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Published: 19 years ago
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Greetings Ready2Rapture,

I notice that you never directly address Isaiah 24 or 28, but instead switch to other tangents.

Do you not understand the purposes of these laws you love so much? Does God just pick rules and rituals out of a hat? No, the laws he instituted for Israel serve many purposes. Not just one (to be a sign) but many.

What the purpose of the laws is not the subject at hand. The subject at hand is a religion who has done away with/transgressed the laws, changed the ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant. It is irrelevant of what these three items's purposes were for, the false religion does these things to them.

FROM YOU:The most important purpose, as I stated earlier, is to show people how completely incapable they are to keep God's laws perfectly.

FROM G-D:Deuteronomy 30:9
And the L-RD thy G-d will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the L-RD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:

Deuteronomy 30:10
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the L-RD thy G-d, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, [and] if thou turn unto the L-RD thy G-d with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

Deuteronomy 30:11
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it [is] not hidden from thee, neither [is] it far off.

Deuteronomy 30:12
It [is] not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

Deuteronomy 30:13
Neither [is] it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

Deuteronomy 30:14
But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

You have no answer for Isaiah 53, which in one breath speaks of the Messiah being both a conquering King and a suffering Servant. You also have no answer for Micah's assertion that the Messiah both preceded and followed David.

Micah 5 does not assert that messiah preceded and followed David, all Hebrew speakers and indeed even most Christian translations know that word to mean "origin".

Isaiah 53's servant has never been thought of as being about the messiah to Jews. They see Isaiah 53 as a parallel to Psalms 44 and the speaker in the beginning of Isaiah 53 is the stunned kings/nations who have just seen the arm of the L-rd bare to Israel(see Isaiah 52:9-10,15).

Jesus, in the NT storyline was perhaps the most popular guy to ever walk the earth. The only people in the story who did not like him were the chief priests and Pharisees, and even many of them liked Jesus(John 12:42). The Pharisees could not get their own officers to arrest Jesus because they liked him so much(John 7:45). Even when Jesus went to the cross in the story, where the despisement and rejection is suppose to be greatest, we see a great MULTITUDE and women followed because they loved him(Luke23:27). Even in the Barabbas scene, the crowd had to be goaded into picking Barabbas. Had they picked Jesus in the story instead, I would not describe Barabbas as the despised and rejected of men by any stretch.

Jesus grew up strong, not tender(Luke 1:80,2:40)

No one hid their face from Jesus.

Jesus opened his mouth plenty according to John.

Jesus made his grave with the rich and his death with the wicked, just the exact opposite of the servant of Isaiah 53.

Jesus was violent to non-swimming swine, little fig trees, and money changers, not to mention Luke 19:27.

And as a supposed eternal deity, what use would Jesus have with a prolonged lifespan and a portion with the great and sharing spoil with the strong?

I addressed most of your points, care to try to address Isaiah 24 and 28?



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