I use gold coin grass ( I'm doing it right now) and I find it works great. I've used three bottles over the last two years and just started a fourth last week. I also use her chinese bitters and when I finally get all the Gallstones out I plan on making it a regular part of my regime. Have you tried the coptis? Yuk. Anyone who uses that won't complain about the taste of the oo & grapefruit or the Epsom Salts .