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Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?
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Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?

From: "barry91162"
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:52:55 -0000
Subject: [gallstones] Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?


Thanks for that large answer on bile but I don't think you answered
my questions. haha

A couple of notes..

Except maybe for the part about bile being water soluble and not
forming into balls. Aren't balls or stones formed by bile witin the
body when water is removed from it? Gallstones seem to be made this
way within the gallbladder.

Also, how can we really be sure what the internal labratory of the
human body does with bile when it is removed in the methods of an
excellerated oil induced flush after fasting? Balls or stones that
are removed in a flush cannot be tested or duplicated in a lab
because the process within the human body is unmatchable and
untestable. We can speculate on a lot of actions but with all that is
processed in the human body it is impossible to duplicate.

In other words. Stones are not soap balls. Bile is not soap balls.
Cholesterol in not in olive oil. But what happens to bile in the
intestinal tract? Bile will normally exit with stool in a 'un-ball'
form because of regular intestinal processing. Bile that is forced to
exit while fasting (and introducing a motivator like oil) will exit
depicted of water because of fasting, etc. Will this form soft balls
of greenish throughout bile depicted of some amounts of water to
create it's form? Or will some other factors of the fast or flush,
including the oil, change the bile into the form we see eliminated?
Even though this is not testable because of the hundreds of other
factors of the human body, some factors can be deduced to reach
conclusions for or against the results created. For instance, those
balls can be tested for bile, oil, water content, but they can never
be tested for formation without the hundreds of other factors
introduced within the digestive tract of the human body.

The hundreds of globs, balls, or what some people call 'stones, are
they not just the regular bodily bile only in another altered form?
We know Gallstones are definitely another form of bile that is
unnhealthy. Can't this bile we are seeing in a flush actually exit in
the regular way, in the regular form, without the fasting and
excellerated method of the cleanse? Slower perhaps but as long as the
bile is healthy it will not pose a problem left to it's own normal

Gallstones that cause colic pain and that have hardened within the
gallbladder is in my opinion the only form of bile that should be
termed as 'gallstones'. The soft balls of whatever bile content,
cholesterol, or even oil for that matter, does not usually require an
excellerated means of exiting as with the process of a flush. It will
not usually cause a problem and will generally exit within the normal
fucntion of digestive action.

Hard gallstones and soft balls of bile (what many people are calling
stones) in whatever context and content form are two different
animals altogether and should be studied and treated as such. The
differences are many and should be analized so that the problems of
each can be properly corrected.

We can only speculate what is happening to the bile within the human
body because the test we make outside of it are always inconclusive
do to our limited processes of testing in labs that are in no way
near or comparable to the miracles and vastness of the human
processing plant of our digsetive tract system. Ingredients can
always be tested but true 'processing' cannot.

Just some thoughts on Stones vs. Balls.


--- In gallstones@y..., "Dale Williams" wrote:
> Wow! I'm a little taken on reading this one, Barry, but I'll try to
> some of your questions as well as hopefully correct some statements.
> First lets take note of just what bile is and how it's made. Bile
> of water, bile salts, cholesterol, bile pigments, lecithin, lipids
> electrolytes. Then too bile salts are made by the liver cells from
> cholesterol that either comes directly from foods eaten or the
> synthesized dureing the fat metabolism. In the case of Olive-Oil
it's going
> to be synthesized from its fatty structure because of the fact that
> Oil contains no cholesterol.

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