Basically I do the exact same proportions of Vodka and Apple Cider Vinegar as Shultze recommends but just use the leaves instead of the pods and seeds. I've been cautious with my experimentation with it and am working up the dose. So far I can take two to three dropperfuls without too much effect. This is why I think it may not be as potent as the seeds from what I've heard said about Lobelia tincture in other places.