MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT CESIUM CHLORIDE!
I wish to stress one point first and foremost:
Do not undertake cesium therapy without ongoing supervision from medical professional.
Basic medical facts:
Any heavy cat ion can interfere with cardiac electrical activity causing more than one kind of arrythmia.
If you research elongated QT intervals there are many things that cause this including accepted and widely used antibiotics, hormones, COX II's, and on and on!
These instances are rare events whether it is perscription or alternative.
Many things can go wrong with almost all alternative therapies including peroxide, MMS, ALOE extracts, quinones, ozone, and even traditionals.
One major component not mentioned is hepatitis as far more common side affect of these treatments than any arrythmias ever will be. (as with traditionals)
The cesium issue is disturbing for me as people buy it, use it without supervision.
If you take cesium with potassium at the same time it can cause cardiac arrythmias. The question is,... why is this cesium's fault?
If you take cesium for too long and have daily loose stools, the loose stools can cause cardiac arrythmias. Loose stools should be addressed during cesium therapy!
Many patients fear the cancer more than the diarrhea and then become metabolically unstable when they don't manage their diarrhea.
Is this cesiums fault?
One again these events are rare! Som let's be careful about the number and rate of these adverse events. They are rare!
How rare is death in stage IV lung cancer? Oh, it's not rare, what is rare in stage IV lung cancer is surviving! Why haven't the detractors of cesium ever expressed as much concern over the disease as they do over cesium?
Also several anti-cesium articles refer to animal studies. Dogs, mice! Since when does the AMA cite animal studies that support alternatives?
Let's not characterize animal studies and the one adverse event posted here as something more dangerous, more horriffic than metastatic cancer!
Several writers on this web site have dealt more energy, time, and effort into writing about the dangers of cesium as opposed to the dangers of metastatic diseases and dangers of delaying treatments.
Anyone who follows these postings can see that people on this website have discreditted one Pubmed study here, one AMA study there by claiming these entitities have mischaracterized results in the past.
This is true, they have mis-stated and poorly replicated studies! I mistrust them too! But then to discredit potentially life saving therapies by quoting and linking to same publications is troubling to me!
The contradiction wreaks of subjective or hidden agenda's, and serves only on purpose. To steer patients away from one therapy and towards another.
ALso, let's be accurrate, if cesium works too well and there is massive cancer cell die-offs, the phosphates alone will hurt kidneys, liver, and can cause arrythmias,... once again is this cesiums fault that it worked too well? Tumor lysis syndrom can be treated but not if an oncologist has never seen it in 20 years!
There are very few human cases to discredit using cesium.
One case to discredit cesium was just linked and posted here, this is just one cancer, in one patient where cesium produced no results supposedly; not knowing much about the case history and how damaged the patient was, is it fair to characterize cesiums success or failure as relevant to all cancers using this single patient as the proof? Characterizing cesium now in all stages of cancers all types of cancer just from one case history? How about pre-chemo patients as well as post chemo patients? What a stretch this would seem to be.
Cesium is also supported in a larger cesium protocol involving electron donors to help with membrane permiablitiy, anti oxidants, and large dose ascorbates,and potassium,(never at same time.)
Well, did the one patient who supposedly tried cesium use the entire protocol? What lenght of dosing?
You see, one patient as the example, one time, no facts, only the ones they wanted you to read! How valuable is this example. Why then aren't all the other examples of cesium working proof that it is legit?
The notion that there are no cesium studies supporting its use is completely and totally false. Someone who makes this claim has put way too much energy in finding negative cesium studies and not nearly enough energy into possitve cesium studies.
CONCLUSION
So, most of the anti-cesium literature I have reviewed on this site comes from traditional establishments where animal studies, single case events are mischaracterized to scare people away from one of the simplest, easiest, most effective cancer strategies of our day.
These studies articles or examples are also ironically posted by people who in the past have discreditted the very same publication they are now using.
Finally, LET"S ALL GET REAL!
What greater risk is there than of dying than from stage III and stage IV metastatic disease?
Is there really anybody out there that will stand up and claim that taking cesium correctly and under supervision is more dangerous than cancer itself?
If so, come on here and state,
Cesium chloride is more dangerous than stage IV lung cancer!
Also, as to those people who have claimed there is no cesium data or studies; they forgot to look at the very first links you come to when you type 'CESIUM' into the browser and click enter! (Never mind the dozens of other links they also missed.)
Cancer Cover-Up (Cesium Science): Cesium - A High Ph Therapy For ...
Stop Cancer cells with Cesium using pH Therapy
Brewer Science Library--Brewer Articles
BioOne Online Journals - Rubidium Chloride and Cesium Chloride ...
Bret Peirce, American Cancer Advocates
You must have missed the study that found lower doses increased cell proliferation, which is a bad idea in cancer. And the other studies showed that the doses needed to cause cancer stasis were the same doses likely to cause heart arrhythmias. Does not sound safe to me either way. And this does not make these adverse events rare either. If you want to claim safety then post the safety studies here conducted with human subjects. Simple!!!
So, most of the anti-cesium literature I have reviewed on this site comes from traditional establishments where animal studies
So where are the human studies showing safety and efficacy? I posted the only studies that can be found, and not even one study showed safety and efficacy in humans in any actual human studies. Could it be that no human studies have been conducted because of the cell proliferation problems and toxicity?
And don't give us the traditional establishment speech. They are against ozone therapy as well, but I can still find studies on the effectiveness of ozone in human diseases and disorders. Therefore is cesium is safe and effective in humans there should be some easy to obtain evidence that can be posted. So again, where is it?
Selective blindness? I know a great optomitrist.
Cancer Cover-Up (Cesium Science): Cesium - A High Ph Therapy For ...
Stop Cancer cells with Cesium using pH Therapy
Brewer Science Library--Brewer Articles
BioOne Online Journals - Rubidium Chloride and Cesium Chloride ...
Every one here can see you have avoided one question and one point. You cannot make this point go away.
Cancer is always more dangerous than cesium chloride!
Go on, I'm waiting for you to state this as false statement, go on say it is false! LOL
Why do you ignore this very basic fact of life? Why do you gloss over this one hugely macroscopic issue?
Stage IV cancer there is no time for confusion and chaos. People are suffering today, this morning!
Is there disease less dangerous than cesium? HOw come you wont say this?
Don't you understand that dying from cancer is an ugly thing? A bad thing?
Why would you scare anyone away from this wonderful cancer therapy? Why don't you encourage people to augment this therapy with the ones you like? There is nothing wrong with Ozone and cesium combined!
And please, contact Chasemiller on curezone like I have aske you to do,...painfully obvioius you haven't even tried, Chase is using it on his wife this morning, cesium chloride!
Funny how she was coughing up blood and calling hospice three months ago from stage IV lung cancer, ...now she has returned to work and looks as good as she did when he married her. Hmmmm! one more case history for you to ignore?
Go ahead, send him an email and have him stop by curezone with an update! You obviously don't care about the truth if you haven't tried to contact him like I have asked you to do. I'll give you his phone number. Do you want it? His posting and email is here!
She would be in pain and waisting away waiting to die this morning instead of going to work! Why aren't you celebrating this miracle? Why aren't you smiling!
I would Think a man of your inteligence would be intrigued and investigate this one case history and place as much significance with this case history as you do with ones that appear to suit your twisted and unethical attempts to scare people!
Oh, I forget, you don't care about that!
After all who is it that condems traditional publications one minute and then quotes the same ones the next minute to justify your position?
I'll tell you who! A person who can't make money off of cesium chloride but prefers expensive ozone, rife units.
Or do you just have low self esteem a narcissistic disorder and can't be wrong on anything?
Keep on posting. You eventually show your true and dark colors! Anyone who reads through your bibliography can see your patterns and tendencies. They can see which questions you avoid and which ones you choose to answer. They can see how slanted and biased your postings are becoming?
If it makes you feel any better,...I still love Ozone, just can't afford the wait, the time, the money, the head aches of putting it all together and keeping it all running smoothly! And when they break, who refunds this money?
Oh, by the way, My Father- in- Law has metastatic, small-cell disease. His tumor markers are 800. He looks like he is actively dying. He started cesium chloride protocol last night as last resort!
Do you have any choice words for him as he is waisting away and in pain? As he is placing hope on this cesium therapy?
How do you feel about the fact he is in pain and dying a miserable death?
Now that he is desperate and scared,... Would you like to scare him more that the cesium is going to be worse that the disease that is rotting his organs as we speak?
Would you like to sell him on how cesium is worse than his disease?
Maybe you can hook him up with a 3,000 dollar ozone unit that wont be of benefit for a couple weeks! Yes, that is your position now isn't it! Oh, yes it is!
Nice work Hveragerthi! Keep it up! The lives you are costing are not your own!
Heaven has a place for people like yourself!
It's called hell!
ps. If you would like me to post more cesium studies and articles I will, but we all know you aren't interested in what they have to say! We all know you wont read them!
Selective blindness? I know a great optomitrist.
Cancer Cover-Up (Cesium Science): Cesium - A High Ph Therapy For ...
First of all Warburg NEVER claimed that cancer resulted from a lack of oxygen. He said that cancer cells ferment REGARDLESS of whether oxygen is present or not. If they cannot get that fact straight why would I believe anything else they claim?
Stop Cancer cells with Cesium using pH Therapy
Brewer Science Library--Brewer Articles
BioOne Online Journals - Rubidium Chloride and Cesium Chloride ...
ROTFLMAO!!!! SALES SITES ARE NOT EVIDENCE!!!! Did you even bother to read these links before you posted them? They all repeat each others information WORD FOR WORD!!!! What, there is no real evidence so they have to repeat each others misinformation?!!!
And did you read these from your own link?:
http://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/Liquid_Cesium_Chloride.html
Liquid Cesium Chloride and Possible Complications
American Cancer Society - Cesium Chloride and Possible Complications.
In a case report from 1984, one person described his own experiences after taking cesium chloride for 36 days. He took 3 grams of cesium chloride dissolved in fluid after his morning and evening meals, which consisted of an alternative dietary regimen. He describes an “initial general feeling of well-being and heightened sense perception,” as well as nausea, diarrhea, and tingling of his lips, hands, and feet. This case report is very different from a clinical trial involving many patients and is not helpful in deciding on a safe dose of cesium. Another person, who may be younger, older, smaller, or less healthy than this individual may not do well with this dose.
In fact, several recent case reports have described serious side effect in people with cancer taking similar doses, including life-threatening problems with heart rhythm, seizures, loss of consciousness, and electrolyte (blood chemistry) imbalances in patients who were taking cesium. Full information on the acute and chronic toxicity of this substance is not fully known. Consuming large amounts of cesium could result in nausea, diarrhea, disturbed heart rhythm, loss of consciousness, or even death. Based on results of animal studies, women who are pregnant or breast-feeding should avoid taking cesium chloride supplements. Relying on this type of treatment alone, and avoiding conventional medical care, may also have serious health consequences.
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Liquid Cesium Chloride / DMSO - Lack of Survival Studies
Unfortunately, in Dr Keith Brewer's study of all 30 patients surviving cancer, he makes no mention of how long they survived for. Also, Dr Brewer uses Liquid Cesium Chloride with other leading anti-cancer products in his studies, so it is difficult to determine whether it was the Liquid Cesium Chloride or the other components of the combined therapy that was the cause of the increased survival.
Liquid Cesium Chloride was used with other anti-cancer products in the Dr Sartori cancer therapy program as well, meaning that it is unknown whether the Liquid Cesium Chloride itself was the key ingredient in extended survival. Liquid Cesium Chloride together with DMSO, is almost always administered with Selenium, Potassium, Vitamins A, C, Zinc, and Laetrile for increased effectiveness as a COMBINED THERAPY approach. Each of these are well-known anti-cancer treatments on their own.
Dr Hans Nieper of Germany, who also advocated the use of Liquid Cesium Chlroide as well as other anti-cancer products, was well-known for not providing any follow up survival statistics, which is particularly disappointing. Although the theory of this protocol is sound and there is fair evidence that liquid cesium chloride and DMSO do what they claim, there is insufficient patient feedback or studies to indicate any survival statistics at this time.
And:
Approximately 50 % of patients with breast, colon, prostate, pancreas and lung cancer survived. Three patients were comatose when the therapy was initiated. Thirteen patients died in the first 2 weeks of therapy. Autopsy results in each of these 13 disclosed reduction in tumor mass size caused by cesium therapy. Also pain disappeared in all patients within 1 to 3 days after initiation of cesium therapy. This may have reflected decreased production of lactic acid by dying cancer cells.
That means 50% died in the short term, and no mention of how many died in the long term. Not very good odds!!! That is only 50:50 IF the other patients are still alive.
Every one here can see you have avoided one question and one point. You cannot make this point go away.
Cancer is always more dangerous than cesium chloride!
Proof of this claim? Or is this just another of your made up claims you cannot back? Let's see, prostate cancer will usually encapsulate itself if left alone and never cause any danger to the man. Yet, cesium chloride can cause heart arrhythmias and death. Oops, I guess that blows your claim.
Go on, I'm waiting for you to state this as false statement, go on say it is false! LOL
Why do you ignore this very basic fact of life?
Why do you keep making these false claims and refuse to provide any studies? After all you said there were so man out there yet you still have yet to produce one. Instead you provide SALES SITES as evidence. What a joke? Being as passionate as you are about this unproven chemical I wonder which if these sales sites it yours?
Don't you understand that dying from cancer is an ugly thing? A bad thing?
So is dying from a heart attack from an unproven chemical.
Why would you scare anyone away from this wonderful cancer therapy?
It is not a therapy unless it works. And you still have yet to provide any human studies showing it works for all cancers. You claimed that there were all sorts of studies out there, yet you have yet to provide evne one. Why is that? Do these studies you claim exist not really exist?
Funny how she was coughing up blood and calling hospice three months ago from stage IV lung cancer, ...now she has returned to work and looks as good as she did when he married her. Hmmmm! one more case history for you to ignore?
All of the links you liusted clearly stated that they were using multiple therapies. And the one link pointed out the fact that these is no way to know what really worked. This is simple common sense. So again, show some of the numerous studies you claim exist showing that it cures cancer in humans. The fact that you keep ignoring my request for studies YOU claim exist just makes me believe you even less.
Go ahead, send him an email and have him stop by curezone with an update! You obviously don't care about the truth if you haven't tried to contact him like I have asked you to do.
This is the first time I have seen you mention him. Just more misleading games. I'll wait for you to provide those studies you claim exist first. I am not interested in one or two people having success from multiple therapies where it is impossible to prove what worked. So if you are an honest person you will supply those studies you claim exist.
She would be in pain and waisting away waiting to die this morning instead of going to work! Why aren't you celebrating this miracle? Why aren't you smiling!
Who said I am not happy for him? Who said I am not smiling. You really assume a lot don't you? Such as cesium chloride kills cancer cells in humans even though there is apparently no real evidence to this claim.
I would Think a man of your inteligence would be intrigued and investigate this one case history and place as much significance with this case history as you do with ones that appear to suit your twisted and unethical attempts to scare people!
Again, a single case history is not proof. Especially when they could be using multiple therapies including a change of diet. And there is no long term follow up. We can say chemo works based on that kind of manipulated evidence. Even if the person dies a few years later because the chemo failed. So again, this is not proof. Let's see those studies you claimed exist and start from there. Again the more you ignore my request the more dishonest you look. You are the one that claimed the studies exist, not me.
Oh, I forget, you don't care about that!
I care about evidence and proof, not about unsubstantiated claims made to promote the sales of an unproven product.
After all who is it that condems traditional publications one minute and then quotes the same ones the next minute to justify your position?
LOL!!! I never condemned traditional publications. All I ever said is that we have to review the studies to make sure they were conducted properly and interpreted properly. So chalk up another one of your lies. The fact that you are so desperate to lie in an attempt to discredit me just further leads me to believe that you have no evidence to back the effectiveness of this crap. So you resort to lies and attacks in place of real evidence.
I'll tell you who! A person who can't make money off of cesium chloride but prefers expensive ozone, rife units.
I already pointed out to you that neither of these are expensive. In fact they can be built for a lot less than you can buy cesium chloride for. So chalk up another one of your lies.
Or do you just have low self esteem a narcissistic disorder and can't be wrong on anything?
Your the one that is chronically lying to make a point. I am merely asking for proof to your claims. The fact that you are resorting to lies and attacks in place of providing the studies you claim exist just goes to prove my points I already brought up.
They can see which questions you avoid and which ones you choose to answer.
Oh, I am sorry I cannot answer ever question posted on these boards. I wish I could though, then maybe you would learn something about fact based medicine.
They can see how slanted and biased your postings are becoming?
Biased only against ineffective and unproven therapies that are backed by people saying it works based on non-existant studies. I am open to learning about new therapies. I just want to see proof of their effectiveness. I am not interested in unsubstantiated claims. Nor lies and attacks in place of evidence just because the evidence does not exist.
If it makes you feel any better,...I still love Ozone, just can't afford the wait, the time, the money, the head aches of putting it all together and keeping it all running smoothly! And when they break, who refunds this money?
You can build a simple cold corona system for less than $100. The only thing that is likely to go out will be the transformer, which is so easy to replace that even you could do it. It is not a complicated device.
Oh, by the way, My Father- in- Law has metastatic, small-cell disease. His tumor markers are 800. He looks like he is actively dying. He started cesium chloride protocol last night as last resort!
Do you have any choice words for him as he is waisting away and in pain? As he is placing hope on this cesium therapy?
I wish him the best. But what if the cesium fails? Are you still going to claim it cures all cancers?
How do you feel about the fact he is in pain and dying a miserable death?
I feel bad for anyone in that position. I also feel bad that people have to be so desperate that they will reach out to use unproven therapies in place of proven therapies. Still I hope it works for him.
Now that he is desperate and scared,... Would you like to scare him more that the cesium is going to be worse that the disease that is rotting his organs as we speak?
So you think his risking a heart attack is better than possibly dying from the cancer? Death is death!!! Furthermore, you are making this way too personal. Again, supply the studies you claim exist, I will look at them and if they look valid I could change my mind. If you want to keep lying to me and about me in place of providing those studies you are just going to further convince me that you are full ot it.
Maybe you can hook him up with a 3,000 dollar ozone unit that wont be of benefit for a couple weeks! Yes, that is your position now isn't it! Oh, yes it is!
$3,000?!!! LOL!!! Even the most expensive ozone therapy units for personal use that I have see get nowhere near $3,000. Chalk up another one of your lies!!!! Boy, you are on a role with the lies!!!!
Nice work Hveragerthi! Keep it up! The lives you are costing are not your own!
Heaven has a place for people like yourself!
It's called hell!
I am not the one lying to people about an unproven therapy. If you are making money off of the sale of cesium chloride then you are a lot sleazier than I originally thought.
ps. If you would like me to post more cesium studies and articles I will, but we all know you aren't interested in what they have to say! We all know you wont read them!
You did not post any studies. You posted opinion sales sites that were repeating each other word for word. Oh, how did I know that? That's right, I read all the sites because I was interested in what you were trying to pass off as "evidence". What a joke!!!!!!!
Who is going to sponsor double blind placebo trials, toxicity trials for a product you can buy down the street?
There are only case histories, a couple clinical trials in humans. This wont cut it with FDA, they want double blind and toxicity trials.
Yet there are all sorts of studies on the effectiveness of turmeric for cancer, which can be bought at health food stores and grocery stores everywhere for about forty cents an ounce.
So don't show us your excuses, show us those many studies you claimed earlier existed.
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If the studies were ever existant, the results were destroyed to hide them from the public. This is not just true for Cesium. Cesium is too cheap, too fast, and too profit destroying.
Then why isn't the research on ozone completely destroyed. They are not only effective against cancer but also herpes, hepatitis, staph, abscesses, gangrene....... You get a unit for a few hundred dollars that will last you for years and years, and it only costs about $0.05 for oxygen and electricity per treatment. So it is actually a lot cheaper that cesium in the long run. Yet studies exist for its effectiveness.
And what about turmeric? Check all the studies on Medline for cancer alone. Turmeric is about $0.40 an ounce and it has been shown to inhibit cancer through a number of different mechanisms. Still there are all those easy to obtain studies.
So that excuse is a cop out.
I have and use an ozone generator and have been taking Curcumin for several years. I have also taken Cesium Chloride with potassium added.
All have helped improve my health as has zapping, brocolli, and green tea among many other things.
The original study done on Cesium chloride showed very low mortality and a very high survival rate for terminal cancer patients despite the purported risks. This is why the powers that be do not want studies. It is more effective than anything that they can offer. Rubidium supposedly has the same effect.
Why are there not any positive studies for Essiac Tea ?
There isn't? What about these?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18225545?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSyst...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16274521?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSyst...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16226859?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSyst...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15353028?ordinalpos=12&itool=EntrezSys...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14719086?ordinalpos=13&itool=EntrezSys...
So this brings us back to why no positive studies have been presented for cesium chloride. Especially in light of the fact that Bret claimed there were so many positive studies out there. I guess he also believes in the Easter Bunny as well.