life videos.
He needs to do it not you for it is his life and if he cannot take responsibility to heal himself fully, it is unlikely to work..since he expressed he is doing the incurables this link is in his favor to further assist him, but if he is not doing the incurables then forget all this advise and do dialysis instead as the incurables and everything in it is the cornerstone and the foundation to the whole thing..understand? Picking and choosing is not good..period..if you are going to gamble and bet on a good thing, do all or nothing.,..not just some herbs or tea or the saunas or the garlic but all or nothing..and definitely if just doing on thing, make it the incurables, but recognize in the clinic, schulze give specific herbs for the specific problem too..like cayenne and Hawthorne if they had heart problems, nervines if they have ms, parsley root if they had kidneys, cancer herbs if they had cancer, lung herbs if they had lung cancer and so forth,
Sometimes a person can aid themselves by just doing some of it and something they need to listen to their bodies and back off a bit when necessary (but do be aware that sometimes you feel better before you feel worst), biut to abvoid dialysis and restore your kidney to working again, you need to do it all..every part is there for a reason and it all works together ok
I hope this message did not sound too harsh but I feel I needed to share this with you. ok so please don't take it the wrong way..I am also stressed with typing so much when I need to be packing right now as this has to be done when overs arrive as I have already put in a notice that I am moving so time is not waiting for me.
knowledge seeker
ps --if by chance this person or any of the others contacting me is not who they say they are, but using various aliases..please move on to another victim (if this does not apply to you, please disregard)
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This is a reply to # 1,239,400I called up the man who I made up and informed him of this site, but he does not have any access to a computer, but he said if i write down all he should take, he would follow it, so here are some questions that if possible would be great to answer.
Juices:
Vegetable Juice - 40% Beetroot, 40% carrot and 20% kale am i right?
Fruit Juice - Please tell me what fruit juice Schulze said was the best. i know apple is in it, read it somewhere just cant remember where though. Umm
Parsley - Ok i dunno what to do here, with parsley do i umm tell him to make a juice or tea out of it? If so how much parsley, what to do directions etc plz, i dunno if it should be parsley juice or tea.
Teas - Juniper Berry tea; how many grams or how many juniper berries in the tea? How many times should tea be taken? Directions is to boil for 15 mins rite?
He said that he is saving up $700 for the incurables in december when he can afford it, until then he's welcoming juices.
Please explain this hot and cold shower in more detail, i dun get it tbh.
Please inform on what more i should tell him to hav, i kno this will only help him, but not make him better, but atleast it shud do until december.
Bec
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This is a reply to # 1,239,957I am unable to answer these for two reasons
1. I need to pack to move and am falling behind as my deadline approaches. I am afraid I do not have the time
2, If he does not look this info up himself, it is not sufficient to help him
He needs to go to a library and look himself or have a relative copy all the info in each posts as well as all that in any link I provided and copy it all down for him,
Incomplete programs and picking and choosing may not work and he needs to read this first hand. Schulze never even answered anyone who did not ask for their own health. He will need together have someone copy it all every single thing and give him the printed info in each post and link or go to a library and get computer access..they will show him how to find the info and copy it..all he needs do is ask fro help if he does not know how to use the computer.
You are not doing him a favor by giving him incomplete info..I cannot stress enough this is a comprehensive do it all kind of thing and not picking out a few juices.
although the beet/kale/carrot juice is the best all around juice, the ones specific to the kidneys are more important to him the best fruit thing which is 40% apple, 40% dark grapes and20% berry but again if only doing one Watermelon and its rind is specific to the kidneys so the focus should be there.
He will need the manual to read about juniper berry to hear schulze's thoughts on toxicity..I know he felt it was best to use the fresh juniper berry if possible or do some online research over at herballegacy.com perhaps
I have repeatedly posted info on the amounts of things like plantain,. parsley etc..the juice is superior to the tea and must include not just parsley (green) but parsley root (white)..best is juicing, eating, and teas. you need to go to those sections on tea and reread them.
generally one uses about a spoon of dried herbs per cup of tea and three times as much if it is a fresh herb..yes boil the dried herb in distilled water.
google patient handbook Schulze and click on enter and then incurables and search for the hot cold shower info and other components of the incurables program..
you might recommend he make his own formulas using the manual for directions and the videos (it is only 25 plus 5 shipping on ebay the dvd and then use bulk herbs got at health food stores or the coop..or online search bulk herbs..try to use organic but if ant afford I used many conventional with good effect...or go to the link before your first post about water and see the person on here sells comparable formulas cheaper..December is pretty long to wait.
He needs to read this himself..this is very important..if he is making excuses, that signifies he does not want the healing bad enough..as I was poor and somehow did it and so can he...making himself is much cheaper and not that hard to do really.
I am sorry if this seems unkind but I am following schulze lead on this..also I cannot continue in conversations at this time due to other commitments on my time at this time.
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This is a reply to # 1,239,957Hi
I have read some of this thread, and glad you are listen more than judging now, but if you need to see more results listen to the videos on Schulze as he does have the on Google last time I looked a few months back.
There is an Ex A&e nurse that states her story as well.
There is a lot of info on healing the Schulze way and he has several newsletters where he anwers questions as well. you can call the pharmacy and get them to send some to you.
Tiggs
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This is a reply to # 1,237,734diabetics should dilute their juices 50-50 with water and focus more on veggie juice than fruit (and carrot is also sweet).. also be sure to take superfood with it and the full incurables program.
Also take herbs/supplements useful tot he diabetic like cinnamon, Gymnia Sylvestra, gtf chromium. bitter melon, garlic/onions (one women cues herself doing nothing different but eating an entire bulb (not clove) of garlic a day, fenugreek, bilberry, Pterocarpus marsupium (Indian Kino, Malabar Kino, Pitasara, Venga), Alpha-Lipoic Acid, and ginkgo
Also see the diabetics forum here on curezone..the incurables program has fixed diabetes
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