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Who fits the descriptions?
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Published: 19 years ago
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Who fits the descriptions?

Hi Ready2Rapture

You have "addressed" nothing.

I respond to most points you have made, I did not see one response from you in relation to Isaiah 24 or 28 in your last post.

The verses you quoted did not support the point you were trying to make.

Which verses, which points. I should like to know and know why so as to correct anything I have wrong. Blanket generalities tell me there might be nothing to your claim.

I've twice explained how Micah shows the fact that the Messiah both precedes and follows David,

This is because you labor under a false idea that the word "mowtsaah" does not mean origin. Your own NET Bible disagrees with you and agrees with me.

and you STILL can't explain Isaiah 53.

See my last post, I explained some to which there is no response (again) from you. Isaiah servant is Israel. Psalms 44 explains Isaiah 53 very well as do others.

It appears that we are unable to communicate. Rather than going off on a tangent, it seems to annoy you that I keep striking at the root of the problem: You are bent on blaming Jesus for breaking the laws when the subject is clearly the whole nation of Israel.

Are you finally addressing Isaiah 24 and 28 here? Good. Of course the whole nation of Israel has not be together since Solomon and will not come together until the great day of Jezreel and Ez 37 come to pass. Isaiah 28 identifies the false religion as belonging to Ephraim or the 10 northern tribes, i.e. the house of Israel. Jews are not of the house of Israel, they are the house of Judah. What world wide religion fits all of the descriptions to a "t"?

The righteous remnant of Israel, who I believe to be the house of Judah who came back from Babylon, do not fit the descriptions of Isaiah 24 and 28 at all. They fit Isaiah 53 and are spoken of in Zephaniah 3:13
The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make [them] afraid.

Another interesting verse about the house of Judah, i.e. Jews is found in this verse about the end times and speaks perhaps of the 10 northern tribes.

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the L-RD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] G-d [is] with you.

Indeed here is a verse which is at odds with Christianity:
Jeremiah 16:19
O L-RD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and [things] wherein [there is] no profit.

I don't debate just for debate's sake, I do it to try to convince others to become Christians.

I debate to find truth as my #1 goal. If truth is secondary as it is in your case the chance of being incorrect increases greatly.

There is a time to keep probing, and a time to realize when you're wasting your time. I believe you are completely unwilling to even consider the possibility that Jesus is the Messiah, so I'll leave you alone now.

That is find, I am not forcing you to address anything you don't want to. I have had a hard time with Isaiah 24 and 28 in getting people to take it on directly. Only one or two in four years have tried to. Hopefully someone else will.

BTW, I used to be a Christian to your last claim is clearly incorrect.


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