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Re: If you are sick, you need to cast out the demons.
 
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Re: If you are sick, you need to cast out the demons.


You are misinterpreting what I'm saying, the same as you say I am about what you are saying.
First of all I never said someone that has demons is lower than anyone else.
Second of all, I never said all truth came through illness.

What I did say, is that God uses illness for all kinds of purposes. And that is biblical!


You said, "If those people you mentioned where with Jesus back in the day, he would have healed them".

What do you say about this passage?:

Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed. Simon and his companions went to look for him, and when they found him, they exclaimed: ‘Everyone is looking for you!’ Jesus replied, ‘Let us go somewhere else — to the nearby villages — so I can preach there also. That is why I have come.’ Mark 1:35-39

"Although it was still early in the morning, crowds of disabled and sick people came to Capernaum to find Jesus. He wasn’t there. He was up in the hills praying. When the disciples found him, Jesus refused to meet with the crowd; he simply said, “Let’s go somewhere else. Let’s go to other villages so I can preach in those places for this is why I have come.” It’s not that Jesus didn’t care about the cancer-ridden people, or the blind or the disabled; it’s just that their illnesses weren’t his focus. The Gospel was. His message was: God is holy and you are not… he is just, your soul is in risk of hell, but the Father sent me to show his love… now believe in me and you will be saved. Whenever people miss this – whenever they started coming to him to have their pains and problems removed – the Savior backed away."
Joni Eareckson Tada

Jesus healed a lot of people while He was on this earth, but his purpose in that wasn't just to fix all the temporary suffering. Yes, those people that were healed greatly benefited and were relieved of at least some of their temporary suffering in their life, but Jesus's main purpose in their healings was to show He was God, and to have people repent of their sins and be saved!


You also said if someone isn't healed, it's not their fault, but the person praying for them is at fault, their unbelief. You go ahead believing that people have that much power over God. I believe God can do whatever He wants to despite anyone else. If He wants me to be healed, I'll be healed. My healing isn't dependent on if anyone else has enough faith.

Also, your belief system does not hold up to these scriptures, and so many others:

2 Corinthians 4:7
7But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. 8We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death is at work in us, but life in you.

13Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak, 14knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence. 15For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.

16So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, 18as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.


He says our outer self is wasting away, and they are afflicted! But that this is preparing them for an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison!

That would make no sense if God's purpose was for all Christians was to be perfectly well in body, perfectly healthy, with no afflictions.
Paul in another passage talks about being beaten, sleepless nights, being cold and hungry, barely escaping death.

Yet, God wants us to have no afflictions? But yet, he says those that will be with Christ for eternity, will suffer!

Romans 8:17
17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

James 1:2
2Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, 3for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. 4And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

What could that mean, trials of various kinds? That can't include illness and disabilities?

But yet some of the apostles and many other people in the bible that were God's children, suffered from illness.

This is where we are now:

Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we await for it with patience.

26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.


We are still in the "not yet", still hoping, and this is part of that hope:

Revelation 21:4
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

A challenge for you is to do research about these preachers in these type of "healing ministries. Find out how they died and how their children and spouses died. You'll find often they died of a chronic illness, or their children or spouses did. Or they may have died of a heart attack, or whatever else showing they still had illness of some kind in the body.

I don't think I have a bad attitude about this, just a desire to stand up against the lies.











 

 
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