>- Show me an example of someone who was successfully treated with your methods.

I have not seen any proof of this, nor have I seen any proof that these pharmaceuticals work. I have seen testimonials for both but testimonials are not proof.

>>>- You are wrong to assume that most come after having tried pharmaceuticals.

>>- I assume no such thing. My point is that I was given several pharmaceuticals which had some temporary success. As I said "temporary".

>- You did, here is what you said:
>>>- if these pharmaceuticals work so well, why did people have to come to these forums in the first place.

Yes, that is what I said, But that is not an assumption that most have come here after trying pharmaceuticals. However, if you were to bother opening your eyes and looking, you would see that there are a lot of posts stating that individuals had been to doctor after doctor and had taken medication after medication and that they were financially, emotionally and physically depleted.

If these pharmaceuticals worked so well, then why did those individuals who were given them end up here? Why, in other cases, did the doctors not bother to give them?

On top of all that, all that these pharmaceuticals do is to address and basically cover up one aspect or symptom of the larger overall problem.

Again, these drugs do not resolve the real problem, only the most obvious sympoms.

>- Knowledge needed for that goes way beyond an information sheet. It would take a book to describe what I have in mind here, but I did go in length on parasite forum describing exactly that.

That being the case, those pharmaceuticals should not be given to someone who does not or can not understand the ramnifications or the significance of what they are taking.

>>- How would you treat a case of amoebic liver abscess due to Entamoeba histolytica with herbs?

>>- If the problem were my own, I would first take action to restore good immune function because most of those who suffer from this are immune impaired.

>- Ignorance is bliss... Did you know that progress of E. histolytica is for the most part uneffected by our immune system? Aids or not, people still have the same type of progression of this disease (I mention Aids only as an extreme example). Read up a bit on it's ability to hide itself from our own immune cells... and how it does it, and what are all the things it has at it's disposal (like an ability to change it's protein structure a couple of hundred times until it gets to the "right" combination... and that's just one mechanism it uses)

No ignorance here. Yes, but as you said, "for the most part". I am well versed on AIDS, including the BS that the establishment provides. You can find my published opinion and supported documentation at HIV and AIDS.

>- ability to change it's protein structure a couple of hundred times

GARBAGE! This is a farce and pure b.s. to cover up a theory that was WRONG to begin with. Every time that it changed, the body would make new antibodies. They would have lots of new antibodies to test for, but the truth is that those new antibodies are not there.

The has never been one single case where a live HIV virus has been isolated from someone with AIDS! There are about 8 known antibodies which is proof that the HIV infection has been neutralized. Actually about 95 percent of the human population has at least one or two HIV antibodies in their blood. The actually have to dilute the blood 400 times in testing to avoid having almost everyone show up as positive.

The HIV test is so erroneous that it is not accepted by the FDA --- PERIOD!

>>- This would certainly include oral Iodine supplimentation alternating with collodial silver.

>- Exactly the stuff I tried at first. Iodine is great, and I always recommend it, but it cannot cure the disease.

No, and I never said that either would cure anything. They are the first step in a comprehensive therapy that I would follow.

>- Ignorance again. E. histolytica feeds on probiotics, and it would be the worst thing you could do for yourself. Epsom Salt flushes can be more deadly then any amebicide as it ruins the balance of electrolytes.

Actually, this is not correct. Yes, that is what E. histolytica feeds on but if you do not replinish the good bacteria, you will suffer more serious secondary infections of pathogenic bacteria.

>- Epsom Salt flushes can be more deadly then any amebicide as it ruins the balance of electrolytes.

Yes, but this is RARE and it is often only because either that person already has an electrolyte imbalance or they do not keep their mineral supplementation up. All that is needed is a follow up dosace of sodium, potasium, and potassium.

>- Third, if and only if progress were not sufficient (unlikely), Iodoquinol, and Flagyl would be considered but only in desparation.

>- So you would consider pharma drugs after all?

Yes, I would consider pharmaceuticals if nothing worked (dire circumstances where nothing else works) but I would probably not trust the doctor.

>- Notice that you are mentioning Iodoquinol, a luminal amebicide which is incredibly toxic and which I always advised against on these pages.

Yes.

>- Paromomycin is much more effective and less toxic (and diloxanite Furoate may be even better).

Yes, in most cases.

>- Is there a better proof that discussing pharma drugs is necessary, rather then something that should be banned?

In its own forum where there is not a constant effort to drown out other discussions and ideas.

>>- I would also locate the source of the microbe and clean it up bcause most E. histolytica infections occur in immune impaired persons who come into contact with contaminated water or certain un-natural acts.

>- This is irelevant.

No, it is not. One of the main problems with eliminating parasites is the source of constant re-infection. According to the CDC "Although anyone can have this disease, it is more common in people who live in tropical areas with poor sanitary conditions.".

>>- I personally know a M.D. that took 3 courses of Flagyl to get rid of G. lamblia and failed.

>- Because Flagyl is a systemic amebicide. Treating any ameobic infection with systenic amebicide is a futlle attempt.

Interesting since G. lamblia is not an amoeba, especially since Flagyl is the drug of choice for Giardia.

>>- Yes some are,

>- "some"? Lets be straight here. Show me those who are not. (especially those who suffer from amoebas because in comparison, helminths are a child's play)

Me! While I was not diagnosed with amoebiasis, I did visibly have several known parasites for several years and had serious colitis problems. All gone now! Zappers, cleansing, fasting, and diet modification did it. I did not even take Wormwood , green walnut hull tincture, or any other herbals until later.

>- I took drugs too. Then took them again. Then symptoms persisted and just when I thought that nothing could help, symptoms started withdrawing "on their own".

I quit taking the drugs years before because they did not work successfully after multiple tries. I will bet that the Iodine and other stuff worked and you did not wait long enough for the full effect and you give the pharmaceuticals credit because you took them last. I am sure that with all you have read that you did not make any diet or supplemental changes that took a long time to have effect.

>>- because herbs are not known to be particularily fast because the are not generally directively effective against specific microbes, they improve general health issues that allow the body and its immune system to eliminate problems that it would not be able to otherwise.

>- Again you obviously don't understand that amoebas as well as microsporidia are perfectly capable of working around our immune system regardless of it's strength.

Perhaps it is you who does not understand. E. histolytica is one of the most common organisms in the environment and it is not always pathogenic and some people do get infections only to slough them off. According to the CDC "Only about 10% to 20% of people who are infected with E. histolytica become sick from the infection. The symptoms often are quite mild and can include loose stools, stomach pain, and stomach cramping.". So, If a person contacts E. histolytica, they might never know it unless they are somehow compromised.

>>>- Did you know that pharmaceutical drugs are based on same toxins which you use in your herbs, which is how pharma companies get their ideas in the first place?

>>- Yes, some of them. What the pharmaceutical producers fail to recognize is that herbs are synergistic. Purifying or synthesizing one ingredient does not produce the total effect of the herbs.

>- That's what tests and scientific papers are for. If you read and study them carefully (by which I mean - making sure you are not mislead by pharmaceutical interests in the process), you can see that some drugs work quite well and that generalizations cannot be applied to all of them

Thank you for giving me the platform here!

Yes, unbiased studies are important, I am registered to be involved in a couple. The real problem with these studies is that they are rarely unbiased. Either the study is undertaken to prove something works or to prove that it does not work. Additionally, in almost all studies, there is insufficient control or compensation for lack of control.

>>- and will onto others in what was originally a forum opened directly to provide support for alternative therapies for eliminating parasites. So in closing, you now have a forum to go and blow your smoke into without having it imposed on others.

>- Again wrong vocabulary. I cannot "impose",

Sorry, I guess that maybe I should say "appear to impose". While I have not read all of your posting nor all the postings of other, I can and do see a concerted effort to "push" pharmaceuticals.

>- If you have any humbleness left, you'll notice from my responses to you how badly mistaken you are in most respects and learn in the process.

I can only make the same statement to you. I learn from anyone that I can but I also know a pile when I see it.

>- Don't assume anything based on how long someone has been here, or what they use to treat themselves.

I find that in general, people who have been here a long time either learn and find what they are looking for or they spend so much time arguing that they do not learn and eventually leave in disgust, often leaving long good-bye messages, sometimes even leaving several such messages.

>- "Judge them by fruits of their labors."

Thank you.

>- Anyone can make empty claims as is so often done here, but very few can back that up with meaningful experience and even fewer have "fruits" to show for it.

In the end, it is probably the herbals, etc, that you took before that produced your cure and all you needed to do was to wait. In the mean time you took the pharmaceuticals and since the wait period was over, you gave them credit. Can you look and see that?

I am glad that you have found all of the answers.

I am still looking even though I appear to have resolved my parasite issues without the pharmaceuticals (or despite them). Now back to the lab.

Hi Julie,

That was just my honest reaction. I really have enjoyed and have benefited from all the posts and posters.

Also from a theoretical point of view, history has shown in so many examples that split offs are not really useful. What happens when there is disagreement in the pharma group; another split and another splinter group? We can continue to split off ad infinitum.

I think we should have stayed together.