Thanks L but I wanna give Dusan a shot at seeing this and creating the forum. That way it could be searchable and indexed by Google so folks looking to an outlet to share regarding OWS could find it. It might come to having to go with Trapman, we'll see. Let's give it a little time. I'm sure Dusan is sick of all the BS and whinners that come to this forum and prolly only checks it one in a while ;+D