I wouldn't take what is in those 3 links as gospel, Chris. At the very least you should do some more research.
An excellent place to start would be a video named "Eating", and the book by the same author, Mike Anderson, "The Rave Diet". http://url2it.com/bcjd This is the third addition. The book includes recipes not in previous editions.
It is a total contradiction to what you have posted. In a nutshell the message is, animal diets (saturated fats) cause disease that can be reversed by changing to a plant based diet.
Charlotte Gerson of the Gerson Institute states that most diabetes can be cured in 5 to 7 days. Severe cases maybe 2 weeks. Other doctors say the same thing.
Cancer, Lupus, MS, Parkinsons, osteoporosis, and many other diseases healed, or at least reversed by changing to a plant based diet.
Worth the $10 for the DVD, and $15 for the book just for the other side of the story.
...............but I am not a subscriber to the viewpoint that saturated fat is a major cause/contributor of Heart and Cardiovascular diseases, by elevating blood-Cholesterol levels.
You won't get any argument out of me. My post had good intentions for you, and the other forum members. I just offered additional information that you can act on, or not.
The author I offered gives scores of references to everything he says. In fact the book sometimes each page has a half page of references to back what he says, and the video contains doctors who rejected 4 or 5 other doctors to cure themselves following the Plant based diet.
There is much more to cholestrol, and other fats than heart disease, although that is covered as well. Just about every disease from Cancer to Osteoporosis, and everything in between has been shown to be cured, or reversed with the 100% plant diet .
It's all there if you wish to find out about it.
All the best
Do yourself a favor, and at least get the $10 DVD. I bought the book also because it has recipes.
You will be surprised. It isn't only fat from Meat, but milk, eggs, cheese, and vegetable oils, including coconut, and Olive oils as well.
I am trying to get off those, as I have been a vegetarian since the 60's.
Saturated fat is good for you, eggs are good for you, sun exposure is good for you . . . my how the myths have fallen, huh?
It reminds me of the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper", where Woody's character awakens from being cyrogenically frozen and is amazed to find out that chocolate is good for you after all - which was meant to be a joke, but has also been proven to be true as well in recent years (just avoid the high sugar chocolates and go with dark chocolate).
All the best,
I also came across some info talking about how vegetarian/vegan diets can potentially lead to cancer, diabetes, and heart disease as well. It was because of the amount of fiber and the high carbs. The papers mentioned how the high carbs (sugar) can promote bacterial/yeast overgrowth and the overgrowth then further feeds on the fibers. This leads to bowel problems and eventually disease and cancers. Diabetes results from the high blood sugar causing high insulin levels and eventually insulin resistance and pancreatic failure. High carbs raise triglycerides and lower HDL cholesterol, leading to heart disease. After learning of this, it makes me wonder who is really behind all the promotion of vegetarian diets.
You didn't offer any link to this info, much of which is in direct conflict to what I posted. I would like to read this info, can you provide a link? Thanks.
Every vegan I know of in "real life" gets B12 shots to avoid a deficit. What happens if someone's illness causes or is caused by a deficit in these nutrients, and they take up a vegan diet?
Go to the bottom of the page and all the health-related info is there. I disagree with much of what this guy has to say, but there you go. There are others also.
I was hoping for a quote, followed by a specific link. I'm not going to read through 15 or 20 links on some religious dogma site. Thanks anyway. I was skeptical that you could provide anything to begin with.
You mentioned you've been a vegetarian since the 60s. Did you use supplements such as the one you linked to get around the B12 issue? What's your opinion on B12 analogs?
I have been a Lacto Ovo vegetarian until recently where I am in the process of trying to make the transition away from dairy, and eggs. I also take supplements like C, D, and a few others including digestive enzymes, etc. I would do the same on a meat diet if that were the case.
I take it you are referring to the blocking of B12 eating a vegetarian diet. If so according to what I read the sublingal approach is the answer as it bypasses the digestive system and goes directly into the blood stream.
Supposedly as good as injections.
The word “sublingual” literally means “under the tongue.” It refers to a method of administering substances in the mouth so that they can be rapidly absorbed into the blood vessels. The substance is absorbed through the buccal mucosa and into the sublingual vein where it has direct access to the blood circulation and is then carried throughout the whole body. Medical science has been using this method for years in the administration of cardiovascular drugs, steroids, and some barbiturates. The sublingual method has been life-saving for individuals who have had to rely on its speed and efficiency during times of critical emergency.
When the B-12 vitamin enters your body in the stomach (through food or oral pills), acids in the stomach separate the B-12 from its protein source. It then must combine with intrinsic factor cells in the stomach. This B-12/intrinsic factor complex travels to your intestine, where it is absorbed in the terminal ileum. The absorbed complex is then transported via blood plasma and stored in the liver.
The interruption of any of these steps affects your body’s ability to absorb B-12. Here is a list of common interruptions to B-12 absorption:
Insight I think you have the right idea.
Leafy greens are great but just because they are a good thing doesn't mean you should eat them at the exclusion of everything else.
If you haven't read the works of Dr Bass, you might find them interesting.
In Search of the Ultimate Vegetarian Diet
Vegan rats die early and have low energy
So you were a fruitarian, and a raw vegan, and finally came to the conclusion that those diets will cause deficiencies?
Actually this is quite a common route. Many vegans (who are not cheating) have through their own experiences come to the same conclusion.
Here is an typical example from Arnold DeVries book "The Elixir of Life":
"The late Mahatma Gandhi devoted much of his life to the advocacy of strict vegetarian diet, and for years he experimented on his own body to find a suitable selection of plant foods on which to sustain health.
But all attempts were failures. In 1929, Gandhi and 22 companions went on a diet consisting of a limited selection of uncooked plant foods. Whereas the diet worked out well for a time and led to marked improvement in consumptive cases, it failed to prove adequate on a long-range sustenance basis. One by one Gandhi's companions were forced to depart from the diet, and Gandhi himself had to add goat milk to his fare in order to regain health.
"For my companions I have been a blind guide leading the blind," declared Gandhi after the experiment was over. Gandhi still felt, however, that "the hidden possibilities of the innumerable seeds, leaves and fruits" of the earth could be explored and found to provide mankind with adequate nourishment. He never stopped trying to experiment along these lines, but he always had to turn back to goat milk to regain his strength.
In the end he had to acknowledge the necessity for animal food. In 1946 he declared: "The crores of India today get neither milk nor ghee nor butter, nor even buttermilk. No wonder that mortality figures are on the increase and there is a lack of energy in the people. It would appear as if man is really unable to sustain life without either meat or milk and milk products. Anyone who deceives people in this regard or countenances the fraud is an enemy of India."
These are strong words from a man who devoted most of his life to the search for a satisfactory vegetarian diet. But Gandhi's experience is not unique in the field of nutrition. Many others have also gone through the experience of believing that man could thrive exclusively upon a limited selection of uncooked plant foods, only to find in the end that animal products were necessary for sustenance.
Note that Arnold DeVries himself started out as a convinced fruitarian, but in the end became a strong supporter of Weston-Price theories.