Nice, but not convincing. Actually people have used ultrasound to observeGallstones prior to and their absence after a flush. There is evidence for that:
Savage, A. P., O'Brien, T. and Lamont, P. M. (1992), Case report. Adjuvant herbal treatment for gallstones. British Journal of Surgery, 79: 168. doi: 10.1002/bjs.1800790224
Ultrasound confirmed multiple gallstones, but after waiting months for a surgical option, the patient underwent a treatment with olive oil and lemon juice, resulting in the passage of four 2.5 cm by 1.25 cm stones and twenty pea-sized stones. Two years later symptoms returned, and ultrasound showed a single large gallstone; the patient chose to have this removed surgically.
Have you read the actual article to see what these "stones" were? What did the analysis show? How do they know that she did not have pseudolithiasis (false gallstones) that are indistinguishable from real gallstones with ultrasound but can disappear on their own as in these cases:
This is why actual analysis is important to confirm they were real gallstones. But when these so-called stones do get analyzed guess what? Yep, they are found to be formed from olive oil!!! This article discusses what I am talking about:
A 40-year-old woman with multiple 1- to 2-mm gallstones documented by ultrasound underwent a "liver cleansing" regimen at the advice of an herbalist. The regimen consisted of free intake of apple and vegetable juice until , but no food, followed by consumption of 600 ml of olive oil and 300 ml of lemon juice over several hours. Early the next morning, multiple semi-solid green "stones" were passed per rectum. Analysis of the stones revealed that they contained no cholesterol, bilirubin, or calcium, but were made up of 75% fatty acids. Experimentation revealed that mixing equal volumes of oleic acid (the main component of olive oil) and lemon juice produced semi-solid white balls after the addition of a small amount of potassium hydroxide. The authors concluded that the green "stones" passed by this woman resulted from the action of gastric lipases on the triglycerides that make up olive oil, yielding long-chain carboxylic acids (mainly oleic acid). This process was followed by saponification into large insoluble micelles of potassium carboxylates (lemon juice contains a high concentration of potassium) or "soap stones." The cholesterol stones observed on ultrasound were removed surgically.
Comment: Variations of the regimen described above are frequently mentioned by herbalists and nutritionists as a method of promoting the passage of gallstones. Some patients claim to have passed numerous gallstones after undergoing a "gallbladder flush" similar to this one. None of the patients, however, had their "stones" analyzed, and none had before-and-after gallbladder sonograms to document the passage of gallstones. Thus, it appears that most or all of these patients were merely passing "soap stones." The gallbladder flush may not be entirely worthless, however; there is one case report in which treatment with olive oil and lemon juice resulted in the passage of numerous gallstones, as demonstrated by ultrasound examination (Br J Surg 1992;79:168).
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So again, were the "stones" actually analyzed and confirmed as being REAL gallstones, or were they simply assumed to be gallstones? Just the word "stones" can be a number of things.
Because I have read repeatedly that the people who have problems with gall stones once are likely to have the same problems again.
Yes, if the cause is not addressed. But again as slow as they grow this means that the stone was present at the time of the flush and never came out.
I also find it pretty interesting that IF she really thought the flush helped her, and since the risk of future stones was there then why wouldn't she have continued with the flushes? And if she did continue and they really worked then how did she end up with such as large gallstone since the flushes are supposed to shrink and expel real stones? Again proof the flushes are BOGUS!!!!! Maybe she got wise and had the things analyzed thereby discovering that the flushes do not work. So she did not continue with the flushes and opted for the surgery.
Your just making assumptions. I would guess the flush was an unpleasant experience and most people will avoid those even if they help them.
You would guess? This is not proof of anything.
Just like people here keep assuming that the pseudostones being produced in the intestines are real gallstones even though repeated analysis of these olive oil blobs have proven otherwise.
Nobody claims that one flush will get out all stones, also nobody claims that a flush will soften stones afaik.
Read Lisa Marie's link about the doctor.
Malic acid etc. are supposed to soften stones.
Supposed to is also an assumption and not proof. So even the doctor was not sure that these flushes really work.
Why do you always use bold typing?
To separate my quotes from what I am responding to. It is easier than typing things like "<<<<" or finding a color to use each time to separate the different quotes.
It doesn't really matter if the "stones" are Gallstones or not.
Actually it does since this is the basis for the whole "flush" hypothesis.
Apart from that, the way that you capitalize words, use numerous exclamation marks
Its called emphasis. It is done to call attention particularly to the point so people skimming over the post will not miss it.
Yeah same attitude, you're here to prove that you're smarter than others
I am not trying to prove that I am smarter than anyone. I am merely pointing out what I know to be false. If you told someone that it was safe to play in the middle of the freeway and I said it was not since I know that it is not safe for a fact would I be trying to prove I am smarter than you? No. I am worried about people's safety.
How do you know the flush cannot remove big gallstones?
How do you know they can? Being that so many of the so-called "stones are much larger than the ducts can possibly expand this is pretty solid evidence. On top of that lab analyses have proven that what people are passing ARE NOT real gallstones. They are saponified olive oil and sterol-cholesterol complexes. This also explains why their shape, texture, color, etc. are not consistent with real gallstones.